Opinion article on the recent controversy around Skyward Sword complaints and review scores.
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Why is this guy crying about call of duty using the same formula and blahr blar blarr??? At least Skyward is in the GOTY runner up sheesh....sdfu damn...lol.
If anything, he prooves the point why Zelda should be getting more 8.x scores instead of 9.x scores. It's the same formula on limited hardware and using unconventional controls. He compares other games like Modern Warfare which is uncalled for because a shooter is gonna be a shooter. You can't really deviate from that on limited hardware. COD gets 8.x scores. Zelda gets 9.x scores.
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a beautifull girl to save that will eventually give you part of her powers to defeat evil in the end ? or the best magical damage dealer in smash bros brawl ?
Better question is: Since when is a random persons blog gaming news???
When that persons blog is listed not under gaming news, but opinion.
Marquis made you look stupid Ares84HU. Its and opinion not news learn to read the little bubble by the story. And he wouldn't be random if you read his blog.
Made me look stupid??? :D hahahahahahaha that's a bit harsh. First off, this guy is a nobody from a random site. Shit like this should never be posted on N4G.com....or also known as NEWS FOR GAMERS dot com. AN opinion piece should be from someone known in the industry, a well known dev. or journalist who has an opinion about something in the industry. Things like this "opinion" piece is draging n4g.com down.
I know it's not possible, but if Zelda were to be on a higher end console or even PC, it would have had SO much more internally. The graphics would be better, gameplay would be epic, but we have to play it on a Wii. I had a Wii once, and sold it after 5 hours. I don't want to bash on the console, so I'll leave it at that.
the problem is, a 7.5 in gamestop usually means 8.5 in other sites.
it's gamespot. Gamestop would give a 10 for any game so people will buy it from them! this is a complain over a 7.5/10? and people were bashing Sony fanboys for crying over 4/10 for Uncharted 3! p/s: Cliff B not satisfied with a 8/10 is on a whole new level though!
my bad. I meant to say Gamespot. Thanks for correcting.
Read the piece, its not about the numerical score but rather the baseless, hypocritical complaints
Cliff B was satisfied with it. It was blown out of proportion and twisted to make it sound like he was complaining.
gamespot has only given 8 games a 10 throughout their review history, gamespot is one of the few sites that still is relevant, all the others are changing but gamespot is still the most honest ones. and thats my review, oh sorry i meant opinion.
Uncharted fanboys got bashed for complaining about Eurogamer's "h8/10" review not the stupid 4/10 that no one really cared about because it was late review. @ RIPSKATEDESTROY Gamespot lost all credability in the Kane & Lynch review scandal.
The real problem is that if you're going to knock a game for not changing its formula enough, you should BE CONSISTENT and apply the same standard to every game your publication reviews. When one game gets a lower score for "lack of innovation" while other games get a free pass for the same issue, it stinks of an obvious double-standard.
We could say the same for publications that gave zelda a 10/10 when they would severely knock other titles scores down for using the same outdated formula for 13 years. unless thats what you are implying with your comment but it seems the other way around.
First off, the people complaining are just Nintendo haters. For some reason it has all the sudden become "cool" on the internet to hate Nintendo. The game is VERY good and a couple of trolls shouldn't stop you from buying it. The gamespot reviewer isn't a Nintendo hater. He's just a douche. He has rated a lot of good games badly in the past. Second, metacritic user reviews are probably the LAST place you should go to see what games are good. It's a place where a game gets either a 10 or a 0 and people rate based on what the current score is and how they feel like it's their responsibility to "lower/raise the average based on fairness".
Wait what?..... Last time i checked no other gaming platform has any "beef" with nintendo (currently), in fact I used playing Zelda way back, but now Im just a PS3/PC guy now..... And if it means anything I have and play The Minnish cap on my phone...... That damn cloud board is confusing
This is not news. The writer is complaining about a review score from one site. He has a proble with 7.5 but would not have a problem with 8, while admiting he has only a few hours of play. This is pointless fanboy crying. Look at any great game, and you could find a review much lower than 7.5.
Doesn't mean his point isn't spot on. The same site critiquing Skyward Sword for lack of innovation on the "old Zelda formula" gave Modern Warfare 3 an 8.5. Think about how absurd that is.
Yeah five cod games in the past four years compared to five (3D) zelda games in in the past thirteen years. Zelda has had more changes than cod also.
And they are absolutely right in that regards: In the past 5 years, we've seen the COD formula enhanced and evolved much more than the Zelda formula. Think about it: in 2006 we had COD3 and now in 2011 we have Modern Warfare 3 - That's the same timeframe between Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword. Now try heading back to COD3 and see how vast of an improvement MW3 is: How much the visual stlye evolved, how much the gameplay was tweaked, how many more modes and enhancements were added. Sure, some if not most of this new stuff can be attributed to the first Modern Warfare, but we did also see many improvements since then like the spec-ops mode (not to mention that in recent years COD formula tends to be much more criticized in the media than the 25 years old formulatic Zelda - just check out the many reviews). You can't blame COD series for having incremental improvements between each yearly title when the end result is a much bigger improvement overall in the course of 5 years compared to Zelda. Also, between 2006 and 2011 pumped out 7(!) games based on the Zelda franchise. Sure, some of them were spinoffs and remakes but nonetheless Zelda games are being pushed in our faces not less than COD games - we have the simple option not to buy both franchises if we don't like this.
MW3 is better than all of the zelda games combined. 7.5 is not a bad rating so this guy is obviously a fanboy if he complains for a game that has that high of a rating.
@humbleopinion uhh no, the CoD formula has not been changed since CoD4. There was a huge leap from CoD3 to 4, but don't try to say there was a huge innovation from any of the game beyond that.
The amount of Zelda games that have come out since ocarina of time compared to the amount of call of duty games that have come out is completely irrelevant in regards to peoples complaints with zelda being un-innovative and outdated. People aren't saying omg they keep coming out with zelda games and they are exactly the same every year. People are complaining that, other than art style and graphics, zelda really hasn't really brought anything new to the table in the 13 years since ocarina. The story is almost exactly the same as every zelda game before it, you still have to stop every 2 mins and read long drawn out cutscenes that feel like they are from the year 2000 or earlier, the gameplay mechanics (other than using the wii to slash things), doing things for people, solving the same types of puzzles, collecting the exact same items in the exact same dungeons literally makes me feel like im playing a gamecube or n64 title.
@drake117 Well you are fully entitled to your opinion, but to say every Zelda involves "solving the same types of puzzles, collecting the exact same items in the exact same dungeons" is pretty ignorant. Although I will say that Zelda's 3D camera control definitely feels stuck in the past, make the damn camera completely controllable Nintendo!
@chadboban Oh please. Right now in Skyward sword im running around the faron woods(yep the same exact name as the woods from the last zelda game). I just got the slingshot(the first item that i got in every zelda b4 it) Im about to go into the sky temple even though it has nothing to do with the sky and is essentially the grass temple. I will kill spiders dangling from webs, i will prob have to hit some crystal or eyeball with an item i get which will open some door and ill have a certain amount of time to go through the door b4 it closes. Oh and guess what the place i go to after that is the eldin volcano(yet again same name and place as last zelda) oh and there ill be going through the fire temple. Sorry but ignorant my a**.
@DNAbro: There was nothing revolutionary since COD4, but there were a lot of incremental gameplay improvements: killstream system, spec ops mode, etc. You can't make a revolution EVERY year. And with each incremental innovation it still heads forward slowly but surely, and this puts it overall way ahead of Zelda when you compare the differences between 2006 COD/Zelda and 2011 COD/Zelda. Where's my co-op Zelda experience for example?
Yeah, the article really had me going until he started whining about that one 7.5 review. Utterly pointless. Wake me up when the world makes a game that every single person in the universe loves to death because then reviews will be useless.
@ humble opinion I think your opinion on tLoZ is outdated or you need to look into those games alone. if you've only played OoT and TP then yeah you'd be right. HOWEVER since there's more than just those two, lets re-adjust your statement, shall we? "Now try heading back to COD3 and see how vast of an improvement MW3 is: How much the visual stlye evolved, how much the gameplay was tweaked, how many more modes and enhancements were added. Sure, some if not most of this new stuff can be attributed to the first Modern Warfare, but we did also see many improvements since then like the spec-ops mode (not to mention that in recent years COD formula tends to be much more criticized in the media than the 25 years old formulatic Zelda - just check out the many reviews). You can't blame COD series for having incremental improvements between each yearly title when the end result is a much bigger improvement overall in the course of 5 years compared to Zelda. " - True, your statement holds water. And since you say yourself a majority of improvements are from the first MW, I'm not going to beat a dead horse. You were good up until you said that last bit. Not true. LoZ is an action adventure series, specifcally, a dungeon-crawler, so expect the usual "do x to open Y door" but where nintendo it REALLY good is about changing how its players play and challenging them with a new theme of play with each release. Lets go down the list, shall we? -Ocarina of Time (1998) - the theme of that is using the ocarina to manipulate the surroundings and go back and forth between two time periods -Majora's Mask (2000) - (probably the least innovative of the series) expands on the manipulation of time via the ocarina, but on a larger scale. Also uses masks as well -Wind Waker (2003) introduces the use of a boat and the manipulation of the wind to navigate around the overworld, and instead of the horse everyone was so accustom to they introduced a boat. -Twilight Princess (2006) - You switch back and forth between the realm of twilight and normal world, to get around you would switch between playing in a wolf form of your normal human form -Skyward Sword (2011) introduced fully integrated motion controls and even though I have not played it, if the many many zelda spinoffs are something to go by, I am willing to bet it's just as good and challenging as the previous titles So really, WHICH series made more improvements?
@drake117 There is no Eldin Volcano in Twilight Princess, it's Eldin Province, although you are right about Faron Woods. Betcha the next location has the same name and place as twilight princess as well. Amirite? (it doesn't)
Doesn't make him a douche, it makes his opinion not agreed upon with others. Guess what, in the end he is the one who gets paid to play the game (not you whiny fanboys). He is the one who can say whatever he wants on that site cause he works for. People need to grow up and just do what we did back before all these websites mattered. BUY THE GAME IF YOU F#$KIN LIKE IT. STOP TAKING OPINIONS SO LITERAL!! They are no more than opinions. His opinion is justified by his complaints and that's all that matters to him. He thinks it's too much like Twilight Princess, and games before it. He also thinks the controls take him out of the element when they screw up. Both easily justifiable from an opinion standpoint. Do yourselves a favor; Be a Zelda fan, and play Zelda games. Just because you would give it a 10 doesn't mean everyone else will. -_- Please do me a favor fanboys if you Disagree with what I am saying. Tell me why and stop being butthurt.
The problem is not the score, but how he was playing the game. He didn't know how to play the game right, and it's that one thing that made his whole review lose its credibility. This guy is not a douche, but he is very ignorant.
Same could have been said about almost every Lair review. I played the game how it was meant to be played and understood the control and it worked.
It's not that motion controls are complicated, it's that they're not advanced enough for them to be truly immersive. The most basic example I can give you is the DBZ tenkaich series on wii. They tried, but the fighting with wiimote motions was too laggy or unresponsive. True there is some amount of learning curve but overall, the hardware just can't emulate what and how we want it to be
"Skyward Sword Proves There is a Problem in the Gaming Industry" Wow. THE IRONY IS SO STRONG WITH THIS ONE.
The only thing it proves is that everyone has their own opinion.
No, you don't get it. The problem of the review wasn't necessarily the score, but the reason behind the score. Long story short, the reviewer played the WHOLE game the wrong way (He didn't have WM+ set up correctly) so he thought the motion controls were unresponsive. Basically, his score was based off of one huge mistake.
Scoring is one thing but like you said the words behind the number are totally different.
It's great for a Wii title but just good when compared to other games of the genre on other systems. That is the reality here...
THANK. YOU. Shadow of the Colossus HD should be selling like crack. That is true innovation. Not only do we get to see one of the best games ever made...in HD, but the 3D on it is possibly the best available.
wait you are calling a port innovative because it has better graphics?..
Try it and I'm sure your opinion will change. At least I found it better than Uncharted 3 and Skyrim wich were games I thought was going to be my GOTY.
For a wii title? This game is very well crafted. Heading to the third temple and I enjoy every bit of it. Enemies are far more dynamic. Bosses are fun, levels are well designed. Regardless of the lack of voice acting, the dramatics still hold up. This isn't just a design that would work on the Wii ( regardless of the Wii-motion+). The design could easily make the leap to the other consoles if the controls were there to support it ( I.E Move ). This is a great, if not, Amazing game. The " For a wii title" is just lame really. You don't have to like the game but to undermine the creativity that went into this game and say it doesn't stand well against those " hd " games is simply ridiculous. I know most people think I'm a Nintendo fanboy. But for F sakes, simply because it does not conform to a certain mechanic you like or it doesn't hold any HD visuals ( this game looks great though) doesn't make it a "good for a Wii game" game. It is a great game. You don't have to like it, but it's certainly not a " for a wii game". No just a great ( and for me heading to an amazing one) F'n game.
i dont own a wii. but i grew up on nintendo games and would love to play the new zelda. i didnt read the 7.5 review. but knowing it was a zelda game long in development, it seemed a lil douchey imo. but every other review says it is great. so who cares
A Nintendo exclusive got a decent-good score, shut up, stop crying, and deal with it! Life isn't fair, get used to it. How come when a PS3 or Xbox 360 game gets an average score, it's okay, but when a Ninty game scores low = outrage, there is a problem in the gaming industry! Pathetic really.
It's only because it's Zelda. That is what happens when Fanboys go crazy.
I say Nintendo always gets a break on the reviews. They never complain of being practically the same. PS3 exclusives game nitpicked till the last pixel! 360s exclusives are not as nitpicked as PS3 exclusives but they don't get a break like Nintendo exclusives.
I don't think you have been playing much Zelda games if you mean they are about the same.. Each new games brings new art/graphic style, whole new places, new items, link gets new abilities, new gameplay mechanics, it's own story, New music (except for a few remixes), new mechanics like upgrade system and potion mixing and so on! The formula is the same quest - temple, quest - temple and so on but the content in the formula is always different so it never feels the same. It does not get repetitive either like I felt Uncharted 3 and inFamous 2 got. It is a reason why it is getting so good scores. Saying that it's name is Zelda is kind of pointless, tell me what made Zelda games get good scores instead.
A lot of reviewers give certain developers and franchises a free pass, often based on nostalgia for previous games. They will nitpick games from other developers or consoles and then when those same issues crop up in their beloved franchises they just get glossed over or ignored completely. Being a Zelda game it will often get a +1-2 nostalgia modifier. If you want an honest review then find someone that has never played a Zelda game. Games should be able to stand on their own and not rely on past glory to taint reviewers opinions.
Reviews will be worthless until EVERYONE uses the same scale. When you have scales of 5/5, 4/4, 10/10 (one going with just .5 increments, and other with .1 increments), etc. you get a lot of inconsistency and makes it impossible to compare one review to another. You see that Gamespot give Skyward Sword a 7.5, but how do you know if it is better than the IGN review if they use different scale? Instinctually, you see the higher number as better, but the value is different. There should be some kind of rating board, and reviewers should be limited to one scale only. That way, if someone gives it a lower score than other, at least you can judge if the reviewer gave it an unfair score. There is also the problem of what is actually consider good. Again, you consider the higher number the better, but some reviewers might think that an 8 is good enough and reserves the 9s and 10s to the very best, once in a million masterpiece. Another reviewer should say that 7 is too low, so if a game is good, he easily gives it a 10. Therefore, the gaming reviews need a unified system, where all reviewers based their score on, and so the score have the same value.
But there wasnt a problem when a few 8's in Uncharted 3 made people angry.
The problem is people blindly praise Nintendo. Hating Nintendo came about because they stopped giving core titles save every once in a great while and then they treat it like a hassle. Also, I wanna punch Reggie in his smug, stupid face! Still surprised that people actually care about what Reviewers say though. I haven't done that since Gamespot used PSO as an insult when talking about Monster Hunter.
but I pressed agree for; "Also, I wanna punch Reggie in his smug, stupid face!" ^^^THIS! although personally it's kinda hard for me to choose between his face or Kotick's but I'm cool with punching them both! :-)
I agree that Kotick needs a good punch as well.
How does everyone blindly praise nintendo they get nothing but flack this gen, theres already talk how the should stop making consoles, how the wii u is gonna fail, this game is probably the first positive people have said about nintendo this year.
Depends on which side of the spectrum you're in. Around E3 everyone was all "Oh man! Nintendo destroyed with E3 this year I can't wait for WiiU!!" I think nintendo got away with too much recently and they're been coming out with too many poor titles, even for their main games. Zelda is the only exception to this, but even then its not enough. I wouldn't say WiiU is going to fail, but I think nintendo realized too late they build their house on the sand is hoping they can save it by melting the sand and turning it to glass.
I think the whole point of the article is that people are being critical of Skyward Sword for silly reasons.
The score doesn't change the game in anyway. What is all the fuss about?
Why does link looks like a girl?
Forget the review sites scores... I GOT Skyward Sword this morning and Skyrim is in the backburner until I finished this game. I can't put it down. Best game this year imo.
*spit take* I lol'd.
Yeah, I was completely obsessed with Skyrim but when Zelda came last friday I have not been playing Skyrim at all. I just can't put Zelda down it's so addictive and exciting!
Innovation?!? Whoa whoa whoa... Sports Champions did 1:1 sword fighting over a year ago. Nintendo is late to that party.