Xbox 720 not needed, Battlefield 3 HD proof of that

With just two days to go until the release of Battlefield 3, the number of PC Vs. Xbox 360 Vs. PS3 have now been done to death. Okay, so we already know that the PC version if far superior, but you have to remember that Microsoft’s console is now five years old. There has been much speculation that the Xbox 720 will soon be with us, but looking at a screenshot of Battlefield 3 on the 360 with its HD install pack makes us wonder if there’s any rush?

[wwm0nkey]

A new console generation will be needed in 2 years time, we are now hitting the point where more and more games on the PC are taking advantage of things like DX11, PhysX and Tessellation.

With all the rumors piling up it seems we will see the new generation of Xbox in 2013 anyways.

[da_2pacalypse]

Yes, and while BF3 is a good proof that this generation has some wind in it, Dice has said time and time again that they've basically maxed out anything they can do with this generation of consoles.

[gamingdroid]

Any gain you get in software optimization can likely be outdone by brute force within 18-months. Computing power doubles roughly every 18-months.

Why over-invest? Let's have shorter cycles! On average you will pay less, but get the best performance!

[cannon8800]

lol at the title. That's like saying "oh I'll be totally fine going against top fuel dragsters with my honda civic."

[rabidpancakeburglar]

A consoles visuals are proof of nothing. The 360 is on it's last legs, anyone can see that and the 720(or whatever it will be called) will be needed sooner rather than later. That said, I've only had my 360 for about 5 months and don't want to be spending money on another console, so I'm happy for the 360 to stick around for a while.

[gamingdroid]

I think all consoles are all on past their last leg. They are exceeding their normal console cycle, and PC is making it glaringly obvious.

Too bad I prefer gaming on consoles....

[WitWolfy]

not wanting to sound like a troll but, its not our fault you decided to buy an Xbox NOW when the rest of us feel its time for next gen to wow us again.

[tickticktick]

It's time for a new Xbox

[Theyellowflash30]

BS! Graphics are NOT EVERYTHING! What about framerate. BF3 is still locked at 30 FPS with 32 players online while the PC has better graphics, double the framerate, and double the players online. We do need new consoles. I want 60 frames per a second standard for EVERY game on the Xbox 720, Wii U (ground up games for Wii U), and PS4.

[ECM0NEY]

Preach it brother!

[DarkSymbiote]

No thanks, 60 FPS makes cutscenes very weird.

[Pandamobile]

They can still cap cutscenes at 30 FPS if it really makes a difference.

I prefer the fluidity that 60 FPS offers, even for cutscenes.

[kcuthbertson]

You're thinking 120Hz broadcast television.

[Pandamobile]

"BF3 is still locked at 30 FPS with 32 players online while the PC has better graphics, double the framerate, and double the players online. "

24 players*

And PC framerates are variable depending on hardware. If you have enough horse power you can run the game at way more than 60 FPS.

[Shadowaste]

it only has 24 players online for consoles, 12v12,
and the framerate goes down to 20 sometimes, and it isn't even hd, it's sub-hd 704p on both consoles.
Not to mention the total lack of anti aliasing and the screen tearing and covered in jaggies!

I'd say to the author of this article, BF3 proves we needed new consoles this year.

Pc gamers will be playing in 1080p, 1200p, 1440p, 1600p, or even Eyefinity 7680x1600p at 60-300 frames, with 64-127 other people all on one server!

Dice has come out and said publically the console versions are equal to the pc version running at the LOWEST possible settings.

Not medium, not high, not very high, not ultra.

The pc version of this game is TWO generations ahead of the console version.

When new consoles come out the will NOT run a game like BF3 in 1600p with 8x anti aliasing at 60 frames in DX11!!

[Laxman]

People dont seem to understand something though. While I completely agree with you, the human eye is only capable of seeing ~25 'Frames' per second. So 30 FPS is still more than the human eye is capable of in real life.

[Theyellowflash30]

While that might be true... what I know is I've seen games run in 60 FPS like Bayonetta (x360), Ninja Gaiden, COD, DMC 4 and Ive seen games that run in 30 FPS like Battlefield, Enslaved, Castlevainia Lords of Shadow, Uncharted ect and their is a clear different to game speed and fluidity.

[STONEY4]

That statistic is such BS. I can pretty much determine my framerate with my eyes, don't even need an FPS monitor for it like Fraps. There's a HUGE difference between 25 and 30 and 60.

[Laxman]

Stoney, how is it in any way 'BS'? Dont get me wrong, I understand that you can tell the difference between 125, 30 and 60 FPS, its pretty obvious, but it doesnt change the fact that the human eye is only around 25 'frames' per second. Thats a biological fact, not my opinion or a statistic.

[lategamer]

Consoles actually have 24 players online.

[qwertyz]

the comparison fails they obviously compared 360 version to BF3 pc running lowest settings, no texture filtering 720p and to make matters worse they used compressed images for the comparison all to make te 360 look like a powerful machine capable of coming close to matching a modern day pc.

the people that did the comparison are 360 fanboys NO console game(including uc3 and BF3 consoles) even look as good as even bulletstorm pc or duke nukem pc maxed out because even a dual gpu high end pc from 2005 is more powerful than either console

[Mrmagnumman357]

preach it! When are people gonna realize that comparing these low res photos shows nothing, get a picture of the pc version at 1080p and the 360 version at 704p and you will see the huge difference..

[Voxelman]

IDK I think for a real comparison you would need a 1080p 60fps video vs a 704p video, you have to see it in motion to really get the whole picture.

[Gaetano]

So that means that games made late in the PS2 era that looked good meant we didn't need Xbox 360/PS3?

I think a generation should end once developers start struggling to find ways to enhance the experience and presentation. Once that brick-wall is reached, it's time to move on.

[DontEatPoop]

If the console and PC version were identical than I would agree.

[Bob570]

Give me next gen right now!

[SageHonor]

This website is starting to become real predictable in terms of the news that gets approved... Nothing good anymore.

[Jdrm03]

as a 360 owner since launch 05, I will respectfully disagree with this article.

[ForROME]

Wrong - if every Xbox 360 had a hard drive, then this statement could be taken seriously and Blu Ray would be irrelevant if you just installed disc 2 and played disc one

OOOPS MS screwed the pooch and made this lame ARCADE model

So now by default - cant have Mandatory installs

[Ezio2048]

i am sorry but what a waste of time reading this article!!

[Rearden]

That's just stupid. BF3 developer DICE has said for a long time that they need a new console generation and that the 360 and PS3 limits them greatly.

[kcuthbertson]

LOL.

That is all.

[gotgame1985]

U know what i think? Microsoft are silently reopening and buying up studios for next gen. lets just hope all these studios are not kinect only studios.

343 Industries
BigPark
Good Science Studio
Lionhead Studios
MGS Family
MGS Soho
MGS Mobile Gaming
MGS Vancouver
Rare Ltd.
Turn 10 Studios
Twisted Pixel Games
Xbox Live Productions

these 3 were open or bought about 3 months ago. who knows how many more they plan on opening or buying.

Twisted Pixel Games
MGS Soho
MGS Vancouver

now i know that MGS Mobile Gaming dosen't really count being a mobile studio, and Xbox Live Productions probably don't count either since its a studio for digital content, but they could make a game like the watchmen which was a downloadable game, but had everything a disc base game has. so i'm going to count that one and say thats a total
of 11 studios. now they need some AAA games or relaunch some of the ones they own.

[DiRtY]

Look at it this way: There is no chance the game would even run on a six years old PC for $400.

We should do a fair comparison: Build a PC for the price of a console when it launches and see which has more games to play in the future. I bet you have to spend money in the PC much earlier than on a console.

[Shackdaddy836]

PCs are built differently than consoles. That's why Microsoft lost so much on the original Xbox (because they didn't know much about consoles at the time and basically made a closed PC).

You just can't compare it that way...

[gypsygib]

I said that the other day. There's no way a 400 dollar PC (imagine not including Windows) from 5 years ago would play any current multiplats at the same level of consoles right now.

PC gaming is great but you have to pay more for it through bi/tri-yearly upgrades.

[MaxMurdoch]

You are incorrect. PC gaming is note more expensive than Console gaming. I wrote an article earlier and I guess you missed it. You are only looking at entry cost rather than the cost of ownership for 6 years.

http://www.organizedgamermo...

Add all of the costs up and the cost evens out. So you pay the same but get worse graphics and other limitations.

[Gamer-Z]

Not every developer can do what DICE has accomplished with BF3. DICE are very skilled and they no how to push the xbox360/PS3 to the limit but other devs are not as skilled so they need better more powerful hardware if they are to progress their games even further.

[KiLLeRCLaM]

I think after the 720 and the ps4 consoles will be of the past.. People gonna be sitting in the buss with the sony 3d glasses that are being released this year contected to the sony vita and play on the go, at home, in the bath tub, EVERYWHERE. Just think about it

[skip1020]

xbox sux dix

[_Aarix_]

Here we go again...

[aman84r]

Xbox 720 needed,Battlefield 3 HD is the proof of that.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Next gen consoles are neede now. Developers are already complaining about by not having enough memory. If there were no new consoles coming gamers will be flocking to PC because developers will show off there new engines on superior hardware and consoles will die a slow death.

[HappyTrigger]

Actually, with the HD texture pack, that basically proves we need new consoles. I mean, if we have to release a mandatory install to fix up some textures then there's obviously something wrong.

[gypsygib]

New consoles gen is needed now.

[Laxman]

I think a 720 isnt needed cause its a terrible name that no intelligent company would even consider.

But a new Xbox, one that isnt called 720, is needed pretty bad I say. I just love new tech cause developers all step up thier game and make some kickass new games.

[steve30x]

Forza 4 is one example of why we need a new console. The graphics are fantastic , but while playing on some trracks the more ai thats on the track the less details are in the cars , because the Xbox 360 was pushed as hard as possible. For example , I got a 05 Lotus elise in forza 4 last night and when I was doing a test run using bonnet view I coul see the radiator under the front grills in the middle of the bonnet , but when I went to a 12 car race on Sedona I couldnt see through that grill. It still looked good though.

Yes we do need new hardware and I hope they put a lot of video ram in the next consoles. Sandbox games need lots of ram to reduce loading so at least three or four Gigabytes of system ram is needed for that too. Also maybe add SATA 3.0 and when SSD's go low enough in price add the option of SSD upgrades.

[steve30x]

Ok so I got two disagrees so here is proof of what I am talking about in Forza 4

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Taken from this thread on the Turn 10 Forza 4 forum http://forums.forzamotorspo...

This alone is proof that Forza 4 is pushing the Xbox 360's hardware to its limits and we need a new console.

[jay2]

Genuine Q, does it do 1080P at 60FPS? because if it doesn't, I fully disagree with the artical, The hardware's 5+ yrs old, it's time for something where all games are on par with new games on PC set to low at least.

[A_Troll_From_Ign]

i will upgrade my hd6850 when console graphics surpass it. i might just add another one on crossfire when it goes sub £100. spending hundreds to get extra pixels doesnt bother me.

[gazgriff2k12]

bullshit it has only got 24 players on mp. and only 30 frames per second @ 720p. fuck that would rather have xbox 720 with full proper battlefield 3

[Cosmo811]

Yeah but it has two disks and you have to install the HD textures onto your hard drive and even then the graphics are still inferior to other versions.

[StayStatic]

Ill give Dice one thing, i've never known a game cause so much fuss over the internet, whether it be PC vs the Console version or BF3 VS MW3.

Been quite eventful lol =D