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Interesting, I hope ME3 is way more RPG then ME2 still loved ME2 though.
I'd say both consoles are pretty much maxed out. Even naughty dog didn't do much from UC2->UC3 graphics wise. They mainly improved animations and a few minor things. Nothing drastic like UC1->UC2. That said, I'm perfectly fine with graphics as they are for the next couple years. Just improve gameplay, story etc. That works for me.
agreed but still that didn't stop uncharted 3 from being the best graphics ever on consoles according to my eyes and all the reviews and i don't think there is any thing will beat it maybe god of war 4 or the last guardian any way can't wait for ME3 edit : who ever disagree with me just tell me why you disagree and back it up with some prove or some links please
ok thanks guys for not proving any thing other than you have nothing to back up your disagrees you can continue with your disagrees like it will change a damn thing about the truth @dark-hollow i agree but still the things they have done with the engine in uncharted 3 was damn incredible @gamingdroid that's my opinion and most the reviews thats why the game is now 94% and it will go up most the reviews agree on that and you can see that when you read the reviews and so am i so it's not only my opinion
Uncharted 3 is the best looking game on consoles because uncharted 2 was tye best looking game. I love this gen but don't expect any major graphics jump above what have been done before.
maybe because you what you said is pretty much an opinion, and you can't refute opinion.... What is best looking for you might not apply to others. That said UC3 does look fantastic, although I preferred the art direction of UC2 more.
I guess you played Uncharted 3 already right?
I hope ME3 gets and uses all the updates of the enhanced UE. ME has always had great particle effects, but Gears 3 has risen the bar...
Well, I have played Uncharted 3, it has some impressive set pieces which are much more impressive then 2, but it's not a leap in the graphics department. I still se foilage getting drawn in 20 feet away from me, like in Uncharted 1 and 2. The uncharted franchise is simply incredible.
i agree that that UC3 BETA and UC2 looks very similar with small improvement but if you look at stunning UC3 retail version against UC2. then there is clear improvement. maybe not as big as UC1 to UC2, but very obvious one. Hell, even IGN announced that it is the best graphics on console.
you is saying that like its a bad thing.How about we get some exclusive 3rd party games on tha PS3.Yes ND is pushing graphics.But they are also improving animations,A.I.,H2H combat,Story,Character detail. What ND have been doing is awesome.Also credit goes too GG and MM.There are games that dont even look better then UC1. PS3 is not maxed out certain developers are showing you what can be made on this gen.I personal dont want tha PS4 anytime soon.
I don't know what kind of glasses some people wear when they play video games... on topic: another console x or y is maxed out article... ...yawn
Epic may or may not have pushed the 360 to the limit but Bioware has not. Naughty Dog may or may not have pushed the PS3 to the limit but Bioware has not. Until Bioware get into the same ballpark as the above 2 named developers they need to continue striving in that direction AS WELL AS refining gameplay and innovating mechanics. It wouldn't hurt for them to make ME3 with actual RPG mechanics rather than a providing a popcorn shooter with RPG lite thrown in as an after thought. They also need to stop building cheap trap levels. "Oh look the door locked shut/wall fell/rocks collapsed until I kill all of these spawning enemies who all look like one of 5 people."
@darkside2011 Off topic : i see disagrees but not a single thing to back it up but i will back you up with this http://www.metacritic.com/g... read the reviews and see why it's the best gfx on consoles BTW i played the game i'm in chapter 12 right now and i agree with the reviews too and it's not only IGN who give it 10/10 you know but some people in here have a hard time accepting that so they disagree just to feel better like their disagrees will change a damn thing about the truth N4G is not a pro ps3 site like every fanboy say see the disagrees in every uncharted 3 review to see what i mean and i know i will get stealth disagrees also with no one proving a damn thing too but i don't care this is the truth and those fanboys need to deal with it ON TOPIC : they mean that they maxed out their engine not ps3 or 360
Gonna probably take a couple more weeks to get to it, but I wanna see what all the fuss is about.
Enjoy man, you're in for a great game!
cant play (well, enjoy) the second game without the first.
You can enjoy the second without the first. The problem lies in the fact that 1 is waaaaay better to the non-streamlined audience.
i... think im going to buy this (:
I don't know if it's just me, but the more I read about all the stuff Skyrim is doing, the more I look at ME and other games and just wonder what it is they claim to be maxing out? When they can make the game as massive and dynamic as skyrim, then they can come back and tell me they are maxing out the consoles. if skyrim looked crap, then maybe I could understand it, but it's not even that, the game looks just as beautiful.
I think the developers mean they actually maxed out their engine to the capabilities on the hardware of each machine. That would sound a whole lot better, just saying you maxed out a console in todays day and age is just plain STUPID! But maxing out a specific engine to the machine's architecture would make A LOT more sense.
@ WitWolfy Thanks, I get what you mean. yes that does make a lot more sense. Not that it would happen but I would love to see Bethesda make a sci-fi rpg (not fallout) but more sort of ME 100 or 1000's of years in the future.
yet Mass Effect 3 still looks not that better than Mass Effect 1 if they ditch rpg and story, they at leash should polish their graphics, Gears 3 looks so much better
Man Mass Effect (1) is my favourite game ever and even I would never claim such a thing as to say ME3 looks almost the same as ME1, the differences are vast, at least from what we've seen so far.
Yeah thats a stupid claim, ME1 looks like Shi* compared to even ME2, ME1 was better game imo but still Also ME2 runs so much smooter
Yeah that was pretty much my gripe on ME2 was it felt more like a shooter. If they bring it back to ME1 where they get rid of only leveling us up after finishing a mission, that would already make a big improvement.
Gears would never run on the ps3. Dont get me wrong, sure the ps3 can handle games that looks as good, uncharted for example. What i mean is that the unreal engine favors unified ram, which is the reason why it works better on the 360.
Uncharted 3 imo looks better than gears 3. You can have your "opinion" about which one looks better but saying ps3 can't run gears is just laughable.
ps3 can handle any game on xbox but i can't say the same about xbox with games like uncharted 2-3/killzone 2-3/god of war 3 the gfx and the size is too much for xbox360 to handle and that's a BIG FAT FACT uncharted 3 is a 45gb and kz3/god of war 3 are 40gb
"What i mean is that the unreal engine favors unified ram, which is the reason why it works better on the 360" Good god Foxgod, what are you smoking? The best platform the unreal engine runs on is the PC, which does not have unified ram, it has separate CPU and GPU ram, much the same as the PS3. Only cheap PC's and laptops have unified (shared) ram like the 360 has.
Which is why UT3 showed up on the PS3 first? With the option to install mods off the web no less. How is that example completely ignored?
^^^ Just because an engine came out on a console first doesn't mean it runs better. With that said, Gears came out in '06, while UT3 came out in '07. Besides, I'd be modest in saying at least 80% of the UE3 games run better on the 360. What's the point in debating that?
Batman Arkham City and Arkham Asylum say hello... Don't talk about something that you have no clue about.
"What's the point in debating that?" Well, the fact that you're debating it for one. For another, that with the name UT3, its safe to assume that it acted as a flagship game for UE3. That given such an example, logic suggest that Gears1 could be made to play on a PS3. That the only thing stopping that from happening are legal issues, not technical one. Honestly, like kcuthbertson suggest with the Arkham games, there are too many examples to suggest that Gears could run on a PS3. How well it would work would depend on Epic, but if they could get Bulletstorm running, I don't know why they couldn't do the same with Gears.
PS3 can run everything with the super best graphics ever. /sarcasm Incapable of party chat.........
@Foxgod Not saying your wrong, but Batman PS3 looks and runs just as good as its 360 counter part, so I think developers using the Unreal engine on the PS3 found a way to make it equally good if not better. Unreal 3 might have been build with the 360 in mind, but hell PS3 is sure keeping its own when you compare the two
@darkside2011 No offence but you should stop saying fact because what you are stating is actually the rubbish the devs feed to trolls. The truth of it is Xbox could easily handle Uncharted, The file sizes are inflated heavily to reduce piracy, not because it uses 40Gb. there is no such thing as a 40Gb game because it would be HUGE. rage is currently the largest clocking around 24Gb and that is purely because of mega-meshes. Why don't MS have these games on Xbox? Because they belong to Sony, there is nothing more to it than that. If you don't think Santa Monica or Naughty Dog could optimize their games to run off a 360 then you really aren't giving them enough credit
At least mass effect 3 has more colorful and beautiful environments.. Instead of the same grey and brown tone that is Gears 3 @gamingdroid Yeah I bought it when it first came out. And yes i played it.
LOL! Gears 3 is grey and brown? Have you played the game? Clearly not! Gears 3 is very colorful and that is in fact one of the complaints I hear all the time. Personally, I prefer the destroyed beauty (read grey and brown) artistic direction in Gears 1 much more. It was very unique. ME can look a little sterile, but that is how the game world should look.
whoever said that is a idiot. plain and simple. The only thing pinning gears 3 to "gray and brown" is wallpapers in pitch black setting even someone who played gears 3 for 5 minutes can see the absolute gorgeous detail in the environment thats very very colorful.
Hahaha, i remember certain brigade members complaining about Gears being all brown. I guess in a world devastated by war and death they wanted to see more rainbows and unicorns.
so in what ways did they max out the consoles?
by spawning gazillion threads all doing Fast Fourier Transform calculations. Completely maxed out the CPU and GPU while outputting one pixel on the screen in different colors. Best graphics ever as a result of maxing out the console!!! @#[email protected]#
It dosnt really matter anymore does it?. Theres been alot of developers saying the same thing. If the developers feel that the consoles are maxed out, they might as well be maxed out. The real truth is of course that in 10 years time consoles still wont be maxed out. The truth that matters is that when the curve for "Performance gain" vs "Man hours" is too steep, then for all intents and purposes, in a world where money keeps the wheels turning, the consoles are maxed out. Oh and before anyone throws UC3 graphics in my face, dont, it would just prove you know nothing about game engines.
BioWare also claimed they maxed out the 360 with ME1. Derp. @below - True enough. ME1 did have severe framerate problems at numerous points on the 360.
yer it is possible, me1 wasnt that effiecient. -------analogy------ imagine a box and you just throw a load of shapes in there. you get some shapes in but not that many. now empty the box and start again, this time put each shape in the box one at a time and join them up with the other shapes. you will find that you can fit a lot more in. -------analogy------ mass effect 2 showed this and so will mass effect 3. both 2 and 3 will be alot more optimized.
Every time I hear "We maxed out _____" I laugh.
What's so funny about reaching a hardware limit?
Mass Effect 3 is developed for both PC, PS3 and X360. Obviously it's easier to "maxed out" if the code isn't optimized tightly for each console hardware. That's why the developers will not say they already optimized the multiplatform game for each hardware the best possible. As anything to do with marketing, look for things they don't want to bring up. That's always a reason.
I think they mean they maxed out their tech on the consoles, I'm sure if they started over they could make it even better but that takes time and money. I think that's how it is anyways, I'm sure if GG or ND started over from scratch they could make engines that are even better than what they have now just because they'd know exactly what to do and wouldn't just be adjusting code/etc in their current engines.
Oh NO! I heard this way too many times. lol SHOW it don't SAY it
It was at E3, don't you remember???
Believable.. Ofcourse they could make new engine and try to optimize it better for current hardware, but why bother this far in the current gen.. I just want good and amazing game, and amazing ending. Last time I was this excited to see how franchise ended, was when I started playing MGS4, which had TERRIBLE ending. I hope/believe ME3 won't dissapoint, 1 and 2 were solid gold.
MGS4 ending was perfect. Maybe a bit long in the tooth, but it hit all the right charachter notes. Wrapped up 20 years with a nice bow. Plot resolution, charachter catharsis and life after combat. Your expectations are wacked Kahv'. ME2 needed a DLC for the true ending/segue to ME3. It should've stood better on its own, especially since we already know from official squad gameplay trailers that Cerberus hates you in ME3 regardless of your choices to end ME2.
I know I'm in minority when talking about MGS4 ending, I actually writed quite long review about it in finnish language, but I'm too lazy to translate it here. I love all MGS games, first and third are simply one of the best games ever made. Mainpoint was I expected more "harsh" ending, seeing the trailers where Snake shot himself (or did he?), and taglines like "sacrifices" made me believe it is something epic. *Spoilers* ahead, when the part where gears where attacking the ship, and snake was crawling in microwaves to his end was going, I was pumped up, after that, it was all "yay, everybody will have fun and happy ending", and I mean everybody. Even the Fox-members who got shot before were alive, raiden got his wife, it was all hoax, and his arms back, Snake wasn't going to die, body that was burned, wasn't what they tought it was, etc, I could go on with every character... It was lame, silly, and stupid. Kojima got really lazy, or too carefull and didn't want to risk getting bad feedback with more melancolic ending. It was like "War of the worlds", not the classic, the one with Tom Cruise. Otherwise good/ok movie, but ending was so cheesy, you just wished you did not see it.. I was literally shocked when I saw that, very harsh series gets kindergarden ending, but as I stated, I'm in minority with my opinnion. Me2 had good ending imo, since we all know it will have continuation, but as you stated, DLC wrapped it up better. Tought ME1 was way better in parts of story, and had better ending, but ME2 just presented and excecuted it better. I'm guessing it's always that traditional scheme: 1: Introduce universe, plot, characters. 2: Build up tension for finale 3: Epic showdown. Well see, I have high trust in Bioware. I hope it has more story than 2nd one. And about that Cerberus thing, it sounds a bit weird, but I didn't know that. I have kept myself not reading any articles about ME3, I did same with ME2, to avoid spoilers, and it was worth it. Except ofcourse these mp-articles, I was just too curious to hear if it will affect sp in anyway.
All of the talk always revolves around graphics but the real focus should be put into making good games period. The fact that all these years later I can put in Perfect Dark or Final Fantasy VII and enjoy them more then most games regardless of their graphics says a lot. I love Mass Effect, it made this generation for me, I'm all about it. Uncharted and Gears were also fantastic but overall I found many titles that I liked much more in generations gone by.
I agree 100%.
I don't believe you, you need more people!
rage is the best looking game on consoles
I respect your opinion, but it is nevertheless false. Rage is great looking from far away, but when you get close up....ugh.
"Mass Effect 3 may feature the best combat" really ?, because if its anything like the first 2 then i call bullshit
Zephol I disagree. But, I will say that Rage is absolutely the smoothest game out there. As smooth as butter. At 60fps this game nailed it. But this game lacks any and all replayability which is what a great game has. Anyways on topic here, I dont agree that its maxed out except for ZombieAssassins comment. I agree with you that its maxed out as far as tech goes for the company with what they have now. I think Mass Effect 2 is one of the greatest games out there especially in the compelling story department. Kahvipannu...how on earth you believe MGS4 ending is horrible is beyond me. That game was perfect.
No offense to BioWare, but how can they say they've maxed out the PS3? When they've only been developing ports of PC and 360 games. Wouldn't it be more justifiable if they made a game for PS3 and ported it to the other systems? I mean the crazy thing about a good developer is the shortcuts they use in games to make them better than the previous game.
Give it a stop already. The PS3 came from the 2006 era, maxing it out is easy as hell. Use all of the tinny 512 MB RAM = maxed out PS3 game. Designing games on the console isn't about "maxing" out anything at all, thats a fanboy myth. It's about NOT maxing it out so damn thing can load a scene without crashing or getting 32 players multiplayers to work without turning the game into a slide show.
I suppose because i didn't include the Xbox 360 that i was making a fanboy statement? I could easily do the same about the 360. I figured it was implied though considering games like Gears 2 at the time were "peaking the consoles limits" and look what they did with Gears 3. While not a huge improvement there was some and that means that it wasn't maxed out. ALL i was saying was that for developers to say that is kind of unjustifiable cause other developers will use tricks and skill to make a game look better than its predecessor.
Well I kinda agree with both of you. It goes a lot to the game-engine developers use svoulis. Gears have been using same engine all the time, but with every release a new version of it, but at some point they will hit the wall. ME also uses heavilly modified UE too, tought it have been modified so much, that it's independent now. It's the question will you do new engine for currentgen that has limitations, or will you wait next gen (or start focusing there already), since it can take years to make new one. In a way, current gen is maxed out, ND, Epic, and others are squeezing all they can from current hardware, but there won't be as big improvements as UC1 to UC2 without new engines, and even not then maybe. But for example let's look Frostbite 2, it's insane what that engine is doing with current consoles, but as seen, they can't do same as PC, quite obvious, but still. Tought Dice have stated that they made the engine with nextgen in mind, so that explains it a bit too. "Wouldn't it be more justifiable if they made a game for PS3 and ported it to the other systems?" By this you propably mean port to X0, since it's obvious if you do game for PC mainly, it will shine, and then try to fit it for consoles. Doing what you stated doesn't make sense to PC-players really On second hand I'm happy with current gen still, currently playing AC:Brotherhood on PS3, game looks outdated (Propably AC3 will have new engine tought), that's what I tought first. But gameplay is pure gold, and that's what matters most. There is so many good games to play right now, and more coming, it's stupid to complain, but it's obvious current hardware could use update. Even extra memory would do miracles how developers could take theyr work even higher. As I stated I'm still happy, but one year forward and I believe my tought s are opposite...
I hate it when a developer makes it look like the PS3 and 360 are on the same boat. They havent even created an exclusive for the PS3 where they've "maxed out" the tec so how can they say that.
Bioware needs to pay a visit to Naughty Dog. They could learn a thing or two about 'maxing out' the ps3. I doubt ME3 will look anything close to Uncharted 3.
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