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Forza 4 vs. Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Video

GameTrailers: From the glossy reflections to the detailed interiors, can you spot the differences in this side-by-side comparison? (Forza Motorsport 4, Gran Turismo 5, PS3, Xbox 360)

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PirateThom  +   1002d ago
Both look awesome.

Forza more bright and vibrant, GT more subdued and "TV like(?)".

GT5 still has better car models for the premiums, but the fact the Veyron in GT5 is a standard definitely shows how unacceptable that is.

Not a bad comparison, actually. Tried to match it as much as possible.
Outside_ofthe_Box  +   1002d ago | Well said
Doesn't GT5 have weather? The GT5 vids seem to be taken in cloudy weather.

I give it to GT5 though because it looks more realistic. Forza looks good, but like you said it's bright and vibrant which does add to the appeal of the look, but isn't realistic.
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Unaffected  +   1001d ago
I guess havent heard the sounds of Forza 4 cars

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
likedamaster  +   1001d ago
The sound of Forza cars alone beats GT5 which you conveniently left out PirateThom.
StanLee   1001d ago | Offensive
jony_dols  +   1001d ago
@StanLee

GT5 looks dated?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

How can you claim that this claim that this looks dated?
EVILDEAD360  +   1001d ago
Been playing Forza 4 for the last hour..I could care less about the comparisons..

Forza 4 is the TRUTH..the scenery alone is on another level. The game is complete driving satisfaction.

Turn 10 deserves ALL the accolades for this game..I've seen the back and forth talk, the pics, and the vids.

I put Forza 4 in my 360 playing my wireless wheel on my 65 incher with my ridiculously expensive Turtle Beach wireless PX5s while reclining in my gaming seat...Pure Racing Bliss..

I traveled to Ferrari World and drove their simulator..and other the motion it didn't top Forza 4's Ferrari visuals.

Add on Vista and Kinect for kicks..just the complete pack

Nothing against GT5 at all..I'm fan of PD..but Turn 10 definately pulled of a phenominal game

Evil
TUGA  +   1001d ago | Intelligent
@ StanLee I put GT5 and F4 pictures side by side and asked my mother wich one looked better. Mind you she is not a gamer, she isnt a mindless fanboy drone and hasnt a (weird) allieagence to makers of pieces of plastic. The verdict GT5, i asked her why the answear: GT5 looks more realistic. I can trust her opinion, yours not so much.
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Dmarc  +   1001d ago
Il just post these here :)
http://www.abload.de/img/gt...
http://h6.abload.de/img/gt5...

Good day

Haha
but nah
Forza shows Xbox 360 can pull off great graphics with the right people.
I enjoy forza 4 alot
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guitarded77  +   1001d ago
WoW they're both amazing... and you guys still have to fight about it. Each has something a little different to offer, and both look and perform amazing. There, was that so hard.
ApplEaglElephant  +   1001d ago
Premium Car models goes to GT5
Premium Car models goes to GT5
Realistic Weather changes goes to GT5

Static background goes to Forza.

both have its advantages and disadvantages.
tehnoob3  +   1001d ago
Adding weather is actually a huge addition because each cars has to be individually tested for accurate feel during weather conditions.
GrandTheftZamboni  +   1001d ago
Check Forza's low polygon count at 1:30 on top of the windshield.
nix  +   1001d ago
i like how this guy was 1st in Forza but was struggling at 3rd in the end.
chadachada123  +   1001d ago
Funny you mention that, TUGA, I paused it right at the part with the Camaro driving around that turn in cinematic mode (midway through), and asked my mom what she thought. After she watched it for a few seconds, I told her that it was a video game, and she was like "wait, really?"
SnakeShady  +   1001d ago
@ Evildead360

"ridiculously expensive Turtle Beach wireless PX5s"

I have a 15.000 euros 7.1 home theatre system. that is ridiculously expensive, not your cheap turtle beach set.

ps: also, i have a g27 racing wheel. not a wireless shit.
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dantesparda  +   1001d ago
Wow! this is a horrible comparison, why is GT5 so cloudy looking, why does the contrast look so low? while Forza looks all bright and sunny? these comparisons people make are so on even its not even funny. To all you 360 fanboys, go play GT5 on any tv, heck even SD tv's and tell me if it looks that low contrast, that cloudy.

I call bullshit on this comparison
TheMailman  +   1001d ago
GT5 KING OF THE ROAD.. Hands down!!!
SilentNegotiator  +   1001d ago
I like how people talk up "sound" of cars they've never heard for any longer than they've raced by at the Indy 500, and other cars that cost more than most people make in several years. Look out, everyone! Here come the "car sound experts"!

Forza doesn't even have half of the variables/conditions you can use in GT5. Forza 4 is STILL a lower resolution with less AA. And the premium GT5 cars look absolutely amazing.

And people praised Forza 3's cracked roads detail and Mt. Pop-in as a background 1up from GT5, too.
MaxXAttaxX  +   1001d ago
They're definitely trying hard BUT GT5 still looks better and realistic.
Cherry-picked comparisons and using Standard cars? How low can GameTrailers get? Again!

Superior and realistic lighting.
http://i54.tinypic.com/2rmp...
http://i55.tinypic.com/2dul...
http://i54.tinypic.com/vybp...
http://i55.tinypic.com/2me9...
In motion.
http://h6.abload.de/img/gt5...
http://i51.tinypic.com/122l...
http://h7.abload.de/img/gt5...

* Also, GT5 menu and photo car models are the SAME as the in-game models.
* Froza 4 menu car models are DIFFERENT than the in-game car models which are lower poly and have lower LOD.

* GT5 also has dynamic day/night and weather changes and runs at a higher resolution.
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yesmynameissumo  +   1001d ago
Forza 4 looks fantastic, but seems almost too bright. That's minor though really.
da_2pacalypse  +   1001d ago
To compare a game that was in development for like 8 years to forza who has been in development for like 3 years is ludicrous.
Kyur4ThePain  +   1001d ago
No, they both cost $60 so a comparison is completely in order.
PirateThom  +   1001d ago
GT5 wasn't even in development for 8 years anyway...
SoapShoes  +   1001d ago
Someone doesn't know what he's talking about... ;) Looking at you da_2pacalypse.
mugoldeneagle03  +   1001d ago
@Kyur4ThePain
GT5 dropped to $39.99 worldwide last week to coincide with the 2.0 update.
morganfell  +   1001d ago
@da_2pacalypse,

Except you are ignoring the fact that Forza 4 is built on the previous Forzas. If you are being honest then you know that Forza 3 is a huge part of Forza 4. You act like Turn 10 fired an EMP pulse in their studio prior to starting work on Forza 4 to insure there were no vestiges of Forza 3 remaining. Simply not true.

You are also attempting to put aside the truth concerning when the development of GT5 focused solely on GT5. I would say nice try except it really wasn't a very nice try. Not at all. Anyone with google can shoot holes in your attempt with no effort at all. Zero in fact.

Forza 4 looks great but if you are going to criticize then use facts.
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da_2pacalypse  +   1001d ago
GT5 had at least 2x the amount of development time that forza did... That is a fact, and that is all I said.
Example: If you were to compare graphics for Rage and call of duty, Rage wins hands down because it was in development for like 6 years, while cod is still running off the same 1998 Quake3 engine... I hate cod, but maybe I wouldn't hate it so much if activision would let its developers have more development time.... see what I'm saying?
DigitalAnalog  +   1001d ago
"GT5 had at least 2x the amount of development time that forza did."
Then you should'nt even be comparing Forza 4 at all. By that reasoning alone, you would've inferred Forza 2 as it is the most fair assessment to your statement since GT5 is the FIRST entry to the PS3 whereas Forza 4 just reached it's 3rd re-iteration since the release of the 360. As morgenfell stated, you act as if Forza 2 and 3 had nothing to do with the development of 4.
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Diver  +   1001d ago
"while cod is still running off the same 1998 Quake3 engine"

Thats a ridiculous comment. Do you have any idea how much of the quake engine there still is in cod? Not much. It isn't the same engine. Thats like saying that Windows 7 is the same os as Windows 95 just because there are a few lines of base code left over. The whole kernel was rewritten. As I said ridiculous comment to make and you just did yourself in with that one.
SoapShoes  +   1001d ago
@da_2pacalypse... GT5 had twice as long as a development cycle??? Where do you get that from?

Dec. 2004 - GT4 was released.
E3 2005 - Vision Gran Turismo was unveiled( they scrapped that whole game).
Feb. 2006 - Tourist Trophy was released
Dec. 2007 - Gran Turismo 5 Prologue was released
E3 2009 - GT5 shown officially for the first time.
Oct 2009 - GT PSP released.
Dec. 2010 - GT5 released.
Oct 2011 - GT5 Spec II released.

This is with other projects like designing the GT-R's dashboard, the GT by Citroen and Kaz's racing... You see now? Since GT4 it wasn't all development on GT5. You had three full games and one concept game that they decided to do away with.
banner  +   1001d ago
But da2pac has a point...

How long was prologue out for? Yea forza 3 was made but there was no forza3.5 with yrs in between of forza 4.
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WANNAGETHIGH  +   1001d ago
GT5 Wins
JellyJelly  +   1001d ago
In fanboy count on N4G.
Obelisk92  +   1001d ago
... and graphics.

... well, not at all, actually. The backgrounds in Forza are better than GT5's, hands down. But the premium car models in GT5 are just... unbelievable.
ConstipatedGorilla  +   1001d ago
JellyJelly has it right. GT5 was just "OK". Too many fanboys here.
zeddy  +   1001d ago
some cars look great in gt5 while others look half finished. that corvette looks better in gt5 but the bugatti looks better in forza. i bet forza has better a.i than gt5, that was a killer for me.
PirateThom  +   1001d ago
That Veyron in GT5 is a standard car, if F4's looked worse, I'd be asking questions about what Turn 10 were doing.
killerhog  +   1001d ago
Haha you got this dude pirate. Gt5 looks/sounds/handles better than forza 4 but forza is brighter and more cartoony as i like to describe the scenery of forza games.
rezzah  +   1001d ago
Instead of how the Bugatti looked, I was focused on the sound...

In the still shots of both vehicles, in GT5 the engine could be heard rumbling. While in FZ4 it was completely silent, unless the car was moving.

Just something I noticed.
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Bigpappy  +   1001d ago
The GT vid is too dark. It has nothing to do with cloud cover, as you can see the refections and the light effects in the car. That darkness makes the colors to dull. They look like 6 year old cars that were not kept in a garage and lost the fresh paint look. Forza looks bright and vibrant which to me is ideal.

They booth look good though.
byrnezy  +   1001d ago
I agree, but at the same time Forza is simply to shiny an bright, almost looks a little fake. Just my opinion, Forza seems to have a little more detail but honestly flying around at 200 km/h I don't have time to take in the backround scenery too much lol
r2kcipher  +   1001d ago
they both have the same level of brightness except in the beginning when there are clouds. so i have no idea what you mean.
kneon  +   1001d ago
I've been to the Ferrari museum in Maranello a few times and a museum quality car in a museum setting is pretty shiny.

But in the real world, going around a dusty, greasy race track it's a different story. Even GT5 is too shiny, Forza is even worse.
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DigitalRaptor  +   1001d ago
Looking purely at the visuals as a basis of judgement, Forza's cars look bright and shiny - unnaturally shiny, plastic shiny. In my experience, cars don't look that shiny or bright.

What PD have gone for with their models in GT5 is a much more natural, higher-poly, photo-realistic look. Sure it looks faded on a screen, but that is how reality dictates it!
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Dmarc  +   1001d ago
@Digital Exactly
I thought we all discovered this when everyone was saying Laguna seca looks better in shift than gt5.Then the comparison to the real track gt5 won.
Ballons and excessive signs posted all around the track seems to make people think it looks better .I prefer the more realistic approach gt5 took.
To me forza does and always have looked a bit plastic but that dont mean in no way shape or form the graphics arent good.
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fr0sty  +   1001d ago
GT5 gets the photorealism down better than Forza, which favors brighter colors and lower quality reflections. GT5 nails that subtle blue hue of the sky reflecting off of the cars and windshields. Some of the backgrounds are better on Forza though. Forza looks good, but GT5 looks amazing... And manages that look at near 1080p resolution and even in 3D.

Forza bests Gt5 in some features, but graphics has never been one of them. Kaz has always known how to push the boundaries of a system to achieve a very photorealistic effect. GT4 still amazes me running on a PS2.
DigitalAnalog  +   1001d ago
Correct me if I'm wrong
But doesn't the premiums of GT5 cover the ENTIRE interior right down to the fabric underneath the seat? What about Forza, did they replicate this detail too? Just asking.
RedDragan  +   1001d ago
No, Turn 10 didn't replect that. They just bolted the interior on the car.
SuperBeast811  +   1001d ago
why would you waste the man hours and money to replicate that?sounds like that would waste like..5 years of dev time ............oh wait lol it did
UltimateIdiot911  +   1001d ago
@SuperBeast
You fail to understand the dedication and enthusiasm for cars that PD has. Because of that, it's the reason why GT has the following it does today.

The game is made by people who know and loves cars. It shows through their work that they really hate to half ass their work.
kikizoo  +   1001d ago
Pirate thom is right, but gametrailers well known biased site (look@the move's reviews..lol) try hard to make forza on par or better than GT5 (visually).

some comparison screens are really shamefull here (and i even don't talk about the ridiculous "black"/contrast set up for ps3)
Information Minister  +   1001d ago
I like how they went the extra mile to compare GT5's Veyron (which is well known to be a standard car) with the one in Forza 4, as well as one of Forza's autovista models with GT5's in-game model of the same car. Yet somehow, they didn't bother to compare weather, night racing, rally or stereoscopic 3D support on both games.

Reminds me why I rarely go to that site anymore.
tickticktick  +   1001d ago
Forza 4 http://www.metacritic.com/g...

GT5 http://www.metacritic.com/g...

GT5 took five years to make and it looks five years old
MariaHelFutura  +   1001d ago
You understand PD has a roughly 3/4 less people working on their games. Comparing the time they took is not fair at all.
BubloZX  +   1001d ago
lol the metascore don't mean its gonna sale GT numbers. and beside those reviews where before most of the patches and bug fixs for GT5
MariaHelFutura  +   1001d ago
This makes me hate EA, both of these game should have Porsche.
eliasg  +   1001d ago
No doubt FORZA 4 looks and plays better than GT5. Olny blind fanboys can deny that..
Silly gameAr  +   1001d ago
Blind fanboys is right. When you constantly try to trash one game to make another look better, that's petty. I see that in these articles comparing GT and Forza all the time.

Pretty sad stuff.
Forza_is_King  +   1001d ago
LOL at the blind fanboys still trying to justify GT5's superiority.

Standard cars make up 80% of gt5's cars. Not 10%, not 30% but 80%!!! That is almost a complete game.

People trying to justify that 20% of GT5 is a representation of 100% of GT5 is just unbeliveable!

Forza 4 has 100% of its cars with high detail outside and inside. That is 500 cars with more coming via DLC. Cars like the Veryon should ALWAYS be high detailed. Its an insult to the manufactueres that build these beautiful cars to be represented in a manner that Sony portraying them.

IMO since ONLY 20% of GT5 has "acceptable" vehicles to compare to Forza 4's 100% of acceptable cars, its a no brainer then that Forza is the better game since it is a complete game. Anyone arguing that GT5's premeium cars are better looking than Forza's cars only has a 20% argument which between the 2 games is still subjective. Meanwhile the other 80% of the argument will always go to Forza because interuor views for GT5's standard cars are cardboard cut outs with ZERO detail and no gears or indicators.

GT5 is the infirior game all around. Reviwers have agreed and have stated Forza is the better sim/game including reviewers that specialize in sim games like insidesimracing.tv.

Enough is enough. Forza has established itself as the new top sim racer on consoles. The only ones that refuse to accept this are the Sony loyalist on this site.
eliasg  +   1001d ago
thumbs up!!!
DigitalRaptor  +   1001d ago
Yet people on here and people who I've spoken to who own a both consoles and have played both games still think GT5 is the better "sim racer", which I'm not sure if you're aware was Yamauchi's vision for GT5.

Which game is better is simply a matter of opinion, since people have different opinions on what is "fun". And we all know Forza never aims for true realism since Turn 10 have said themselves that it isn't fun, whatever that means. Someone is trying to make a game - someone else is trying to make a sim - how hard is that to understand?

Which game was more complete at launch is not opinion, but fact. Forza 4 might offer a more complete package, but feature-for-feature, the comparison is tighter than people like you will ever recognize. And with a name like that... no-one is convincing you with anything!
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XabiDaChosenOne  +   1001d ago
@Forza_is_King The cars ported from GT4 look better than the cars in Forza 4. Thats factual.
Dmarc  +   1001d ago
Only 25 of those 500 cars are availible in autovista.
btw 20% of 1031 (not including dlc ) isnt a little
Cant wait to see what the argument is when those standards get updated to premiums.
And its obvious to tell who has and havent been playing gt5 because you would know the standards have been getting improved vastly through each update.Most are almost on par with shift 2 cars
sporteous121212  +   1001d ago
Who agrees that Forza_is_King is just as much a "blind fanboy" as the people he is trying to argue against? You can pretty much guess from his user name but the arguments made a weak and the logic doesn't make sense for the point trying to be expressed.

It doesn't make sense to compare the percentage of premium cars in GT5 to the cars in F4 because the number is irrelevant. GT5 has roughly half the number of premium cars as Forza 4 has cars total. The percentage would only make sense if both games had the same total of cars.
Morpheuzpr  +   1001d ago
GT5 had 80% more content almost a year ago than what FM4 has today and 80% more support for racing wheels and 100% more support from its dev. at a 0% of cost. So in conclusion you're 100% full of s**t.
JANF  +   1001d ago
both look great.

The lighting in GT5 benefits the cars, but not so much the background. It makes them look lifeless, in other hand the vibrant and bright colors in F4 make the cars look more plastic but brings the background to life.

like some people say both have their own advantages and disadvantages.
showtimefolks  +   1001d ago
few things
we are comparing a year old sim racing game to the one that just came out how is that fair?

weather affects missing in forza 4 why? and don'ttell me you could careless because GT5 has the best weather affects and with this free patch they are giving the users more control with weather

forza 4 is missing Night racing how come?

if you want to call it a complete package than those 2 are major missing features along with nascar

coming from someone who is not that big f a racing fan i like both, so if we can stop this fanboy comparison thing will go a lot better on these gaming sites

its like when gt6 comes out and improves upon what forza 4 does right and than we compare that forza 4 and that is just not fair.

best of luck to turn-10 this game deserves to sell a lot because they have done a lot of great things with forza 4 enjoy fan without turning into fanboys
mendicant  +   1001d ago
That's such crap. How is it not fair to compare two first party racing sims that are on their latest itereation?

The SDF is alays doing this. If you're not introducing some insane caviet to support your lame arguments, you're blatantly lieing.

Reach is constantly compared to KZ3. By your logic we sholdn't do that because one came out before the other.

Stupid.
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Jazz4108  +   1001d ago
All these comments prove is there are more sony fans on n4g than ms.
DW74  +   1001d ago
Evildead360 did exactly what a mature gamer would do. He plainly stated what he liked and why, WITHOUT attacking anyone or anything else. So clearly SnakeShady is just another arrogant comment section douche.
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marinelife9  +   1001d ago
I still can't get over Forza's plastic car shaders. I mistake Gran Turismo for reality especially in the rain. One look at Forza and you know it's a game.
FanboyPunisher  +   1001d ago
lol@ all the GT5 fanboys
Aint like they have a game to play, they all flock to the only GT5 article in months to be almighty defenders of the GT5 fanboy.

LoL;

To anyone being the fanboy
lol @ GT5 (Soo f'n ugly!)

To anyone not being a fanboy
They look pretty identical; close enough imo.
DaThreats  +   1002d ago
GT5 seems to have more realistic colors
Pl4sm4  +   1001d ago
forza with its hilariously blown out of proportion bloom is funny
units  +   1002d ago
Forza hands down
theonlylolking  +   1001d ago
looks worse than GT5
heylo  +   1001d ago
this shows what the GT5 engine is capable of:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...
JANF  +   1001d ago
I have to say that F4 looks more realistic in those pics and GT5 looks more vibrant and colorfull.
nefertis  +   1001d ago
GT5 hands down
Enmson  +   1001d ago
i wish that i can have both in the same time :(
Micro_Sony  +   1001d ago
Forza vs GT

The equivalent to Marvel vs Capcom
NotSoSilentBob  +   1001d ago
Nah Forza vs GT is equivalent to Marvel Vers DC. And if you want to throw Need for speed in that mash it would be Marvel vs DC vs sunday comics.
Lyr1c  +   1001d ago
You're forgetting that Capcom characters are much weaker than their Marvel counterparts. Only a small few from Capcom could actually compete.
stonecold3  +   1001d ago
gt5 wins for me
Ryo-Hazuki  +   1001d ago
GT5 wins
Unaffected  +   1001d ago
Wins what?
Pl4sm4  +   1001d ago
best racing game out there *
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vandal GAB  +   1001d ago
is forza 4
sak500  +   1001d ago
Wins fanboys wars
evilunklebud  +   1001d ago
GT wins... no

Forza wins... no

Gamers win.... yes
HeavenlySnipes  +   1001d ago
oh gosh. This post is going to make a lot of people have one bubble left by the end of it lol
Ace_Man_6  +   1001d ago
And ironiclly enough, you already have 1 bubble lol xD
dirthurts  +   1001d ago
GT5 color is more realistic, but I personally like some color pop.
I don't think there is enough of a difference to really complain about either way. You won't really notice when you're racing.
Enjoy the games!
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Noticeably_FAT  +   1001d ago
Forza 4 is the definitive racing simulation of this generation. I haven't really stopped playing it since came out. Turn 10 is definitely firing on all cylinders.
one2thr  +   1001d ago
How?......
Noticeably_FAT  +   1001d ago
Well I play it on an almost 60 inch HDTV with the force feedback wheel, now with the Kinect integration and the head tracking it immerses you into the game unlike any other game on the market.

The shear level of customization you have with the game is unreal, the Forza series is the highest rated racing series of all time, not just this generation, but of all time.

Each car and track is rendered equally and you can tell Turn 10 really took their time and put a lot of thought and effort into the game.

That's how, but again...it's just my opinion, except for the highest rated thing, that is factual.
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NoOoB101  +   1001d ago
@ noticeably fat

Gt5 also has head tracking if u didnt know..

As for the customization..+1 for u cuz forza has awesome customization.
As for the reviews..GTA 4 got the highest reviews ever but almost everyone says San andreas is way better..just saying u shouldn't point to reviews these days. I personally prefer Gt5 because i like the driving physics more but that's my opinion.
Cupid_Viper_3  +   1001d ago
@ Noticablyfat

here's a quote from Turn 10 themselves: "How many cars and tracks are in Forza Motorsport 4?

Forza Motorsport 4 will feature 500 premium cars on Disc 1 and 2. It’s roughly 300 cars on Disc 1 and 200 cars on Disc 2. There are approximately 320 cars carried over and updated from Forza 3 as well as approximately 90 cars carried over and updated from Forza 3 DLC. The remaining 90 are so cars are new to Forza 4. Starting at launch, we are currently planning to add ten cars per month via DLC Add-On packs—this will include the Day 1 American Muscle Car DLC pack (free via a code to LCE buyers) as well as new packs starting in November."
http://forzamotorsport.net/...

from same link: " There are no tracks on Disc 2. There will be two environments available for DLC on Day 1. Every new copy of FM4 will include a code to download these environments for free: Top Gear Soccer field and Benchmark Test track.

We chose not to update a small number of our tracks and ribbons to use our new engine. As a result, there have been two environments cut from Forza—New York and Sidewinder were not updated to work in the new engine. The long version of Amalfi Coast was also removed, though the short version remains with some small gameplay modifications. In addition we have also removed the Bugatti version of Le Mans Circuit de la Sarthe, though players will still be able to race both the full circuit and the Old Mulsanne circuit. In addition to tracks like the brand new fictional Alps track which we showed at E3, we have also added Hockenheim as well as new tracks yet to be announced"

so I just thought I'd help you out a bit with a few facts from the creator of the game himself.

and here's a link for GT5, in case people still have any doubts: http://www.gtplanet.net/for...

judge for yourselves folks.
RBdrift  +   1001d ago
As of march 2011 6.3 million fans dont agree with you. I rather let real car enthusiast do the talking rather than reviewers not liking that you cant put idiotic fast and the furious "decals"on there customized cars.

http://www.industrygamers.c...

http://www.polyphony.co.jp/...
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Cupid_Viper_3  +   1001d ago
@ Dk286k Well no reviewer has come out and flat out says it like that, but In every Single GT games that have been on consoles, you have always been able to fine tune your car, as far as engine, weight, camber, downforce, brake bias, you name it, All GT games have that, they only thing they don't have is where you go and paint the car to your liking. So when reviewers say lake of customization, it's pretty obvious what they're reffering to.

I mean, I can't recall another game that was judged on their menu layout and get points deducted for that.

I mean, even going back to GT5P, they rated the game down because, you guessed it, It was a prologue, that's literally insane. It's like you walk into a restaurant, ordered an appetizer, and rate it down because the appetizer is not a full meal.

but you're right though, Heavenly sword, uncharted 1, killzone 2, warhawk, infamous, and gt5 and all that never had any bias against them. It's definitely in their heads.

It's pretty simple, the big hitters from Microsoft always come with "perks" while Sony offers nothing, so the only way to get money from a Sony game, is to kinda take jabs at it, which brings hits, and cha ching.... because we all know that a perfect score won't get many views, so no hits, so they money is made elsewhere for xbox exclusive. <<<<<<no facts to back it up, just my humble opinion.
RBdrift  +   1001d ago
I never said the GT5 is perfect and its far from perfect. Polyphony can learn a lot from T10 and vice versa.
As much as i dont like shooters, Infinity ward and Treyarch sure as hell know how to make a decent shooter that appeals to everyone world wide. And 12,000,000+ speaks loudly that someone's doing something right.
EVILDEAD360  +   1001d ago
GT actually shipped 6.3 million. PD released their shipment numbers and it was turned into they 'sold' 6.3 by many sites and of course fans.

They had only shipped 5.5 million out of the gate. They didn't SELL through and more in a few weeks.

The proof was when the charts for December and January released their numbers. NPD alone..Forza 3 came close to outselling GT5 the very next month.

Even look at media create..look at the European charts.

But as of now..I'm sure the game has probably hit 6 million plus..just not when alot people pretend it did.

Just pointing it out
TKCMuzzer  +   1001d ago
As good as it is, it will not be the definite sim until you can race at night and in the wet.
palaeomerus  +   1001d ago
So PGR4 was a sim? LOL!
mendicant  +   1001d ago
Why?
TKCMuzzer  +   1001d ago
Why? Simulation is to simulate. How can you only simulate dry weather in the day when racing takes place in the wet and in some cases at night.

I'm not having a go because it's not GT5, I'm saying it can't be the definite simulation until it fully simulates the genre it's in.

Racing is a skill but it's a skill in all weather at all times, not just when the suns shining.
nyobzoo  +   1001d ago
this is from a site that bans users from making vs threads and yet they do it anyways O_O
evilunklebud  +   1001d ago
i have 'em both.... and it is so close ( visually ) that it is not really worth arguing about.
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beast242tru  +   1001d ago
i was fooled i really thought forza 4 looked better but from that p.o.v gt5 looks more realistic
YourFlyness  +   1001d ago
Both look impressive.

GT5 looks like real life

F4 looks like a video game
qwertyz  +   1001d ago
they both look like videogames no where near real life
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iamgoatman  +   1001d ago
I'm thinking the same thing.

I've know idea what world he lives in, but neither look like real life. That's not to say they don't look great, because they do for a game but anyone claiming one or the other looks like real life needs to spent more time away from their TV/monitors.
FlyShootRaceSims  +   1001d ago
@ qwertyz: Amen! Common sense is severely lacking in this sight! I'm glad there are still people like you left. +1
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Unaffected  +   1001d ago
Real life?
Neither look like real life
chadwarden  +   1001d ago
Need 4 Speed II beats both.
AdmiralSnake  +   1001d ago
Just stop.... please the nonsense you just posted is making me imitate my Icon picture.
marcoskids  +   1001d ago
GT5's epic Presentation
+ Forza 4's Epic sounds

= Ultimate driving game
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MerkinMax  +   1001d ago
If I were to make a hybrid.........
GT5's premium car models
Forza's environments
GT5's weather and TOD settings
Forza's community and customization features.

Yeah, that would be amazing.
InTheLab  +   1001d ago
You hit the nail on the head.

I'm not sure how anyone disagrees with you. Anyone that's played both games (well...at least familiar with FM3 since 4 just released)extensively know what each game lacks. GT5's premium vehicles trump Forza's and Forza's tracks (I love how it looks like someone has at least driven on them) and sounds trump GT5's.

I wish it were some way to filter out the phantom disagrees from people that, most likely, haven't played either game...that way, all that have could have a serious conversation about games.
tehnoob3  +   1001d ago
I would add gt5 physics to that list also
BrianC6234  +   1001d ago
How detailed are the cars in Forza 4? This is something I never see mentioned. The standard GT5 cars look pretty good but the premium cars are great. I couldn't believe the photos I took when I used the camera mode. It was like the real car was in the game. That's detail. I hope Polyphony is working on making more premium cars for DLC.
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Ddouble  +   1001d ago
I think the lighting and models are better in GT5. GT5 overall just looks more realistic but Forza has the better sound.
402  +   1001d ago
depends on the track and cars(whether premium or standard) gt5 graphics are inconsistent some tracks look like they where ported from ps2 compared to others
bigboss911  +   1001d ago
Gt5 looks better. And some of Trackshots shows how Gt5 is better at lighting and the fact that Turn 10 apparently have never visited some of the tracks they model. Also Forza cars look like plastic. Forza is not a bad game, but comparing it to other sims is retarded.
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bigboss911  +   1001d ago
Fact#1 People can use Gt to become actual racecar drivers. http://www.nissanusa.com/gt...
Fact#2 Kaz has gone on to win races. Still crickets on Turn 10's end. http://www.joystiq.com/2011...
There is two undeniable facts right there. Care to retract your statement??
Ilikegames76  +   1001d ago
But...but.. Forza 4 has tire deformation!..
You should have seen Brian Ashcraft of Kotaku praising Forza 4's game play showing the "realistic" cosmetic damage of a BMW driving the wrong way and crashing the other cars. After crashing into so many cars head on, the BMW is still able to go on with just a lot of scratches to its body.
lazertroy  +   1001d ago
Heres my take on the Whole Forza 4 Vs. GT5

It all comes down to Content. Forza 4 when you think about really is forza 3.5 it only has like 90 new cars,no porse cars,no Weather effects, and I can go on about all modes,cars,etc. that are missing from Forza 4 that are included in GT5. Not to mention the recent 2.0 update GT5 just received.
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Sharingan_no_Kakashi  +   1001d ago
As for looks it's Gt5. Forza has come a long way though.
shikamaroooo  +   1001d ago
Obviously gran turismo 5 has better car models than forza anyone in denial is just kidding them selves
402  +   1001d ago
depends on what you mean you know that gt5 premium car models look much better than standard right ?
Action GO FIGURE  +   1001d ago
Source... Imageshack? Nice bullshot.
shikamaroooo  +   1001d ago
Comparing standard car models shows how childish you are
iamgoatman  +   1001d ago
Premiums yes, standard cars of which the game is mostly comprised of, no way.
ironwolf  +   1001d ago
Alright then, lets show a couple of photo mode shots from Forza 4.

http://lyonshome.org/pics/f...

http://lyonshome.org/pics/f...
tehnoob3  +   1001d ago
That's one of the 24 auto vista exclusive models
NoOoB101  +   1001d ago
Idk why ur trying downplay gt5 graphics with photo mode shot..GT5 has a photo mode as well thats looks excellent.

http://www.ps3attitude.com/...

http://nerdbastards.com/wp-...
Hicken  +   1001d ago
Too bad those aren't the same models you'd be driving on track, isn't it?

Seriously, now that the game is out, PUT THOSE CARS ON THE TRACK and then see if they look the same. You already know they don't.
Oner  +   1001d ago
Just 3 of my favorites ~

http://img87.imageshack.us/...

http://img528.imageshack.us...

http://img57.imageshack.us/... <- Absolute favorite

Oh and before I forget to mention, these are from GT5 PROLOGUE. GT5 has surpassed those...But anyway here are some facts that certain people won't address nor likely admit ~

GT 5 is running at 50 percent higher resolution.
GT 5 has more cars on the screen at once.
GT 5 has massively more detailed car exteriors.
GT 5 has massively more detailed car interiors.
GT 5 has a lighting and materials model that looks and entire generation beyond Forza’s cheap and cartoonish rendering.

And a wake up call about Forza having the same abilities/capabilities already in GT5 ~

"If we cut down on the number of cars on track, used original Xbox-generation car models, dropped to 30 FPS, or (and this would be the most effective solution) built specific tracks from the ground-up to have less detail and thus extra performance headroom, then night racing and/or weather conditions may have been possible. Some of those trade-offs, we just were not willing to do. Others would require time that we used to develop other features in the gamespecifically, the new graphical look of the game in general. Night and weather are features we will continue to evaluate as the franchise continues. We're waiting for the right time to deliver these features to our fans."

The above was taken from right here ~ http://forzamotorsport.net/... Turn10/Forza's OWN website...
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Yodagamer  +   1001d ago
they both do look pretty good, they just appealing in a different way
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J86blum  +   1001d ago
I have a PS3 so I have GT5, if I had a 360 I would have Forza its simple as that. they both are great games.
AhnnQuirajj  +   1001d ago
Wow... really liking the engine sounds and the textures in Forza 4. Got a lot of nice touches here and there, what with the Top Gear track camera views and whatnot!

Not tried the Spec II update but heard it's quite good so need to see if that'll quell my hunger for new features in GT :p

If PD seek to make the greatest driving simulator methinks they should be looking to the competition to see what they're doing right and wrong and try and implement some changes into the game, starting with some of the top rated suggestions on the GT-Planet feedback section.

Wouldn't get an Xbox for this but if I already had one I'd be on this quite quick!
NatureOfLogic  +   1001d ago
GT5 FTW.
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fashionfreakj86  +   1001d ago
HERES WHAT I THINK:

Cockpit views: Forza looks better
Everything else graphics wise: GT5 but Forza has better Damaging
Weather effects: GT5 because Forza has none
Car sounds: Forza
Physics: Forza
Handling: Forza
Tuning: Forza
AI: Forza
Selection of cars: GT5
Customization: Forza
Game modes: Forza
Online: Forza

GT5 may seem more realistic in the graphics department and with the variety of cars it has but the overall gameplay is far more superior in Forza 4.
402  +   1001d ago
gt5 is not more realistic in the graphics department because not all tracks and car models look good, 800 of the cars look like they where ported from ps2 and a number of tracks also look like ps2 quality in comparison to others I don't know why some people on here don't talk about gt5s visual inconsistency

even at its best gt5 and forza 4 are very close visual quality wise it all depends on opinion they do seem to have different color schemes.

gt5 does have more features though(weather effects on some tracks)
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leogets  +   1001d ago
graphical standpoint both look amazing. gt5 has the upperhand thoe for realism. forza always has far too much vibrant colours resulting in a video game visuall.gt5 colours are realistic to real world colour and contrast so it looks like ya watching a real tv race. as for gameplay i cant speak about,i dont like driving games they are soul destroying for me. and yeah your right gt5 is consistant which is its major flaw. but when it shines it fucking shines lol
Cupid_Viper_3  +   1001d ago
It's not just weather effects, and night races, but also Nascar races, Rally RAces, Kart Races, Indy Races, a wider selection of cars, that regarless of their looks, with the best driving physics on console: " "which franchise emerges the victor? Well, having played Gran Turismo 5 a lot, I feel that it still delivers the most realistic-feeling and authentic driving simulation experience. Brilliant though Forza 4 is, Gran Turismo 5 just feels a little more convincing at the limit, if only by a few degrees. And while the lighting and graphics in Forza 4 are outstanding, Gran Turismo 5 manages to articulate an atmosphere in its dynamic lighting and weather effects that is simply gorgeous. It also has more cars, but while their quality hits higher highs than the best in-game models in Forza 4, many – indeed most – of them are vastly inferior." From GamePro http://n4g.com/news/860362/...
soxfan2005  +   1001d ago
I think it's HILARIOUS that you say this up above:

"Dude, please don't bring up reviews, I personally think that over 80% of them are bought or influenced"

Yet, here you are quoting a review when it suits your needs.

Of course you want to dismiss reviews as mostly biased and flawed - they don't support your opinions. So, you just shrug them off. Well, the reviews are here to stay, and as others here have pointed out, media bias is just an excuse for not wanting to believe the truth.

As far as GT5's other modes like Nascar, F1, & Rally - it's nice that they are included, but any 360 gamer can play those games. There are plenty of Nascar, F1, & Rally games (as well as games with rain & night driving) available for the 360. Taking a bunch of games that already exist in better forms and lumping them together in one game is hardly revolutionary.

Besides, Nascar fans are rabid, and they want full slates of drivers and tracks - not just the 10 drivers and 2 tracks GT5 offers. Same with F1 fans.

You also say :"why doesn't Forza 4 let you escape the confines of reality, and take your virtual Ferrarri on a beautiful track in the sunset, or at night". Forza 4 does offer sunrise & sunset variations of many tracks.
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Tito08  +   1000d ago
@ Soxfan, I'm a Red Sox fan as well, but I have to disagree with you, having Nascar, F1, Rally, Kart in one game is a very huge deal, & they're not bad features like lots of ppl make it out to be..... Rally started in GT2, F1 in GT3, now Nascar & Kart in GT5, which means they're giving you variety in one game a better deal than buying separate games.... There are 4 Forza games & still have less features than GT games, come one, Turn 10 calling Forza "This Gen's definite racing game", yeah right my ass!!!!!

Like you said, Xbox gamers can play those separate games, as well as PS3 gamers along with GT5, you may like your shiny Forza with Autovista, car paint, & the online community, but I still consider GT5 the better game not only for having Nascar, F1, Rally, Kart, but also Track Editor, GTTV, snow and raining weather, night,can't beat that pal, I could careless about how shiny & beautiful cars are when all I want is drive it!!!!!
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imt558  +   1001d ago
@fashionfreakj86

Physics: Forza

Physics in F4 better than GT5.... Em, i think not.:-)
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ZombieAssassin  +   1001d ago
Love both series I prefer GT because of weather and night/day transition but I'd gladly play them both if I still had an xbox.
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