After a rather lackluster first week of sales in Japan, Forza Motorsport 4 disappeared from the top 20 of the Media Create Software chart, despite high sales across the world and critical acclaim, even from the Japanese press.
Idk if I can agree with that. Currently F4 only sold 500,000 WW and with BF3, MW3, Batman: AC, and Skyrim, I think the sales won't hit the 2 million expectation of Turn 10 . F4 already dropped on both US amazon as well as UK amazon. Just my opinion. US Amazon (At 45 now) http://www.amazon.com/best-... UK Amazon (From 4 to 15) http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/... Edit: @ Abriel True, going in on almost it's third week now (F4 sold 20k more than F3 so far). Probably sold 200-300k more after the first week. I hope it keeps pushing it.
yeah but racing games,especially if simulative, are a lot more of a niche compared to those. Also, 500k sales are only the first week, not the first two. It's actually selling more than Forza 3 did worldwide, even if not by a lot.
I disagree with you, just take a look at GT5 numbers.
But gt been around since ps1 days and a well know brand. ANd japan buys it to :P
GT5 did something like 5.5 million in it's first 12 days so it's not a niche market on the PS3.
@GamersRulz: making a comparison with an extremely established franchise like GT is like coming here in january and telling that Star Wars The Old republic is doing badly because it doesn't have 11 million subscribers like wow :D
Oh come on. To whomever disagreed with DarkKnight, you're wrong, man. Such a pointless disagree. But to counter, "ANd japan buys it to :P", I will have to say that percentage wise, Americans prefer FM and the 360 by far. GT sales are weaker than they should be in the US just like PS3 sales. In Japan, they're both strong, but they only have 1/3 of the US population. Kneon - 5.5 million in 6 weeks. The second week of GT5's sales is a few (20,000 about) thousand copies less than the first 2 weeks of sales for FM4. This completely biased thinking needs to end. Disagreeing and not having any good arguments or ANYTHING. FOR SHAME! I'm talking about the jackass who like to disagree for no reason. You know who you are. Show yourself pussycat. Yi-Long, you're spot on. First day release DLC is a bit disturbing. Six disagrees can choke on bananas. Learn to be intelligent sentient beings people. Or take a bat to the dome for being full of crap.
... they've seen how Forza 2 and Forza 3 were being milked with DLC-packs, that now they are just waiting for a cheap 'Ultimate' Edition to come out next year orso...!? I sure know that's my nr. 1 reason why I stopped buying games like these at launch.
1 game does not mean a whole genre is doing well... even on PS3 where other more sim based games like the Ferrari Challenge game on PS3 or even Enthusia on PS2 bombed. In fact, sim racing games are probably one of the poorest selling genres out there, to the point many try to combine sim and arcade to pull in a fanbase, like Shift. Gran Turismo is an anomally in the genre, Forza sells what it does because it's the closest thing to GT on the Microsoft console. These are in now way "standard" sales for the genre.
four installments of Forza and it didn't establish itself as a brand ? cmon guys be realistic.
Didn't Gran Turismo 5 sell 1.8 million in two days? http://www.vgchartz.com/art...
GT was the first in other words it will sell because of the nostalgia, is like COD and BF, COD was the first to get it right and no matter how many people dont like it it will sell a whole lot more than BF, i love how people use sales at their favor, when is Halo sales doesn't count but when comes to GT sure they do, same thing with CoD lol fanboys.
@Me-Time Direct quote from Sony's annual report "sales of Gran Turismo® 5, exclusively for PS3, reached 5.5 million copies in the 12 days immediately following its launch in November 2010"
Forza isnt simulative though. It should be going against Shift 2 sales for example, an arcade racer trying to be a sim.
I love it how fanboys care so much about sales, sales only matter to the developers who are making these games,i mean what does sales mean to a fanboy your not getting any of that money are you now? we just enjoy them while the developer publisher worry about the money.. Oh I see just for bragging rights Person A " My game sold this much ! " Person B " Nooo my game sold this much WW woo hoo " Person A " Sooo my game sold this much in the first week " Look how pathetic you look. Developers who make great games hopefully do get alot of sales so they can keep delivering us great experiences.
GT's dev has constantly updated from the start. Thank you, Polyphony Digital. One agree. To the agree-er, I know you would double agree with me when I say that this world is going down the crapper. Few people understand that logical and rational thinking are apart of cooperating in an unbiased argument/debate/conversation. Some people are pathetic.
Sales only matter to fanboys when they reinforce their own personal bias. For example: If Halo outsells Killzone: "Sales mean nothing! People are just brainwashed by marketing!" If GT outsells Forza: "The market has spoken! It's obvious which game is better in the eyes of gamers!" It's especially funny when those who take the later position turn around and hate on a game like COD. You'd think they would consider Black Ops to be the greatest thing ever to happen to video games...
"Developers who make great games hopefully do get alot of sales so they can keep delivering us great experiences. " maybe thats why person c likes sales?! whats pathetic is ppl thinking sales dont matter cause they dont own stock or get money from it..
@Me-Time Stop worrying about your agrees and disagrees and let your comment speak for itself, pro or negative. Just for the record you will get a disagree from me every time you complain about getting disagrees.
Before anyone even says it, no it has nothing to do with being an "American product" look at the iPhone and iPods, its be cause of 1 reason, they have GT5 already. Don't say its not because if Japan really wanted, they have 1.5 million 360s sold over there, numbers would have been much higher if they really wanted it.
That's because mobile devices are big in Japan to begin with, you are comparing apples and oranges when you pit a mobile device against a video game. Games are a point of pride for the Japanese, mobile devices not so much.
@Jocosta I've been in the mobile business for 20+ years and have been to Japan many times and I think your explanation of the Japanese attitude towards mobile devices is incorrect. The Japanese phones and mobile services have been far ahead of anything in the west for a quite a long time and they know it. We are only now starting to offer features that they had available as much as a decade ago.
its already at half a million and hasn't been throught the holiday rush yet...I think it still has plenty of time to get to 2 million sold!
I don't see how comparing an established franchise like GT to Forza is wrong since so many 360 fanboys love comparing new series like Killzone and resistance to an established series like Halo... lmao at the double standards.
@prophet, The only people who compare Resistance and Killzone to Halo are those who desperately want them to be as good. The fact is most 360 only gamers aren't talking about ps3 games because they don't care about them. If they did, they'd buy them. Killzone has been around since the ps2 so I'd say it is established-at least within the PS community. They're the only ones who care. It's not a double standard, it's a reality. It's an established franchise in its own right. Just not as good.
@mendicant That was the most mentally twisted logic I had ever witnessed from a console fanatic. Do you actually believe what you just wrote??
I will have to say that percentage wise, Americans prefer FM and the 360 by far. thats BS not EVERY!!! american like FM nor 360 I rather have a solid japanese product anyday than a unreliable AMERICAN made product. before anyone send hate notes. every individual have freedom of speech of what they like and (dislike). FLOPZA is one
And I will exercise my freedom of speech by calling you a retard.
Then why does GT sell more than forza in the USA? Forza is great but should not be a sim. It is a arcade racer with sim features. GT5 is not as realistic as those PC ones like iracing but on consoles why would you choose forza over Gt? M$ probably paid tons of US and EU reviewers to rate the game high. Why would they do that for the failure the xbox brand is in Japan?
@morkendo23 Using my freedom of speech to tell you that you are clueless. The statement that you tried to quote (try using these little things next time " ") didn't say that "EVERY" American likes FM and 360. It just said percentage wise that they favor them in America. Which is closer to factual then not.
I can't stand how Forza 4 sales are supposed to be "great" but if Resistance, or Uncharted, or LittleBigPlanet does anything less than 3 million overnight the gaming media is falling all over themselves to declare it a flop. Not that we know how well Forza's selling anyway. To my knowledge, no credible sales exists yet - so what exactly is Dualshockers basing this on anyway?
It's a western title in Japan. Just saying.
The fact that there are far fewer Xbox 360s than PS3 in Japan should clue you in on what to expect. In fact, the difference is like a factor of four? Japan alone almost makes up for the gap in between the PS3 and Xbox 360 in the US!
japanese have a culture in which they prefer their products over others because its theirs or at least thats what yahoo said don't hate me for what yahoo said =P
@ Dark Socom has been around since the ps2 days and was a well known brand too. Why didn't it sales follow the GT5 sale logic after 1, 2, and 3? Maybe just maybe, people bought GT5 because they liked it. Why else would it's sales still be increasing even after the reviews and with the so called disappointed fanbase? Edit: @ Petit Exactly! So why didn't that happen to the GT series if some people here say that after GT2, the GT series got worst and sold poorer? Why didn't that happen to GT5? Brand name has nothing to do with it especially if a game is truly unfavourable among fans as you see with S4.
Maybe it's because the Socom series got worse and worse? GT sold because of it's name and the extremly long wait between games. GT is also a great game.
SOCOM has not been around since the PS1 days....research your facts before tro...er posting
Socom could easily be a flagship title, however The developers are trying to copy other developers with their own multiplayer components instead of being JUST SOCOM. Also Socom was in the PS2 days, not the PS1, and it was Sony online flagship title.
no socom 4 is amazing game, i like that it weeded out the COD noobs, its a pure tactical game. and gt5 sold, because PD released a high quality product.
The Japanese are in their own bubble when it comes to gaming. It's been this way for years. Their monthly top ten software lists are horrible to say the least. IMO they're no longer relevant in gaming. Five disagrees in 1 minute???!! Sorry but something is up with this website. It's a mod or somebody has way too many multiple accounts. You don't see this sort of thing in other forums. Whoever disagreed, tell me why. Am i wrong? Did i hurt your feelings? What's up? @ Ryo-Hazuki. GT5 sold 7mil in Japan?!! Really? Bring another example to the table if you want to make a point.
GT5 over 7mil and counting and Forza 4 probably 2 mil lifetime. I guess the whole world is living in a bubble
No problem. http://www.polyphony.co.jp/... That link is from Polyphony themselves. 6.3 Million as of Dec 2010 @ Petit... WorldWide numbers. "Whole world" should hint at what those numbers mean if you have a brain or common sense
Ryo just owned both of you. Please procede to the timeout corner.
Looks like Microsoft consider them very relevant, looking at how much they spend to market xbox 360 and it's games there :D
MS had to hire Hollywood for help in the lighting department. That says A LOT about MS and how desperate they are. Along with the Kinect ad. campaign. FOR SHAME! to that. PetitPiPi - that's the best you got? Sony is a business and look how flexible they were for GT5. Five years, they gave PD leeway to do what they needed to do. Sales matter to a business. What's your point petteitieitei?
MS are a business. What's your point exactly Abriael? Umm.. the more sales the better? They tried the best they could and failed. What does flexibility have to do with this conversation Me-Time? Come on, you can answer without getting mad can you?
Totally agree. Neither the Japanese software products or market are relevant to the western game economy.
Forza 4 is still selling great, just not as well as Gran Turismo 5, same situation with Killzone and Halo, or Uncharted and Gears.
The difference of sales between Forza and GT, Killzone and Halo isn't the same as Gears and Uncharted...theres a mere what, 1 million difference between Uncharted 2 and Gears 2 sales wise. GT5 sold over 1 million in the first week. After 2 Forza 4 hasn't even his 800,00. It'll sell well I think. 2 million LTD. Japan actually loves Forza. has no one seen all the drifting teams and all the amazing decals coming from the Japanese players on Forza? Fact is, the install base is tiny, but relative to the 360 install base in Japan, the game sells very well. Remember that. I'd argue, where it's not selling well is in the west. With a 55 million strong install base, and being apparently so much better than GT5, it's not doing that well commercially. @lelo2play. Just stop. Have you ever seen the UK top 10 charts? Dominated by fitness, dance and sports games. Don't chat shit.
Who the heck cares about Japan. What western game sells there anymore, and especially a xbox game. All Japan cares about is Dragon Quest and Monster hunter type of game in which the Western World have no interest in. Forza will be fine and I am picking up a copy this weekend.
I care about Japan >=O..Japan is awesome!
japan indeed = awesome
"Who the heck cares about Japan. " You...wouldn't last long in the industry with that ideal.
Is this any surprise? Xbox brand games selling poorly in Japan?
Japanese have horrible taste in games... just take a look at their weekly top 10 games list. We can hardly find any good games on those lists.
Wait what ? Because they don't have the same taste as you do, they have horrible taste in games ? Now don't get me wrong, I wouldn't buy most of the stuff I see weekly on their charts, however they could easily say the same about Americans and the Constant FPS milking.
Looking at this weeks top 10, included are: Dead Island FIFA 12 World Soccer Winning Eleven 2012 (PES) Ace Combat: Assault Horizon Deus Ex: Human Revolution NBA 2K12 Yes hardly any good games at all /s
Congrats... aren't you the smart one /s I was referring to most of the weeks of the year... Why not take a look at the top 10 or 20 games of the year, and tell me how many good games you will find.
To the Japanese, the westerners have horrible taste in games. All shooter games in the top selling game charts. They only like violent games and have no variety.
Too bad... it is a great game..... loads of fun.
Critics dont know anything, the fans have spoken .its a arcade sim. plus its xbox and xbox is not doing too well in japan. overhyped game also.
Hour many hours have you played it?
I am with Japan on this one. Not interested in Forza. Give me Daytona USA instead.
It's a great game, but I prefer pure simulators like GT5. I don't want a rewind and all of this other mumbo jumbo.
Umm.. I didn't know you had to use the rewind feature.
Jonny is clearly trolling and hasn't played Forza 4. Else he would know that Turn 10 gives you the option of turning rewind off under driving difficulty and rewards you for doing so with increased earnings for every event.
Disagreeing with facts don't make them any less factual. It only makes those disagreeing look more ignorant, if that's even possible.