'Why are so many people trashing Modern Warfare 3?'
Games Master says: We're bamboozled by some of the bile that gets flung in Call of Duty's direction too, Ari - they're still great games online and off, and that's reflected by their mind-spinning popularity.
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On this website it has calmed a lot. The hate was unnecessary and it seemed people were defending future purchases. It was cool to hate on COD. I am just glad a large majority here have changed their tune. No need to hate on a game like it was back around E3
Given the fact that COD games sell more and more each year, can you really blame devs for not wanting to deviate too much from the formula?
If you want to hate on something, blame the vocal majority who vote with their dollars saying that they don't want change.
The only thing Activision is doing is giving the majority what they want. They won't take a risk for the overly judgmental silent minority on the Internet.
Very simple COD= 60$(game)+60$(DLC)+60$(ELITE)= Low quality graphics,ancient game engine,bots spawning instead of dynamic a.i,multiplayer that is same as previous games with new maps and perks(changed perks not new),still the old COD games issues are not fixed.(wtf its at the cost of Vita)
BF3 = 60$ = pre-order bonus dlc of BF2 maps + best looking graphics+64 players+free online community system+there is nothing negative to tell about it.
The real reason people have changed their tune is they realized the console version of bf3 (at least the beta) just proves how much of a superior shooter call of duty is.
But once Killzone 4 or some other sony exclusive shooter like Starhawk is set to release, people will go back to hating on COD and saying things like "cant wait to preorder ____ , better then cod". Once people stop playing those exclusives, Only to have the whole process rinse and repeat.
Rehashed or keeping to the obviously winning formula, IMO if they didnt change from the first modern warfare ide be happier than ever i dont like the changes all i want are new maps a new story and some new guns all the other crap they keep adding isnt needed.
The truth is not many people hate COD when compared to how many who love it. Just a very small percentage of people that like to waste their energy bashing it on forums, thats about it.
Mw3 is 60 dollars and if you want elite it comes with all the extra features and all dlc for the game. Yea thats 120 dollars but its for people who mainly/only play cod. $120 isnt bad for a year of gaming. I wont need elite as just the game has more content than almost every other fps but its a good deal if you play alot. Looks really fun to me.
I'm sorry, but cod sucks. I have no respect for people who support Kotick's demand for world domination using a rehashed game every year... you're all fools...
People love to hate when ur succesfull,selling alot and making money.
To the people saying is the same thing ur just contradicting ur self. Y change a gameplay fans love and r used to? Or what do u want a RPG FPS where u have to find ur guns,make ur guns when u find them and make golden bullets that splits into 5 when u fire them???...Gears of war,Uncharted,Halo,God of war..e.t.c some of the biggest games kept the same gamplay the fans are used to. Look at killzone3 the gameplay changed from killzone2 and some fans of killzone2 was not happy. Cod fans love the fast paced arcade gameplay so y change what the fans love?
And as for using the same engine y do u care so much. Cod fans r not complaing so whats ur beef??? All they care about is having fun they dont care about if the texture on the 360 version is the same as the Ps3 version or if the gun on consoles look the same on PC or if the PC version looks better than crysis. In a way those are real gamers,they dont bitch about graphics like 70% on people on this site, thhey just play the game because it brings fun to them online when they r bored and that is what gaming is all about fun.
Sorry, but what I don't like is all the people who think it's the best game ever and don't want anything to change. And the fact that Activision is fully aware of the power and influence they have over their fanbase, and are actively exploiting it disgusts me.
$60 worth of DLC for a game? Really? Full price for a new copy of it a year later? Charging for an online service very similar to what other games will be implementing for free? Running on the same engine for the fifth straight game?
Keyshawn Johnson would say, "C'MON, MAN!"
There's no excuse. Really, there isn't. I enjoy the game when I play it at friends' places, but I cannot rationalize that being stagnant is okay simply because people keep buying.
Let me repeat that, a little more clearly:
THERE IS NO REASON FOR NOT IMPROVING.
Be all the fan you want. Enjoy all the games you want. But when you're getting the same game three years from now, it'll be too late to complain, because your money fueled the stagnation. They kept seeing record sales, and kept raking in the cash, content that they could continue to do with ass little change as possible.
I played COD MW2 LOADS! I loved the game but it had glaring issues. The developers absolutely lazy mentality was exposed with that game. How long did it take for them to bother listening to the community about hacks and glitches, imbalances like the model shotguns, ignore the community about downright moronic addotions like painkiller etc? Once they safely got their money they abandoned the game and proof is in how long it took for them to bother a small glitch where you shoot from inside the rocks in the Fuel map iirc.
I know cod, I knew the spawn points, got over 140 nukes and my mates and I would LOVE a great call of duty game. But I'm not paying £40-£50 for the same bloody game with the same over powered shotguns and hardly any changes at all!! It actually looks like an expansion pack. It really does!
I hope the game is good but I highly doubt the developers are deserving of any praise because I don't see any real effort whatsoever on their part to move the series along. This is exactly what happened to Tony Hawk and Guitar hero. Do you think it was harmless then by running the franchise into the ground by giving us annual versions of the same game?
i admit im hating on cod now. but next gen i will definetly buy it again. i want change and improvements. cod2 and 4 are my 2 favorite games this gen. it lost its intensity and mojo so im kinda bummed. so i say fuck activision for their bs the last few years milking what should have been great. they dont give shit back to their fans, especially charging for cod elite. does my opinion make me cool? no just disapointed and bitter enough to post this on a website
This is for the many morons and idiots plauging this site and every COD article with the constant missimformation becuase there is nothing worse then a loud mouth overly opinionated douche bag who obviously has no clue what the hell they are talking about.
MW3 is $60 COD Elite is FREE COD Elite Premium is $50 ($40 if you got hardened edition) and it includes all the DLC before everyone else along with first try of anything new that comes to Elite down the road. Many other perks and upgrades for premium membership as well, if you are an avid COD player or someone who gets all the DLC its more then worth it not to mention it can all be run and done on your console with the game and no need to go to a website on your PC for anything.
I suggest all you tools go to the Elite site to see what its really all about because its obvious many are clueless about what its all about. http://www.callofduty.com/e...
And also everyone bashing the gameplay and such, I too was highly pissed with MW2 and swore the series off but they are changing so much that I have way way less concerns going into MW3 then I did going into MW2, I could tell MW2 was going to end up a crap shoot in many aspects and it did but MW3 seems to be doing everything right for the most part, IMO this will be by far the BEST COD experiance to date. Look up the articles and read all the GOOD interviews and then tell me you don't have high hopes for this game.
Has anybody else notice that all the guns in MW3 sound the same?! Now im not saying MW3 gameplay is bad because its not but you have to admit everything about this game screams REHASHED.
If it aint broke dont fix it. A old engine can be just as great as a new one. The newst engine id has made is crap(from what we can see from RAGE) compared to the engine modifications IW has done.
"Because it looks the same as MW2 and people think this is just milking?"
But I wouldn't say thats a reason to have "hatred" for a game.
Instead, wouldn't the natural human response to the game be to simply ignore it? No one, to my knowledge, is being forced against their will to buy MW3..so theres no reason to have THAT strong of a negative reaction towards it.
They are allowed to hate it, just like you are allowed to defend it blindly. Stop worrying about what other people think in general and you'll be much happier. Plus, it's a fucking video game. I wish more people were this passionate about their politics.
@LOGICWINS - I dont know if you are purposefully being daft to get a kick out of it. The topic is "Why are so many people -trashing modern warfare 3" The answers are being given in this board such as " Same bullshit" , "feels like expansion pack and that it should not be worth 60$". This is their opinion. You do not have to counter saying there are millions who find value in the game and are ready to pay 60$ because no one is denying that. The topic was not -" Why ppl love MW3" so stop typing BS. ppl are giving their reasons why they trash talk. Some ppl agree and some ppl dont.You really need lessons on Logic.
@YogiBear 1. Some people ARE that passionate about their politics. We call them extremists on the world I'm from. 2. If more people were THAT passionate about their politics, some of us would be waiting in line for a cyanide shower.
On topic: @Logicwins: I do ignore CoD. I don't care if it's the greatest game ever, or the biggest pile of crap to ever stink up a Best Buy shelf. I'm just not a fan of first person shooters (don't like the perspective). I have friends who are borderline CoD addicts, so I do read about it occasionally. I just don't buy the games.
How can you be jealous of a game? The hatred/dislike stems from the fact that Activision milks the franchise, releases yearly bug-ridden games without improvement between sequels and in recent cases, the decline in quality.
Furthermore, people don't like the fact the people can continue supporting these developments, like those casual sheep of the mainstream who would rather have mindless fun than think about the consequences this kind of support will have in this industry. Most don't even realise that the devs who made MW2 are not making this game.
Activision charges a higher RRP than most publishers and gamers let them get away with it. Their DLC cycle also rips off gamers, but they let them get away with it. Gamers also will unjustifiably pay for their Elite service which other games offer for free.
Battlefield and similar FPS franchises push forward, whilst Call of Duty (a fun game for many) stagnates on the familiar.
lol, @DigitalRaptor "How can you be jealous of a game?"
-lol, the same way you can "hate" a game. Simple really since they are both just emotional responses/feelings, towards a entertainment product.
-I think Les-Grossman hit the nail on the head, "Jealousy" is exactly why you haters follow COD.
-Here I'll fix your first paragraph: The *jealousy/envy stems from the fact that Activision has a very popular franchise,with 2 fully dedicated but seperate dev studios which allows them to meet the massive demand for COD by releasing a yearly game that actually has 2yrs dev time...consequently COD continues to grow while its detractors whine and cry wishing their less popular favorite game was in COD's position.
-Its funny 'cause most of the haters, cant resist, they'll be right there playing it in Nov....just like last year, thats when you know you have a great game when your haters root against right up until release day then go out and pay their hard earned money for the game they hate. lol
"they'll be right there playing it in Nov....just like last year, thats when you know you have a great game when your haters root against right up until release day then go out and pay their hard earned money for the game they hate."
Well it's a good thing I am a man of my word then. ;) I might play it occasionally - living in a student house with friends and Xboxs leads to that sort of thing, but I'm certainly not handing over any amount to play it and I think a lot of people will do the same. Not significant a percentage enough to count for anything though (goes without saying).
I "hate" on it because I'm bored of what is to me: a franchise of stagnation and complacency. My opinion. And because Activision are close to being the worst offender of milking overpriced content in some of the least consumer-friendly ways possible, in this industry. Fact.
Because each years people pay 70$ to buy a new game running with the same engine. Because during this year there are 5 or more maps pack to buy to have the complete experience of the new COD episode. Because the mechanics of the multiplayer hasn't change for years. Because people get bored with it.
I don't know there are many reasons. There lot of people that are enjoying it, i'm actually gonna buy the new episode beacuse i'm gonna play with some friends that will never play an other game (kind of sad by the way), but i find totally normal that people are bored or upset with this licence.
If those people and i'm one of them were not saying that this licence was going repetitive as hell, Activision would continue just to sell us the same game wich they already do. I think we need more people trashing COD, not to kill the licenec just to force Activision to reconsider their politics. They earned Billions i think they can put money on the table to pay the licence a new engine.
I only pay $60. The game is complete out of the box. DLC is completely optional. We don't want them to change the mechanics there's nothing wrong with them. If it aint broke, don't fix it. Then buy a different game.
You want a new engine? Why? I'm fine with the graphics in current COD games. Besides IW and 3arc want that smooth 60FPS experience. Great physics and amazing graphics just aren't possible at 60FPS in current consoles. But if you're really that bored of its graphics then wait till next gen. I bet Activision is working on a new engine just for next-gen COD.(Yes I know PCs are far more capable than consoles but COD games are developed on consoles as lead)
Because people arent smart at all and cant see the fact that IW are the actual makers of COD (or whats made it successful) and actually see treyarch as valid.
Go look at all the past CODs and you will see its IW that innovates and actually adds stuff
plus EVERY SINGLE COMPETITIVE SHOOTER copies it nowadays so im gonna stick with the original
Its not the same IW, everybody from IW including the founders West and Zampella you know the one's that made COD what it is today left and formed Respawn Entertainment and are now working with EA. Activsion only uses the name Infinity Ward to fool people (the casuals) into thinking its the same developers.
Old engine is the main reason. While i personally enjoy the single player of MW and COD, i think its time for activision to purchase the Tech5 engine, and build their games in that.
Otherwise they will be run over by EA and their decision to use frothbite on all their games.
haven't you played the bf3 beta in xbox? frosbite 2 is worst than frostbite 1, it is uglier with all the image tear, low res textures, etc. so in consoles, you're argument is as plain as dumb and you a moron.
BF3 has a high res install pack on disc. That was a beta of an old build. Frostbite 2 is miles better than the 1st. (Played pc and console versions). Plus there is more dynamic effects going on than in cod. I'm just saying.
BECAUE ITS THE SAME FREAKING FAT, NASTY PIG, JUST WITH LIPSTICK ON IT.. yet, the zombie, nerd, fanboys will stand it line @ midnite release only to complain for the 1st week and how bland and just like MW2 it is.... $60 for a expansion pack???? No THANKS..
Well people have listed most of the reasons above but think of it this way
Would you rather
Support a game which has been giving us the same crap year after year
or
Support a game where the developers have actually been hard at work trying to make sure that their game will be the best possible game this year. Uncharted 3 and NaugtyDog, Batman AC and Rocksteady, Skyrim and Bethesda or even Battlefield 3 and DICE.
It's horriable to see a game get so many sales where it seems the developer dosen't even give a sh*t when other games that get released around the same time should be given more attention.
Let's not forget as well most of the COD crowd aren't even gamers but act like they are and think COD is the best game in the world because of it's sales when in reality all people buy it for is because it's a social gimmick which lets people blend into higher social groups without the whole "Your less popular" thing coming into question. As long as you share a common interest for a while "fitting in" has never been so easy.
without going as far as ditating who is or isnt a gamer ... there are indeed lots people that purchase like two games in a year : cod and fifa (or pes , or maybe madden in usa)
"Let's not forget as well most of the COD crowd aren't even gamers but act like they are..."
What!?! CoD players aren't gamers? Wow, that is the most absurd thing i have ever read. Maybe, just maybe it has high sales because millions of players find the game fun, that might be a reason.
"... in reality all people buy it for is because it's a social gimmick which lets people blend into higher social groups..."
Social gimmick? When did CoD become Facebook? That comment goes beyond absurdity into the realm of complete nonsense. CoD isn't for you obviously but please don't start making these elitists/snob comments as if you're better because you don't play what the mainstream does.
I find it funny too, everyone is yelling for CoD to change its formula. But when other games do they get sh*tt*ed on by its fans for change (DA,ME,KZ3,R3,FABLE3,etc.etc.)
And before people label me as a cod fan, i'm not. I'm a BF:BC2 guy, I hated Black Ops but i will never hate on the series just for the sake of hating.
Wow....got to applaud you at first for that god awful rant.
Anyway to adress a few things you've completly taken the wrong way
"What!?! CoD players aren't gamers? Wow, that is the most absurd thing i have ever read."
Look what I wrote...."MOST of the COD players"....meaning "most" of the audience who plays COD.
"Social Gimmick"
Wow you really are clueless about the term of the word. Guess you didn't do Psychology as one of your courses in school/college.
Everything someone does to fit into a social event is a social gimmick. Take this for a differen't example...let's say you know someone who people don't give a crap about, one night they go out to town get drunk and come back to school/college a "legend" they then milk that and keep going out since they know people like that when he does it. After a while it gets stale so he goes out get's really drunk and also makes an arse of himself because he's done something differen't people take interest again........to him getting drunk for the attention is HIS social gimmick. If someone who wasn't a gamer knew a group of people were hyped about COD they would go out (being a gamer or not), buy it, play it and then talk about it to that group of friends like it's the best thing in the world despite not liking it....again that's his social gimmick................you see what I'm getting at. Social Gimmicks can be in differen't forms.
"But when other games do they get sh*tt*ed on by its fans for changs(DA,ME,KZ3,R3,FABLE3,etc .etc.)"
The difference with those games is that the developer takes time when developing the game and tries to make it as good as they can. IW or w.e developer is working on COD...don't because they don't give a crap. Again ignoring what I said.
"but i will never hate on the series just for the sake of hating"
LOL....erm, I gave my reasons so I'm not hating on it for the sake of it.
So just because you write "MOST, SOME, LITTLE, ALL" doesn't make that statement any less moronic.
Wow, just wow..that example of social gimmick has... wow. It's obvious you didn't go to college for psychology either. I won't comment on that any further.
"If someone who wasn't a gamer knew a group of people were hyped about COD they would go out (being a gamer or not), buy it, play it and then talk about it to that group of friends like it's the best thing in the world despite not liking it"
I thought that was called word of mouth, I never knew it was called, officialy called a social gimmick. How do you know that person didn't like it. Just where do you get that theory from? Sounds more of that said person being a sad sack more than a "social gimmick". Again that example makes no sense and doesn't apply to the MILLIONS of fans who buy CoD.
So just because friends recommend a game to another person and that person gets the game its a "social gimmick"?
"The difference with those games is that the developer takes time when developing the game and tries to make it as good as they can. IW or w.e developer is working on COD...don't because they don't give a crap. Again ignoring what I said."
Wow, more elitist commentry. I never knew you were on the developing team of CoD. Here I just thought you were just some guy on the net posting opinions on N4G. But here you are, with actual inside and indepth knowledge of the development cycle of CoD. You even know they don't give a crap. My bad.
Again i'm going to say this:
Do not hate on CoD just because YOUR favorite game is getting overshadowed. CoD has gained millions of fans from its fun multiplayer and anything else a CoD fan might say about the game.
@maniacmahem not everyone is asking to change the formula. we are asking for the content to justify the price. each iteration since Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (CoD4) has been not much more than a reskinned/modified game. ALl the Modern warfare Assault guns sound the same, and pretty cheesy. It takes away from the immersion. I used to be a hard core CoD player. I had Medal of honor: Allied Assault, Call of Duty 1, 2, 4, and Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops. I have been around long enough, and spent enough cash to learn that its pretty much a 4 year old game with a 20 dollar "DLC" I mean mod. I would pay 20 dollars new for it, because that's all it is really worth. And I would like to think my opinion has some merit considering the time and money spent on these titles. Oh well. Have fun playing it, but you may need to use your imagination, because there isn't anything new about it, except maybe the space in your wallet.
Well for one, gamers have been getting ripped off due to the pricing from software since the 80's. Now Activision is charging $100 bucks off the top to have the full version of the game. It's not like I don't wanna have the game, but even with its new bells and whistles I don't think it's worth the initial price considering its still the same ol engine, using the same ol platforms, and deep down inside it's just a twitch shooter. It doesn't even compare to Nintendo and Sony's first party games, and honestly I feel the pricing is a slap to the face of real gamers.
Heres the thing. Millions of people across the globe BELIEVE COD is worth $60 every year. Thats all that matters.
@DA_SHREDDER- How are people getting ripped off when they are happy to spend the money to get the game Day 1? If you AGREE with a smile on your face to pay a certain price for a game...how are you getting ripped off?
I'd say there's been more BF3 hate than MW3 hate. People should buy the game they want and shut up. I don't want either but it's funny to watch this story. It's the latest war in gaming I guess.
lol whats funny is if u notice when COD articles come up just as many ppl hop on in attack mode 2 bash it...
& if u go thru this there are just as many ppl who disagree wit the ppl who defend it.
& i hardly think sales are important just due 2 this one game who doesnt want a game or a product that sells
really its kinda lik a movie u go 2 watch then when its over at the time u wouldnt mind a lil more of the same...
while most ppl complain about how the devs who make COD dont do nething its alot more than most ppl on this site do for making a game if it was such an old useless engine why doesnt ne1 who complains make a game using it & see how easy it is 2 just copy & paste over a new game make millions then show how ne1 can do it?
People hate on CoD because it is mainstream and the majority of people find it fun and addicting so it is only normal for it to generate haters. Think of a Justin Bieber or Lady Gaga or Lil Wayne, they are the top of the game and are loved but are also hated for being there. People want to go for the underdogs(BF3) to win.
The main argument is people are buying the same game over and over again.
Well why are you concerned with how people spend their money? I'm not concerned if people blindly hate a game because personally I enjoy CoD but that's me, just find it slightly moronic to complain about a game that you claim your not buying.
Oh it's not an opinion as I have not played the game, this is my prediction and when the game comes out then it will become a FACT. Opinions are only given when the person is uncertain about something but I am sure MW3 will be the same game, lil wayne is a terrible rapper and justin bieber is not talented at all. My logic wins.
are you insane? top of there game? lil wayne is trash and makes no sense, justin bieber has no talent and i don't listen to lady gaga to speak on her. COD is and has been the same game over and over and you are blind to say it isn't. have fun listening to lil leggings wearing wayne while playing MW3. people like you BF players don't even want to buy the game. you have problems and any BF player that tries to get a COD player to play BF do yourself a favor and stop wasting your time.
"Don't worry about what other people are buying. Worry about you."
It's hard not to worry about what other people are buying, because what other people are buying ends up shaping the gaming industry into something a lot of us don't want. Instead of trying something different, devs will be influenced by the likes of CoD and will end u p preventing something of possible greatness being made, simply to cater to the masses.
He is worrying about him, because what other people buy will end up influencing what he likes to buy.
so u say had COD not been as popular some devs would be out making completely different games...lik when mario was around there were a ton of platform games that every single one sucked cuz we were unable 2 get a good one(sarcasm we got a few)...basically all im sayin is cuz 1 game sells alot doesnt destory the whole industry yea theres gonna be clones but u cant blame the model for everything bad after.
after a certain point devs hav 2 go beyond what others are doin & they already are lik everyone points out there are a ton of other games worthy of attention that are made now if ppl who complained about COD went 2 post about those games & posted as much in favor of those games instead of comin 2 COD what do u think would happen?
cuz bottom line lik dey say any publicity even negative is good so they're only helpin in the end.
I'm not talking about straight up clones, I'm talking about established franchises that are being pressured into adding CoD elements into their games. Just look at games like Resistance 2 and 3, Uncharted 2 multiplayer and the tons of games these days that have incorporated perks and killstreaks and other cod crap into their games.
If CoD wasn't so popular, publishers might have given developers free reign over their games instead of saying "hey, call of duty is pretty popular and sells well, make sure you include something in your game that makes it similar to CoD".
Almost every shooter these days has to have some cod feature, and it ends up ruining a lot of games, or at the very least making them lesser games.
If they make more games like COD thats called DEMOCRACY, you see the few n4g elitist which make up waaaay less than 1% of gamers dont get to dictate where the market goes. Devs make more shooters because ALOT OF PEOPLE BUY THEM, and although I'd like more variety I certainly understand how business works if, Im a big publisher like EA or Activision sure I may take a few risks with niche games like Heavy Rain for example or less popular new IP's like Prototype for example, but you can bet your azz you're going to get a ton of shooters, WHY? because it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that I have a high probability of making more profit= thats what the public wants. hmmmm, so should devs cater to a few fanboys who wish I made more Catherine type games just to make them feel better or should I run a profitable business so my shareholders dont turn on me.
Whats funny is the notion that COD's success will ruin gaming is the most absurd elitist BS fear tactic I' ve heard all this gen, heard the same thing about Halo years ago, yet gaming still thrives and theres not thousands of COD and Halo clones on store shelves, just look at all the multiplats this year, great variety and quality stuff like Dragon Age II, NBA 2k12, Dark Souls, Skyrim, Batman AC, Assasins Creed, Saints Row, Spiderman, etc none of which are even shooters and thats not even counting any exclusive, so any way you look at it, theres plenty out there to play other than MW3/Shooters.= Now just stop lying, some of you sound like politicians with your BS excuses to hate COD, you just hate it because its popular, you fanboys think it makes you "cooler" than normal gamers who just buy games for fun and you haters are just jealous cause its not your favorite...heres an idea how about you haters go play those games you care so much about, maybe just maybe you might learn to enjoy games again.
"you just hate it because its popular, you fanboys think it makes you "cooler" than normal gamers who just buy games for fun and you haters are just jealous cause its not your favorite"
You're seriously delusional if you believe that, and are obviously pretty good at manipulating the site, as you've gone from your well deserved one bubble status to somehow getting to six bubbles.
"because it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that I have a high probability of making more profit= thats what the public wants"
It sounds to me like you care more about publishers making money than you do about the quality of video games, as I don't see how anyone would defend such actions. We know WHY they're doing it, yet you seem to believe we are all confused about it and don't know why, and you rush in and think you're enlightening us or something. Gee, they do it to make money? I had absolutely no idea! Thanks for sharing your incredible wisdom with us! God, I'm glad we've got that cleared up.
"heres an idea how about you haters go play those games you care so much about"
I'd LOVE to, but more and more games seem to be constantly infected by the CoD virus, the Resistance franchise to be more specific. Your sh*tty beloved franchise influences other franchises too much because of how much money it makes, and it's ruining some of the games I play.
"You're seriously delusional if you believe that, and are obviously pretty good at manipulating the site, as you've gone from your well deserved one bubble status to somehow getting to six bubbles."
-lmfao, again another bubble whore, like I give a crap about bubbles as if they mean anything on this site, alot people have multi accounts and some just bubble each other up depending on which "side" the support. I could have 1 bubble tommorrow and I wouldn't give a damm, 1 is all I need....lol, what are you jealous now because I have more bubbles than you? Bro, you got to get out more.
"It sounds to me like you care more about publishers making money than you do about the quality of video games, as I don't see how anyone would defend such actions."
-No, do you also suffer from reading comprehension, never did I say I care more about publishers making money thany I do about quality of video games, what I said was:
"although I'd like more variety I certainly understand how business works if"= which I explained means ultimately devs MUST make money to stay in business and I don't mean break even or make small change, if they wanted to do that they'd likely just be a small indie dev, but the bottom line is they work for large companies who are in the business of making as much profit as possible, THEREFORE instead of making 10-15 games a year that n4g, vickers500 or I want they make games that the PUBLIC WANTS. So until the mass public decides to start buying what YOU believe are better games then YOU or I DO NOT GET TO DICTATE WHATS BEST FOR EVERYBODY. Fortunately theres plenty of variety even with the dominance of the shooting and sports genre, like I listed above and UNLIKE you I find the fun in what there is available and I buy what I like and I have fun with my hobby while YOU whine and complain WISHING there were more of these SO CALLED quality games, which I have a suspicision many folks like you who cry for more Heavy Rains, Crackdowns, LBP's, Alan Wakes, Dark Souls, etc don't actually go buy them 'cause you spend more of your time crying about "teh COD fanboys".
"I'd LOVE to, but more and more games seem to be constantly infected by the CoD virus, the Resistance franchise to be more specific."
-Again thats not my fault or the millions of COD fans fault for playing what we like, should I tell you don't play anymore of those god awful jrpg's that haven't change 1 bit in 25yrs, because I wish dev's would just stop making them altogether and make more games I only care about? NO, because gaming is about choice and again its you who's delusional, still talking as if there isn't plenty of games doing great things while following their own path, for every COD copy cat there's games like Deus Ex HR, did you go buy it? It wasn't the greatest ever but it was pretty good, did you support it? How about Dead Island?, How about Operation Flashpoint: Red River, Warhammer Space Marine, Red Faction Arm., huh, well all these games have a very different style though Dead Island is more about melee combat and no these are not the greatest games ever but they are all different style shooters from COD that released this year, which if you really love shooters like I do but want something different they are worth checking out and theres plenty more AND lets not even forget that theres tons of other genre's if you're so fed up with COD/shooters. So YES YOUR COMPLAINTS ARE UNFOUNDED, and if anybody's delusional its you, once again instead of enjoying the plethora of great games out there YOU would rather complain about COD which just exposes your jealousy.
"'heres an idea how about you haters go play those games you care so much about'
I'd LOVE to, but more and more games seem to be constantly infected by the CoD virus, the Resistance franchise to be more specific. Your sh*tty beloved franchise influences other franchises too much because of how much money it makes, and it's ruining some of the games I play."
"NO, because gaming is about choice and again its you who's delusional, still talking as if there isn't plenty of games doing great things while following their own path, for every COD copy cat there's games like Deus Ex HR, did you go buy it?"
True, there's plenty to play so why complain just because COD exists and we get a few copy cats based off its success, still if you only played all the unique shooters, racers, sports, platformers, action, niche & indie games, etc you still couldn't afford or have time to play them all. Stupid complaints, sounds like jealousy to me.
How old are you, 12? What exactly am I jealous of, hmm? Tell me please, I'd like to hear more of your insane rants.
And you keep making excuses for these companies. Just stop, please, it's pathetic watching you try to justify their bullsh*t actions. I bet you argue with people who hate justin beiber or miley cyrus or any of that tween crap. You probably defend them saying "oh it's what the public wants, what the 12 year old little girls want, you don't dictate what music gets released".
"theres plenty more AND lets not even forget that theres tons of other genre's if you're so fed up with COD/shooters. So YES YOUR COMPLAINTS ARE UNFOUNDED"
I'm not talking about OTHER GAMES. I'm talking about the already established franchises I LOVE like Resistance being ruined. I could give a f*** about the CoD clones that were created to be CoD clones, I'm fine with those. What I'm NOT fine with are the cod elements that are tainting my already existing franchises. So no, my complaints are not unfounded, as Resistance is proof of my complaints being true.
lol, So now you've resorted to ranting about me being a Beiber fan, Miley fan, talk of liitle girls, throwing a bunch of profanity around, lol and its me who's 12? I guess you just cant handle the fact that your claims are baseless...but yeah continue ranting about Bieber, again that makes you so "cool", which personally I dont like but I have nothing against him either, lol if anything that just another example of my point, dont like Bieber theres so many other great muscians, and dont get me started with the tons of quality underground music for you to enjoy no matter your taste, yet I dont complain about the 12 yr old girls enjoying Beiber. Why should I? I never have to listen to him ' cause I dont hang out with 12yr old girls....do you?
Why ask the obvious you and I both know what you're jealous of, you hate the fact that COD is waaay more popular than your precious Resistance, and your logic is flawed to blame COD and not the devs who according to you chose to emulate COD instead catering more to its original vision. That means you either adjust to what Resistance is now or move on to other games either way to suggest COD should change or not exist for the FANS they do love it, is every bit as idiotic statement as I have ever heard on n4g, and that says alot about YOU because n4g is home of some the most ridiculous fanboy talk that can be found on any gaming site available on the internet. CONGRATULATIONS!
COD haters using this old lame argument are simply stupid fk because they just can't think of a new one. And like this capcock, rename your tag to dumbcock.
People hate it because they actually want to play the game, but feel it's a complete rip off! Same engine since CoD 2 for $50+ plus the maps to get the whole experience to not feel left out.
The truth is that you get more for your money with BF3 than you get with COD.
If CoD sucks so much, why is it always #1? oh, that's because it has what people want and like about the game.
Changing a popular game can be a huge risk of ruining the franchise. Look at it this way... A lot of people are currently hating on Uncharted 3 multiplayer because UC2 was perfect the way it was and since they changed it, it's getting a lot of uplash.
Imagine the huge uplash if they changed the base formula of CoD? As long as people keep buying it, then why would they risk changing it?
CoD doesn't want to be Battlefield or Uncharted... It's good at being one thing and one thing only... Call of FREAKING Duty.
I hate mainstream music with all of it's auto-tuning suckiness, but it's very popular and I'm not going to tell those people to not listen to it if they like it. I'm not even trying to get them to listen to what I like because just because I like something doesn't mean it's good for everyone. Call if Duty is pop music... It's sort of a guilty pleasure for millions of people.
My brother plays COD and that's the only game he owns... That's it. He's not interested in anything else. I don't count him as a true gamer, but it's what he likes so I can't complain... He's having fun and he's not even sick of it yet (he's on his third year of playing COD titles exclusively.
1. It is not a PS3 exclusive 2. It will sell more on X360 3. It will be the best selling game ever for the PS3 4. It will overshadow Uncharted 3 5. Because it is from Activision and Bobby K
I will not be buying it until it is $30 or less. My fall lineup is already set:
-GeOW3 -Forza 4 -Uncharted 3 -Batman -Elder Scroll V -Zelda
don't hate on cod to make myself look good or go with the flow of things i don't hate cod but i don't like how the game stays about the same.
some people could say that bf3 is like bfbc2 but at least bf3 changed things actually a lot of things,less health,jets,vehicles looks better and play better,prone,knife animations,suppression,drone,t he way they changed up support class and assault. those are good changes
ill be honest i don't know too much of mw3 changes but one thing i noticed in a trailer they have a kill streak point system like medal of honor and that is pretty cool. even though the game shouldn't have kill streaks at all
what i don't get is the comparison between battlefield 3 and bad company 2 when in reality it should be compared to battlefield 2 modern combat which i think 3 is a giant leap forward from 2 in terms of quality and looks. as for modern 3, i don't get all the hate for it as it too looks waay better than 2. if the story holds (i don't care about multiplayer) and they give me enough variety with the gameplay then i can't really complain about it outside of the playtime length. (i finished the 2nd one in about 6 hrs.)
The reason is very simple. The user base of COD has reached a saturation point that the few 'haters' is now a big number in relation to the total mass that made these haters visible while the majority COD followers is not really saying anything much because they are satisfied with the game. As compared to other games, say BF3 that fewer people really care in caring and hating the game.
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If you want to hate on something, blame the vocal majority who vote with their dollars saying that they don't want change.
The only thing Activision is doing is giving the majority what they want. They won't take a risk for the overly judgmental silent minority on the Internet.
everyone hates him because he sucks yet he sells shit cause kids\ little girls like him
COD is hated by all players because it sucks yet it sells alot because alot of kids love it
it seems the people just want it to fail just because its very successful
BF3 = 60$ = pre-order bonus dlc of BF2 maps + best looking graphics+64 players+free online community system+there is nothing negative to tell about it.
But once Killzone 4 or some other sony exclusive shooter like Starhawk is set to release, people will go back to hating on COD and saying things like "cant wait to preorder ____ , better then cod". Once people stop playing those exclusives, Only to have the whole process rinse and repeat.
"...can you really blame devs for not wanting to deviate too much from the formula?"
formula is 1 thing but to keep the franchise looking almost the same for 5 years running is something else!
Rehashed or keeping to the obviously winning formula, IMO if they didnt change from the first modern warfare ide be happier than ever i dont like the changes all i want are new maps a new story and some new guns all the other crap they keep adding isnt needed.
Mw3 is 60 dollars and if you want elite it comes with all the extra features and all dlc for the game. Yea thats 120 dollars but its for people who mainly/only play cod. $120 isnt bad for a year of gaming. I wont need elite as just the game has more content than almost every other fps but its a good deal if you play alot. Looks really fun to me.
It'll probably surge back as MW3 gets closer to release.
I find there is nothing wrong with providing something that gazillion people enjoy regardless if it is re-hashed.
None the less, you might want to ask if it is re-hashed, why isn't there someone else "innovating" and doing it better?
To the people saying is the same thing ur just contradicting ur self. Y change a gameplay fans love and r used to? Or what do u want a RPG FPS where u have to find ur guns,make ur guns when u find them and make golden bullets that splits into 5 when u fire them???...Gears of war,Uncharted,Halo,God of war..e.t.c some of the biggest games kept the same gamplay the fans are used to. Look at killzone3 the gameplay changed from killzone2 and some fans of killzone2 was not happy. Cod fans love the fast paced arcade gameplay so y change what the fans love?
And as for using the same engine y do u care so much. Cod fans r not complaing so whats ur beef??? All they care about is having fun they dont care about if the texture on the 360 version is the same as the Ps3 version or if the gun on consoles look the same on PC or if the PC version looks better than crysis. In a way those are real gamers,they dont bitch about graphics like 70% on people on this site, thhey just play the game because it brings fun to them online when they r bored and that is what gaming is all about fun.
Y u mad????
It's like it pains cod haters for people to like it, like effects them. They just want their game to be top of sales.
$60 worth of DLC for a game? Really? Full price for a new copy of it a year later? Charging for an online service very similar to what other games will be implementing for free? Running on the same engine for the fifth straight game?
Keyshawn Johnson would say, "C'MON, MAN!"
There's no excuse. Really, there isn't. I enjoy the game when I play it at friends' places, but I cannot rationalize that being stagnant is okay simply because people keep buying.
Let me repeat that, a little more clearly:
THERE IS NO REASON FOR NOT IMPROVING.
Be all the fan you want. Enjoy all the games you want. But when you're getting the same game three years from now, it'll be too late to complain, because your money fueled the stagnation. They kept seeing record sales, and kept raking in the cash, content that they could continue to do with ass little change as possible.
It will be YOUR fault when gaming fails.
I played COD MW2 LOADS! I loved the game but it had glaring issues. The developers absolutely lazy mentality was exposed with that game. How long did it take for them to bother listening to the community about hacks and glitches, imbalances like the model shotguns, ignore the community about downright moronic addotions like painkiller etc? Once they safely got their money they abandoned the game and proof is in how long it took for them to bother a small glitch where you shoot from inside the rocks in the Fuel map iirc.
I know cod, I knew the spawn points, got over 140 nukes and my mates and I would LOVE a great call of duty game. But I'm not paying £40-£50 for the same bloody game with the same over powered shotguns and hardly any changes at all!! It actually looks like an expansion pack. It really does!
I hope the game is good but I highly doubt the developers are deserving of any praise because I don't see any real effort whatsoever on their part to move the series along. This is exactly what happened to Tony Hawk and Guitar hero. Do you think it was harmless then by running the franchise into the ground by giving us annual versions of the same game?
MW3 is $60
COD Elite is FREE
COD Elite Premium is $50 ($40 if you got hardened edition) and it includes all the DLC before everyone else along with first try of anything new that comes to Elite down the road. Many other perks and upgrades for premium membership as well, if you are an avid COD player or someone who gets all the DLC its more then worth it not to mention it can all be run and done on your console with the game and no need to go to a website on your PC for anything.
I suggest all you tools go to the Elite site to see what its really all about because its obvious many are clueless about what its all about. http://www.callofduty.com/e...
And also everyone bashing the gameplay and such, I too was highly pissed with MW2 and swore the series off but they are changing so much that I have way way less concerns going into MW3 then I did going into MW2, I could tell MW2 was going to end up a crap shoot in many aspects and it did but MW3 seems to be doing everything right for the most part, IMO this will be by far the BEST COD experiance to date. Look up the articles and read all the GOOD interviews and then tell me you don't have high hopes for this game.
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But I wouldn't say thats a reason to have "hatred" for a game.
Instead, wouldn't the natural human response to the game be to simply ignore it? No one, to my knowledge, is being forced against their will to buy MW3..so theres no reason to have THAT strong of a negative reaction towards it.
MW3 won't affect you if you don't want it to.
1. Some people ARE that passionate about their politics. We call them extremists on the world I'm from.
2. If more people were THAT passionate about their politics, some of us would be waiting in line for a cyanide shower.
On topic: @Logicwins:
I do ignore CoD. I don't care if it's the greatest game ever, or the biggest pile of crap to ever stink up a Best Buy shelf. I'm just not a fan of first person shooters (don't like the perspective). I have friends who are borderline CoD addicts, so I do read about it occasionally. I just don't buy the games.
The hatred/dislike stems from the fact that Activision milks the franchise, releases yearly bug-ridden games without improvement between sequels and in recent cases, the decline in quality.
Furthermore, people don't like the fact the people can continue supporting these developments, like those casual sheep of the mainstream who would rather have mindless fun than think about the consequences this kind of support will have in this industry. Most don't even realise that the devs who made MW2 are not making this game.
Activision charges a higher RRP than most publishers and gamers let them get away with it. Their DLC cycle also rips off gamers, but they let them get away with it. Gamers also will unjustifiably pay for their Elite service which other games offer for free.
Battlefield and similar FPS franchises push forward, whilst Call of Duty (a fun game for many) stagnates on the familiar.
"How can you be jealous of a game?"
-lol, the same way you can "hate" a game. Simple really since they are both just emotional responses/feelings, towards a entertainment product.
-I think Les-Grossman hit the nail on the head, "Jealousy" is exactly why you haters follow COD.
-Here I'll fix your first paragraph: The *jealousy/envy stems from the fact that Activision has a very popular franchise,with 2 fully dedicated but seperate dev studios which allows them to meet the massive demand for COD by releasing a yearly game that actually has 2yrs dev time...consequently COD continues to grow while its detractors whine and cry wishing their less popular favorite game was in COD's position.
-Its funny 'cause most of the haters, cant resist, they'll be right there playing it in Nov....just like last year, thats when you know you have a great game when your haters root against right up until release day then go out and pay their hard earned money for the game they hate. lol
Well it's a good thing I am a man of my word then. ;) I might play it occasionally - living in a student house with friends and Xboxs leads to that sort of thing, but I'm certainly not handing over any amount to play it and I think a lot of people will do the same. Not significant a percentage enough to count for anything though (goes without saying).
I "hate" on it because I'm bored of what is to me: a franchise of stagnation and complacency. My opinion. And because Activision are close to being the worst offender of milking overpriced content in some of the least consumer-friendly ways possible, in this industry. Fact.
Because during this year there are 5 or more maps pack to buy to have the complete experience of the new COD episode.
Because the mechanics of the multiplayer hasn't change for years.
Because people get bored with it.
I don't know there are many reasons. There lot of people that are enjoying it, i'm actually gonna buy the new episode beacuse i'm gonna play with some friends that will never play an other game (kind of sad by the way), but i find totally normal that people are bored or upset with this licence.
If those people and i'm one of them were not saying that this licence was going repetitive as hell, Activision would continue just to sell us the same game wich they already do.
I think we need more people trashing COD, not to kill the licenec just to force Activision to reconsider their politics. They earned Billions i think they can put money on the table to pay the licence a new engine.
It baffles me that these series keep selling 12+ million with each iteration.
But yeah, time for a new engine for COD!
And they at least DO update their graphics , unlike cod
The game is complete out of the box. DLC is completely optional.
We don't want them to change the mechanics there's nothing wrong with them. If it aint broke, don't fix it.
Then buy a different game.
You want a new engine? Why? I'm fine with the graphics in current COD games. Besides IW and 3arc want that smooth 60FPS experience. Great physics and amazing graphics just aren't possible at 60FPS in current consoles. But if you're really that bored of its graphics then wait till next gen. I bet Activision is working on a new engine just for next-gen COD.(Yes I know PCs are far more capable than consoles but COD games are developed on consoles as lead)
"Yes I know PCs are far more capable than consoles but COD games are developed on consoles as lead"
Never used to be that way, COD started out on PC, then we (pc gamers) got screwed again.
Go look at all the past CODs and you will see its IW that innovates and actually adds stuff
plus EVERY SINGLE COMPETITIVE SHOOTER copies it nowadays so im gonna stick with the original
While i personally enjoy the single player of MW and COD, i think its time for activision to purchase the Tech5 engine, and build their games in that.
Otherwise they will be run over by EA and their decision to use frothbite on all their games.
so in consoles, you're argument is as plain as dumb and you a moron.
BF3 has been riding the hype-train because it is ps3 centric.
Plain and simple.
Amen.
Would you rather
Support a game which has been giving us the same crap year after year
or
Support a game where the developers have actually been hard at work trying to make sure that their game will be the best possible game this year. Uncharted 3 and NaugtyDog, Batman AC and Rocksteady, Skyrim and Bethesda or even Battlefield 3 and DICE.
It's horriable to see a game get so many sales where it seems the developer dosen't even give a sh*t when other games that get released around the same time should be given more attention.
Let's not forget as well most of the COD crowd aren't even gamers but act like they are and think COD is the best game in the world because of it's sales when in reality all people buy it for is because it's a social gimmick which lets people blend into higher social groups without the whole "Your less popular" thing coming into question. As long as you share a common interest for a while "fitting in" has never been so easy.
Yes, because you are the ultimate decider of who is or isn't a gamer lol. Whats with your elitist comment?
Did it ever occur to you that not everyone likes the same things? Whats "crap" to you may be a fun game to someone else. Open your mind.
That's what I was thinking when I typed it, we all have friends who do that....it's annoying
What!?! CoD players aren't gamers? Wow, that is the most absurd thing i have ever read. Maybe, just maybe it has high sales because millions of players find the game fun, that might be a reason.
"... in reality all people buy it for is because it's a social gimmick which lets people blend into higher social groups..."
Social gimmick? When did CoD become Facebook? That comment goes beyond absurdity into the realm of complete nonsense. CoD isn't for you obviously but please don't start making these elitists/snob comments as if you're better because you don't play what the mainstream does.
I find it funny too, everyone is yelling for CoD to change its formula. But when other games do they get sh*tt*ed on by its fans for change (DA,ME,KZ3,R3,FABLE3,etc.etc.)
And before people label me as a cod fan, i'm not. I'm a BF:BC2 guy, I hated Black Ops but i will never hate on the series just for the sake of hating.
Anyway to adress a few things you've completly taken the wrong way
"What!?! CoD players aren't gamers? Wow, that is the most absurd thing i have ever read."
Look what I wrote...."MOST of the COD players"....meaning "most" of the audience who plays COD.
"Social Gimmick"
Wow you really are clueless about the term of the word. Guess you didn't do Psychology as one of your courses in school/college.
Everything someone does to fit into a social event is a social gimmick. Take this for a differen't example...let's say you know someone who people don't give a crap about, one night they go out to town get drunk and come back to school/college a "legend" they then milk that and keep going out since they know people like that when he does it. After a while it gets stale so he goes out get's really drunk and also makes an arse of himself because he's done something differen't people take interest again........to him getting drunk for the attention is HIS social gimmick. If someone who wasn't a gamer knew a group of people were hyped about COD they would go out (being a gamer or not), buy it, play it and then talk about it to that group of friends like it's the best thing in the world despite not liking it....again that's his social gimmick................you see what I'm getting at. Social Gimmicks can be in differen't forms.
"But when other games do they get sh*tt*ed on by its fans for changs(DA,ME,KZ3,R3,FABLE3,etc .etc.)"
The difference with those games is that the developer takes time when developing the game and tries to make it as good as they can. IW or w.e developer is working on COD...don't because they don't give a crap. Again ignoring what I said.
"but i will never hate on the series just for the sake of hating"
LOL....erm, I gave my reasons so I'm not hating on it for the sake of it.
Wow, just wow..that example of social gimmick has... wow. It's obvious you didn't go to college for psychology either. I won't comment on that any further.
"If someone who wasn't a gamer knew a group of people were hyped about COD they would go out (being a gamer or not), buy it, play it and then talk about it to that group of friends like it's the best thing in the world despite not liking it"
I thought that was called word of mouth, I never knew it was called, officialy called a social gimmick. How do you know that person didn't like it. Just where do you get that theory from? Sounds more of that said person being a sad sack more than a "social gimmick". Again that example makes no sense and doesn't apply to the MILLIONS of fans who buy CoD.
So just because friends recommend a game to another person and that person gets the game its a "social gimmick"?
"The difference with those games is that the developer takes time when developing the game and tries to make it as good as they can. IW or w.e developer is working on COD...don't because they don't give a crap. Again ignoring what I said."
Wow, more elitist commentry. I never knew you were on the developing team of CoD. Here I just thought you were just some guy on the net posting opinions on N4G. But here you are, with actual inside and indepth knowledge of the development cycle of CoD. You even know they don't give a crap. My bad.
Again i'm going to say this:
Do not hate on CoD just because YOUR favorite game is getting overshadowed. CoD has gained millions of fans from its fun multiplayer and anything else a CoD fan might say about the game.
not everyone is asking to change the formula. we are asking for the content to justify the price. each iteration since Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (CoD4) has been not much more than a reskinned/modified game. ALl the Modern warfare Assault guns sound the same, and pretty cheesy. It takes away from the immersion. I used to be a hard core CoD player. I had Medal of honor: Allied Assault, Call of Duty 1, 2, 4, and Modern Warfare 2 and Black Ops. I have been around long enough, and spent enough cash to learn that its pretty much a 4 year old game with a 20 dollar "DLC" I mean mod. I
would pay 20 dollars new for it, because that's all it is really worth. And I would like to think my opinion has some merit considering the time and money spent on these titles. Oh well. Have fun playing it, but you may need to use your imagination, because there isn't anything new about it, except maybe the space in your wallet.
@DA_SHREDDER- How are people getting ripped off when they are happy to spend the money to get the game Day 1? If you AGREE with a smile on your face to pay a certain price for a game...how are you getting ripped off?
COD fanboys must band together quickly get into defense mode as soon as a COD article comes up.
COD is the reason why sales have become so important this gen and it's the reason why other developers start to get greedy.
& if u go thru this there are just as many ppl who disagree wit the ppl who defend it.
& i hardly think sales are important just due 2 this one game who doesnt want a game or a product that sells
really its kinda lik a movie u go 2 watch then when its over at the time u wouldnt mind a lil more of the same...
while most ppl complain about how the devs who make COD dont do nething its alot more than most ppl on this site do for making a game if it was such an old useless engine why doesnt ne1 who complains make a game using it & see how easy it is 2 just copy & paste over a new game make millions then show how ne1 can do it?
The main argument is people are buying the same game over and over again.
Well why are you concerned with how people spend their money?
I'm not concerned if people blindly hate a game because personally I enjoy CoD but that's me, just find it slightly moronic to complain about a game that you claim your not buying.
Bubbles
@Corax- Thank you for giving us your OPINION :)
It's hard not to worry about what other people are buying, because what other people are buying ends up shaping the gaming industry into something a lot of us don't want. Instead of trying something different, devs will be influenced by the likes of CoD and will end u p preventing something of possible greatness being made, simply to cater to the masses.
He is worrying about him, because what other people buy will end up influencing what he likes to buy.
so u say had COD not been as popular some devs would be out making completely different games...lik when mario was around there were a ton of platform games that every single one sucked cuz we were unable 2 get a good one(sarcasm we got a few)...basically all im sayin is cuz 1 game sells alot doesnt destory the whole industry yea theres gonna be clones but u cant blame the model for everything bad after.
after a certain point devs hav 2 go beyond what others are doin & they already are lik everyone points out there are a ton of other games worthy of attention that are made now if ppl who complained about COD went 2 post about those games & posted as much in favor of those games instead of comin 2 COD what do u think would happen?
cuz bottom line lik dey say any publicity even negative is good so they're only helpin in the end.
I'm not talking about straight up clones, I'm talking about established franchises that are being pressured into adding CoD elements into their games. Just look at games like Resistance 2 and 3, Uncharted 2 multiplayer and the tons of games these days that have incorporated perks and killstreaks and other cod crap into their games.
If CoD wasn't so popular, publishers might have given developers free reign over their games instead of saying "hey, call of duty is pretty popular and sells well, make sure you include something in your game that makes it similar to CoD".
Almost every shooter these days has to have some cod feature, and it ends up ruining a lot of games, or at the very least making them lesser games.
Whats funny is the notion that COD's success will ruin gaming is the most absurd elitist BS fear tactic I' ve heard all this gen, heard the same thing about Halo years ago, yet gaming still thrives and theres not thousands of COD and Halo clones on store shelves, just look at all the multiplats this year, great variety and quality stuff like Dragon Age II, NBA 2k12, Dark Souls, Skyrim, Batman AC, Assasins Creed, Saints Row, Spiderman, etc none of which are even shooters and thats not even counting any exclusive, so any way you look at it, theres plenty out there to play other than MW3/Shooters.= Now just stop lying, some of you sound like politicians with your BS excuses to hate COD, you just hate it because its popular, you fanboys think it makes you "cooler" than normal gamers who just buy games for fun and you haters are just jealous cause its not your favorite...heres an idea how about you haters go play those games you care so much about, maybe just maybe you might learn to enjoy games again.
You're seriously delusional if you believe that, and are obviously pretty good at manipulating the site, as you've gone from your well deserved one bubble status to somehow getting to six bubbles.
"because it doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that I have a high probability of making more profit= thats what the public wants"
It sounds to me like you care more about publishers making money than you do about the quality of video games, as I don't see how anyone would defend such actions. We know WHY they're doing it, yet you seem to believe we are all confused about it and don't know why, and you rush in and think you're enlightening us or something. Gee, they do it to make money? I had absolutely no idea! Thanks for sharing your incredible wisdom with us! God, I'm glad we've got that cleared up.
"heres an idea how about you haters go play those games you care so much about"
I'd LOVE to, but more and more games seem to be constantly infected by the CoD virus, the Resistance franchise to be more specific. Your sh*tty beloved franchise influences other franchises too much because of how much money it makes, and it's ruining some of the games I play.
-lmfao, again another bubble whore, like I give a crap about bubbles as if they mean anything on this site, alot people have multi accounts and some just bubble each other up depending on which "side" the support. I could have 1 bubble tommorrow and I wouldn't give a damm, 1 is all I need....lol, what are you jealous now because I have more bubbles than you? Bro, you got to get out more.
"It sounds to me like you care more about publishers making money than you do about the quality of video games, as I don't see how anyone would defend such actions."
-No, do you also suffer from reading comprehension, never did I say I care more about publishers making money thany I do about quality of video games, what I said was:
"although I'd like more variety I certainly understand how business works if"= which I explained means ultimately devs MUST make money to stay in business and I don't mean break even or make small change, if they wanted to do that they'd likely just be a small indie dev, but the bottom line is they work for large companies who are in the business of making as much profit as possible, THEREFORE instead of making 10-15 games a year that n4g, vickers500 or I want they make games that the PUBLIC WANTS. So until the mass public decides to start buying what YOU believe are better games then YOU or I DO NOT GET TO DICTATE WHATS BEST FOR EVERYBODY. Fortunately theres plenty of variety even with the dominance of the shooting and sports genre, like I listed above and UNLIKE you I find the fun in what there is available and I buy what I like and I have fun with my hobby while YOU whine and complain WISHING there were more of these SO CALLED quality games, which I have a suspicision many folks like you who cry for more Heavy Rains, Crackdowns, LBP's, Alan Wakes, Dark Souls, etc don't actually go buy them 'cause you spend more of your time crying about "teh COD fanboys".
"I'd LOVE to, but more and more games seem to be constantly infected by the CoD virus, the Resistance franchise to be more specific."
-Again thats not my fault or the millions of COD fans fault for playing what we like, should I tell you don't play anymore of those god awful jrpg's that haven't change 1 bit in 25yrs, because I wish dev's would just stop making them altogether and make more games I only care about? NO, because gaming is about choice and again its you who's delusional, still talking as if there isn't plenty of games doing great things while following their own path, for every COD copy cat there's games like Deus Ex HR, did you go buy it? It wasn't the greatest ever but it was pretty good, did you support it? How about Dead Island?, How about Operation Flashpoint: Red River, Warhammer Space Marine, Red Faction Arm., huh, well all these games have a very different style though Dead Island is more about melee combat and no these are not the greatest games ever but they are all different style shooters from COD that released this year, which if you really love shooters like I do but want something different they are worth checking out and theres plenty more AND lets not even forget that theres tons of other genre's if you're so fed up with COD/shooters. So YES YOUR COMPLAINTS ARE UNFOUNDED, and if anybody's delusional its you, once again instead of enjoying the plethora of great games out there YOU would rather complain about COD which just exposes your jealousy.
"'heres an idea how about you haters go play those games you care so much about'
I'd LOVE to, but more and more games seem to be constantly infected by the CoD virus, the Resistance franchise to be more specific. Your sh*tty beloved franchise influences other franchises too much because of how much money it makes, and it's ruining some of the games I play."
"NO, because gaming is about choice and again its you who's delusional, still talking as if there isn't plenty of games doing great things while following their own path, for every COD copy cat there's games like Deus Ex HR, did you go buy it?"
True, there's plenty to play so why complain just because COD exists and we get a few copy cats based off its success, still if you only played all the unique shooters, racers, sports, platformers, action, niche & indie games, etc you still couldn't afford or have time to play them all. Stupid complaints, sounds like jealousy to me.
How old are you, 12? What exactly am I jealous of, hmm? Tell me please, I'd like to hear more of your insane rants.
And you keep making excuses for these companies. Just stop, please, it's pathetic watching you try to justify their bullsh*t actions. I bet you argue with people who hate justin beiber or miley cyrus or any of that tween crap. You probably defend them saying "oh it's what the public wants, what the 12 year old little girls want, you don't dictate what music gets released".
"theres plenty more AND lets not even forget that theres tons of other genre's if you're so fed up with COD/shooters. So YES YOUR COMPLAINTS ARE UNFOUNDED"
I'm not talking about OTHER GAMES. I'm talking about the already established franchises I LOVE like Resistance being ruined. I could give a f*** about the CoD clones that were created to be CoD clones, I'm fine with those. What I'm NOT fine with are the cod elements that are tainting my already existing franchises. So no, my complaints are not unfounded, as Resistance is proof of my complaints being true.
Why ask the obvious you and I both know what you're jealous of, you hate the fact that COD is waaay more popular than your precious Resistance, and your logic is flawed to blame COD and not the devs who according to you chose to emulate COD instead catering more to its original vision. That means you either adjust to what Resistance is now or move on to other games either way to suggest COD should change or not exist for the FANS they do love it, is every bit as idiotic statement as I have ever heard on n4g, and that says alot about YOU because n4g is home of some the most ridiculous fanboy talk that can be found on any gaming site available on the internet. CONGRATULATIONS!
It also turns little kids into idiots and gives games a bad name.
+ CoD Elite garbage!
The truth is that you get more for your money with BF3 than you get with COD.
Changing a popular game can be a huge risk of ruining the franchise. Look at it this way... A lot of people are currently hating on Uncharted 3 multiplayer because UC2 was perfect the way it was and since they changed it, it's getting a lot of uplash.
Imagine the huge uplash if they changed the base formula of CoD? As long as people keep buying it, then why would they risk changing it?
CoD doesn't want to be Battlefield or Uncharted... It's good at being one thing and one thing only... Call of FREAKING Duty.
I hate mainstream music with all of it's auto-tuning suckiness, but it's very popular and I'm not going to tell those people to not listen to it if they like it. I'm not even trying to get them to listen to what I like because just because I like something doesn't mean it's good for everyone. Call if Duty is pop music... It's sort of a guilty pleasure for millions of people.
My brother plays COD and that's the only game he owns... That's it. He's not interested in anything else. I don't count him as a true gamer, but it's what he likes so I can't complain... He's having fun and he's not even sick of it yet (he's on his third year of playing COD titles exclusively.
1. It is not a PS3 exclusive
2. It will sell more on X360
3. It will be the best selling game ever for the PS3
4. It will overshadow Uncharted 3
5. Because it is from Activision and Bobby K
I will not be buying it until it is $30 or less. My fall lineup is already set:
-GeOW3
-Forza 4
-Uncharted 3
-Batman
-Elder Scroll V
-Zelda
some people could say that bf3 is like bfbc2 but at least bf3 changed things actually a lot of things,less health,jets,vehicles looks better and play better,prone,knife animations,suppression,drone,t he way they changed up support class and assault. those are good changes
ill be honest i don't know too much of mw3 changes but one thing i noticed in a trailer they have a kill streak point system like medal of honor and that is pretty cool. even though the game shouldn't have kill streaks at all