Square Enix is considering making the next Final Fantasy game an action-RPG. OXM's Edwin speaks up in defence of turn-based battling.
Everything evolves over time. There will always be people who reject change but cannot stop it.
This isn't really change, though, is it? It's trading one generic idea for another.
Wow so action oriented combat and turn based combat are both generic? What else is there? I guess by that, everything is generic. Which is probably closer to the truth as generic has just become another empty word because of people who use it for "things I don't like"
@D2mons0ul I'm not one of the people who reads "generic" as "things I don't like". Unlike you, it seems.
You didn't address anything I said. You said trading one GENERIC idea for another. So if turn based combat and action oriented combat are both generic, what else is there?
I think your alertness to inference needs levelling up... "Evolution" suggests a new state, which also means I can't detail evolution's object.
i'm not in to the jprg genre but i feel they should not change the the combat since their loyal fans enjoy turn-based
I agree. A good chunk of the market is starving for jrpg's. Millions of FF fans have been waiting for a true FF game for years, and they could have that part of the market cornered, rather than trying to blend in and make FF just another lame, linear action RPG. ["Should Final Fantasy become a new type of the game or should Final Fantasy not become a new type of game?" company CEO Yoichi Wada remarked to Gamasutra in July last year. "The customers have different opinions. It's very difficult to determine which way it should go."] ^^ Who the f%#k has been asking for FF to become a new type of game? Wada is an ignoramus. Fans have been loud and clear about what they want for many years... This man should be kept far away from the Final Fantasy series.
I find myself agreeing with summerofgeorge. When you listen to fans and see what square is saying... they are either intentionally making bad decisions or are utterly aloof. You think they would have learned from their recent mistakes. Perhaps individual pride and obstinance is the issue here?
But their Loyal fans are all screaming for versus and isn't that an action rpg? I'm not saying make them all action RPGs but one every now and then doesn't hurt
@NYC_Gamer I'm one of them :)
i see what you mean, buuut as the series keeps going the gameplay starts getting more fast paced. eventually it had to come to this. hopefully its not full out action, maybe something likee Xenogears or Valkyrie Profile, still very action, but still turn based. Im all for action rpgs, as versus looks even more amazing than Kingdom hearts, we will see i guess
I swear Wada is being paid to sabotage the company, no one could really be this stupid and keep destroying what Square and Enix built up over the years :/
"Final Fantasy 15 an action RPG? Over my dead body, Square Enix" I wouldn't mind if it was over Wada's dead body. :P
Square Enix is dead they need to renew their image... change Logo, name... new ips...
Good idea I would play it. I enjoyed Kingdom Hearts and Mass Effect 2 gameplay so I welcome this. Also, make the setting a bit like FF: The Spirits Within and you've got yourself at least one costumer.
mass effect 2/dragon age 2 are the reasons i'm no longer a fan of bioware....they put dumbed down/casual money grab ahead of loyal fans........
Yes, bring up the movie that almost killed Square completely when you make your suggestion for how the next FF game should be.
Square has been complaining about turn based combat since FF10. Maybe even FF8. The MMO-like style used in XII & XIII was unrewarding to me and I've been wondering why they've never looked back to the combo mechanic used in Chrono Trigger. That should have been built on to allow characters to combine their abilities like the fire spell and arrow attack against a malboro in the FFXIV trailer. Allow player to literally figure out and make their own special attacks. I actually blame this on Nomura and Kingdom Hearts. Also really wonder how Japanese fans are taking this news.
Actually, they did try the attack combination in Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles, which had a fairly decent combat system, and brilliant co-op. It's a shame you needed to connect GBAs into the GameCube to actually play co-op, though...
If Lightning is the main character, I'll buy it day one.
Why would they want to be just like everyone else and appeal to the button mashers? This is sad. The farther they moved from their roots the less people have liked it. They seem to believe this indicates they need to move farther from their roots in order to succeed.
"According to Final Fantasy XIII-2 producer Yoshinori Kitase, continuing the drift towards action gaming begun with Final Fantasy IV's Active Time Battle system may be the answer to Square's ills. "In the global market we see many players moving away from games that used turn-based systems toward what you might term an action-RPG. That's a trend, and you ignore things like that at your peril." Excuse me Squeenix, I just want to inform you the reason why your company is ALREADY in PERIL is cause you changed and tried to evolve what FF used to have, which was a good story and turn based gameplay. The reason why I won't buy, or even try FF13-2 is cause FF13's combat and Story sucked. I could deal with linearity, matter of fact my favorite FF, which is FFX was very linear. But the story and combat system was phenomenal. Unless you are talking about making a Dues EX/Skyrim hybrid western type of jrpg, I really can't understand where you're coming from? You talk about how these turn based rpg's aren't selling. Which rpg's are you talking about?!!! Dragon Quest? It sells by the millions. Other than that, what other turn based games are you getting your opinions from?!! For the sake of anything that is still sacred in the rpg genre, please, stop destroying my favorite franchises. I remember when Dragon Warrior and Final Fantasy were the best rpgs ever.
Agree with you whole heartedly, except that they've been "Westernizing" DQ as well. Hell, the current one is an MMO.
Change != Evolution
My bad, I guess change DOES equal evolution, you disagree was very concise and well thought out. I am glad you have shown me my error with such profundity and insight.
After waiting for over 10 years now to play again a traditional turn-based JRPG with awesome story and couldn't find any I think it's time to accept that the good old times is over. I didn't want to accept it till now it took me more than a decade but I have nothing to give me hope I know all the future releases of JRPG for the next 2 years and there is nothing there for me except 1 and this will be probably my last journey to my favorite genre, Ni no Kuni will be this game and honestly cant w8 to play it. All my favorite franchise die already FF doesn't exist for me after X, Suikoden is non existant for many years now, Breath of Fire also, SONY never release a sequel to Legend of Dragoon or Legaia, Chrono Cross was the last game of the series and many other amazing games never see a sequel. R.I.P. traditional turn-based JRPG R.I.P. FF & other favorite franchise of mine
Traditional turn-based RPGs are alive and well, you just have to know where to look.
They say this as they look at Skyrim sales and go...=O!
Wait, You guys are complaining and yet most of you are excited about Versus and isn't that an action based RPG? Where were these complaints before? Also i don't think they mean action based RPG. Type-0 looks like an action RPG but it actually uses an ATB so it's like Crisis Core but with a Party and that's gotten posisitve reviews all round. Some people don't like it but i welcome it with what i've seen so far. I'll quit when it starts looking like Skyrim.
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