PS3 development is no longer 'an issue', says Bethesda

IncGamers: The key is not to treat it like a PC or 360.

[Wizziokid]

yeah I've heard dev's say this sort of crap before, all I can say is we shall see. I do hope both 360 and versions are equal though, it's only fair

[fluffydelusions]

Agreed. Still cannot believe how shite Blops PS3 was compared to 360

[TheFirstClassic]

Took them like seven patches to make it bearable.

[Corepred4]

That game still sucks. lol no matter how many patches.

[hellzsupernova]

bullsh*t i played that game at launch and had NO issues. i never glitched out through the campaign nothing. The online was fine ran well everybody is just a whiny bit*h.

[saladthieves]

Let's hope Carmack is listening.

[nveenio]

Welcome to 2009, Bethesda...

[FAGOL]

Go into the multiplayer menu then back to the main menu. RECALIBRATE EVERY FREKIN SETTING AGAIN.

A billion patches later. It still isn't fixed.

Maybe ignoring problems actually fixes them.

[jony_dols]

They shouldn't even be commenting about PS3 architecture this far into this gen.

Just don't try and pass off 360 as PS3 gameplay footage & fool us into buying a potentially inferior console version.

Bethesda own iD now, so take a leaf out of their book, and release an console version that looks & performs great on both platforms. And actually show us PS3 gameplay prior to release, à la Rage.

[ProjectVulcan]

'The key is not to treat it like a PC or 360'

What so PS3 is a totally different system???? Bethesda just realised this????

Well done guys.

[hiredhelp]

The key is not to treat it like a PC or 360
DOH" thats were ive been going wrong its not the same style of cpu and ram. Oop's YLOD errr error command line code357
Need ring naughtydog for help dam engaged gurrilla games errr whats area code. oh god sucker punched

[kcuthbertson]

What?

[hiredhelp]

called being funny. Forget it pal

LOL no not trying to hard i just talk alot. differnce its my personality i have a dry sense of humor wow really n4g.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Nah you were just trying too hard.

[Undeadwolfy]

Lol. I found it funny. :D

[trenso1]

How was that funny it just sounded like pure nonsense I don't even know what your were trying to say

[hiredhelp]

Undeadwolfy
Thankyou for understanding my sense of humor ;)

Just to clarify what i was getting at was simple.
Bethesda need to go back study how the ps3 cpu ram vga all work together instead of just lifting the hood.

But hey its ok its just me "trying too hard"

[AntBoogy90]

The only thing funny is how much this doesn't make sense..

AND how your replies were complete run-on sentences lol.

[Horny]

Bill Cosby?

[jony_dols]

Is hiredhelp the Bill Hicks of our generation?

Me thinks not.

[BakedGoods]

It's not your sense of humour it's your failure to articulate it.

Take more English classes maybe. Use periods.

[neoandrew]

Yeah and then we get another crap...

[xxLuckyStrike]

Lol.. This gen is nearly over.. Day late and a dollar short

[theonlylolking]

It is only fair to use the full potential of both consoles.

[andibandit]

hmm saying this before one of their biggest releases ever. lets just say that "I'll believe it when i see it".

[itsallgud]

I'm sure they'll get the maximum offered on both consoles. That they'll be equal may be another matter all together, but it won't be the developer's fault. Look at Rage. John Carmack is a legend in the developers world and Rage runs of the best it can on xbox and ps3. But the two aren't exactly equal according to digitalfoundary.

[damnyouretall]

yeah i hope so too. im buying for my ps3 cause the xbox isnt very durable when you play hours on end. this game deserves the long haul

[Mr Tretton]

That's only true if you have an old 360. I have one from 2009, I can play it for hours and the fans never, NEVER even have to kick on full. I've never heard the fans of my 360! The newer 360's are even more stable.

My PS3...launch PS3 mind you, sounds like a small jet in a matter of minutes.

[damnyouretall]

yeah i have the old 360

[jony_dols]

I don't know why Playstation don't give gamers the option to save our games onto our Hdds & play the game while the disk is in the drive.

If the 360 can do it successfully, I don't know why PS3 owners are restricted to playing the game off the Blu-ray.

It puts alot less strain on the drives laser, improves loading times and it quietens down the console during gameplay.

What's the point in having a 500GB Hdd in my PS3 and not being able to take advantage of it while gaming? Which is the PS3's primary function after all!

[xenovis]

I hate when a dev comes out and says that PS3 is more difficult to develop for a wave of Sony Fanboys immediately attack that developers skill. The fact of the matter is the primary reason we hear this is because they are comparing development to the Xbox which is a completely different systems. This is then compounded by two facts:

1. This generation has seen the largest migration of historically PC only developers switch to console development, and these developers do not have previous experience with console development.

2. Microsoft worked with game developers and primarily PC developers to bring them into console development. Microsoft did a great job of working with developers for 2 years to design the Xbox360, and even had many revisions of the dev hardware in developers hands over a year before the release of the console. Game developers were making requests in every level of design of both the hardware and the development API/interface (XNA) for the Xbox360. Hell Epic cost Microsoft $1Billion dollars in design and build costs for the 360 by recommending a hardware change to upgrade the memory from 256MB to 512MB. Microsoft did everything they could to bring PC devs and by proxy new IP to the Xbox360 by having game developers integrated into every level of hardware/API design and implementation. Whereas Sony had a botched launch of the PS3 on nearly every level. The earliest game developers were give dev kits for the PS3 was 6 months before launch. Even Gaffe went on record noting Sony's failure to work with developers on designing and helping them understand the drastic hardware change to the cell architecture and sending out broken dev kits and unsupported, nonworking, undocumented API's that prevented developers from making quality games. Many 3rd party game devs came out with stories within 2 years of release stating they were having to work directly with Sony dev liaisons to have API's fixed and to get shit documented so they could disseminate the information to their team on how to architect a game around the Cell's memory management, which caused real headaches and led to many devs having to cut corners that hurt PS3 versions of multiplatform games. I know I am going to be down voted into oblivion but I believe Sony is completely at fault when developers publicly speak about development headaches on the PS3.

[lumley666]

Now I'm gonna start by saying I love Sony and wud choose a ps3 over a 360 every time. But wat you say is mostly true. I think Sony has done wonders this gen with its games and ps3 I love it to bits. But the biggest mistake they made was the achriculture of ps3. Made things so much harder for themselves. I think next gen Sony need to make sure its allot easyer to develop for ps4

[death2smoochie]

Brilliant post

[josephayal]

So easy a CAVE man can do it

[Ser]

HAR HAR HAR

lol

On topic: I really hope so, it'd be nice for both versions to be equal in quality. Everybody wins.

[sashimi]

Fallout 3 & New Vegas..... makes my Ps3 crap out a lot! while 99% of other games i've played do not...

[SilentNegotiator]

Other developers have shown what they're saying to be right, but it's true.....who are Bethesda to make such claims when they're recently released pathetic ports like New Vegas?

[boommuffin]

to be fair Bethesda has only released oblivion & F3 on ps3, F:NV was by obsidian & they basicly reused everything from F3. with Skyrim they got a new engine so maybe it will work better with the PS3 since Oblivion & Fallout 3 used the same engine & that didnt turn out too god on PS3

[SAE]

i agree with you , i finished fallout new vegas , i don't care about the bugs but i don't like the freezing part , i restarted the ps3 alot....

i liked the story of the gamebut the gameplay sucks for me...

[Fanbot]

better for them

[Tarantino_Life]

"The key is not to treat it like a PC or 360" Wow! How intelligent. Did you guys realize that just now? WTF!!!

[RegorL]

DICE mentioned earlier that if you develop for PS3 it will run well on Xbox and PC as well.

The PS3 has lots of CPU power, but you need to feed it with small jobs.

On PC you traditionally divide up your job in a few big threads - that wont work on a PS3... And it won't scale to CPUs with more cores than designed for.

But if you divide up your work in lots of small jobs - it will both work on PS3 and scale to more CPU cores...

It would be really interesting to know how many cores BF3 can make use of on PC...

[Voxelman]

It can scale to 8 cores apparently, and will probably be the first and only game this year where a bulldozer CPU will beat an Intel one. Even if it's just barely and then there is the fact that BF3 beta at least was actually quite light on the CPU, but that could change a bit with the full destruction and further optimisations on the final version.

[maniac76]

then it should look better than xbox lol

[barb_wire]

Yeah, well, I'll believe that statement when I'm finally playing 'Skyrim' on my PS3.

[Awesome-Xanto]

As much as I like my PS3, this is one game that will defiantly be purchased on my Xbox... because I know it will run good on the Xbox... the PS3 on the other hand - well past experiences speak for themselves.

[news4geeks]

what about oblivion, it ran very poorly on xbox.

[digger18]

Why are you getting disagrees? Not only was Obliviion 720P on the PS3 (around 600P on the 360), it had a lot less poppins, way better draw distance and lighting.

[Rush]

It was also released a year later on the PS3 fudge nut.

[Awesome-Xanto]

Well I never had Oblivion on the PS3, I had it on Xbox... and I never really had an issue with it.

But I did have Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas on the PS3 & Xbox, and they ran horribly on the PS3. Considering they used they same engine as Oblivion I wasn't sure how it ran in comparison.

I know Skyrim has a completely new engine, but I don't have faith in them when it comes to them developing for the PS3...

[Bigpappy]

Which 360 did it run poorly on? Do you realize that they actually lead production on 360? The PS3 version came way later a they did some nice tricks with the Bluray to help it run well. But the 360 version ran very well.

[WetN00dle69]

What Rush said. The PS3 version came out 1 year after the 360 version. SO it had a full year of tweaks and was made into the better version of the game.......or was it?? Yes granted it had better lighting and draw distance BUT with a price. The PS3 version suffered from frame rate drops more so than the 360 version. The PS3 superior version came with a heavy price!

[Reborn]

Only time will tell, eh?

[solidboss]

if its no longer an issue then PROVE IT show some damn ps3 footage already!

[JellyJelly]

Proof is in the pudding.

[CaitSith]

Or jelly, in your case.

[Deadman_Senji]

Bethesda is so incompetent and worthless. These are the devs who so many of you look up to? Get real, man.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

When my game freezes after the first 60 minutes of play, I'm coming for Todd.

[Drabent]

LOL Imao bubblezzzzzzzzzzzzzz~

[MRMagoo123]

I love my ps3 and all but i suspect getting this on the pc would be the best choice, i may get it for both tho which is more likely that not.

[Venjense]

Yeah it's not an issue with the most capable devs but to the less talented it certainly is.

[Tonester925]

Time will tell.

[Miacosa]

Proof is in the showing, let's see a full PS3 walkthrough demo like we've seen on PC/xbox.

[kcuthbertson]

We haven't seen any PC footage yet have we?

[thespaz]

*sigh*

Rockstar did NOT develop LA Noire.

incgamers... amateurs.

[CLOUD1983]

Studios like "Naughty Dog", "Santa Monica Studio", "Guerilla Games", "Sucker Punch" & more have shown countless times already what exactly PS3 is capable to do, why PS3 is the console with the best hardware.
The trick is obviously to "study" more the console else u wont be able to release it's full power, Naughty Dog admit that after 3 UC games they r sure that this time they top consoles power and use every last drop of juice the console could give, and it wont be possible to do a better looking game in PS3, can Mr.Carmack say the same? or maybe he didn't try hard enough.. ?

[kramun]

The thing is that while Naughty Dog only have to concentrate on one system ID have to make it work on 3 seperate systems, and even more to try and make it work as well as possible on the various pc setups there are.

It's very easy for someone to say 'Oh look at what Naughty Dog/Santa Monica Studio/Guerilla/Blah blah blah can do', but it's much harder for a dev to work on a multiplat game. There is only so much they can do, they have to get the game working as well as possible for all.

If ID only worked on ps3 I think they would be just as accomplished as those other studios in what they can achieve on one system. But they have more on their plate and limited resources to do what they can.

I think comments like 'or maybe he didn't try hard enough.. ? ' are small-minded, and quite ignorant.

EDIT: @PixL

'No, they don't have to. They chose to.'

No, they really do actually. Besides, they got my money and I got my moneys worth. Although I bought it on pc.

'Sony studios don't fail to deliver'

There's been plenty of Sony produced games that have had technical difficulties, and have also been lacklustre. They aren't godlike.

[PixL]

No, they don't have to. They chose to. They wanted my money but failed to deliver. Sony studios don't fail to deliver so they get my money. If you can't do your job properly, change your job. That's very simple and fair.

[leemo19]

I'll believe it when i see the final game

[Bolts]

Exactly. I'm getting this one for the PC, Vegas was lesson learned. Full me twice already with Fallout 3 and Fallout Vegas.

These guys can not do do games on the PS3 period.

[Bobbytheblobby]

i'll get on 360

[BubloZX]

New Vegas has only froze once for me on ps3. Other than that runs fine

[TopDudeMan]

Well, of course they're gonna say that a month before their biggest game of the year comes out.

They've already messed us up with the dlc now they're like oh yeah we're experts at the PS3. For shame, bethesda.

Nevertheless I'm looking forward to skyrim, but won't play it til they've released a few patches. That game will not be perfect.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

I dunno heard people did say they couldn't distinguish the Xbox from the PlayStation version. Saying they couldn't tell from the 360 gameplay to the PS3 gameplay so this could be a legit.

Or more PR stuff however you take it.

[danielle007]

Only took them .. years and years.. for it to not be an issue.

Hopefully Skyrim doesn't have the issues that all the other Bethesda games have had at launch.

But we'll see. Huge, dense worlds = lots of room for error, so I'm usually forgiving.

[Mr Tretton]

I remember this guy talking about how they mastered the PS3 back in 2008...then I played the PS3 version of Fallout 3. Not so good. 360 version was a lot better.

[mrkeith]

It took them how many years to come to that conclusion?

[Bebedora]

I'll buy their stuff when it has been patched...oh wait:

"Go into the multiplayer menu then back to the main menu. RECALIBRATE EVERY FREKIN SETTING AGAIN.

A billion patches later. It still isn't fixed. "

Oh, crap!

[zero_cool]

@Mr Tretton wrong again guy watch this...

P.S...other video added for fun enjoy everybody!

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!

[zero_cool]

Anyways it's pathetic it took them this long to figure out that you can't treat the PS3's hardware architecture like the other gaming platforms hardware architectures lolz!

Cheers Gamers & Happy Gaming!