BioWare has admitted that a mixed reaction to Dragon Age 2 from the series core fans caught the firm "off-guard" - despite being pleased with the size of new audience the game accrued.
Like they didn't knew they making generic shit with only few locations
They expected fans to be mindless sheep? and be happy with an unfinished game with recycled maps and restricted gameplay? If this was a game for the casual masses than they may get away with it, but RPG gamers tend to be picky. Let this be a lesson learned.
According to this article( http://n4g.com/news/860812/... ), the lesson has yet to be learned.
@Jacks: Thats not really fare. BioWare is trying to implement fast-paced combat into the RPG formula. They have made the mistake (in both ME2 and DA2) of thinking that people are going to be fine with watered down RPG elements and more engaging combat. I think they are still trying to find that formula that combines the RPG and action genres. DE2's biggest problem, from my perspective was that the game world was so small and, like many have said, the game felt unfinished. I think of it as being watered down, deluded, or whitewashed. Origins was not that great of a game, it was just bigger. If DE2 had a bigger scope I think it would have been seen in a better light. But the game ends when you think your half way through and that leaves a sower taste in your mouth.
The best thing about the game was going through the same underground dungeon throughout the whole game. Sometimes you'd start at one end and another the other end and other times half the map would be cut off. Obviously that is so revolutionary compared to having a new map for every dungeon area.
Well at least they recognize this. When it comes to RPGs, no other company refuses to listen like Square Enix. They on the other hand don't give a damn about the fanbase. We request something, they give us something else. It's like telling a person "Hand me my wallet over there" and they come back with a toilet seat.
They tried to make it more fast paced, but only succeeded in making the combat annoying. That's what you get for treating fans like they'll just accept any mainstream-ing that you do to your game.
I think the criticism is founded, but overblown. I'm quite a few hours into DA2 now, and I love it. Not as much as I love DAO - but this is still a solid, rpg experience. People just refuse to let the game stand on it's own merits. It's a good game. Not a great game, but still a good game - and pretty much every professional review out there backs me up on this. Dragon Age was in development for years and you just can't do that - you need to turn around games quicker than that in order for them to be viable - so from a business standpoint I understand why Bioware churned out DA2 so fast once they had the template established. As for watering down RPG elements in the game, get used to it. I sat down with a ex-Bioware manager who will go unnamed for a 2 hour chat off the record. He confirmed what we've already seen, and what has been rumored. Bioware has shifted their strategy away from traditional rpg's and rpg elements and instead wish to offer more cinematic, action centered titles. I don't know if this shift will pay off for them, but a company should evolve and change, not put out the same games over and over again. Personally, I like the old rpg elements and depth. Part of the reason I loved DAO was that it reminded me a bit of the old Baldur's Gate games. Something about the feeling of the game, the spirit that went into it. This is missing from DA2, but I still think DA2 is worth checking out for RPG fans looking for another dungeon crawl. Again, it's not a great game, it's simply good, and not what DAO was. I feel the hate directed towards DA2 is completely overblown. Play and decide for yourself. Don't take the word of a few malcontents.
Thank god I only paid $15 for this piece of sh!t game and not $60. It was like Bioware went all Call of Duty with DA 2.
WTF? Where the hell did you get it for $15? I've always loved the demo of it, but I wasn't willing to pay more then $40. Where did you buy it from?
@finger-eater probably bought it used
Bought it used at my local pawn shop. I get all my games for 15-25 dollars. I just bought Home Front, Vanquish, Bayonetta, Grand Tourismo 5, Fable 3, Dead Space 2 and Bullet Storm for like $150.
I think it was the other way around for some people. Give us DA:Origins, which was amazing. Then hit us with I don't know what(DA2). Sure DA2 wasn't all that bad but it wasn't all that good for some people.
Exactly. DA:O involved adventuring across the continent, lots of different locations, dungeons, towns and environmental variety (elvish forest, city, dwarven mines and city, mage tower, etc). DA2 just cut back the scale to a single, not-that-interesting city and yet still insisted upon recycling the same caves and interiors over and over. It's the reverse of what sequels should be - increasing scale and variety. Considering DA2 was released less than 2 years after DA:O (not to mention Awakening) whereas we were hearing about DA:O almost 4 years before its release, it is likely attributed to the tight development time. The question is: why? Did EA's purchase of Bioware restrict their dev time? Did Bioware themselves reduce their ambition and scope?
Anyone who was "caught off guard" needs to be fired and replaced with people who understand player expectations when going from a very successful new IP into a sequel of the IP.
If they were caught off guard that makes me worry about how Dragon Age 3 will turn out.
Yeah, and John Carmack's was surprised by the "ferocity" of the fans negative reception to Rage. It's like, people doesn't like flawed and shitty games? No way!! Market research said you'll buy anything with our name on it. What gives?
DA2 was the biggest disappointment of a game I have ever played. I barely even remember it because it sucked so much. Origins, I remember completely because it had a story worth paying attention to and it had more than a couple locations, lol.
Even though I enjoyed DA:2 it felt like a TV movie (Cheap sets that had to be re-used over and over again) compared to Origins which was the cinema epic. Also the spells were a lot less impressive.
yeah it did feel like the straight to video sequel. but i did like the hawk character, probably the best thing about it, oh and varric.
Dragon Age 2 > Final Fantasy XIII
I thought dragon age origins was too dumbed down, it was an ok rpg lite, kind of a "fisher-price my first rpg". DA2 is not even an rpg, it's an action game with a pause option. Biowares best game by FAR is Baldurs Gate 2 Shadow of Amn and the expansion, everything they have done since has been less and less and less and less!
So you make DA:O, everyone loves it, then you make some Dragon Effect game and think that NO ONE will notice and be pissed!? Especially the PC audience who praised and embraced Origins! Hell I even went and upgraded my rig to play Origins on the PC because it was just that much better for me. When they announced and showed Dragon Effect 2, the internet was in an UPROAR! We all talked shit, hated the game play videos and then they release a video saying "oh you can still play this game just like Origins! Here is how!" No Bioware, just no. Fuck you for ruining Dragon Age(and now they want to merge both game play styles into one game) and for watering down Mass Effect, and giving it a shitty, rushed ending. You have gone off the deep end and I am not cool with it. Until you return to Bioware form I will stick with studios that still make quality RPGs(CDPR is one btw, and they are great at servicing theirs fans)
What's with some developers lately? It's like they are oblivious to anything outside their studio. I don't think any other developers have ever tried to switch genres in the second game of a series.
Guys, I dunno about any of you, but I've not been amazed with an RPG in quite some time. Let's see....The Witcher and Oblivion. Why? Detailed story and lore. Made the fantasy seem like another world you were actually peeking in on from a different point of view. Dragon Age Origins I liked because of party interaction. I didn't really give a damn about anything else. Fallout....I liked it but I'm more of a swords/dragons kinda guy....or futuristic(not post-apocalyptic). Fallout was missing something to me, I can't really put my finger on it. Deus Ex you say? No, cause that is a shooter.
Reading your post just reminded me of how sad this generation has been with RPGs. I absolutely hated Oblivion and Fallout. Very boring combat with horrible animations and graphics. Not to mention horrible stories. Not sure I understand the critical success of those games. And I own them both. (not buying Skyrim) I didnt buy DA or ME this gen, but both seemed pretty good. Still, we need an amazing JRPG because this generation has severely lacked in the RPG department.
Like Fallout, you can beat the game without shooting anyone.
To be honest, I probably would have disliked Oblivion and Fallout if it wasn't for pc mods. I am a console gamer at heart, but those are two examples of games I will only play on pc(even though the PS3 can do mods...maybe devs will take a hint one day). Oblivion was greatly improved with mods, and I couldn't bear to play the game without them. I played that game for about a year. Fallout...even with mods wasn't really enjoyable to me. Deus Ex I haven't tried. I'll be honest on a preference I have, or rather...something I don't like. I do not like first person view. If Oblivion, Morrowind, and Fallout did not have the third person option, I probably wouldn't have bothered playing them at all. I LIKE seeing my characters, especially after going through the trouble of tweaking their faces, hair, etc. I like seeing the armor and clothing they wear. I do not like seeing a floating gun or sword, or a disembodied hand waving around. I'm weird like that. More complaints....games these days seem to make the story a non-priority. They just don't tell them like they used to. Now it's mostly flash. "Look at the 50 different ways you can kill someone!" "Great, but what about the story?" "Eh? Oh yeah, there's one but don't worry about that, look at all the different guns you can use!!" If that doesn't work, then they just show you a bit of naked ass or something to distract you for a minute. Sigh....
I never played DA:O but i did play part 2 and i loved the combat. But that was about it. The whole time i was waiting for the story to kick in and for the main antagonist to appear but it never happened until the very very end and when it did it caught me by surprise. Because i had no idea this was the last boss. Not to mention not being able to change the armor/costumes on your teammates was ridiculous. What (GOOD) rpg does that? And the notorious recycling of environments was cheap there's no excuse for that. again i'm going to have to thank Gamefly because if i would have bought that sh*t for $60 i would have been pissed!
I loved DA: Origins despite being an eyesore in some locations but DA2 was such a bad joke for being catered to the masses of idiots with fat-filled skulls rather than the founding fans of the original game, all for some extra cash. I'll give ME3 a try and if that turns into shit I will not buy another BioWare game again.
Why are we even talking about this garbage. They did mass effect 2 like they did dragon age 2. Dumbed it down for the tards. Wont be buying any of there games from now on. Ill give em a rent if im curious.
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