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Xbox 360 'Would Benefit Most' From Upgrade to Next-Gen, says Analyst

Xbox 720 could be unveiled in 2013, and Sony is also rumored to have started early development on PlayStation 4 games, but which company will be first to market with next-gen? Should Microsoft push to get the jump on Sony again as they did with Xbox 360, or is the launch timing not as important as we think?

IndustryGamers recently chatted with several analysts to get their takes on next-gen console launch strategies.

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donniebaseball2217d ago

Well, the 360 is older tech, not quite as powerful.

NYC_Gamer2217d ago

both consoles are old tech gamers/publishers could benefit from new hardware

Godmars2902217d ago

Except the 360 uses DVD instead of a disc format with more space.

Jobesy2217d ago

MS should have used the hd dvd for games. I don't know why they only used it for movies.

SixZeroFour2217d ago

@jobesy - prolly cause the 360 didnt come with an hd dvd drive out of the box, so if they used hd dvd's for games, it would have alienated tons of ppl

gamingdroid2217d ago (Edited 2217d ago )

***Except the 360 uses DVD instead of a disc format with more space.***

... and with that lack of disc space what has actually happened beyond multiple discs? As it stand, the graphics on both consoles are pretty much on par. Multiplats tend to favor the Xbox 360 still.

Point being, it doesn't seem to be Blu-Ray has really done anything beyond enable ability to play movies and include uncompressed/audio video in games. Neither is hardly essential for gaming.

Godmars2902216d ago

"it doesn't seem to be Blu-Ray has really done anything"

*Facepalm*

There have been far too many "speculative" arguments of this eFfecting games like Borderlands, Rage, LA Niore and FFXIII for them not to be considered valid. Nevermind the unnoted effects its had on 360-only games like the latest Halos or Forza 3 and 4. That MS has done several work arounds including squeezing a gig out of a disc should scream at any one not a fanboy that their choice has effected the industry.

gamingdroid2216d ago (Edited 2216d ago )

***There have been far too many "speculative" arguments of this eFfecting games like Borderlands, Rage, LA Niore and FFXIII for them not to be considered valid.***

*FACEPALM*

a) None of those games function any different than the blu-ray version except an occasional disc swap. Nothing an Xbox 360 Hard Drive doesn't solve.

b) You are mis-informed as Borderlands proves my point perfectly. It only takes 3.4 GB to install! This entire vast open world game....

c) FF XIII didn't even use the entire space on each disc... over 1GB was left on each disc.

d) Keyword is *speculation*. That means exactly that, SPECULATION! i.e. NO EVIDENCE!

So how about we cut through the BS, and show some tangible evidence or otherwise at a minimum a technical explanation for why it is an issue.

If anything we have seen repeatedly that the extra space is only used for uncompressed video and audio. In fact, as it stands neither the PS3 or Xbox 360 has enough video memory to take advantage of the extra space.

However, what hurts more is the smaller video memory of the PS3 that causes more frequent pop-ups in games like Rage and Blu-Ray that forces installations due to the slow read speed.

Heck for all we know the slow read speed might have forced the cut-scene to be CGI since it can't stream the higher resolution textures fast enough?

Yes, that was a *speculation*. I can do it too! :D

Well... How about I back it up by showing some proof?

"PlayStation 3 only gets a partial install - a weighty 7.1GB that takes around 20 minutes to complete - so some of the texture data is still being drawn from the Blu-ray (which in terms of all-important seek times is slower than the Xbox 360's DVD drive), and this does result in significant differences in the time it takes for the image to fully resolve. Running Rage on an Xbox 360 without the install, but with a hard drive attached for caching purposes, isn't quite as fast as the PS3 - but it's not a million miles away from the overall performance profile."

"Out of interest, we ran some tests where we would continuously change direction 180 degrees in the exact same spot on the Xbox 360 with and without an install and then compared that with performance in the exact same spot on the PlayStation 3. Curiously, after repeating the process a couple of times, no matter how we ran Rage - even with no hard drive at all - the 360 would resolve prominent textures faster."

Note the last part:

"Curiously, after repeating the process a couple of times, no matter how we ran Rage - even with no hard drive at all - the 360 would resolve prominent textures faster."

Source: http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

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Ulf2217d ago (Edited 2217d ago )

I think that's not really the critical reason that the 360 would benefit the most from an upgrade.

The 360 currently lacks the unique appeal of the PS3 -- it has no BD player, and it has a severe lack of exclusive titles outside of peripheral-based ones (i.e. Kinect). It also seems closer to reaching a market saturation point in its prime territory (the USA) than the PS3 is.

New hardware would bring back appeal to the Microsoft brand -- although honestly their reliance on 3rd party software will make it difficult for MS to give a new console a software lineup to stand on.

At the same time, like the article states, outdating the 360 so shortly after Kinect hit the shelves would be a major financial error. MS should wait until at least 2013, preferably 2014, before launching a new system. Even launching in 2013 would be a defensive maneuver, hindered by the availability of 3rd party software.

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BitbyDeath2217d ago

"better online, more comfortable controller"

Yea, no.
Those are opinions not facts.

gamingdroid2217d ago (Edited 2217d ago )

The belief that Blu-Ray is some kind of selling point is actually fading quite quickly as prices of stand-alone players are rapidly being reduced. Quick search shows a Sony stand-alone player for $80-90. Price drops for BD players will continue to far outpace the PS3.

Then you take a quick look at the recent statistics and it shows that on average, MS sells their console higher average price than Sony:

http://www.gamasutra.com/db...

Then you look at the trend:

http://www.gamasutra.com/db...

You see the competition is stagnant, while MS is increasing their sales and it isn't even holidays yet. Even without a price drop, MS outsold the competition in September.

So it is clear that Kinect and whatever magic sauce MS is putting in the console is working!

It started with Netflix then ESPN, but MS will further pull ahead with their Xbox Live service this holiday with Live TV/DVR functionality. Stay tuned....

Ulf2217d ago (Edited 2217d ago )

@gamingdroid,

You realize that my post is defending Microsoft's standing with the 360 until 2014, thanks to Kinect, right? You seem to hop on defending the 360's virtue whenever you feel it's threatened by some comment -- even if your comments are irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

That doesn't change the fact that the latest NPD numbers are shifting US marketshare up for the PS3, and subsequently down for the 360 -- which implies that the PS3 is still growing in the US, and the 360 is slowing. But then, that's not my point -- MS should still stand with the 360/Kinect for a couple years. If they don't they are clearly acting in a defensive fashion, which I don't think they need to do, given their current standing.

gamingdroid2217d ago (Edited 2217d ago )

***even if your comments are irrelevant to the discussion at hand.***

I was responding to your comment here:

***The 360 currently lacks the unique appeal of the PS3 -- it has no BD player, and it has a severe lack of exclusive titles outside of peripheral-based ones (i.e. Kinect). It also seems closer to reaching a market saturation point in its prime territory (the USA) than the PS3 is.***

Which clearly doesn't hold water as pointed out.

***That doesn't change the fact that the latest NPD numbers are shifting US marketshare up for the PS3, and subsequently down for the 360***

We all expected that after a price cut. Still doesn't change that the Xbox 360 is still best selling. Not to mention the fact that MS can still drop the price any time they want for the same effect.

Which my point still stands, what is Sony doing to make it "unique"? Other than being the one cutting price twice while competition holds steady?

Blu-Ray is hardly unique anymore and both platforms have exclusives with Kinect/PS Move or not. They are more alike than you think.

***You realize that my post is defending Microsoft's standing with the 360 until 2014, thanks to Kinect, right?***

Doesn't change anything to me, for or against Xbox 360, PS3 or Wii. I base my comment on what you say, not what you thought or intended to say.

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Laypoof2217d ago

Lol @ the article basically saying the 360 is the weakest of the bunch (Wii not included)

gamingdroid2217d ago

***Well, the 360 is older tech, not quite as powerful. ***

LOL! The Wii released a year later, but is hardly more "powerful". The Xbox 360 and PS3, when it comes down to it isn't so different and this shows in game. They are pretty much on par!!!

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Shadowaste2217d ago

it'll be out in 2012, it's already 6 years old, it came out back in 2005!

next year, at this time it will be 7 years old, they will support it for 2-4 more years from today depending on software sales.

Halo 4 will be a launch title for nextbox and also on the 360!

donniebaseball2217d ago

If it were actually launching next year, you would have already heard a hell of a lot more about it from developers or other sources.

Jdrm032217d ago

not necessarily. The xbox 360 was not officially announced until about 6 months prior to its release. Anything you heard about the 360 prior to the announcement were considered rumors and what...basically all the stuff you are hearing as of late.

meganick2217d ago

I would say the Wii would benefit most.

kma2k2217d ago

the only thing that really needs an upgrade right now is the DVD aspect.

Lord_Sloth2217d ago (Edited 2217d ago )

Don't care about the topic at hand but...That image would make a badass ring. Anybody agree?

donniebaseball2217d ago

Lol, I could see that in some sci-fi movie or something.

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