Top
120°

Exploiting Kinect's Potential

While conceived as a device meant to expand the reach of Microsoft's Xbox 360 gaming platform by allowing people to play video games without the need for controllers, the Kinect has always been destined for a broader future.

Mr Hull said they're already looking at creating kiosks that would allow people to have their bodies scanned and then try on digital clothes and accessories in real time. The live feed from Kinect would allow customers to see themselves wearing and moving in the clothing and accessories. It would also allow for very precise measurements, which could be stored and used from home to order clothing that customers could be sure would fit.

The story is too old to be commented.
darthv722100d ago

the kinect found its way onto consoles as a way to get the idea of gesture control more widespread. MS had been working with gesture control on PC's for many years and the diverse range of applications it could be used in but the issue was price.

What better way to promote the idea than by making it work on the simplest of systems. A game console. This brings to the front the future possibilities the device holds because everyday people using it to control games and their console would be as inclined to do the same on their PC if the opportunity presented itself.

It looks like that opportunity is coming sooner rather than later. Imagine TV makers incorporating gesture controls for changing channels and volume. No more losing the remote so to speak. It may have started out funny in the sense to mock people but the more people use it the less mocking and more opportunities arise.

It has been said the limits of this product are restricted by the imagination. We have already seen some rather interesting uses for it on the hacker/indie PC side. Now with official support from MS I cant even begin to imagine what we will see next.

StrongMan2100d ago

That's all well and good, but what about games?

darthv722099d ago

even with the games out and the potential for more compelling games as developers find ways to use it. It would still be criticized on a gaming platform.

This is because of the 30 year history of the way we play. It has always been about the buttons and the dpad/joystick. To think gaming would stay that way for the next 30 years is crazy.

We can evolve the images on screen but at some point we would need to evolve the way we play. Some would argue that this is not the time. Then again, when is there ever a perfect time for something to change things up?

Many devices were ahead of their time and failed because the market wasnt ready but when the market is ready there is something else. Kinect has games. Pure and simple. How they appeal to people is obviously different.

ApplEaglElephant2099d ago (Edited 2099d ago )

Kinect was MS's gateway to casual gold mine. Nothing more and nothing less. Strictly Business.

And if you ever used Kinect, Kinect is nothing like you describe. You say there is no limit, but that is not true. We see the biggest limits on every kinect game. Inaccuracy, Lag/Delay, Low Resolution, Glitches. A lot of people jumped on it to soon be disappointed due to these problems.

Also, its not that market "wasnt ready". That is baseless and completely untrue. Market was ripe for new motion control. with Wii and all. The technology wasnt ready.

@FredEffingChopin
I completely agree. I would have understood these kind of talk before Kinect was released and hyped, but its been a freaking year.

I mean "The magic potential could happen any minute.". For freaking real?

The entire gaming community has reached the general consensus. Even the ones who were excited about Kinect has turned away from it.

gamingdroid2099d ago (Edited 2099d ago )

That is actually incorrect on so many ways.

Remember when people said FPS couldn't be made on pads? It wasn't accurate enough was the claim.

Yet, 10-years later it is the defacto standard now.

You know why? Because developers figured out how to compensate for the lack of accuracy. That took like what, ten years to migrate? So why do you expect all that to happen in a year all of a sudden?

All the naysayers are probably the same people that would have claimed the pad would never replace the keyboard and mouse ten years ago. Ten years from now, we will look at all the idiotic naysayers. Hindsight is 20/20!

There has already been some great games released for Kinect that almost impossible to replicate the experience, such as Kinect Sport, Dance Central and Fruit Ninja Kinect. So it has more than proven itself as a gaming device even if it doesn't suit your taste.

ApplEaglElephant2099d ago

Accuracy only.

we are talking about inaccuracy, glitches, and lags combined.

Kinda weak are you talking about this after 1 year massive failure in terms of hardcore games.

There is a good reason why companies like Sony and Nintendo passed up. Yes both Companies considered buying the tech before MS did. And guess what? They both turned it down CAUSE TECH was immature.

+ Show (1) more replyLast reply 2099d ago
FredEffinChopin2100d ago (Edited 2100d ago )

"I cant even begin to imagine what we will see next."

Nobody else can either, that's why the software still hasn't come through after all this time.

I'm honestly sick of hearing people talk about this potential that Kinect is going to achieve any minute now. People have figured out how to use it to make neat applications PC-side that one could use for a diversion for a few minutes at best. When it comes to its intended use however (gaming),it's simply not capable of pulling off much worthwhile. As has been said by many from the start, it's simply not an effective medium for controlling video games beyond super-casual stuff and dance titles.

I'm also sick of people talking about Kinect paving the way for the future. This type of tech is not something that exists solely because of Kinect research, and the style of control isn't even unique to gaming consoles. If people are going to credit Kinect for all of the future gaming devices that we see, then they should also acknowledge that the Eye Toy paved the way for the Kinect.

The difference though? The team that made the Eye Toy realized that wiggling one's body in front of the TV to control a modern video game is mostly weak and more limiting than it is liberating. They decided to implement controllers for the next iteration of their device, as those are necessary things if one is going to do any real gaming.

Sorry, but Kinect needs to evolve if it's going to be used for gaming. My friends who bought it expecting absolute awesomeness are begrudgingly acknowledging the fact that the thing just takes space and collects dust. The rest should come along soon in finally admitting the obvious: Kinect was a big, shiny distraction at best.

EasilyTheBest2099d ago (Edited 2099d ago )

I dont get why Kinect gets so many critics. Its always stated that its no good as a controller for games.
I have played Kinect Sports Football and Volleyball and the Mini games on it and theres no other system that can Pick up your feet Kicking a ball etc.
Kinect Sports 2 Golf. Another very good game, I could never go back to a controller for a golf game after playing that.
Dance games on Kinect are also the best dance games available for ANY system.
Fitness type games are also better on Kinect as its the only system they can be done properly.
Voice is also great for the dashboard etc.
KINECT is NOT for hardcore gamers perhaps its for a specific gamer.
PPL seem to mention wheres the games and are refering to hardcore COD and Halo type games. The 360 controller STILL works when you buy Kinect!
Theres tons of 360 games to play, Kinect hasnt got to be bought. I love Kinect and play it every day.

darthv722099d ago

completely understand your position. You are correct. I think kinect needs to evolve as well and the things is to evolve means it needs more integration in software. Otherwise how will it ever evolve.

Kind of like the catch 22 of you need experience to get the job but you need the job to get the experience. That may be a little off the path but it makes sense in some degree.

The gesture thing (I believe) wasnt intended for games like many say. Yet it has been shown to work. Even in the simplest forms and by that it gives these devs new ideas of we did this with it now lets try something else.

Giving credit isnt so much the issue because even the eye toy would need to give credit to the different camera techniques prior. So we arent really looking at who did what first. its more about who is evolving the use.

Like i said before. i can actually see tv makers doing something similar just as they have added web support directly to the sets where as before it was the set top box that did that.

The magic potential could happen any minute. I am skeptical as well but I do like when something new just happens to break the mold.

FredEffinChopin2099d ago

@EasilyTheBest

"I dont get why Kinect gets so many critics. Its always stated that its no good as a controller for games. "

You answered your own question. The examples you offered completely prove my point, dance games and casual games. The only two you actually named are Kinect Sports and.... Kinect Sports 2. The dance/fitness genre are the only places where it makes full use of Kinect technology, and that's where it stops.

And voice functionality could've been implemented to work with any old mic. It's not a merit of Kinect, and has nothing to do with gaming, which is the pretense this device was released under.

Machioto2099d ago (Edited 2099d ago )

@ easy Because Microsoft promoted kinect as the next big leap in gaming.

@zappy How? it sold better,not by much though and excluding the 3d aspect the ps eye could almost do the same thing as kinect.

FredEffinChopin2099d ago

"Giving credit isnt so much the issue because even the eye toy would need to give credit to the different camera techniques prior. So we arent really looking at who did what first. its more about who is evolving the use.

Like i said before. i can actually see tv makers doing something similar just as they have added web support directly to the sets where as before it was the set top box that did that. "

Giving credit is exactly the issue though, because people are still talking about the possibilities Kinect represents, and not what it can do. If it's about evolving an infant medium, then Kinect did it horribly, taking the first step of camera:body gaming and evolving the most inefficient part of it.

I certainly can see body gestures potentially being incorporated to certain devices in the future, but I still don't see why that somehow gives Kinect merit as a device when it completely failed to deliver on the expectations that early announcements suggested to people, convincing them to drop $150 on it.

EasilyTheBest2099d ago (Edited 2099d ago )

So you are the controller literally suppose to mean your body can be your usual controller.
Well I dont know if its me but I never expected that!
Microsoft is hyping up their product like everyone else does, nothing more nothing less.
I mention Voice on Kinect because you can Pause a movie nav the dashboard etc etc etc. Putting a mic on every time I think your missing the point. Besides the Mic needs the voice software too.
I think your missing my point. Theres a list of Kinect games I like, I pointed those particular games out because you cant get anything like it elswhere.
I thought Kinect Sports 1 and 2 were games. I play them almost every day online and with friends.
For hardcore games I will use a controller and Kinect, I dont see nothing wrong with that.
Try out Forza 4 with a controller but with Kinect Head tracking. Friends who have seen this have bought a 360 just to play it.
Child of Eden, I have played that and its way better on Kinect. Much more involved in the game a completly diff experience to using the controller.
Its been only been out 1 year and Im happy with Kinect so far..

darthv722099d ago (Edited 2099d ago )

"I certainly can see body gestures potentially being incorporated to certain devices in the future, but I still don't see why that somehow gives Kinect merit as a device when it completely failed to deliver on the expectations that early announcements suggested to people, convincing them to drop $150 on it."

Agreed. I wouldnt say "completely" failed as it has offered the controller free gaming (to an extent). There is also the controller free navigation which is to be enhanced in the next dash.

Now, would you hold other companies as equally accountable in their presentations? I ask because all major companies who have aproduct to sell generally sell up the product when they know it isnt fully realized. Then they bring out those little extras as time goes by. Ultimately delivering on the original promise made initially.

I should clarify. My last statement is being made as a generalization to companies where as Fred's was specific to MS and their presentation. My reasoning is that you cant pick and choose. If you want to specify one company for false advertising then you must choose them all as they are all guilty of the same thing.

The idea is self promotion and all companies will promote their product even if it is incomplete.

FredEffinChopin2099d ago

@Darth

I do. I crapped all over the Playstation Eye when it was revealed and I found it to be little more than the original Eyetoy, which had already proved itself as severely limited in terms of gaming. Not for failed promises, as they hadn't promised anything, but for failing to significantly enhance the formula. Even Home, whose promises were only in its first announcement, got a good deal of heat from my direction when (IMO) the most impressive features couldn't be incorporated when everything was said and done.

The reason I'm so vocal about Kinect right now though isn't just that it broke promises though. It's because despite a year (at least) of having done nothing at all, I'm still hearing it talked up as a miracle device that breaks ground. I personally don't see it as either. To each their own though.

2099d ago
+ Show (6) more repliesLast reply 2099d ago
mamotte2099d ago (Edited 2099d ago )

It's perfect for hardcore shopping.

ZippyZapper2099d ago (Edited 2099d ago )

Are you guys still pissed because Kinect took out Move?

mamotte2099d ago

yeah, it took move... but still nothing to be proud of

ZippyZapper2099d ago

Love playing around with Kinect on the PC. There are some realy good programs out there.

GoldenPheasant2099d ago

ahhh, Kinect and Potential. It seemed like a match made in heaven...but then it turned out that Potential was shooting blanks and Kinect was drier than a sandstorm, resulting in nothing more than people writing walls of text *points up* to justify this relationship with things like "wait and see", and "hybrid games".

ya uhm.

darthv722099d ago

rationalizing and being cautiously optimistic are frowned upon here. I'll just stick to what i know. Good games.

Then again, my idea of good games will differ from the rest but I'm ok with that. We dont all have to agree.

DJMarty2099d ago

'Kinect's Potential' LOL

Show all comments (25)