African Americans are among the biggest consumers of gaming products, but why aren't they behind the scenes making the games?
yea, lets label gamers even more...
It's a fair point though. If there is indeed a lack of African Americans (or ANY particular group of people) in the industry, it brings up the question of why this is the case. Surely the dreams and goals of white gamers aren't all that different to the dreams and goals of black gamers. So does this mean there are black gamers out there who WANT to become devs but can't, because they either don't have the opportunity, or don't have the money, or don't live in an area that offers such qualifications? And if so, is there more than can be done to help black gamers to achieve these goals? It's a valid thing that should be researched.
allow me (a black gamer) to insert my two cents. i wont lie... there was a point a few months ago where i decided "hey, i love video games. im gonna makem too YAY". *downloads dev c++ and vim. * buys prentice hall c++ without fear second edition (for beginners) * starts reading DAMN SON THIS **** IS HARD!!!! *quits lol naw i havnt quits. but in all seriousness i think alot of talent goes into developing especially if your makin a good game like uncharted or gears. and when your sitting there for hours at a time it makes you think about if your wasting time maybe ill just end up making another 'Rogue warrior'...sigh well i could always join the marines lol
i rather play than make. its doesn't mean that playing video game automatically will make me like making them. i test video game for ubisoft and its wack.yes im getting paid but when your behind the scene its a different thing. just like in the movie. you like film but that doesnt make you an actor nor director.
Don't worry Young juice, I'm whiter than a snowman's balls and I went through that exact scenario with wanting to make my own game, downloading the tools then quitting as soon as I found out it took actual effort. Making videogames is an alluring idea but way too damn hard. No matter what colour you are, that's as true as your name is creepy.
That's actually what I'm planning on doing as a profession and become a developer. My computer broke down down so until I can get a new one I can't get any hands on expirence. But that is my goal and after meeting MM I can see its not impossible just requires the effort some people aren't willing to put in. EDIt: if anyone knows of any good game development schools that would really help as well. I'm currently applying for computer engineering majors
Here ya go, it's simple really and so many of us get called "racist" when in fact were realist,it's reality. Why? It's an indiviual thing but sure if you want to categorize it, then it's this, many blacks don't have the desire to be in these fields, opportunity is there for everyone and many different races are in the field, it's just that they don't want or desire to be in it. Affirmative action gives an unfair advantage today but still we see little to no blacks, so simply put, that is their choice, nothing more. To say blacks nare among the biggest/play more video games, not true. We all do. All races are crazy about gaming, there may be nations where their poverished to the point where they can't play, nor even know what video games are. most races/people don't have the money to do what they want in life, so it''s your desire that paves thast way, and again, blacks are given even more opportunity w/free grants, loans that are minority based. Again, realist, not racist. It's just reality. Most white/asian children desire to be a professional at something, sports is only a fun sport, blacks in general not all, but most desire and fantasize about being sports profesionals/musicians. Will blacks change and adjust their goals one day and make the playing field equal in gaming, ...no is my guess but it is what it is.
What? Words like "studies indicate" in news blogs are not used for the purpose of labeling. They're trying to reach some sort of conclusion with this examination.
"studies indicate" Is that like the Fox News eviquilant of "Its been said..."
There are many People of all racial make-ups that are in the gaming business. Soledad O'Brian of CNN just has a special coming up on Blacks in Silicon Valley that making HUGE contributions to Electronics and even in video games. Sure the diversity is small at times but so is the Black Community as Blacks are third behind Whites and Latinos in population size. As the video Game industry increases so will the diversity like all other Industries. This country has Black billionaires, Doctors, Lawyers, Judges, Mayors, governors, Scientist, Astronauts, Inventors, CEO's of fortune 500 companies, a Black President and even a few BLACK HOCKEY PLAYERS so I think diversity is working well. Many many people help make a video game but usually we only see the CEO of the publishing company or the CEO of the Dev team. It's almost a chore to find Team Photos of Developers but I found a couple Bungie and Infinity Ward and guess what they have Black People......and women too.
Yeah Blacks are like 13% of the population, what percentage of Whites work in the gaming industry? In reality the dev pool is tiny, the ESA estimates that only around 32,000 people work in the Gaming field in the U.S. I have experience in trying to break into another highly competitive field, illustration and graphic design, out of the dozen or so guys I used to collaborate with 15 years ago only one ended up starting his own studio and as of 2008 none of us are still working in the field. Another example, a housemate of mine wanted to be a film maker, he basically got paid in free meals for working on low budget film shoots, commercials and music videos for over ten years, we had to spot him rent money and drive him all over the place, he was 34 before he made his first film and until he sold it he was living in poverty, not many people White or Black have that much dedication or are willing to sacrifice so much. In a lot of these niche jobs it's down to personality, who you know to get a foot in the door and just being in the right place at the right time.
African Americans are among the biggest consumers of gaming products, is that RIGHT?? i beg the differ african americans is only 1% out of rest of the world gamers. unless the WHOLE continent of africa playing games which I seriously doubt.
People who live in Africa are not African Americans. They're just Africans.
Black Americans have higher unemployment rates in general. And between social-economic imbalance and self-demeaning culture like BET and many comedians, we're not moving past it. Social advancement must be priority #1. Education must be treated as a value, self-image must improve, the demeaning nature of the entertainment world must stop, self-segregated culture must stop, and more has to change to see real improvement. Right now, less qualified persons are being hired to Chicago fire departments due to a lawsuit. More qualified students are losing out on grants and scholarships because they don't happen to be minority. "Civil rights leaders" ("Reverend" Jackson) are marching to see attempted murders get lighter sentences because they attacked a person for a hate crime. We are going about all of this completely wrong. It is the CULTURE that must change to help push us forward. You can't put people on life support forever.
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"African Americans are among the biggest consumers of gaming products, but why aren't they behind the scenes making the games?" Simple answer to a simple question. Most Latino, Asian, Black(basically minorities) gamers willingly CHOOSE to just play games instead of getting involved in making or marketing them in the industry. Most game devs are white...hence they will naturally create characters that look like them.
"Most game devs are white...hence they will naturally create characters that look like them." Fair point, but it's also about demographics. You can bet a lot of money is invested in determining how to best cater a game to a target audience. You can see similar behavior in ads on television, newspapers, and so on. This is marketing 101.
How do you know they willingly choose to just play games? There are socioeconomic factors, education and access to education factors, as well as the hiring practices within the industry. Why aren't more white people professional basketball or football players? Rappers? It's more than just "they willingly choose not to" imho.
-_- So black people are limited to only playing sports or rapping? Don't let the media get to your head.
First - I'm black. Second - Both the professions I listed are DOMINATED by blacks, similar to how the games industry is dominated by whites. Don't let jumping the gun get to your head.
It all starts with eduction, there is quality of teaching and willingness to learn, and opportunity to succeed. If there are problems with the system, the government should be doing something about it, and sadly they don't seem to care.
Good conversation, and I agree with yesmyname point.
''Why aren't more white people professional basketball or football players? Rappers?'' White people coach the black basketball players. White people own the stadiums. White people own the sponsors etc. White people don't play basketball, they own it. White people own the record labels. They own itunes, they own the concert halls, the radio and mtv. white people dont rap, they 'own' rappers/artists. But yeah, it is social economics factors that makes it that way.
Well star hawk the guys black aha
"White people coach the black basketball players. White people own the stadiums. White people own the sponsors etc. White people don't play basketball, they own it. White people own the record labels. They own itunes, they own the concert halls, the radio and mtv. white people dont rap, they 'own' rappers/artists." That reminds me of a comedy routine Chris Rock did a while back: "There are no wealthy black or brown people in America...We got some rich ones, but we don't got no wealth. People ask 'what's the difference?' Shaq is rich. The white man that signs his paycheck...is wealthy. 'Ahh here ya go Shaq. Go buy yourself a bouncy car. Bling bling!'"
***Most game devs are white...hence they will naturally create characters that look like them.*** It's not just that. If the biggest demographic is black and yet they buy the images produced by mostly non-black developers/designers, then why change it? If everyone is eating your hamburgers, you don't change the recipe. When people stop eating them, then you look into what you need to do in order to get them back.
Thats a good point, but look at the popularity of CJ form San Andreas. GTA:SA had authentic characters that also happened to be black and it's success was insane. Even in black culture the characters of San Andreas are adored. I don't think that the issues is that developers are sticking to white guys because they sell. Black characters have sold as well so that's not really the issue. The issue I think is what the author says; white guys drawing white guys. More black creative forces, more black characters (same goes for all races). I see it more as a cultural issue than a race issue. The more diverse the creative talent culturally the more diverse characters will be. This change wont come from a creative push but from the natural integration that happens in open societies. Give it time, we'll see more black, asain, mexican, etc...
do you know what this mean? now developer like activision , thq,ubisoft and all those mainstream that create commercial hd gray shooter/sandbox will look at that thing and in the futur, you will have call of duty with a black protagonist he will be from the hood he will rap and all that or in ass ass in creed the main character will be black protagonist he gonna be a killer pimp and then microsoft is going to pull their biggest trick, in halo 4 master chief will pull out hes helmet and surprisee:hes black. and hes was from the bronx with he's homies went he decide to join the space marine.
Change the title. Sorry to be pedantic, but I don't like that term 'blacks'. Hell, I don't even like the name label 'whites', and I'm black. Anyways. It's something I've been wondering which my friends who studies game design brought up further. Theres a serious lack of black people working in industry. Not that it's too much of a problem, but considering that a fuck load of black people are really into their gaming, why don't many work in industry. I'm hoping to get into the industry through a Design/Graphics/Illustration route which I'll pursue once I have my degree. Someones gotta step up to the plate I guess lol
Well there was a black guy during that PSV/PS3 cross platform talk at E3. Forget the game he was demoing...began with an r
There was one for WipEout 2048 iirc. Was talking about how the game works across the PS3/PSV platforms, and during the time he was racing while explaining to him, and won by fractions of a second at the end.
"Theres a serious lack of black people working in industry. Not that it's too much of a problem, but considering that a fuck load of black people are really into their gaming, why don't many work in industry." Same reason that there aren't many black surgeons and astronauts. Its just not a profession that most blacks gravitate to.
You are generalizing all blacks,just because you don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.
I don't think gravitate is an appropriate word. The truth is that a much larger percentage of black youths lack the education and financial means to get into schools with such high costs and years of education (6-8 years). Smart people are smart no matter where they are educated, but that doesn't mean that smart people are not affected by their peers and culture. How likely is a black youth to get into medicine when he is raised by a community that lacks such influences? What are the professions that are seen as desirable in such communities? I've watched a few shows on the success of gangs and how some of the leaders of the most prominent and successful gangs have high IQs. Many schools that black youths attend don't offer programs that aid in getting into certain schools, nor do they have the funding to fully educate kids on computers and trending technology. Financial aid is available, but the financial status of the student's parents greatly affect how much aid is available. And, financial aid doesn't guarantee enough to pay for access to all schools. Sadly, one of the best ways to ensure a better education for your child is to join the military and get stationed overseas with a DOD or a similar education system where there is a lot of funding into the education as well as materials. I was introduced into programming in my Freshman year in school while overseas alongside many others. I was the minority in every single one of my classes and there were a ton of bright black and Hispanic youths getting an education that otherwise would be unavailable to them in the areas their parents were from.
regie fils-aime is half black
He's half chin too.
GASP! You're of the browner persuasion too?! Will the revelations never end?! http://www.latimes.com/medi...
Joking! It is strange though. Maybe we just prefer being on tv?
"We're too busy ballin' and cappin' asses" LOL!
Lmao bubbles Titanz
If we get out and have some sun light then we would turn black.That is why.....
Why specify people's skin color? We are all equal and skin color matters about as much as what color your hair is. If everyone really believed in equality they would stop these stupid studies and just call people, people.
In a perfect world, race wouldn't matter and everyone would be treated equally. But the sad fact is, many aspects of Western society DO treat people differently based on race (or gender), particularly when it comes to getting hired for jobs. Generally white people are hired for jobs more than black people (and get paid more)...regardless of the black person's qualifications, past experience, or educational background. Just take a look at some of the studies listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... It's pretty sad that it's the 21st Century and stuff like this still happens...but ignoring it won't make it go away. Ignoring it only enforces the idea that continuing this sort of behavior is ok.
Couldnt the headline of gone with "African Americans" rather than "Blacks". Sorry if I sound a little PC.
Agreed, it's quite unnecessary.
Because African American is a silly PC term. What is an American whose parents came from Morroco, Lybia, Algeria, Egypt called? Like in the UK people from Pakistan are called Asians. But we call Chinese people Chinese! (as if China wasn't in Asia)
"Because African American is a silly PC term." That ^ An attempt to be PC just offends the people who the term is there to avoid offending because of the assumption that not using the phrase would be offensive. It surrenders to the idea that offensive terms should exist. Really, no words should be offensive; when did "sticks and stones may break your bones" stop being relevant? We are taught that as kids yet for some reason it gets ignored my lots of society. Only when the use of a word is evident of the intent of it being insulting should it be insulting, and in those cases it simply proves that the person using the word is a (can't swear here, there are no other words to describe...) **** (that'll do but I'd rather be able to swear. Why is it wrong again? lol @ topical) and instantly has no opinion anyway. Delicate issue, but it must be addressed or we will never be able to get past the issue in this multicultural world. Hmm... not quite happy with my wording but it should make sense :P
I find it funny how americans say "african american" when talking about black people but then say "white" instead of caucasian american. What was wrong with saying white and black in the first place? double standard
Not every Caucasian in America is American.
wouldn't the correct term be european american because well if you were truly american you would be native american or something related to that
Why does it matter anyway? Labels should only exist as descriptive terms for when they actually matter. As in: "who's james?", "oh he's the black guy over there" (maybe not a very 'black' name but I guess that proves the point even more, also here in the UK there seems to be less name disparity that American TV seems to show exists over there, and probably does). Otherwise we surrender to the idea that the words should be insulting, when they shouldn't be - they are a relic of the older generation who didn't grow up with the same (correct) outlook on the world that most of us do in the younger generations (ie they genuinely were racist because they learnt from older generations, and so on). Only recently has there been a proper movement to end the cycle, people power ftw. The internet should help (though... 4chan probably wont lol)
I don't like the term Blacks or African Americans. For one I'm not from Africa. There is a white guy at my job that is African American though. He moved here from South Africa. It makes no since to call us African American unless we were born in Africa then moved here. That's how it works for every other race. It makes more since to be called black instead of African American even though I don't like it but its just a general term so its no big deal. It's just a description.
Well not really regardless of if you were born in America or not... Asians are labeled Asian regardless. It is supposed to reflect heritage. But these days we are a melting pot. In about 50 more years you won't see anyone with natural born red hair. And in about 200 years there will be no more Blonde haired people. We are mixing for better or worse.
i don't agree because i'm American pure and simple.labels are labels and i don't care for them.
You don't like black!? Well to bad on that one. How else are we (Black) people going to diffientriate ourselves from the many other people of color in the world. I met Indians darker than me, and even filipinos. Plenty of latinos are dark too. But when you hear or read black you know the reference is towards those of African decent. And by the way, every single human comes from Africa. That is where the origin of our species began.
'Cept not ALL black people who are American born can trace their heritage back to Afrca... one of my good friends' grandparents moved to America from Trinidad, and he HATES the term "African American" because technically, he's of Carribean ancestory. In the Part of the Country where I live (the Boston, MA area) there is a large demographic of people with black skin color, who are Haitian, Latin American, Jamaican. In America, where it's always been a melting pot of different cultures, people take a gerat deal of pride in their cultural ancestory, no matter how many generations removed they are.
Some people prefer African-American while others prefer Black American. Just like some prefer to be called Latino while others prefer Hispanic. Just like some prefer White while others prefer Italian-American, Euro-American, Jewish-American, Asian-American, etc. etc.. In MY AMERICA we prefer ONLY AMERICAN cause color doesn't matter to us because we all bleed Red White and Blue!!!!!!!
I know right. Every time I hear blacks used like that is seems idk weird. Even using whites seems weird. Its almost like they want to say the no no word but this is the reformed way to say it. I don't know it might just be me, but it seems a bit demeaning when used like this. On this subject,however, I have been thinking the same thing for years. I've always wondered why there were/are no fairy tales/fantasy novels/worlds/mangas/comic books/epic stories ala lord of the rings written by a black person. Even more to the point where is the lore lol. Weird thing to think about but I'm black and I hate and I'm a geek and I can never understand why we as a people don't have this. Okay okay you talked me into it (gets out piece of paper and pen). I'll get the ball rolling but I better not be the only one. But seriously I'm pretty sure I'm wrong and if anyone has any info on where I might find any of the above stuff please let me know. V/R
Well, me being black, I do feel like I'm in the minority of black people who play video games, especially the type of games I play, which puts me even more in the minority. Funny to because people around me who don't know me would never guess I'm VERY much into gaming and other things like anime, manga/manwha, graphic design, soccer, etc... They pretty much assume I'm just that stereotypical "black guy". Oh well though, it's one of those things you can't change so... I honesty never look at people by color anyways, so I guess something like this just goes right over my head most of the time.
Same here, especially when I walk into computer/electronic stores knowing more details about the products that those stores are selling and I always get that "Oh I didn't know you knew that?" Look or the "I didn't expect you to find it" look..... Hell, I get patted on the back about being able to build "A" PC, and the only thing I did was read and do some research about the parts I was purchasing....... Pfftt..... That's people for ya
ha ha wow and here I thought I was the only one. Now I found 2 more...woot!!! It is funny when people first meet me as most black people say I talk white. When people say this to me I just look at them and say you mean I speak correctly. Its really annoying. True story. So I'm calling my mom cause I needed to ask her a question and the phone rings. Well I know she's home but she doesn't pick up the phone. Phone keeps ringing and eventually I have to leave a message. A couple minutes later she calls me and I ask "mom, how come you didn't answer the phone". You know what she says...because I thought you were a white guy and I didn't know who you were. We both laughed at that even though It kind of hurt a bit. Still I bring that up to this day to remind her to answer her damn phone as it could be me on the other end.
There are a few games with African American protagonists like Afro samurai and the 50 cent games. But I guess we are used to playing Japanese games when growing up so essentially in the gaming world, we have become color blind. That's not to say we don't know who we're controlling, but we don't care who we're controlling. I don't like the use of stereotypes in games so when games like saints row gave you the ability to create your own character, or if multiplayer games let you choose a different race, then yeah we often opt for the African or Latino and such. But that's not to say we don't like playing as people different from us, we are just an underrepresented group that games, but it's not as bad as the lack of Hispanic representation I'm looking forward to the game Starhawk. Even though I do not own a PS3, it looks fun as hell, and features an African American protagonist. I wouldn't care if he was white, but I did see a LOT of negative comments because of his race. I'm glad devs are starting to look at who is playing their games, and hope that more minorities can get into the industry and spread some positive influence for an underrepresented demographic.
You couldve said better games like CJ (san andreas) or Kratos.....50 cent games and Afro samurai is like the bottom of the barrel
Kratos isn't black. Is he? I thought the guy that voiced him was just black. And CJ is an excellent example, but common traits in black protagonists is usually fufilling a selfish goal, as apossed to star hawk, where the protagonist tries to make a wrong right.
Kratos is black..... You can even look at a few cut scenes where the ashes first cover his body..... Hell is facial structure screams black, let alone his..... Which happens to be acted out by a Black male...... And Atlas is black as well.....
@ Hufandpuf Yeah Kratos is black and voiced by a black actor. I forgot what the name of the tv show used to be. It used to be him, queen latifah and 3 other women. arrgh if I could remember I would tell you. He was the intellectual black guy not the plumber. It was a really good show. Came on around the time the tv show Martin was on.
@ Graey The name of the show is Living Single. I don't know the actor's name, but he played Kyle.