In what is no stunner to anyone at Audioholics, Consumer Reports reviewed nine high definition optical disc players and guess what they concluded?
There are no significant performance differences.
can someone remind me about spiderman n BR ? i belive the trigoly did not have 7.1 either
Notable how sound doesn't even get a metion in this article - yet is a essential component in recreating the home theatre experience.
didn't you know? it's "cool" to hate sony these days... the bandwagon can be found on every street corner. let's all hop on in, shall we?
AUDIO is what brings out the most in any film. it's audio that gives a film emotion.
anyway, this wouldn't be the case if paramount didn't jump ship. doesn't make any sense. so i boycott them.. anything paramount and dreamworks (on DVD) will be bought used. and i really wanted transformers in high def.
If your argument against HD-DVD is audio quality, then you're really reaching...
It has been said a million times (but not as much as your weak argument) -- The average consumer (A.K.A. Joe Sixpack, the non-audiophile) will NOT perceive a difference in sound quality between Bluray and HD-DVD. Don't forget, Joe Sixpack also listens to 96-128kbps MP3 files on his iPod through the standard ear-buds... so yeah, it is a weak argument.
lol, yup... my argument is much weaker than your strong username.. lmao... fanboy much?
oh, about your mp3 files?
there's a big difference talking about sound quality of film as to music. a film is made up of many many tracks consisting of score, sound effects and dialog and so each needs to be as clear as it can be.. whereas music is much more merciful because the music can compensate for anything information missing.
Fanboy?: Totally, but, can you honestly say that I'm wrong? Do you think that if they did a thorough, double-blind test of HD-DVD and Bluray audio, that any portion of the test base would be able to discern one from the other?
In all honesty, with FULL KNOWLEDGE of Bluray's capacity for uncompressed audio channels, I don't think such a test, as I described above, would yield anything more than a 50:50 split of those who preferred Sample-A versus Sample-B.
i have no clue as to whether anyone can tell a difference. and i actually don't care. but there are those who do. logically, there must be a difference wouldn't there? there already is a noticeable difference when you encode audio, isn't there? try encoding at every bitrate and tell me there is no difference... there has to be... any information being taken away affects the original no matter what.
Well sure, that is just common sense, but my argument is against the notion that an average consumer will actually understand or care about the audio differences between the two.
Let's look at an analogy: There might be some kind of difference in the quality of clothing offered by very high-priced stores at the mall (thread count, stitching, whatever). I cannot tell the difference between that and the clothes that I can buy at Kohls for a fraction of the cost. So, quality is not in question for me in this situation. Price is, however, and that is the ultimate deal breaker for me, so I shop at Kohls.
People say there is a difference because the piece of paper says there is. I would be very surprised if someone could consistently pick a Blu-Ray player for having better sound than an HD-DVD player of the same grade in a blind test. It is like me saying my LCD is better than yours because mine has a dynamic contrast ratio of 25,000:1 and yours only has 20,000:1. There are some specs that people just can't tell the difference between.
But I have to think that prices of stand alone blu ray players are gonna be lowered pretty soon. If not, I have no clue how Blu ray plans on winning.
Due to the disc storage, blu-ray leads the way in audio decompression and video upconverting. HD-DVD never had a chance and Micro$oft's 360 is a prime example of why. HD-DVD is wasting money on what could be valuable resources.
You know, when an article shows that (video-wise) the two are THE SAME, and then you vomit out claims of Bluray video superiority, you just look like another N4G poster who doesn't know what they are talking about.
This article is about blu-Ray and HD-DVD, how did the 360 get pulled into this conversation????
why in the hell do fanboys of br always bring up the 360 when they talk about hd dvd and br.once again MICROSOFT DON"T OWN HD DVD! so stop about the 360 because it doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.
when you and other people bring up the 360 when people talk about hd dvd and br just proove that you are just a ps3 fanboy
you talk about how hd dvd is loosing money,hell!i didn't know that sony was making money with br,oh! wait their not,they're loosing their asses off to.
Smart people know this. But titntin does have a point, they didn't review sound.
But it's funny that they say DD is going to take over. No offense, but I don't see that happening for at least 10 years. AT LEAST. We just don't have the internet speed in the US.
hd dvd is better than blu ray, blu ray is better than hd dvd, no they're the same, blah, blah, blah.
wish there was a quick way to end this format work so we can all be done with this crap.
Transformers didn't have TrueHD/PCM. There wasn't enough space. Which I find funny that a site called AUDIOholics doesn't mention.
The viewing was fantastic though and the 5.1 sounded pretty sexy to me. I can't say it only having 5.1 (omg only 5.1 :-P ) hurt my viewing experience.
Of course not. It wouldn't ruin it, just doesn't make them equal, which I find ironic when a site with audio in it's name doesn't mention when discussing a Consumer Reports, yes I said Consumer Reports article.
What serious audio or video phile site references CR?
One thing that I don't see often brought up, but is essential in the format war is computer adoption...
For the format to be successful, it will have be to become a standard for computer media storage like CD and DVDs. And the main point here is storage...
Triple and double layered discs should be not considered in this case, because of the price... looking at dual layers dvds even now, they're still horribly expensive compared to single layers... so that this front only single layer dvds should be considered.
Therefore we get a simple case... 15gig storage or 25 gig storage... hmm, doesn't seem like a hard choice eh
Price wouldn't be of matter too, since both would have dropped by the time of mass computer adoption like in the case of dvds
I have a 4 Terabyte media server, and two 500 Gigabyte back-up drives. I can't imagine using optical discs for back-up anymore (even 50 gig discs) especially since 500 gig back-up drives are as cheap as $100 and dropping. Don't forget that recordable single layer blu-ray discs are still $30 at the cheapest. It would cost $600 to back up 500 gig just for the blank bd-r's PLUS you still need to buy a bd burner!
I'm afraid the days of optical backups are long over...
Universal is massive (a bit over 7500 catalogue titles):
Paramount/Dreamworks (a bit over 3700 catalogue titles):
http://www.imdb.com/M/list?... ----------------------------- ---------------------------
Compare that to:
Columbia/Tristar (a bit over 4000 catalogue titles):
MGM (a bit over 3200 catalogue titles)
Disney/Buena Vista (a bit over 1700 catalogue titles)
20th Century Fox (a bit over 1400 catalogue titles):
Sony Pictures (just under 600 Catalogue titles)
Lions Gate (just over 200 catalogue titles)
You see, Universal alone is larger than MGM, Disney/Buena Vista, 20th Century Fox, Sony Pictures, and Lions Gate combined.
I am just trying to point out that the number of catalog titles for both Blu-ray and HD DVD is relatively equal.
So far both camps have done little to attract buyers in terms of the movies being released. Where is Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Indiana Jones, etc, etc, etc. Sure, we get some blockbuster movies like Spiderman 3 (yawn) and Transformers (yawn again) but where are real system sellers.
This holiday period will do a lot to determin which way the market is heading. That may or may not mean some studios seriously rethinking where they stand. Nobody knows whats going to happen...just like nobody predicted that the Wii would be such a success either.
like i said in another topic
but in reality
the general consumer doesn't know these facts nor do they care... quantity does not mean quality... they look at the titles and the studios... and if you want to talk quantity, i bet Disney sells a hell of a lot more than universal and paramount put together
Hey bloodmask, how many of those Universal movies besides the Steven Speilberg are worth owning that aren't released yet? Name a few big ones for me please. Jurassic Park 1 & 2, ET, Jaws welp they aren't exclusive, since mr. Speilberg owns the rights, that sucks.
For using a reliable source, and for not blowing smoke out of your ass and using some common sense in your argument you are rewarded with a bubble.
bLOODAMSK IS SUCH A FVCKING TOOL! So what dumass you think Universal has 7500 HD DVD MOVIES RELEASED? NJOOOOOOOO. Each studio onlt relaeses SO MANY MOVIES and NOT EVERYONE only wants to watch Universal movies. Stop Trying to TWIST it HDDVD. They are losing. Their is a greater selection, STUDIO WISE and movie wise on Blu Ray.... EVERY ELECTRONICS COMPANY IN THE WORLD VERSUS TOSHIBA BLHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. BURN. Just like Sony Samsung and Panasonic said Blu Ray will win in the end. They are also lowering prices too and either way B;u ray will be hear the next 10 years. ITS IN EVERY FVCKING PS3 U RETARDS. THEY CAN'T LOSE. ARE YOU STUPD AND IN DENAIL? YOU SERIOUSLY ARE JUST FANBOYS AND FVCKING STUPID. DENAIL.
that looks familiar! hahaha ;)
...another posting designed to invoke fanboyism. This entire argument over sound quality on the two formats is utterly f**king ridiculous. I hate the way people bandy around tech specs as though it actually means anything. I remember the big debates that raged over Dolby Digital and DTS on DVD. At the end of the day the difference was not anything worth writing home about unless you had a sound system set up to really appreciate it....which the majority of consumers do not (nor do they care).
Lets be realistic...which format provides the best specifications that consumers are ready for and willing to pay for will probably win. Picture quality across the two formats is basically the same its just a question of audio. Well, HD-DVD audio is still significantly better than that found on DVD so whats the problem???
Most people won't be buying a whole new sound setup just because they have now purchased an HD player (and HDTV!!!). They'll be using the same one they have been using for their DVD player. Hell, there are lots of people that still listen to the sound produced by their TV set so any debate over sound quality is f**king pointless. Not everyone bases their life around their home media system. Again, just because the specs on paper impress some people to many it means nothing. If it looks good and sounds good and is priced right then it will sell. Other than that consumers don't really give a f**k.
very valid point you made! very true.
i think the people in the know like to push specs to bring out more knowledge to those who don't know. and technology is always moving forward. 7.1 will eventually replace 5.1 (i don't see why, 5.1 should be enough) Dolby TrueHD & DTS MA will replace the current tech. so if you want a product that is more futureproof instead of buying something now to only replace it soon, doesn't make much sense nor does it save you money. but one format has to win in either case. i just hope the high def era won't be dropped altogether because of this format war. i just want one to win so everyone can finally go out and enjoy movies in high def.
does the minority have to suffer?
For f**k sake - what exactly is causing you to suffer?
Go learn about the guys who were knee deep in mud and blood in the trenches during World War I to learn about suffering. Or the person dying from AIDS after being raped by a drugged up low-life.
Tell me, do you bend over the edges of toilet paper before wiping your a$$ to avoid any unecessary suffering?
Oh yes, the minority is often left out in the cold because they are just that. The minority. The world does not revolve around the minority I'm afraid.
If you mean in shape. The only difference that matters is BR has twice as much space. Which is THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IN A STORAGE DEVICE. HDDVD needs to give up, a$$holes.
@slow people below me
Id rather have a 52308572308957320537867239 terrabye HDD from the future...but it doesnt have anything to do with hd-dvd or blu ray, and it doesnt make sence for an optical storage disk.
@ extra slow guy above and below
There wont be a hd dvd and blu ray standard, both cannot exist completely. If one wins, it will be used in both computers and movies. And what if i want an entire season of sienfeld on one disk? can hd dvd do that? Hell no it cant. YOU SUFFER. I SUFFER. We ALL suffer with hddvd. I dont see the reason you want hddvd unless you just simply hate sony.
...Blu-Ray obvisouly trumps HD-DVD. for movie playback they're bascially the same from a consumers point of view.
For mass storage, I'd rather buy a USB HDD. Faster, cheaper, more reliable and much more capacity.
Yep. I would rather have a 500gb external drive to store important data on than optical media.
I totally agree with this statement:
"All that needs to happen is for the studios to publish on both formats and let consumers buy whichever disc suits their needs and quit trying to tell them which one to buy. While the senseless battle rages on, the Internet, like a 4000 pound elephant, is moving slowly into the living room."
I think it is finally time that we can have dual formats for movie watching. It would be interesting to see how things would be if all studios were releasing for both formats. I think if that was the case it comes down to price of the players and HD DVD has the edge in that.
the XBox 360 camp says "HD-DVD FTW"
the PS3 camp says "2008(PS3)FTW"
...the smart ones. They sit on the fence to wait and see what will happen. Its not like they are missing out on anything. A movie released on either format now will still be the same movie in 12-24 months time.
but the thing many people are worried about is that they will need to buy another player once one or the other wins, and that's why some people wait it out. they don't want to have to buy a new player and eventually the same movie on another format in the future.
but you are right in a way though
Once when one format or the other becomes mainstream, the movie studios will find another way to repackage the same stuff and sell you a new shinier format. Come on Disney is a prime example of this. They released all their animated fillms in seven year cycles so people could replace they're old crappy VHS with a newer crappy vhs. With the advent of DVD the only way your video quality would diminish is if your five year old dragged your disc across the floor. So how do we make money if the consumer has no reason to buy a newer disc? Special Editions and New Formats. Let put a sticker on the front with remastered in High Def, when we all know that the master's were never filmed in high def. The movie studio's are desperate. They're making no money in the theaters. They're overly worried about piracy.
PS3 is better than them both because it's also a very powerful gaming machine.
lossless audio, consistent disc quality, scratch resistant surface and more storage space. Blu Ray owns. Ask a dual owner please!
i hate the format war.by the wayi do blu
So no more lower entry price = better value proposition - or fake "HD-DVD image is better" crap.
The two formats are just containers for digital files. Chances are that the two files - like your spreadsheet or word processor files - are exactly the same file on both disks. Therefore - the quality should be - exactly the same. At last they seem to get it. Wow!!!
All that is different is that the BR will have better sound (not noticeable by 99.99% of people - because few will have a soundproof studio with 7.1 sound setup in perfect ambient conditions. So it should sound the same, look the same - and therefore be exactly the same.
BR will win because it can hold more content - but movies released for both formats are likely to have exactly the the same content at exactly the same quality. Only a few will have better sound or more content on BR. In some collections / seasonal TV series releases you might end up having 3 BR disks or 5 HD-DVD disks. That would be the only difference.
There is no difference between HD DVD and Blu-ray in any way.
Audio? was remidied once 51gig hd dvd was ratified before it the only difference was.....uncompressed audio which was in affect only because of the 50 gig structure of blu ray, now that 51 gig is available for all studios to use that uncompressed audio is no longer an advantage because hd dvd can use it too.
Edit:yep a disagree with a fact, Uncompressed audio wasn't capable on blu ray because of some magic or how its made, IT was possible only because it was 50 gigs of storage...Now that hd dvd has 51 gig dvds uncompressed audio is perfectly able on hddvd and thats a FACTT
fact fact fact and theres no changing it! facttttttttttttttt.....
No 200GB for HD-DVD
duhhhh im gonna post something I dont know a damn thing about then say BD FTW!!! yay I DUDDITZ!!!
Actually infact your wrong, Even before 51 gig hd dvd 7.1 was possible, on 50 gig blu ray its possible, no need for 200 gig hell they'd be able to put 51.1 surround sound and have space left on it....dont be so foolish.
I'm curious why audioholics don't look at the lossless, and uncompressed audio ratios, instead they just look at the picture quality. Kinda strange there. It's a known fact that Transformers lacked hd audio because of the space, care to add that to the comparison please. While Picture quality can be matched, audio won't be until the suppose 51gb hd disk is released down the road.
Blu-ray sounds better.
Blu-ray looks better.
Blu-ray is Sony.
Blu-ray 25gb perlayer
Blu-ray anti-sctrach proff technology.
Hahahaha i like how the h-dud fanboys go from h-dud cheap pos 1080i players will win them the war to h-dud and Blu-ray are equal to both formats are here to stay.
desperation at best.
Blu-ray sounds better.
Blu-ray looks better.
Blu-ray is Sony.
now that hd-dvd can hold upto 51 gig... how in the hell do you figure it can look or sound better??? talk about being loyal.
"blu-ray is sony" haha...remember kid, all of sony previous attempts at formats have failed.
Beta is Sony
Super cd is Sony
Memory sticks is Sony
UMD is Sony
They keep failing to mention sound.
There is a MUCH greater percentage of blu-ray discs with better sound.
Have you ever walked out of a action movie in a theater and it had good sound. I can guarantee that ppl will talk about how good the movie is but they would also mention sound. essentially it is the next step to home theatre experience.
I've shopped for speakers recently, and guess what the store rep actually was demoing a blu-ray disc .... not for the picture )because he was not sellig the blu-ray player) but he knew that I was shopping the speakers for home theatre experience. What better way to demo speakers but with a blu-ray player.
Sony also created cd and dvd.
Sony did NOT create CDs alone:
And they sure as heck didn't create the DVD standard we use today...in fact, Sony and Phillips abandoned their initial attempt at a DVD format in favor of one created by Toshiba:
Did you know that Sony also created the internet?
white noise...background noise...and now we have shaka noise. heh
In the end both formats are just media. When one side wins, the production costs for the winner will drastically go down and so do recorders'and players'costs. So why would someone wanna choose a medium with half the storage capacity than the other? That would actually be a step backward.
wake me up when one of them wins.
Blu-ray > Hddvd
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