OXM UK: "When you spend most of your free time trying to squeeze in sessions with as many games as possible, it's not unusual to find yourself fiddling around with some catastrophically duff products. Worse than that though, are the game-breakers: titles that left me with a faintly fuzzy afterglow that I couldn't quite shake."
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...You hate Super Meat Boy for behaving like meat? I do not understand your logic. You hate the game because it accomplishes what it's trying to accomplish?
I do not understand your logic. If a game sets out to be a horrible game and succeeds in its goal, then should you appreciate and enjoy it for being absolutely terrible. No. The developers did achieve what they set out to accomplish and I respect them for doing that. But the end product happens to not suit my personal tastes and thus I do not enjoy it. I do not HATE Super Meat Boy. I just don't like it.
It is all personal preference and I am not going to give someone a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card just for doing what they meant to.
However, it sounds like personal preference, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Im level 200 and i still dont feel like ive mastered it.
Agreed. I platted the game a few days ago and I can confidently claim to have mastered PvE (I did complete it 4 times by now though, and contribute to the wikispace page). I'm getting into PvP pretty seriously now though, and it's a whole other game, and I definitely wouldn't say I've mastered that for a while--if ever.
Right now I'm trying to see if I can find ways to tell which pyro spell my opponent is casting. My build is focused on parries and backstabs, and most of the time when I see someone casting a pyro spell it's a golden opportunity to get a bs on him. But now I keep getting hit *behind them* by greater combustion, so I need to learn how to tell that spell apart from the others.
There's always going to be details like this in PvP that will keep me from claiming I've mastered the meta-game.
Edit: just read the article (I know... should do that before posting!) and it didn't sound like he really meant master. More like "conquer."
Well Ninja Gaiden 3 is on the way so hack & slash fans can look forward to that.
I agree with your initial statement, but switch GoW3 with NGS2.
Bayo + NGS2 + DMC4 = best action games this generation. Hell, probably the best games this generation.
The fighting mechanic in those games really ruin my experience with game like GoW3 or games with similar fighting mechanic like Castlevania:LOS or Dante Inferno.
id trade out
bayo for Batman AC ( genre defining game imo )
ME2 for ME1
add in Castlevania SOTN ( PS1 ) since it defined what a side scroller should be for me
Toss in Uncharted for setting the standard for story presentation
Add in Halo 2 for defining what online multi on consoles should be ( and imo still has the best multi maps )
also keeping COD for taking it a step further by adding depth witht he perk/weapon attachment system
the rest of the list stays as it is quite good
but thats just my opinion....
Isn't it the other way around now? Games used to be hard and hard work, and now they are accessible and fun.
Are you joking? Games today are FAR easier than the games of the past. So much so that it's a novelty when a challenging game is released.
Same for Mario, Nintendo wouldnt exist!
They should have been mentioned. Also, still nothing offers the 4 player sandbox co-op gaming of Halo.
@WrAiTh
How about both of 'em? :)
Vanquish was boring as a cover-shooter, dysfunctional as a close-up and personal style (thanks to the energy meter idiotically being a part of everything, including a quick-drain when delivering a punch).
Ummmm maybe you don't like the Ninja Gaiden/DMC type of action games then. When it came to Bayonetta, the combat was AWESOME and intense. Its gonna be hard to top how damn near perfect it plays.
"The story was a little too over the top for my tastes"
WOW ya think? Its a game by Platinum Games. If you don't like their style then just stay away. Some people like the over the top style that doesn't take themselves to serious. (Pro Tip: Stay away from Lollipop Chainsaw)
EDIT - To each there own. IMHO I think (and many others) Bayonetta's combo system is way deeper than Ninja Gaiden and DMC, and I love those games. What you could do was insane. As far as "It was easily one of the worst stories from a video game I have ever seen", its a game that is not to be taken as serious like God of War or anything like that. Its over the top on purpose.
I disagree with Paz's assessment that Bayonetta plays perfectly. Bayonetta doesn't play perfectly it plays easily. If you wan't perfection play Ninja Sigma on Master Ninja mode, that's what perfect looks like.
I don't get the love for this game either,
It was painfully cheesy,
the action was good, not revolutionary by any means.
It was easily one of the worst stories from a video game I have ever seen, (and there are a lot of bad ones!)
on topic "I always wanted to be a bald headed space marine."
God of War III in my opinion was the better game. The art direction, voice acting and atmosphere is unmatched in the genre. Meanwhile, Bayonetta's combat system is the absolute perfection of action combat.
The defense system is too weak. It had bullet-time, that's what I've called it since Max Payne.
The combo system is too simple. Every combination of button presses is a combo.
That combines for a game that is too easy. I beat the game without learning a single combo.
Put at least 12 hours into the game..
But just lost all interest...
And damn did I hate that cheesy music during the fight scenes.
I'll take Ninja Garden any day over that pile of cheese
EDIT: i must note though that devil may cry3 is the best game ive ever played and still play today. my fav game till now.
It was, thats my opinion too, I didnt like that game it felt ... not fun to me.
However, God of War III is the better game. It had a better story, and completed the character cycle of the anti-hero Kratos. It's presentation was mesmerizing. The art-style was to die for and there was far more subtelty to the dialog and events that offered much to philosophy and psychology. God of War III is relevant beyond belief. The parallels astound, drawing upon abstraction in the form of suffering (how we all cause our own suffering).
Bayonetta doesn't offer any of this. Well, maybe a crazy art style, but that's it. And there's also the epic music of God of War.
Opinions are NOT facts. Please learn the difference.
If he were to say highest complexity and depth, then yes, he would be correct. Whether or not everything else is something people prefer...
Bayonetta's combat is pure gold, but it's story/characters/everything else is a bit out there and not terribly accessible.
Of course, Bayonetta is also a lot easier than NG, so it's possible to breeze through the game button-mashing without noticing all of the extra fancy moves.
I also played the demo and thought, ok I guess...and thats why we have review to tell you how good a game is
and to the person that thinks GOW3 had better gameplay than Bayonetta!!? No!!
@NeoBasch
completely, agree GOW3 is overall the better game, mainly because its atmopsheric and isnt weird like bayonetta is, or have awful diagloue or convoluted story. I mean you have to say..'well its japanese' (but thats its charm) but in terms of gameplay GOW3 falls quite a bit short of bayonetta
Bayonetta gameplay in terms of hack and slash is pretty much perfection
The characters, story and that godawful music put me off.
People who enjoy the kitsch/camp humour would like the game a whole lot more, but it's just not for me.
Way overrated - I would give it 6/10 on a good mood day.
Mega mucho combos mean squat to me when they're hooker boots coming out of the sky, hair dragons and bum butterflies. Yeah seeing Sarah Palin nekkid ruined gaming a little, but not in the way the article seems to think.
hazardman - Yeah.. I know.
My choices would probably be the "Souls" games by From (incredible games) and Mario and Zelda (with the exception of Okami from Clover) platforming and adventure franchises. Much of this is simply due to the incredible talent and creativity behind those series. Also, the level of polish they put into those games is impeccable.
CoD 4 is more difficult for me to include because of what DICE's work since CoD 4. Although it was fantastic when it was released, the genre has hardly been stagnant since then; rather, I'd argue DICE's multiplayer in BF games has surpassed CoD 4. Some BF fans might argue that BF has always been the superior online multiplayer FPS franchise.
"Nothing in the genre since has stood up under the comparison."
Trololo except like 3 months later...
"OXM"
ah ok nevermind.
It easily overthrew GoW as hack and slash goodness. Any game where you play ping pong with a missile or punch a god boss in the face mid sentence is damn awesome.
would really like a part 2 to this game and Vanquish.
You say that Bayonetta over GOW as hack and slash goodness and then in the next sentence give Bayonetta props for punching a god....
You don't see the irony in that?
Kratos the the undisputed king god-abuse. He has run out gods. People are saying that they can't make another GOW game because there aren't any gods left.
Bayonetta impressed you when she punched what god that was in her game.
there was a boss fight in bayonetta where this huge angelic/god like boss was giving a speech about whatever and bayonetta punches him in the face mid sentence...i dont know if i can explain it any better if u havent played the game. The humor and action was way over the top and that's what i loved about it.
kratos can still mess with the norse, egyption, japanese, india, mayan, etc., etc., gods. there's plenty of gods left.
Anyone feel the same with this game?
I bought it on the 360 and it runs beautifully on 720p 60fps. Don't let the demo fool you, the game has a lot of insane moments that's just way over-the-top. Combat is a lot of fun and in some moments, reminds me of epic set pieces of ninja gaiden.
I mean, look at his extremely impressive resume which such as:
Director of Resident Evil 2, Okami, Devil May Cry and Viewtiful Joe.
No offense, though. I don't blame others for liking it. And I love DMC, Okami and respect the people behind the game.
Reason #2 he's just a fanboy is that there is a COD game on the list... each new COD game is the same as the last except for a slightly different campain, and new multi-player maps/weapons...Black Ops looks like it was made for my dusty ps2...
Reason #3 he's just a fanboy is that Skyrim is on this list... Don't get me wrong, I love Skyrim and I think it's gonna be awesome,but putting it on such a list before it even comes out is just stupid, at least wait untill it comes out so that you can justify it....
You play a really good game which leaves you feeling amazed, wonderful, and just plain good... well, it can be tricky follow that act up.
I can only agree with Skyrim
The cold hard truth
Anyway, I think Bayonetta and Devil May Cry would be a much better comparison.
The list is as subjective as your opinion though. There are a couple that I don't agree with, but everyone has their taste. Probably best not to force your opinion on others though.
No.
Cold hard opinion is more like it.
Like many here i thought the game what utter shit and slammed it but i was exceptionally wrong. The trouble is that people don't back down from their opinion on things. Despite the game being accepted by media generally that it was exceptional, people for the most just didn't gell to the theme and as a result offer what are ill opinions now
Yes the general theme ie characters, music and story may not do it for some of you lot, but to write it off as shallow or not particularly revolutionary shows just how very little you know of the game
DMC3 is pretty tricky at first before you get into the swing of things. I'd wager a large number of individuals didn't give it a fair shake due to that.
You could've saved yourself 3 paragraphs if you'd just stopped there.
Could've also added weird enemies, gimmicky anime combat and an overly sexualised lead that still somehow finds a way to be revolting. Just cuz they got 1 spice right, didn't stop the game from tasting like cheese.
One game that immediately comes to mind when I think of ruining other games is Starcraft, and I'm shocked that it wasn't included at all. I have never been able to play another RTS without referring back to the original SC, and even as good as SC2 is, I still find myself longing for many aspects of the original.
Whatever the case, bravo for creating a better list than the all too common "Top 10 best most awesomest nonsense we've heard too many times".
To me Mass Effect 2 is the perfect action RPG and the type of game I used to dream about playing back when I was grinding through Phantasy Star II on my old Genny back in the day.
As far as past generations as others have mentioned I would go with these games :
Super Metroid = the perfect 2-D action platformer
Starcraft = the perfect RTS game
Dead Space = the perfect 3rd person shooter/horror game (single player)
God of War III = the perfect hack n slash game.
Metal Gear Solid 4 = the perfect espionage spy thriller / kicks ass in all types of ways game
These games did not "ruin" gaming. they just made it so that every other game in the same genre will always be compared to them and rarely meet expectations.
I would add FF6 or Chrono Trigger to that list as well.
Bayonetta felt good because it had such a fluent luid combat system. Over the top moves being chained together smoothly in a crisp way. It was great.
But no game makes you feel the power of your attacks like ninja gaiden. When you play NG you are not on button mash auto pilot, the moves are really your doing them. When you pull off that air grab spinning drop salm thats like 3-4 different actions you are doing to make that happen. Each waepon has a true feel to it, NG is actually a really great series. I think it doesnt get enough props.
And Dark Souls? Great game but way to screw over the game that started it all.
Do I remember right that the framerate issues got patched later with PS3 version, or are they still there? Not a big deal, but would be nice to know.