Kotaku: Can we get a call to reviewers to start taking off points for anti-consumer practices, like online passes?
I understand that reviews are a discussion of the game's qualities or lack thereof, but video games are a consumer product, and an expensive one at that. Most gamers (or non-gamers looking to buy gifts for gamers, etc.) look at reviews as a buyers' guide. "Is this game worth my $60?"
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No review site has ever created a category called "resale value".
Edit: @ disturbing
It's probably just a coincidence though lol.
In the good old days a review was simply about how good the game is, now many of the "critics" are nerds or geeks full of themselves , some make flame bait looking for hits, some others have an ax to grind with the publisher, developer or fans of the game
Haha, oh Kotaku.
an online pass?
They could state it that when buying used you missed on x, y or z. The review should be about the game, not about the state you buy it.
Is the movie Black Swan better or worse if I buy it used/pirated? It doesn't matter. The quality of what the image and audio might be different, but the movie doesn't change at all.
Also, if they reviewed the game used, and saying it sucks because you can't play online or don't have x content, is wrong. Because then, you should review what you have. Is Uncharted SP campaign worse or better because you can't access online? No, it doesn't change a bit.
Also if this was the case then surely games like MW3 should be deducted points because CoD games are always expensive for ages after being pre owned
What dummy wrote this trash?
Seriously your going to dock points because of a pass. Kotaku does know that you can't play any 360 game online unless you pay for gold? Do they deserve to get docked points? No? Than why would uncharted be the exception?
Maybe they played unchared 3 and saw that there's nothing game wise they can dock points for so they are trying to do this. No wonder nobody takes kotaku seriously anymore.
Interesting.
And you think the online pass is just a new feature initiated on the PSN or by ubisoft ?
There were online pass with EA games since last year, even battlefield bad company 2 had an online pass, did you read at that time articles saying webzines should take off points because of their use.
I find it's a great timing, just at the moment of U3 release, i just observe it. I don't feel it's weird to talk about it.
"Sony is making the PS3’s already confusing and frustrating online system feel unnecessarily punitive, and they are doing Resistance 3 no favors. Even though I am tempted to lower the game’s score because of the Online Pass, Insomniac should not be penalized for Sony’s policy, especially since it seems they are aiming for a multi-platform future."
Review the game the devs made. Nothing else.
Possibly, because then the pass would have been unique to Resistance and it would only be associated with the pass so reviewers could dock the game points for it.
It has been...I'm not sure what else to say.
"And you think the online pass is just a new feature initiated on the PSN or by ubisoft?"
I know when this fiasco slowly started. Whether you're reading when I've written, or reading between the lines, I'm not sure how you could've come to the conclusion that I was insinuating [your quote] in the first place.
Personally, I don't think you truly read my response, but instead are stealthing anything and everything about UC3 that could shed a bad light on it. I wouldn't be surprised if you post something like "I betcha they rated it lower just because of PSN Pass" when UC3 receives it's first 9/10 score. Although that's just me speculating, it is reasonable speculation when considering what site we're on.
PSN pass does not remove a single bit of enjoyment that I'm certain Uncharted 3 comes crammed with.
Ridiculous article is retarded (not in an offensive way, retarded has a dictionary definition that isn't what you're thinking Mr Moderator.)
Edit: Long Live Play. Still can't get over it.
PSN pass does not remove a single bit of enjoyment that I'm certain Uncharted 3 comes crammed with.'
Spot on
thumbs down again bukaku
It should have been asked years ago, when EA were doing it with Mass Effect 2 and Bad Company 2.
To be honest, we kind of let it happen. We have to blame ourselves partly, not just the publisher.
It doesn't affect me because I'm a good, honest consumer who buys new for the most part, but I can understand the flaws of this online pass system: lending a game to a friend, losing your account etc.
I don't really support the used market besides games from last gen and beyond!
Did he also cut off his penis to spite the last girl that snubbed him?
as for trolls in that article going on about gears 3 being free online, a few words can be said xbox live gold, which does indeed cost you money
They don't seem to understand that the online pass isn't an extra charge on top of buying the gaming at normal retail price.
They also don't understand that the used game market doesn't compare sales wise to the regular game market, so its not like you will see dozens of copies of UC3 or Battlefield 3 in every store to even worry about the pass in the first place.
Why?
Because the alternative is worse! The price could only include the single player. And you were required to pay subscription for each month you play...
Sounds familiar?
Uncharted 3 Nov 1st. Skyrim Nov 11th Can't wait.
If they or any website go this route, then they should hold other games that came before it accountable as well. The fact that you would dock points for not being accessable for other content, its absurd.
Your reviews are supposed to reflect on the QUALITY of the title, and this review pass has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the gaming experience as a whole. God I hate kotaku.
Can we get away with deducting points for Online Passes if we can't come up with any other faults??
Now today, they reminded me of that reason.
Ok...COD:Black Ops 5/10 on the XBox360 and 8/10 on PS3. Why? The XBL Online Pass. I can no longer play it online on my 360 since I went Silver, therefore I lost half the game I paid for, whereas on the PS3 I can keep playing my wife's copy online ad infinitum, at no extra charge.
So yeah, no. The "I cancelled my Uncharted 3 preorder" editorial (why not Batman or BF?) only solidifies your less-than-reputable reputation, Kotaku. See you guys on PSN's 'The Tester' as guest judges again once you start missing the spotlight.
Everyone gets super upset at the fact that diablo is going to require an internet connection at all times to play. People are mad at that, with this mentality don't they deserve to ensure you people are playing with one single copy?
STOP defending this intrusive measures. All they do is hurt the consumer on the facade that I'm not buying new.
I play games at my house and my brothers. With online passes and dlc vouchers for parts of the game is a slap to the face.
And please stop with this whole well if your brother wants to play it have him pay it too.
THIS MAKES NO SENSE!
This tactics are ridiculous and the same ppl that complain about others paying for live defend this.
smh
THey are totally different. Live you have no choice but to spend extra money. While the pass, is you have a choice. You either just buy the game new, which most people do or buy it used then you have to pay.
Is seriously not a big deal if you always buy it new, but if you buy used, then its A problem.
lol... reading this comments i realize how stupid you people are. Sony and MS manufactured the "console" war to keep moron fanboys fighting each other and distract you from the fact they are both going to rape you in the ass.
they are releasing online passes, overpriced dlc, removing features they promised... but you retards just keep on fighting about your stupid console war. Not like there is much more here at stake like... you know the future of gaming?
you people make me sick. Fighting over stupid plastic boxes but letting companies rape you for everything you've got.
wii, ps3, and 360 owners should just tell MS, Sony, and greedy publishers to take a step back and re-evaluate their business plans or you people arent going to buy their games and consoles anymore. Jesus christ how short sighted can you be?
How slow do we as gamers make ourselves look by, making a mountain out of a mole hill?