Velocity Gamer: Support for the original Xbox dropped the moment the 360 hit shelves and the motion gaming gimmick may have run its course, so will Microsoft's major focus on the peripheral end when the new Xbox arrives?
Not at all. They'll hopefully improve it and give me a reason to buy one.
I can actually say I enjoy Kinect (a couple of games). It's great for parties like the Wii, but it's also enjoyable because it actually gives you a workout.
See, I just game. I don't party game and I don't look for my console to give me a workout. A couple of games isn't enough reason for me to buy Kinect. Maybe next gen they'll have some uses that work as well as their E3 vids had people hoping for.
If you have friends or family that isn't a solitary gamer like you, then when you are with them break out the Kinect. You will have a lot of fun! Kinect replaced my Wii as a party system. If you are looking for something to replace what you have now, then there hasn't been a single gaming related device that can replace the controller.
I'm not a solitary gamer, I just don't "party" game. I play the PS3 and Wii with my kids and wife, but it's more they want to watch me play Batman or Uncharted or we play Costume Quest, EyePet, Wii Resort or New SMB together. I'm not convinced I need to set a "Let's jump around!" atmosphere when I game in order to have fun. While they have their place, I want to see a Kinect Heavy Rain. I want more than dancing or exercising or on-rails or distractions that aren't even games. There is a tremendous opportunity with Kinect, but they're not showing me anything to make me think this is a must have.
I have friends and family who come over to my house and therefore it's well worth the purchase for me. Dance Central, Kinect Sports, Wipeout, and Kinect Adventures are all games everyone enjoys, so it may not be worth it to you, but it is for me.
Agreed.... Great fun at parties, epically with beer and wine. Our kids dig it as well (they sweat playing it). It needs more quality games though.....
i believe they will use kinect for party games on 360 so it will keep selling and a new Hardcore version of kinect for Xbox 3 with less features then the kinect for 360 games in example maybe only half body motion tracking and it would have a Massive accuracy increase. so less features more accuracy.
there is any doubt that kinect will work with the next xbox and with the additional power maybe they can get rid of the lag and be more abitious with it
I think this is the dumbest question of all time. You think after spending 500mil of adds their gonna ditch it ? pleas... you don't have to be that smart to know.
Im pretty sure that they have already said that it will be compatible with the next xbox.
Some Kinect hate disagrees on this thread.... oh well.
not with their recent announcement of kinect support for windows. Unlike other companies that release add-ons MS may actually be inclined to support this to success. Others who release an add-on release it to little fanfare and if anything, they dont support it themselves. Sega, nintendo, Sony and even Atari are all guilty of this.
Remember the 360 Eye.
HDDVD 360 Vision Cam
Or maybe Kinect support for Windows is to try and get the Kinect sales going again. It sold really well up front but from Microsoft's own numbers it would seem that sales have declined dramatically. I think the outcome of the holiday season will play a big role in the future of Kinect. If they can reinvigorate sales then all is good, if they can't then it could very well be done.
interesting you bring those up. HDDVD wasnt MS's so when the format was canned by Toshiba there was nothing more they could do with the drives. I think they should have retrofitted the 360 and started making games with the format but hey...it was a business decision. The live vision actually had more support than the eyetoy. It just wasnt what MS had in mind and was more of a filler while they worked on kinect. Both are good examples of products that failed due to changing conditions. Not lack of support from the parent company or other companies. A really good example of an add-on that died from lack of support...the dance pad. You could really only use it for one type of game and there were some creative people that reverse engineered it to be used elsewhere but not everyone would go to that extreme. Same holds true for the guitar controller. Although, I was able to play a few other games with it simply because of the dpad and buttons. Street fighter was pretty funny doing that. You see...sometimes these things are after thoughts and not really the focus of what the company has in mind. MS has been working on gesture control on the PC for years. Being able to shoehorn the idea into consumers via a game console is not the first time something revolutionary like this has been done. PS2 helped DVD become the de-facto standard for movie watching in a world dominated by video tapes. Its abilities were revolutionary compared to video and sony can be very proud for helping define a new generation of movie watcher. Sega had the 32x which they didnt back even 1/10th of what they did for the sega cd. Sega cd was their best add-on and had very lucrative support not only from sega but practically every 3rd party developer sega was friends with. Nintendo had the failed superscope and (of course) the power glove. They even had a modem and ethernet adapter for the GC that never went anywhere. Sony has its fair share as well. The eye toy didnt get the support it deserved but it did lead them into making the pse and eventually the move. Although...the move is questionable because so many are more reluctant to give up their controller for the games that support it. As if sony is tacking on move support just to keep it relevant. Their modem/network/hdd adapter wasnt all that successful but again, it gave way to them building these features into the ps3. If a company want to make something a success they will find a way. Like i said with kinect, MS is to vested into the idea of gesture control on PC to not let it slip on the next xbox or even the current 360.
Hopefully....then they can focus on the things that made the 360 so great in the first place. I want the old Microsoft back, honestyl Kinect was never for the core audience yet Microsoft kept insisting...sorry STILL insist today that it's for the hardcore aswell.....sorry but thats BS. I knew it would happen when Kinect came out and I got told I had to have faith and I was being silly....guess I wasn't wrong afterall. Kinect destroyed Microsofts reputation to core gamers and most of their loyal audience.
Sony did the same thing with the move, the only difference is that Kinect succeeded while the move falters. Microsoft is planning to bring the Kinect to PC so there should be no reason why it shouldn't be compatible with the next box. The Kinect with Steel Battallion next year should be a great hardcore game.
Move falters? At least 10 million (by now) sold and you think it falters? The fact you mentioned Steel Battalion (a game that has to be played with a controller) is hilarious. I need a bullshit repellent for your post. Lulz.
your name is SDF Repellent, nuff said.
Thanks DonaldBeck, I didin't know I was held in such high regard by you. ;) It is another X360 article, so why am I not surprised to see you here.
Man, how ignorant was THAT post? Well, before I say that, I'll give you a chance to dig your way out of that hole, SDF. That aside, I've enjoyed Kinect the way most people have: in a party environment. Outside of that, it just doesn't appeal to me. No, the GAMES don't appeal to me. And with Microsoft putting most of their resources into Kinect, it makes it hard for me to say their SYSTEM is for me.
I don't want Kinect, either, but the people have voted with their wallets and Microsoft isn't going to ignore that.
its for all types of gamers its just that Microsft hasent really been pushing towards the hardcore at full force. They are trying to make progress with titles like rise of nightmare and steel battalion plus theres also the kinect game ryse by the creators of crysis. Really i think the kinect is being held back by the lack of power in the current gen consoles. We see hacks and alterations to games using kinect and they work like a charm on PC but when it comes to 360 kinect games its on the laggy side sometimes. It all comes down on how Microsoft pushes it and if they are actually listening and watching the amazing ideas the people are coming up with for the device. They need to make the next Xbox a console that pushes the limits of graphics and sticks to what makes the xbox great while also giving it the ability to push the kinects capabilities .
I don't use the Kinect for gaming, but if they ever get the software side of it to work better it is a very useful hands free media center remote and video chat option.
Yes...For Kinect 2.
here's hoping they do...
Actually they made kinect in such a way that it will work with next gen consoles so yea their going to keep it. Next gen games will hopefully be way more focused on hardcore games seeing as the kinect will be running on a more up to date system rather than the 5 year old xbox. The move to next gen will probably get rid of the lag and also open up more better processing for kinect titles and i pray will lead to more gameply types like the bulletstorm kinect vid on youtube.
why has this even been approved? it's like saying will microsoft's next console support video games?
they should the thing isnt even selling in the US anymore
I actually think they will for the most part, they'll continue to try to market the 360 as the Kinect console, and sell games on there - maybe even make a few. The reason is it may be costly for them to include an improved version of it with the console we know Sony probably won't be bundling any cam with PS4, and they don't want to be limited hardware/pricewise with the console when compared to Sony's console.
i don't care for kinect, but its not marketed for me so i won't hate on it, but i do hope they go back and bring back some older ips they had on the original xbox and get sega to make a bunch of games for them again, and let people online for free then add in extras for gold members
People will get bored with it, it's inevitable...the novelty is wearing off and the games are superficial. Sales are dropping and it cannot stand on it's own...Nevertheless MS will invest millions into marketing to reinvigorate it, but most people i know, that bought it, are dissapointed. Even windows support will not save it in the end, i and most gamers are for the Microsoft Xbox360 like in 06/07/08/09 those years were golden and i'm glad i bought the 360 in 05, but right now 360s gen is starting to show it's age and Kinect cannot help but make me feel dissapointed. I mean MS did great things for gamers but Kinect is so forced upon us and feels disconnected with what makes gaming so special and fun, it is more like ruining it and makes it all shallow/superficial and gimmick like...when we look back in the near future, i hope, we can just laugh about it....think why did we buy into this silliness? and forget about this period with Kinect. I hope the Nextgen will bring some real new sophisticated innovation in gaming.
I doubt it. They will likely bundle Kinect with the next Xbox. Sure Kinect isn't as precise as other motion controls but it doesn't need to be. Only hardcore gamers care about precision, Kinect isn't for the hardcore. I think Microsoft knows this. (Sony should do the same with Move and bundle it with the PS4)
Kinectimals: Now with bears- 10k Dance Central 2- 190k Sesame Street: Once upon a monster- 70k Kinect Sports: Season 2- 190k Rise of Nightmares- 100k The Gunstringer- 70k With these sales they will have no choice but to ditch it.
Why would they ditch it? They just made it available to windows and it's still selling tons. It'll likely be integrated in xbox 720 or something.
"it's still selling tons" It's was listed at 10 million shipped back in March and it's still 10 million shipped 8 months later in November now so how is it still selling tons?
What I meant is that, each week, it's still in the top 20-30 of the charts, selling at about ~99-100 each. Usually, most peripherals that are added for a console die off slowly, but the kinect, while not selling as much as it used to, is still consistent in sales. And at a high sale-price, microsoft are very likely making a good amount of money from the device.
um why would dey do dat?! kinect has all the great games... I don't even play non kinect stuff now it seems so last genz bro
If MS includes both a standard controller plus an updated version of the Kinect camera, PLUS they want to keep prices down, don't expect a huge leap in performance like the 360 was to the original Xbox. I get the feeling that Sony will have Move2 as an optional addon, and will have the power edge this next gen. MS have been given a much needed boost with Kinect, and more tied to it than Sony is with Move IMO. While Kinect has been a good product for MS, they'll really need to update it for better tracking for the next Xbox. So MS needs to factor in an extra cost of an update there as well that Sony won't most likely. I get the feeling that Sony will be happy to let Nintendo and Microsoft beat the crap out of eachother with extra standard casual hardware while they once again focus on core gamers. We'll see though.
No, it prints money.
but what about the games.. players... are they any good
I really hope not, but I fear they might. Critics have done a hatchet job on it so far, particularly with big games like Dance Central 2, exactly the same as what happened with anything that wasn't Mario or Zelda on Wii. Because, you know, motion controls are casual etc. And I think if the same happens with next year's big Kinect games and they end up not selling, MS may well phase it out next gen.
They won't ditch it but they would push the PC SDK for it more since it's games are not selling like they did last year.
They spent a lot of money on Kinect. Which is why I don't see Microsoft abandoning it anytime soon. It will be compatible with next XBOX. XperiaRay
they will upgrade the experience
I co-invented video gesture control back in 1986 with Francis McDougall, and we have been pioneering and evangelizing it ever since. We invented video gesture control with 3D depth camera back in 2000. We have licensed to EyeToy and XBOX. We have worked with every 3D depth camera on the market. The one thing about all these 3d cameras is that they are not very low resolution....... when Microsoft releases the next Kinect the higher resolution will let us track complex gestures and do things that will make even the hardcore games believers......
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