It's been greeted with critcal acclaim and, probably, record-breaking sales. So why do internet forums and comment sections despise Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 so much?
it was an excellent game in its haytime but now its either ''m'eh'' or completely terrible game. only call of duty 1 2 and 4 were the good ones and thats bout it. we expected more from the game but the game is meant 4 8-13 yr old kids even thogh its an 18 or above game
I think you mean heyday
If it actually sells less than black ops, maybe, just maybe, activision will build a new engine for their COD games along with other improvements. fingers crossed....
The BIG cod debate. Clash of the cod fans, is this going to be a yearly on going debate tune in next year. Are we off air now great back to the battlefield [email protected] chopper after me.
ur right i kind of forgotten bout that. thnx a bunch and bubbles 4 u.
The most loved is always the most hated. Just like Sony at the beginning of this generation.
I actually hate Halo worse but COD is up there.....although back in it's day COD1 COD2 CODMW1 were and still are classic titles!! I got my MW3 Copy for $30 today....gonna sale it tomorrow for $55 cause I'm not gonna play that shite CODMW1 version 4.0!
then why bother buying it in the first place?
The best COD:MW is the first one. The rest of the sequel are just milking the franchise by Activision.
Yeah, you're right, MW2 2 years later is totally milking...
see this is the problem with all u people just like madden ya'll buy it every year i buy madden every 2 years so i can notice the diffrence and the improvements i've played COD4 then MW2 now im playin MW3 i didint get WAW or black ops i got bored of WWII shooters and black ops was a step back going to the cold war era IMO cod4 was a masterpiece mw2 had spec ops wich i loved mw3 has more balanced multiplayer than mw2 and it has more spec ops + survival i dont get it why ya'll say its the same game, that ya'll are getting milked if i buy a game i try to play it to every extent not just multiplayer modern warfare has a great story if ya'll dont apriciate it then thats your loss
bro can you milk a cat? can you milk me llikegames76?
Why does everyone have to be everyone, crzyjackbauer? Y'all may have bought Madden, but I am not in y'all. I haven't purchased a NFL game since NFL2K5. I bought CoD4 and loved every minute of it. That and MGS4 made deployment bearable. I bought MW2 expecting advancements in the game and was extremely dissapointed. I was disappointed in WaW because it wasn't even as good as MW2. I didn't even THINK about buying Black Ops (though my 9yr old STILL hasn't shut up about wanting it). That is why MW3 has no chance in hell of being a good game to me. It isn't hate of the popular. It's hate of a game that doesn't do enough to justify paying $60. If Batman can improve on an already outstanding first game, so can MW. If Uncharted can improve on an already outstanding series, so can MW. If Gears of War can improve on an already outstanding series, so can MW. The development team has not done enough work in my opinion. They don't deserve my money.
@Biggest You've saved me from a lot of typing :) My Sentiments exactly.
We can Lay by the bay,I could make things out of clay, eat some hay What do you say?
hey, lets all just play. like they say, games that stay are the ones that make my day.
I guess nobody else understood your Happy Gilmore reference lol
Happy Gilmore is the Sh1t, lmao.
You eat pieces *giggles* of sh1t for breakfast?
Me winning the MVP pin in BF3 ~ http://www.youtube.com/watc... CoD Player going 2/17 end of round in BF3 http://www.youtube.com/watc...
just ask anyone on N4G or anywhere else, they will definitely say CoD4 is a great game and they love it! why? for its time, it was revolutionary and it actually brought something new to the table! several years later - 4 years to be exact, the quality of the franchise is stale (BO actually looks worst) and you don't have to be a LoT or DF member to see that they are all just CoD4 with different setting - more like expansion packs if anything, thus the hate! reviewers giving free passes due to the "if it ain't broken don't fix it" mentality isn't helping the situation either because most of them whine like an ungrateful b*tch when other games are more of the same in their sequels and start barking the phrase "no innovation" all of the sudden like a dumb puppy! the thing is, CoD IS BROKEN! no beta after CoD4 warrants day-1 glitches and exploits which lead to cheating, and not to mention connection errors for a certain platform which have left gamers who willingly pay $60 for the game frustrated! yeah, sure they were fixed afterwards but shouldn't this kind of things sorted out before release?....not to mention for a franchise as huge as CoD?
You just said pretty much everything people REALLY have problems with in the franchise. It's not that they're bad games. They've just improved less than any other series out there in the past four years. People will bring up yearly sports games as a comparison, but Madden 12 or NBA 2K12 or FIFA 12 is considerably different from their iterations four games ago.
i know halo doesnt improve much. but what if ms had another developer make halo games along side bungie? every year a new halo. would you like it? hell no. and the biggest damn joke will be treyarchs next black ops ,or whatever next year. cmon man! i honestly think if it was just infinity ward making them all this time and activision didnt dictate the franchise, i would be playin mw3 right now. its a shame something i loved so much got ruined. thats what makes me bash it. people that dont realize this are morons
except its not terrible at all. It is merely a good game, and it is great for fans of COD. It is not amazing, revolutionary, or mind blowing. But it also doesnt suck, isnt a bad game and isnt broken. This is my first COD game since cod4, so maybe Im having fun with it because I havent had a COD game for 4 years now. But the fact remains, IW created a game for their fans and not the haters who would hate it anyways because they dont even play it.
It's OK, but for me it's $60 for a sequel that's lower quality than the original (MW1) that came out 4 years ago. Therein lies the rage. It's like The Godfather Part III. Is it decent? Sure. But relative to the first two, it's terrible.
@Poopface the 2nd They wouldn't be haters if they corrected the problems which made people hate it to begin with, which is lack of dinosaurs.
The mp in this game is terrible. I haven't tried single or spec ops. If I were to grade on mp alone I would give it a 7. The maps are the smallest ever and there are so many choke points. At least the killstreaks arent so op.
The issue IMHO is actually that the maps provide TOO MANY alternate ways to get around. Combined with the awful random spawning, which feels like something from a 15 year old FPS and easily worse that that in any other CoD, it turns every match into nothing more than a glorified water-balloon fight in the front yard. There are NO tactics in this game...
Yeah MW3 kinda sucks,anyone else feel Black ops was a better game then MW3 between the two,Now I think COD4 is still the best one but between Blops and MW3 I felt Blops MP was better anyone else feel this way ? It's like Blops took away some of the noobieness,and quick scoping crap away and MW3 brought it back.
i wonder what amazing innovations the next battlefield game will bring. its just a matter of time before they too start to recycle the same things.
Maybe, but the gameplay is already years ahead of CoD in terms of refinement. The scale is bigger, there is destructibility, there are vehicles. These are things that could be expanded on and would have a big impact on gameplay. All CoD can seem to do these days is nitpick the killstreaks. CoD needs to get out of the old school small-scale "Doom" mindset. Also, the refusal to address issues like the 800ms lag and the quickscoping *BUG* doesn't help their cause.
This article is quite decent.. Read the concluding paragraph, it talks about how gaming journalists seem to have different views on this game compared to users/players.
WTF!? why is it hated? Because activision just recycled MW2 I done with call of duty no more money for these greedy POS
If we no longer want to put up with expansion pack type games, we need to stop buying the game. But that's not going to happen, atleast not until the general public wakes the F up.
what?? E.T is the most hated game!! the nerves...
Haha! The average COD fan being about 12 years old, will have no idea what you are talking about. Nice reference.
hehe i only speak to the relevant gamers
Why did you have to remind me about that? *finds a blunt object to commit suicide by sodomy*
I actually just ran into a copy of that E.T. Game at an antiques store for $2 and almost bought it but just couldn't convince myself to do it.
I hate it cuz it's nothing but a copy and paste job.And it overshadows other games that devs have worked on for 2+ years.
MW3 was worked on for 2 years as well.... Can't you at least troll coherently....
that's why he said 2+ years...And I agree totally. Too bad 9 million noobs don't. I hope to god developers and publishers realize that their game can never attain this level of hype and addicted fanbase and stop trying to mcdonaldize (COD formula) their games and franchises. They are too focused on doing that rather than actually making refreshing games.
Imagine if more developers did just what COD does.. Releasing game after game year after year with minimal changes. The fact that COD sells more than any other game on the market just fuels Activision so they don't think they are doing anything wrong. They prefer to make money instead of games. They made that one game four years ago so I am still waiting for something new.
if any other games adapting some of CoD's formula and still manage to execute them perfectly, they will be slayed with "CoD clone" label and got marked down to 6/10 or 7/10 easily by reviewers but when CoD does it every year, it's 9/10!just to show that some reviewers review games by name and hype, not the content!
"MW3 was worked on for 2 years as well.... Can't you at least troll coherently...." Can you at least comprehend coherently? He said: "it overshadows OTHER games that devs have worked on for 2+ years." The word "other" would indicate that MW3 is included in the mix of games that had a 2+ year development cycle. Modern Warfare 3 is a very weak attempt at a "new" game. Barely anything is new about it. If you love it, great! But think about it for a second. If you loved the other CoD games, what makes MW3 better? Is it the new 25 kill perk? Are there extra weapons you enjoy? Are there new game modes or locations? Now think about this. . . Wouldn't those types of improvements usually come in a DLC pack?
Majin...you've made your disdain for CoD obvious over these past couple of days...We get it.
so in other words, Iw created a game that is for their fans and not the haters that dont play it and want something else. And you are upset because other people enjoy it and don't play the games you would like them to instead. Id hate to break it to you but I have a feeling that if COD didnt sell so much you would just complain about another game that sells alot, probably halo or something Im going to bet. Edit-- haha bads what I dont get is how do you people make stuff up like that. Please show me some examples where people ripped games that were actually good for being COD clones and gave them 6s and 7s, and I dont mean pull them out of your butt, show me. But that would be a legitimate complaint even if it was true why? BECAUSE other devs following the COD formula means that they didnt stick to their own formula of their own game series. Cod following ITS OWN FORMULA is called pleasing fans and creating a Sequel to an established franchise. Just like nintendo didnt copy the mario formula, they simply continued to use it. If other devs want to try and copy the formula and fail it isnt nintendos fault or problem. just like it isnt Iw and COD fault or problem if another series tries and fails to copy the COD formula. But I find it funny that you people dont understand the difference between a developer following their own formula and producing a good(I DIDNT SAY GREAT DONT CRY)
COD yes, Halo yes, BF3 no, Mortal Kombat no, Alan Wake, no and the list can continue.......
"Cod following ITS OWN FORMULA is called pleasing fans and creating a Sequel to an established franchise." That's a perfect way to put it. Infinity Ward set out to give the fans what they want and (by the sales) it looks like they succeeded. I'm actually glad they didn't change the winning formula. You don't go and change the Big Mac and you don't go and change CoD. It stays relatively the same on PURPOSE. By the way... Uncharted 3 is almost exactly the same as Uncharted 2 except with a few different maps, but you don't see people complaining about recycled stuff there do you?
Ye I agree, look at Dark Souls, 2 year development, and such an amazing masterpiece.
mw3 is a fun game, id buy it for $20.00 though because its like modern warfare 1.
I rented it from GameFly and the MP is pretty good. It's a lot more COD4 than BLOPS and I like that. I'll play a little more to see how it goes but I really like it so far. The campaign is a copy and paste job from every other COD game. It's well done, but there is a been-there-done-that feeling when playing it.
"It's a lot more COD4 than BLOPS" I haven't played MW3 yet, but I have a hard time believing that from watching like 7 hours of livestream gameplay footage and hearing how much faster the game is than mw2 is and how quickly you get killed. I'll wait until my friend gets it though, see if that's true or not.
If dying quickly isn't your things you shouldn't even look at this game. But COD4 was pretty much the same. The game is faster, but what turned me off of the last 3 games seems to have been rolled back. I don't mind the fast pace at all and a lot of the cheap shit on the other games has been taken out. Well, I haven't run into it yet, but that doesn't mean it's not there. So far I like it, but that may change as I get into it. The same thing happened for me with MW2; I liked it than people started getting cheap and I stopped playing it. I'll just have to wait and see.
@ RememberThe357 I would have to disagree a little with your comment. I don't think Cod4 was the same at all. In cod4 Between the map layouts and spawn points you had a good sense of where the action was, what direction enemy fire would come from etc and if you were fast with a sharp aim, you could really do some damage and live to fight another day. Noobs who could not handle it balled their eyes out and we got the most ridiculous spawn and map layouts instead. You literally kill one guy and the next guy is right behind you or to the side of you and you were looking at that very same spot not even half a second before. Also the speed of character movement was just a little bit slower in Cod4 which in my opinion was just right. Now they move so fast (even though lightweight was taken out) they look like they are on crack. Cod4 you could move round the map a lot more and still get a really good KD. MW3 you have to camp hard and even then it's not easy because the guy you just killed just re-spawned on your left or at your back.
Wow wow wow wow...No way is MW3 like COD4 are you serious..Go play COd4 right now and you will find that it is nothing like it.MW3 plays more like MW2 then then it dose COD4.Mw3 is way too fast.
If gamers and users screwed with any other game score like this nobody would probably touch the game. People are still buying this game and it has broken records. Even if you disagree with it or hate it- it is still a success. But clearly, things aren't going as smoothly as they would like. This is actually entertaining to watch unfold as they are now truly getting some flak that has been a long time coming from those who absolutely hate the series.
1. Overexposure. 2. Overrated. COD has been mediocre at best for the last few years and the series hasn't earned the acclaim being thrown it's way recently. 3. No progress. Same ole s**t, just a different year.
its turning into a sport game , new game every year , basically the same thing if activison was smarter they would just update the game with DLC/expansion pack, but why lose out on all that money that they know they can make off all these suckers
Since the original MW. The game hasn't progressed enough to warranty the $65 price tag. Let alone asking for it year after year. Not sure how long its going to take activision to actually create a proper sequel to MW.
I'm afraid that will never happen since the original IW is not there anymore they are what made cod4 so fun so it's all now at Respawn Entertainment can't wait to see there game. @Garos well said man bub+ on the house.
And what exactly would a "proper" sequel have to offer? I always see people criticize, but rarely do I see anyone come up with any ways to push the series forward to the point where they would deem it a worthy sequel.
Probably because there are so many better games that deserve the hype and . Personally, I don't like Activision at all, and it's disappointing to say the least, seeing people give them money for the same product every year.
its the most hated because true gamers appreciate progress and attempts to please us as gamers. cod does none of the above. they overcharge us for a game (which in my opinion is quite fun) that hasnt progressed at all over the years, using same game engine same textures same everything. its the same reason i dont buy games like fifa , pro evo on a yearly basis. when i see no attempt for improvements or actual care in a product then i feel cheated especially when the prequel has sold way too many copies and the company doesnt seem like its suffering during these tough economic times
"True" gamers also appreciate fun and MW3 is exactly that. I played it for about seven hours tonight. I'm about half way through the campaign, and while there's nothing truly new as far as features go, it's a hell of a lot of fun and so far, it's easily the best campaign of the series in my opinion. And I spent another four hours playing split-screen Spec Ops, a mode that has only appeared in one other CoD and is some of the best co-op out there. People seem to always overlook that mode yet it's one of the best features of the series. I didn't even get to Survival mode today. I played that for and hour or two yesterday and it's one of the best horde-style modes out there. I don't see why people need to constantly hate on it for a lack of innovation when other devs are still borrowing ideas from CoD4 to improve their multiplayer modes. That, and the series still offers up far more gameplay and variety than almost any other games. The game offers four distinct modes, more maps than any other game these days offers, and ton of match types. Innovation is really the only thing the game has struggled with the past few years, but I see no reason to treat it like it's the epitome of everything that is wrong with gaming when the game remains fun and still manages to offer a huge assortment of content. Hell, I'm not even sure how they would "innovate" or whatever it is people expect from them. Nobody else seems to know either since people seem to constantly bash the game without offering up any ideas they'd like to see.
sorry man no where in my post did i say that its not a fun game. and yes i agree with you that innovation isnt the epitome of everything that is wrong with cod. my "hate" for the this game and the series stems from activision themselves. i see no reason why i should pay 5-10£ extra for cod titles more than the release of any other new game that i purchase.plus cod has made millions and millions of dollars off the franchise and have given abosolutely nothing back to its regular hardcore fanbase. instead what people get is overpriced map packs which (correct me if im wrong)is the most expensive from all other map packs ive seen. other games ive purchased (not all) have given me some freebies in terms of dlc and they havent sold a fraction of what cod has. havent said that i havent played mw3 yet but i eventually will do and i will not buy first hand. as i dont deem activision worthy of my cash. the next fps ill buy will be battlefield 3 and thats due dice at least trying to change their game with a new engine. anyways game on and im glad your enjoying your purchase
I didn't mean to imply you didn't think it was fun. You actually said it was fun in your original post. I'm just saying I think that's what should be valued above all else, and that people seem to focus overwhelmingly on the negatives rather than the positives. For example, map pack pricing. I can understand you not liking map packs being on the expensive side (although they seem to come with more maps than other DLC packs). I don't buy them. But on the other hand, they are entirely optional, and the main CoD game comes with more maps, game modes, and match types than any other game. To me, that's treating your customers well. I can't think of any other game that offers 16 maps. Killzone 3, Uncharted 3, Crysis 2, Gears of War 3... all of them have around 8-10 maps. Hell, four of U3's maps are just repeats from the U2 DLC. Even if those games offered a free map or two, they still wouldn't come close to offering the number of maps CoD offers. But far more often than not, things like that go overlooked in favor of dwelling on the negatives as justification for the hate that no other game receives. I don't understand that.
sorry buddy, If a "real gamer" doesnt like a game then they dont buy it. They dont spend a bunch of time online bashing it and making sure everyone knows how much they are not going to play it and hate it. A real gamer plays games they like and ignores what others are playing. They dont feel the need to lecture and cry when others are having fun with a game they don't believe shuold be as popular as it is. Looks like a bunch of haters and fanboys who don't and won't even Play COD are the only ones complaining. being butthurt about what others spend their money on is not how you become a "true gamer." Seems like everyone is simply pissed because they dont think COD deserves the success it gets since their favorite games are nowhere near as successful. Sorry, but none of my favorite games are anywhere near as successful as COD either, but I dont care about COD success. I still find COD to be fun, and thats why I bought MW3 as my fisrt COD since COD4. edit-- well you have proven my point. You havent even played it and seem like you hate Activision. Do you talk this negatively about all game series that you have no interest in or just COD because it sells alot?
Great read. The last point is most compelling, where he noted there should not be a disconnect between games journalists and their audiences. Often I disagree with reviews, and find myself heaping scorn on them for not identifying technical issues I see as so apparent, or glossing over major concerns I have with a particular title. But mostly they end up reflecting how I feel about a game. At the end of the day they're there to inform our decisions but not make then for us.