With the first Profile 1.1 Blu-ray player hitting store shelves, Hi-Def Digest's Joshua Zyber breaks down and explains what all these "Profiles" really mean for consumers.
Hope the PS3 can be updated to 1.1!!!;)
it was with firmware 2.0
my question is, ain't the ps3 already a profile 2.0?
PS3 is still at 1.0 profile. It is NOT 1.1 nor 2.0 profile.
It was stated that it will be 1.1 compliant, yet no word on 2.0 yet. Let's not spin more FUD now guys...
This whole profile upgrade by buying new hardware wasn't done on purpose and it probably the biggest achiles heal as I've said countless times. Blu-ray was rushed out to the market faster than HD DVD, but HD DVD made sure that their specs were finalized, meaning ALL players would be capable of everything the spec calls out for. Now if a stand alone offered MORE than what the spec says, fine and dandy. Until Blu-ray is at 2.0profile, it will never be on par with what HD DVD can do.
The PS3 meets all the profile 1.1 and profile 2.0 hardware requirements. Although there haven't been any official announcements, I'm sure that it will be possible to update through firmware.
The PS3 almost fits the 1.1 profile but does not fit the 2.0 profile. Speculation is that the PS3 will be able to do 1.1 with software emulation. The problem is that the 40GB PS3 won't do PS2 emulation so there most likely be issues with 1.1 on the 40GB version. I'm not giving a single nickel to Sony until I know for sure, and god forbid that Sony can't get it done. There will be a lot of upset people out there...
PS2 emulation has absolutely nothing to do with Blu-ray playback... I'm really not following your comment?
They just shot their most loyal supporters in the ass. The man that wrote the article states it best. "Personally, I find the whole notion of separate hardware Profiles needlessly confusing and not in the best interest of consumers. Whether intentionally designed that way or not, it leaves the impression that the manufacturers are trying to force existing Blu-ray early adopters into upgrading their equipment only a year into the format's life cycle, just to gain some new features that should have been included from the beginning."
Absolutely amazing... I hope they offer some trade in upgrade promotion. But in all I must say I can't wait to play with those new features on the PS3
i just saw on gameranking that Edge Magazine uk just gave mass effect a 70.
So go post your flame in one of the other many ME threads. Are you trying to be annoying or does it just come natural to you?
2.0 I could really care less about, but the lack of 1.1 disturbs me greatly.
The thing about this, is most early adopters are going to be among the most educated about their purchase. Meaning they allready knew the offerings were not 1.1 compatible, and therefore alot of them would probably buy a ps3 as its the most likley candidate available today that could be updated to 1.1 and 2.0. This would also invalidate the assumption that ps3 owners do not buy blu-ray movies, which we know allready because blu-ray is far outselling hd-dvd with much less stand alone players.
The only thing that profile 1.1 has over 1.0 that would be of interest is the PIP. However, I originaly purchased the PS3 to be a BD player as I already had a 360, and doing my research into Blue (Blu-Ray) or Red (HD-DVD), I saw longevity into blue which I did not and still do not see in Red. The PS3 was supposed to be updated to profile 1.1 with firmware 2.0, however I do not think it is in there, however, there is also supposed to be a Divx update coming in December so they may update it at that time. Personaly I have never watched or listened to the directors talk about the movie. And if I did, it was in the special features portion of the disk which WILL still play on a profile 1.0 device! Profile 1.1 only allows those features to play in a small pic during the movie. Big frigg'n deal! Even IF by the smallest of chances that the PS3 will not be updated, the movies will still play, and the features will still play, there just will not be the PIP. If some of you feel that is a deal breaker, thats cool that is your choice, I enjoy my BD greatly and everytime I look at the weeks total sales, I get a big honking smile on my face!
I agree and disagree with you. The fact that Blu-ray discs sales are curently higher than HD DVD disc sales even though there are more HD DVD standalones than Blu-ray standalones clearly indicates that the ps3 is being used as a Blu-ray player. Anecdotally, I even know someone that bought the ps3 as a Blu-ray player on release day. He hasn't nor does he seem like he will ever have a desire to play games.
The catch, however, is that disc sales are not nearly high enough to represent the ps3 install base so clearly a large portion of owners aren't using the Blu-ray functionality.
You have to think big here. There are many possibilities no one has thought of for secondary video decoders and internet conectivity. I believe every HD DVD player has a USB connection as well referenced to in the manual as 'for future use'.
Here's a coulple scenarios which use these creatively.
A movie studio hosts a 'new release' movie party and people in different houses across the world join in through web connectivity. When the studio hits play, everyone connected plays the movie simultaneously. The Studio has the director present and streams a live feed commentary to everyone which plays PIP. Back in your living room you connect a USB keyboard up to your HD player and join a live chat at the same time.
Your frineds and you have the latest music concert HD disc. On the disc is a 'rock band' special feature. You host a concert and your friends join online. Everyone plugs their 'rock band' peripherals into their hd player and when the host plays the concert you all rock along with your peripherals.
The truth is that the posibilities are limitless and in a couple of years the higher picture and sound quality on hd discs may not be the primary reason people are buying these players.
you now stand corrected.
Now, the armies of Blo-Ray fans, begin to weep.
Your last couple of paragraphs sound pretty interesting, however, I can already do that with my PS3. I already have a video chat option, and can play Rock Star with my buddies if I so desire. Also, the only 'real' problems I can see with what you wrote is...
A) Not everyone who buys a Blue or Red player is going to have high speed internet so watching the PIP of a live broadcast will not happen.
B) Not everyone is going to have a USB guitar laying around to play with their friends over a DVD player, let alone that I am sure such fancies will be limited to people who have the same model of player that you are using...the software code alone to get that to work with multiple players would be impossible...wait a min, what am I thinking, HD-DVD only has one manufacture, Toshiba. My bad, you can cross 'B' off the list.
C) When you say "The truth is that the posibilities are limitless and in a couple of years the higher picture and sound quality on hd discs may not be the primary reason people are buying these players." I sure hope you mean BOTH Blue and Red formats as the only quality difference between the two are the Hardware. A movie on Red will look just as great as it does on Blue given the hardware you are playing it on is of decent quality.
Otherwise, what you wrote was a pretty good read, if Red can stay alive long enough for all this to happen, it will be pretty interesting indeed.
Man, Josh Zyber is the biggest HD-DVD fanboy. Don't know why High-def digest got him to write the article.
Blo-Ray is on a downward spiral, thanks to massive HD-DVD player sales. Sony has no chance to retain its weekly sale dominance. Not even more BOGO sales can save their a$$e$.
Check out the below Chart Link and set the time span for 7 to 14 days:
Again, Stop buying Blo-Ray because WARNER is gonna go HD-DVD exclusive.
Here is another link of top High Definition Movies at Amazon, HD-DVD dominates:
Oh, Warner is already working with Toshiba. 300 (a warner movie) is packaged with the A3 player. Just giving you Blo-Ray fanboys a heads up. Sell your Blo-Ray movies B4 they are obselete.
Until I see HD-DVD disc sales pass up Blu-ray Disc sales I just can't believe Blu-ray is dead.
Blu-ray disc sales are so far out in front of HD-DVD in the world (The US, Europe and Japan) right now and with the cheaper 40 GB PS3 out now the numbers are going to grow more in Blu-rays favor.
HD-DVD cant keep up.
The HD-DVD group is actually giving away HD-DVD players at this point, if you include the many movies they give away with the player.
They are in the red.
It really looks bad for HD-DVD at the moment.
I am unclear what you are trying to show here, the fact that a HD-DVD is #17 and is ahead of the Blu-Ray of the same title, or that there are currently 4 HD-DVD titles to 6 Blu-Ray titles in the top 10.
Or is it that this is just from Amazon.com and does not relate to any other sites...for instance, DVD Empire is the opposit, Blu-Ray planet earth is in front of HD-DVD.
Wierd that is don't ya think? I guess that is why when people who are not blinded show total sales across all entities which put Blue in front of Red by 2:1...again...and again...and again!
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