Does the latest update for Gran Turismo 5 put it back at the front of the grid?
Ugh, what is it with all this "vs" shit?! All it does is incite a banterfest between two opposites, leaving a big mess and some huge page views for the creator.
the sites need hits. fanboys need something to talk about. trolls need something to do on the internet. the rest of us are actually playing games not discussing which one has bigger balls.
Best 1st two posts ever.
Trolls gonna troll right?
I think this is a pretty honest recap of the multiple strengths and weaknesses of both titles, not trolling (look at the comments below for examples of trolling) In the end, the author prefers Forza 4 overall, and he stated why. That is his opinion backed up with facts that he weighed based on his opinion. But opinion is subjective, game feature lists aside. To him the advantages of Forza 4 make it a better game. Some will agree Forza 4 is better. Others will rate things differently and may very well prefer GT5. Others will be childish fanboys and say things moronic things like "GT5 is a simulator, Forza 4 is a game" (both were games when I last checked, and both were simulators too...), or "GT5 sux".
I still prefer gt over forza.
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it's a fake account with at least 40 fake account agrees.
Are you on gtp?
I am, Montrealien. But I am way to busy playing Skyrim atm and have no intress racing you, unless it's with two equal rating cars on high speed ring since I stopped playing GT5 10 levels because I realize I had been playing the same game for the past 10 years. what do you say?
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Who gives a shit. They are both good games!
'put it 'back' in front'? it was never overtaken
I was going to say that. While Forza is great the trashing of GT was just to see a giant fall but it didn't work.
why do people pretend to not know why gt5 fell behind? hmmm lets see, the only disappointing launch after many years of development besides Duke Nukem Forever. Forza 4 had a much better launch in comparison. And before you get butthurt and try to blame "biased" reviews, remember, the previous Gran Turismos had alot better receptions than GT5 and have higher review scores. That being said, 2.0 is a big improvement
How does that line go...... "Whatever you're smoking, I want some!" And I don't even smoke.
I like both of them, but Forza 4 is better in my opinion.
And that's totally ok, everyone should pick their favorite and not try to convince others it should be theirs favorite. Respect.
Wow, that's a mature comment on N4G, did I just read right?
For a thread that has both "IGN" and "VS" in it the "mature" is strong in these comments.
So did this video just say that GT5 is the better driving game but forza is better overall?
Yup, which is why I prefer GT over Forza. I don't care a out cosmetics, but gameplay. Sure there are some issues with GT, but its minimal when you care about the feel and racing. I race with a bunch of guys online, and I may be near the middle of the pack, or worse, but it just feels right. To each there own, I guess.
then you will prefer forza, the force feedback is miles better on forza and so is the racing. I fing gt has no force feedback its just heavy, with a few rumbles and jolts when you hit something, I play with a fanatec gt2.
I pick Forza. Turn10 have done a great job on making each Forza better and better.
i have to agree that they have made every Forza game better, but that's not the nature of this article. once again it suggests that Forza in some way overtook GT even without dynamic weather, day and night cycles, less tracks, less cars, no carting, no customised tracks, no 3D and graphics that are not quite as realistic as GT. i really fail to understand how the heck it overtook
it overtook it (although in the critics eyes it has been in the lead since Forza 1, with every Forza game in the series scoring higher on metacritic than every GT since its release) because its a better game in nearly every way, thats how. its handling model is superior in many peoples opinions, its graphics are consistent and better 90% of the time, its online is FAR better, it actually HAS an online community, and its user interface is night and day better than GTs. you people act like weather/day-night/3d are REQUIRED, yet you didnt care when GT1-4 didnt have them? lol. Every one of those things you listed in GT5 brought NOTICEABLE downfalls with them, some of which include: - Dynamic Weather: horrible water on the windscreen effects, like someone took to it with the spray can in paint. horrible blocky and aliased effects from the water spray. - Day/Night cycles: the dynamic lighting engine is DIRECTLY responsible for the blocky, flickering, and terrible looking shadows. Forza has less cars, but it has MORE current generation cars by a factor of about 2.5:1. Forza has roughly the same number of tracks actually, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM is from this generation. about 3-4 in GT5 look good, the rest are upscaled PS2 tracks. No customised tracks? whoopee, in GT5 you can choose some pre-determined sections on plain looking settings and sticky tape them together. great. No carting? lol, carting sucks in GT5 IMO. the graphics are horrible, and the whole 2 tracks are just boring and make it an excercise in pointlessness IMO. 3D is a gimmick this generation, dont need it and dont want it. GT5 paid for all its inclusions by being unfinished, sloppy, and never having a perfect 60fps/0% tearing for more than 3-4 seconds in a row whereas forza maintains it 100% of the time.
The weather and day and night cycles are all nice additions but just cosmetic. Forza 4 has enough cars. Gt5 does have more but most of them were ported over from the ps2 which I find very unacceptable. At launch, Forza 4 had more premium cars than GT5. Carting and Nascar is also a nice lil extra but I don't care for it. I don't have a 3D tv. And the graphics are subjective. I think Forza 4's graphics are top notch running at a smooth frame rate. I love the crash physics, the tweaks, and the customization that you can do to your ride than taking your custom ride to the robust online community. I'm not sure what GT5 2.0 has changed but hopefully they fixed the premium/standard ratio. Having a Ford Focus as a premium car and some of the best cars in the world as standard is just laziness.
If you think weather/day/night are just cosmetic, you've never actually attempted to race in them. Reduced visibility changes how you approach everything, you have less control in the rain. That's not GT5, that's any SIM game. Anyway, I've had this out so many times on here, weather and day time are part of racing, but because Forza doesn't do it, it somehow suddenly doesn't matter, even though every other sim racing game does do it. Plus, IHateYouFanboys, while not dynamic, the other games DO have night races, see every Special Stage Route race. Turn 10 simply aren't even competing with PS1 iterations of GT on this. Not having to deal with dynamic lighting is the only reason that Forza doesn't have blocky shadows, because the engine is doing so much less work.
Pirate, valid points about the weather and would be a nice addition but it doesn't bother me that it's not. I can't accept the fact that the majority of GT5 is ported over from the ps2. They had more than enough developing time to make a great GT5. I would of preferred if they didn't waste their time on the cart racing and added a few more premium rides. Your comment about Forza 4 competing with Gt1 is not valid whatsoever. In the end, both games have their own pro's and con's. Just leave it at that.
Sorry, double post
IHateYouFanboys pretty much nailed it. I don't see why people suddenly think night racing and carting are the new standard by which we judge racing simulators while ignoring every other lackluster feature in the game: be it last gen graphics on both cars and tracks, horrid AI, car bumper physics, terrible UI, lacking online features, and an overall feeling of an unfinished game overall. If weather and carting these are what some people here are looking for in a "proper" racing simulator, why don't they just stick to Project Gotham Racing for much better whether effects and night racing or Mario Kart for a much more fun carting experience? Both are better then GT and Forza in these aspects.
To those complaining about Night/wheather in GT5, especially IHATEYOUFANBOYS... It's being 4 fucking Forza games and still doesn't feature any of that, for Christ's sake, that doesn't take a genious of a developer to add it to the game.... Stop bringing your lame excuses to defend Forza, because I admit GT5 fucked up, so why can't Forza? Stop defending Forza because it's on your console of choice!!!! In everyday life you see cars driving around rain & snow, in racing events, there's night and weather effects, guess what???? they don't give a fuck, they go for it cause they see that as a challenge to prove to everyone how good they are as racing drivers, & I don't see anything wrong with that, I bet you guys will go "hallelujah" if it was included in Forza and how "better" is it than in GT5!!!!! You dudes don't find anything other than say the word "better"... You fanboys, & critics are backing Forza because it's a Microsoft game with the bigger pockets, dismiss the flaws & give em a free pass, also because they always seem to talk about GT to distinguish themselves from other racing games..... NFS Shift developers & Codemasters talked about competing with Gran Turismo, why not Forza, cause they don't care about Forza.... Forza is better in every aspect than GT5 because you guys & critics want to, since GT5 is a Sony IP, critics find every way to bring it down, as the owner of both consoles, I recognize Forza as a good racing series, but at this moment, it ain't greater than GT5 & other racing games!!!! @-Humbleopinion- What's wrong with you bringing childish & easy Mario Kart to the subject, not necessary!!!!
Can someone give me a list of things that are better in Forza? cause this video didn't help at all, all he did was talk about all the things that GT5 was better at and then said that Forza 4 is the better game??? I played the Forza 4 Demo, and to me it's plays like NFS Shift.
i know what you mean, im a gt fan here.
To me they both have their strength & weaknesses. Namely GT5's sometimes jagged shadows & Foza's 12 car offline limit. Personaly I don't like the way Forza's outside view shows more of a cars topside than necessary.
Depends what you want, a simulator or just straight entertainment? Gran Turismo 5 is a much better simulator.
Only weaknesses forza has are: -no weathers -no nighttime -inaccurate tracks width -dumb AI -weak car color And yet reviewer praised the game more than GT? Ok that's just one person out of billion of people
Pssst... http://www.metacritic.com/g... There's not 77 billion people in this world ;)
Both games are great,its just comes down to driving style preferred.I prefer forza but my friend prefers gt5 so its down to personal preference.
Forza 4 is a clone of gt5 how could forza 4 would be better if fully copied from gt5 even the ui looks the same .They can copy everything but not the physics to copy physics u have to get algorithm from polyphony which not gonna happen. what does turn 10 knows about racing and cars whereas kaz is the racing driver himself polyphony makes racing game from heart because they know about racing and cars where as turn10 just copy. enough said
if forza really is the king of racers, why is forza review scores dropping? looking at sales, it sold 880 000 thousand units in 3 weeks which is more than 5 times less than gran turismo 5 did in its first 3 weeks? And forza 4 sales are less than forza 3 sales after 3 weeks? Without bundling forza does not even come close to gran turismo
That's cause forza 4 was released to early. All it needed was a 2.0 update like gt5. fools keep buying updates and expansion packs at $60... Forza 3 was still a good game, no need for a new release. Forza 12 will be out by the time gran turismo 6 comes out.
Changing weather and day/night cycles are just as much a part of racing as the cars themselves. Anyone in here ever watch real racing?? Lol some of the comments stating dynamic weather and day/night cycles are useless or not needed are laughable. Someone mentioned its all 'cosmetic' LMAO. Go tell that to the F1, Le Mans and many other professional racing drivers out there. GT5 cant be beat in the one thing that matters the most, the driving. Other areas of the game are not up to par IMO.
WRC always race in different conditions. Today I saw Loeb win again, and they raced in night, rain, dawn, dusk, noon. It's all dynamic and not just perfect conditions. It's stupid no one got mad Forza didnt have it, but hate on gt for other things it doesn't have, like Livery editor.
The cars in Forza 4 don't sound like vacuum cleaners and the racing aspect of the game is fun instead of nauseating.
When i want a good fun arcade like racer that i can just pick up, I pick up forza over the competition. When I want a real driving experience (as close to real as a game can get) I pick up gran turismo.
The cars in Forza 4 don't have the right colors (See the F40) and the racing aspect of the game is arcadey instead of simulator-like. Oh, and I can't race in the rain, or off-road, or at night. Oh, and instead of regular patches to improve the game, I'll instead be given DLC to buy.
Forza is better in almost every aspect. Have you seen those not premium cars in GT5? Those are PS2 graphics. And the sound... Looool. This thread is full of GT5 fanboys, so every pro-Forza comment gets 'Disagreed', but I don't care. I say what I want. Forza 4 is the better game. Looking forward to the GT5 fanboys that are going to disagree.
I don't know about you but It's not always sunny in Philadelphia when I play GT5? We all know that some game designers always try to outdo themselves. Would you want Forza5? to only have better graphics than it's predecessor and nothing else improved? Have you ever drove you car through the woods with only your headlights to light your way? Have you ever cruised down the interstate only to have the whether change from a sunny sky to a rain storm in less than a minute.? Have you ever had to changed oil in your car so it could run smoothly and not lose power? In a way you could say ****** brings us closer to those kind of life experiences.
the cars (premium) on GT5 look better more perfect on Forza the real detail are not that perfect, the sound on Forza are better the courses on GT5 are better more real, Forza has more options like swap engines parts and wheels, GT5 feels like a real simulator more challenging, Forza more arcade more of the same, overall i prefer GT5 any day, right now im playing Forza 4, i just love cars
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