Why do we keep paying exorbitant prices for proprietary storage?
Like the author, I also kept my 20gb Xbox hard drive for years before I just upgraded to the new 360 (for only slightly more than a big hard drive would cost). The price they charge for this stuff is bananas.
piracy is bad for gamers...
we have been dealing with proprietary storage for games since the 2600. Cartridges, HuCards, Discs....its all proprietary. Its what keeps one game from playing on another system. Even the use of DVD as a storage medium could be considered proprietary when you look at the security measures and programming. HDD, Flash, USB...these are nothing more than the physical designs of a continued existence for proprietary storage. The next game system to come out will not change that. There has to be some rules set in place to differentiate one from another. Regardless of similarities in a format, you just have to deal with the designs that keep things in check.
Yes, piracy is bad for ganmers, but "proprietary" storage doesn't prevent piracy and neither does having stricter laws. I believe in the right of private companies to price their product as they please, but for consumers to think it prevents privacy is ludicrous when it comes to memory cards/storage formats. It never did on the Nintendo DS and didn't do it on PSP. Just two examples. Piracy is a value proposition problem and that is now shifting in favor of game developers with online game modes. Less so on handhelds though.
Before the Xbox 360 you also had overpriced memory cards. It has always been overpriced unfortunately.
these are specialty products. They do not fall into the classification as just any regular SD card or memory stick. Sony has always had proprietary memory devices even back to the PS1. Nintendo has them for the N64 and gamecube. MS has them for the original Xbox and 360. Even the PSP had expensive (to start) MSPDuo but over time there were 3rd party cards that worked and were cheaper. Chances are there will be some Sandisk Branded Vita cards sooner or later.
Actually back in the day, Sony was among the worst offender of proprietary formats. Remember when it was a big deal that Sony portable digital music players started supporting MP3? What about memory stick and their use in every Sony device? Sony has a long history (not the only one of course) of attempting to profit from locked in proprietary formats. However, I was surprised about the openness of the PS3 and thought maybe Stringer finally steered the company in the right direction.... Since the memory card is a requirement and therefore a necessity on the PS Vita, I hope there will be third party providers. Unfortunately, like MS, Sony can invoke the DMCA on any third party provider that isn't licensed which will keep prices high.
So instead of looking at what darth has put right in front of you in multiple- that everyone has had them, and that they were always more expensive than they should have been due to them being specialty items AND being some sort of measure against piracy (whether it works forever or not is irrelevant; only that it works for some significant measure of time- like with the PS3- counts)- you keep looking at the price being too high, and seem to want to point out ONLY Sony as having done that. Is there a single unbiased bone in your body, or do you wake up mumbling "Screw Sony," as you rub the sleep from your eyes? Edit: I didn't ignore it. Your mention of MS was at the very end of your comment, in TWO WORDS, as if that somehow gives them even time in the spotlight, the way you spent the entire post lambasting Sony. Disc size is less of any issue on PS3- after all, you can still burn as BluRay- when it came to preventing piracy. What played a more central role was the necessity of firmware updates that locked out previously discovered exploits. THAT was based on the HDD, not the disc, and those could be from any brand. Memory cards for the Vita will be more like the HDD for the PS3- which I mentioned above- whereas the Vita's games, themselves would be analogous to the PS3's games. Sony IS my favorite brand, thanks for noticing. But I'll be picking up a Wii sometime next year for Xenoblade Chronicles(and hopefully the rest of Operation Rainfall) as well as Fragile Dreams: Farewell Ruins of the Moon, and I'll have to get a 360 eventually for Lost Odyssey- which I already own, despite not owning a system- and a few other games. You see, while I may prefer Sony, what I prefer even more is great games... which may be part of why I prefer Sony. But it also means I know how to value games on other systems, too. My eyes, gamingtroll, are pretty wide open. How well can YOU see?
Wow... talk about ignoring what I said. ***being some sort of measure against piracy (whether it works forever or not is irrelevant; only that it works for some significant measure of time- like with the PS3- counts)- you keep looking at the price being too high, and seem to want to point out ONLY Sony as having done that.*** I do mention MS, but as you already ignored it. Pointing it out again ain't going to make a difference: "Unfortunately, like MS, Sony can invoke the DMCA on any third party provider that isn't licensed which will keep prices high." ... but hey, all you saw was "attack on my favorite company, Sony!" That's okay, fanboys tend to do that. ***AND being some sort of measure against piracy (whether it works forever or not is irrelevant; only that it works for some significant measure of time- like with the PS3- counts)- *** The reason why it worked on the PS3 was because there is no alternative with that disc size. However, technically speaking it was other security measured that prevented it from happening, not the disc in the first place. Memory card doesn't have that issue at all, an adapter will be made available shortly. It will be just like the DS. ***Is there a single unbiased bone in your body, or do you wake up mumbling "Screw Sony," as you rub the sleep from your eyes?*** No, it's just you whom wake up with Sony goggles on. Take them off and you will see better.
Proprietary anything is generally always better quality (controllers, batteries, etc). I bought a 3rd party made in china hard drive on ebay for my 360 for $50 and it lasted a whole 6 months before dying.
I'd like to go all-cloud or even SD.
SD as in Secure Digital cards? If you go all cloud, you will require an always on internet connection. Unless AT&T and the likes are lowering their wireless internet plans, I ain't buying it. I like the idea of cloud though.
i like how the opinion piece is only pointed towards the Vita but not the 360 for where it is posted
I like how you are trying to pretend that over the last 6 years there hasn't been a single article that pointed towards xbox 360 about this issue. Don't be retarded, you don't always have to go pointing at other companies that do the same thing whenever the company you worship gets a negative article written about them. Do you honestly want to bring up a 6 year old console each time somebody has a problem with a console that is yet to release? But bu bu but Microsoft does it too! Grow up.
why not post this opinion piece in the 360 section too thats what i was saying maybe you should learn how to read since i said its only posted for the Vita section
The author calls out Microsoft in the fifth sentence! Before he even mentions Sony!
I don't mind paying more since Sony's cards make it easily copy or move copyright protected videos.
How come NO ONE makes a big deal over the insanely over priced proprietary 360 harddrives but when Sony does this its the end of the world? I understand the article is about the 360 too but it was never brought up before the Vita.
Same reason no one is bringing up the fact Xbox 360 is now a general media centre, which the PS3 was criticised for. Sony, for the media, can do no right. Microsoft can do no wrong. Personally, proprietary anything is as ridiculous as region locks on games. It's just not needed. Hell, even if Sony allowed us to use a Memory Stick from the PSP alongside the Vita cards, at least on the first revision of the Vita, it would at least give people a chance to get cheap storage to actually take advantage of the download side of things.
maybe not so much a crisis but still there was practically the first year (maybe year and half) where people didnt know how to view the PS3. Even Sony didnt quite know how to market it. Media hub, Bluray player, Game console... The 360 is a game console so all the media stuff they been adding to make it a media center (despite poor windows media center support) is getting attention. Its a game console that does more than play games is how people are seeing it. The PS3 is the same as well but perception is key and if sony didnt know the right angle to market it....consumers were just going to be confused. I am generalizing the average consumer. Everyone that knows anything about sony and the PS brand didnt fall into that generalization.
What are you talking about? There were plenty of *crying* when the Xbox 360 had overpriced accessories. That is all I heard! Heck, there are plenty of articles/videos showing you how to make your own hard drive and get it cheaper. If anything, it seems this overpriced memory card for PS Vita has barely received any coverage and will be forgotten in two months time.
"How come NO ONE makes a big deal over the insanely over priced proprietary 360 harddrives" What world do you live in? Just type "Xbox 360" and "hard drive or HDD" in the search above then come back and say that. Or you can just google it, and google "DOH!" while you'r at it. You been smokin too much. Too bad you can't edit that comment now.
There'll be cheap knockoffs in no time.
*cough china *cough
I think those cards are already made in China. lol! XD Then again what isn't these days... ^^;;
Unfortunitly, you usually get what you pay for.
proprietary is needed for the average dumb consumer trying play games that require class 6-10 cards on cheap class 2 cards and they wonder why their games arent playing correctly/laggy if you know wat ur doing be smart and get a high class micro sdhc and wait for the vita memory card adapter
Thank these so called gaming "journalist" in the U.S for that mindset. 1. Pay a monthly subscription just to play games online. 2. The only HDD's you can buy on xbox are Microsofts which are overpriced. 3. Controllers that come with AA batteries. A: Either keep buying AA batteries B: Buy a recharger 4. For like the first 4 years of this gen in order to have wi-fi on your xbox you need to purchase this $100 add-on. 5. In order to watch HD movies on your disk drive you have to buy the HD-DVD add-on. Anybody remember the original Xbox....if you wanted to watch dvd movies on it you had to purchase this $20 add-on piece just to unlock it to watch dvd movies. Yeah so why does nobody criticize MS for these things?
there has been plenty of criticism over the 360 direction for accessories. In time prices have come down. So has the level of consumer anger. They arent free but still things are cheaper 5 years after than they once were.
Yeah,right.Do you actually believe that argument?
The 4GB card for Xbox 360 costs 10-15$ more than Vita's 4GB card at launch. :-/ And if you're a PS+ subscriber, Vita can backup games and saves to the PS3 while you sleep. Sony Media manager for PC is also free, but then you will probably have to hook it up to the PC manually. So it's not a big deal, using a small card.
to be honest, it is usually the name branded stuff (nintendo, sony, microsoft) that will command a higher price than a 3rd parties. Sandisk is the company behind the 360 USB flash drives. They even make the Wii branded SD cards for Nintendo and they cost more than their own SD cards. It just shows you pay more for the name. Sony can get away with charging whatever because they are the mfg of the format but it will get even cheaper if they license it out to other companies (like sandisk).
Because all of the talk of mega overpriced xbox accessories was back in 2005 when it was fresh and new. A quick Google search would show you this information, but I sense the tinfoil hat is strong on this one.
They are still over priced or in fact should be included.Paying to play online is absurd.
Why do so many people always put the word "journalist" in quotations?
Never say the media bitching about the Xbox 360 HDDs as much as they are about Vita.
It doesn't matter which console it is, the accessories are always over-priced. Both Sony and Microsoft are guilty of this, but Sony in general is terrible for proprietary storage. I'm an hobby photographer with DSLR equipment, but I also have a high-end Sony point and shoot. I have tons of SDHD cards, Sony insists on using Memory Stick Pro Duo cards, which are really expensive, comparatively.
Every other article is talking about this :( I've come to terms with the price of the cards, which is ten dollars more than i expected to pay, so i'm not going to die. The price of the accessories are surprisingly reasonable. My only problem with proprietary is being unable to put it directly into the computer.
I pretty much bought a slim because I couldn't stomach paying 130 bucks for 250 gig HD, that and I really wanted HDMI and less RROD fear.
@gamingdroid - memory card is not a requirement for all games, as PS Vita games hav a writeable part of the Game card thats used for game saves/dlc.
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