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CliffyB: Next Gen Consoles Will Have To Pass The "Mom Test"

GB : CliffyB shares his wisdom with the world. (Cliffy B, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

gamingdroid  +   1463d ago
The mom test is awesome!
ApplEaglElephant  +   1463d ago
They Mean that next Xbox will be even more focused on casual crap
Like Kinects and stuff.
Gamer3000  +   1463d ago
with almost no 1st party studios
it was clear that M$ don't care any more about the xbox fans

next gen is ps4 for me
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kaveti6616  +   1463d ago
"it was clear that M$ don't care any more about the xbox fans"

I just want you to know that Sony will only "care" about the "hardcore" PS3 fans if there's money in it for them.

And when some big audience comes along that doesn't care about hardcore games, Sony will drop you like it's hot, and won't look back.

Therefore, stop playing sides.
Gamer3000  +   1463d ago
no no no
i didn't say :
"sony never do wrong or they are not after money"
they are as evil as M$
but the thing is
sony please every one
the hardcore fans and the casual fans
you will always find on ps console
a game for every one and every age
sony's 1st party studios are doing an incredible job for the playstation fans
and that's my point
DragonKnight  +   1463d ago
@kaveti: You're obviously wrong, and this gen has already proven it. Obviously the casual market has made Nintendo incredibly wealthy, and knowing that has Sony abandoned the core like MS have? Nope, not at all. If anything, they've done everything they could to strengthen their core offerings. So yeah, stop spouting crap.
ApplEaglElephant  +   1463d ago
@Kaveti6616 stop being so fanboyish
Sony makes off money by pleasing us hardcore gamers. MS makes money off by abandoning hardcore gamers.

Yes, both companies make money, but Sony does it by sticking to their core customers not abandoning them.

EDIT @DRagonKnight exactly.
Sony decided to make money by serving their cores.
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kaveti6616  +   1463d ago
Why do you take the time to write MS as "M$" but don't take the time to write Sony as "$ony"?

Is it because you're under the delusion that Microsoft only cares about money while Sony cares about something else?

The fact of the matter is that no corporation does anything for any reason other than money.

Money is the only reason.

If Sony does something that doesn't immediately contribute to money, it is because Sony is doing that something to contribute to their public image, so that in the not-too-distant future, they will get money out of it.

Sony doesn't care about the hardcore audience.

If Sony releases a statement saying that they care about the hardcore audience, it is for two reasons.

1) Sony foresaw that they would be unable to successfully break into the "casual" market so they decided not to jump into that market.

2) Sony wants the people who consider themselves to be "hardcore" gamers to think that Sony cares about them. Thus, if they say they do, their public image among that group increases.

Once again, Sony never did anything for you out of love, respect, honor, gratitude, or any other virtuous reason.

Not only that, Sony never did anything for you for free.

If they gave you something for "free," they were actually purchasing your trust and loyalty.

My goal here is not to be fanboyish, but simply to pull you out of your irrationality.
ApplEaglElephant  +   1463d ago
@Kaveti6616 You are delusional
Sony is making money from SERVING HARDCORE GAMERS.
MS is making money from abandoning hardcore gamers.

There is no way around it. i LOLED at your delusional number 1 and 2.

Customer loyalty has been around for a long time.It has been popularized by tobacco companies. basically what this means is that company serves their customers extremely well in the past present and in the future. So that their customers will stick around and keep buying their stuff.

Yes, both company is out to make money, but Sony is doing it right by keep supporting their hardcore. While MS did this by screwing up current hardcore gamers who already bought Xbox 360.
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kaveti6616  +   1463d ago
Hey, man. I'm sorry I disturbed your bubble.
ApplEaglElephant  +   1463d ago
@Kaviet i understand that you are a huge fanboy from your posts
But are you seriously defending MS for abandoning hardcore gamers?

That is some dedication...

Well, no matter how you cry. its the same. MS abandoned their hardcores who have been following them for years.
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gamingdroid  +   1463d ago
How is MS abandoning hardcore gamers?

Last I checked, there are plenty of games for the Xbox 360. Not only that, but we are also about to get new game related features with the new dash as well.

Forza 4 is about to be released, Gears 3 is already out which is a stellar game with an awesome online community, and next month we are getting Halo: CE Anniversary. That is in addition to all the great multi-plats.

If anything, there are far too many quality games both released and about to be released.

... but hey, you fanboys can bicker about the PS3, because clearly this article is about the PS3!

Take those fanboy goggles off and let's get back on topic.
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_Aarix_  +   1462d ago

Theres this little thing called "not being a deuce" you should try it.
BattleAxe  +   1462d ago
Hey Cliffy!.......YOUR MOM!
da_2pacalypse  +   1462d ago
You all have forgotten and MLG was made for games like starcraft and halo. this is what being a hardcore gamer is about. I don't ever recall killzone being a big hit at mlg -_-
MysticStrummer  +   1462d ago
@kaveti & gamingdroid - I'm not sure how you guys can look at this generation and not see that MS has shifted focus significantly to the casuals while Sony continues to bring something for everyone to the table just like they've always done. From the looks of things next gen will continue this trend, judging from the way Sony has been acquiring devs. PS4 all the way for me.
Blogz4Fanboyz  +   1462d ago
you sony fanboys are just annoying and repeat the same stuff day in day out. stfu ey?

"m$ doesnt care"

"sony does"

"ms has ditched the hardcore"

"sony hasnt"

"m$ only want money"

"sony do it for there fans"

blah blah blah. ffs just shut, grow up and go and congregate on the "i love sony" forums.

next gen like this gen, i will be a multi console owner like i have been for years. we know that 90% of n4g are sony lovers, and possibly a few of you lot are paid trolls. well you must be for some of the vomit inducing crap you write.

surely no one is sad enough to actually want to defend some multi billion dollar corp that doesnt give two fucks about you no life fanboys who dwell on n4g.

rant over, disagree away
banner  +   1462d ago

You are so one sided...

While ms doesn't have as many "hardcore" exclusives, what they do bring to the table is quite frankly AAA gaming in my book.

If you don't know what games I'm talking about then shame on you.
Perjoss  +   1462d ago
@ Gamer3000

If there was no such thing as AAA multi platform titles, then exclusives would be important.
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humbleopinion  +   1462d ago
As a hardcore gamer myself I do feel that Microsoft abandoned me in 2011 unlike Sony. As a gamer I expect to see each year the best AAA games for my console - not some half attempted and only decent games. Otherwise I can just go for better multiplatform games instead.
So this year Microsoft didn't provide me any such exclusives with critical acclaim that scored 90+ or more. Let me verify that on metacritic...

Oh wait. There are games after all, but only two:
Gears of War 3
Forza 3

But 2 is still near to nothing! This is completely unlike Sony, who keeps on delivering the best games every time with no competition whatsoever. Check out the Tons of AAA 90+ games we got for our PS3 this year:
LittleBigPlanet 2
MLB 11
Mmmm. Strange. I can't seem to find anything else. I was pretty sure All Sony games are pure gold and recognized as such by the critics. Will you believe me if I make an argument that a baseball game and a platform game that was actually supposed to launch on 2010 and got delayed are the games every hardcore gamer is looking for and that third person shooters and racing games no real gamer cares about?

No? Mmmm. Too bad.
Well... how about if I try to artificially inflate that list with PS2 era games that Sony repackaged for us after taking out backwards compatibility on the PS3? Because hardcore gamers like ourselves are not expected to already own these games.
Yeah! Now we also have the Ico collection on the PS3 side with 90+ metacritic this year, thus proving superiority of the PS3 exclusives and serving as an ultimate proof the Microsoft doesn't care about hardcore gamers at all while Sony will always be there for us!

Actually, we don't even need the games to know that. We can tell for sure because they made that cool trailer.
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SilentNegotiator  +   1463d ago
Mommies thought junior could play some thing called 'Mario', and they could lose weight playing Zumba. It's called the Wii. Most successful console of this gen, one of the best selling systems of all time? Ring a bell?

The "Mom test" isn't exactly new. And I'm not talking about moms telling the difference between some graphics. Because they don't care about that.

I'm talking about Mommy seeing value like that in the fads.
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FredEffinChopin  +   1463d ago
Stick to making your game Cliff.
Spitfire_Riggz  +   1463d ago
Why cant he share his wisdom with all of us?
WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   1463d ago
Because that person probably went from the headline straight to the comment section, skipping the article in its entirety.
guitarded77  +   1463d ago
He does when he releases a game... when he opens him mouth however... em :/

Although I do agree with him.

“I always joke that it has to pass the “Mom Test” – When you can take your mom to Best Buy and show her a football game in low-def compared to high-def and she can actually tell the difference. That’s where you need to be at to make a new console.”

We have to be able to see a decent leap from gen to gen.
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FredEffinChopin  +   1463d ago

I read every word, I don't find it to be especially new, insightful, or wise. Like most times he opens his mouth. Hence the comment. Nice guess though.
WrAiTh Sp3cTr3  +   1463d ago
But only if your comments weren't such a far cry from his, I'd most certainly agree with you, but I'm sure you understand why I can't...
iamtehpwn  +   1463d ago
CliffyB is an interesting guy. As someone who works in the industry, he's quite informed. I at the very least, respect all of his opinions even if I disagree with them.

And I'll take the disagree hit to say we need more outgoing people like him in our industry.
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Spitfire_Riggz  +   1462d ago
@Guitarded77 FredEffinChopin

I just think someone that is actually in the industry has more right to share his opinions than anybody on N4G who obviously shares there opinions
FredEffinChopin  +   1462d ago
And I have the right to think his opinions waste my time 90% of the time he gives them. I don't see what is so difficult to understand about that.
FredEffinChopin  +   1462d ago
And by the way, that blanket statement might not sound so reasonable to you if we were talking Kotick instead of Blezinski.
Droid Control  +   1463d ago
2014 is too long. I'm desperate for a new console. I've been gaming on my 360 since 2005 and frankly - I'm tired of it. All the games look and play the same. Nothing interests me anymore.
TacoTaru  +   1463d ago
I don't think it's the console that makes all the games feel the same. Creativity is lagging far behind the hardware and with the cost of those hi-def graphics the financial folks don't want to risk their investment on something new and unproven.

I have to agree that finding something that holds my interest these days is a true challenge.
bebojet  +   1463d ago
No fanboy talk but I recommend you get a PS3 and check out some of the exclusive games.
bebojet  +   1463d ago
@ the disagrees

Than stick to playing CofD, Halo and Gears 24/7.
Blogz4Fanboyz  +   1462d ago
i have one, and in 2011 i so far have only bought 1 exclusive. u3 will be next! i m sorry, but sony exclusives ARE NOT the be all and end all of gaming
militant07  +   1463d ago
me too, I want new generation :(
Mr Tretton  +   1463d ago
There is a new generation, it's on PC.
militant07  +   1463d ago
ha..ha.... no its only console games with better graphics. they don't feature stuffs like better A.I and/or more enemies on single screen or more action.
Mr Tretton  +   1463d ago
What makes you think those things will be magically happening for consoles next gen? Next gen consoles will have the power of PCs from years ago. Consoles are always behind PC. The consoles were very underpowered the moment they were released.

Battlefield 3 on pc has bigger maps and player count than the console version. Because on PC, BF3 is a next generation game. The console receives a cheapened last gen version.
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qwertyz  +   1462d ago
@Mr Tretton

thanks, I've been saying this tikmes without number consoles where outdated at launch and this wil be the case with "next generation consoles as well" pc will always be a few steps ahead of consoles.

@everyone else
cliffy is always talking out of his arse so why even pay attention to him
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tee_bag242  +   1462d ago
@ Droid - Thats because so many games on 360 recycle the unreal engine.
pedo_across-the-road  +   1463d ago
His comments are getting more and more mature.

Alos88  +   1463d ago
I imagine Cliffy B will be wanting to administer the Mom Test personally.
josephayal  +   1463d ago
Go Home Cliffy! BTW thanks for GEARS 3
Highlife  +   1463d ago
He is free to share his thoughts no one made you listen!
alb1899  +   1463d ago
I like the mom test thing and i'm looking forward the new consoles.

I think we will have an interesting e3 next year and new consoles in 2013 or 2014 i guess.
Venjense  +   1463d ago
I remember my dad used to glance at me and my friends playing FIFA from the kitchen and think we were watching a real game....I want the next-gen sooooo bad, just imagine!
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torchic  +   1463d ago
i remember my mom watching me play Batman Arkham Asylum and she was like "are you watching a movie?" same thing with Final Fantasy XIII

imo that shows right there that we really don't need a new gen soon.
RockmanII7  +   1463d ago
I don't think I'm gonna jump into next gen day one. Don't see the point buying a $400-$500 system that has no games for it and will most likly have hardware problems. Wait a couple years if you can. You'll get it cheaper, better, more reliable, and will have a back catalog to buy from.
N311V  +   1463d ago
I won't be surprised if Sony learnt its lesson this gen and they have a strong launch line-up for the next.
ginsunuva  +   1463d ago
Cliffy has to get his mommy's permission why when buying games.
ArronC07  +   1463d ago
The average age of a gamers is 35, so no Cliffy B they don't have to pass the Mum test.
ATi_Elite  +   1463d ago
37 actually is the average age!
Ducky  +   1463d ago
... Isn't the stereotypical mom also 35~40 years old?
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NeutralGamer  +   1462d ago
Your Avatar. Where is it from?

I've seen that show before!
digitaledge  +   1462d ago

It's called PoCoYo. Narrated by the awesome Mr Stephen Fry.

It's a kid's show (which I happen to watch regularly with my kids).

And it's also quite good. :P
Impaler  +   1463d ago
"GB : CliffyB shares his wisdom with the world"

Sugreev2001  +   1462d ago
The one thing this generation has taught us is the clear demarcation of gamers.There is a separate audience for casual games,who don't intend on ever playing a proper hardcore game and vice versa.Both have been very successful and I think the trend will continue into the next gen.
user9841288  +   1462d ago
I didn't ever read the title of the article but I know every one of you are wrong DAMN WRONG I SAY!
Tarantino_Life  +   1462d ago
GamingDroid and Kaveti would go buy the next barbie game as long as MS make them. They are so much up MS ass there is no turning back I guess. Lol!
strifeblade  +   1462d ago
2014 for the next gen thats ****** im[possible, there is no way i can believe that.I was hoping for a nexbox in 2012 November or 2013 November (by 2013 November xbox 360 would be 8 years old!) at the latest. There is not much you can do in this gen. i mean looking at the graphics I have not seen a big wow factor games anymore even though plenty of games have great graphics just nothing that makes me say wow the same way gears of war 1 did when it came out. I am itching to buy a new console, i am glad nintendo is releasing theirs soon hopefuully putting pressure on msoft to release theirs sooner. For ps4 i wholly expect them to release 2013, and msoft in 2012. If not then 2013 for both consoles at the latest. Very soon just like nintendo hardware sales will drop initiating preparation for nexgen
AngelicIceDiamond  +   1462d ago
Hmm I believe there's still life in these consoles maybe if developers shifted on different concepts we can possibly see untapped capabilities, but who knows. I'm hoping MS will have a better balance with hardcore and core crowd next gen.
girlwithturn  +   1462d ago
Cliff B is a gay.
Beastradamus  +   1462d ago
I want this gen to last at least another 4 years. I've had my PS3 for 3 years and I just got a 360 last week so I am fine with waiting.
tee_bag242  +   1462d ago
Im looking forward to the next gen as much as the next person. But I'm happy to wait for 2014 if it means a bigger jump. Top line PC graphics is looking nice now, but if the hardware was in a console it wouldn't be enough to it going for another 6+ years.
Bleach  +   1462d ago
Cliffy B and the word 'wise' should never appear in the same sentence.
Tarantino_Life  +   1462d ago
SnakeShady  +   1462d ago
Please CliffyB, die in a fucking fire.
GrayFox007  +   1462d ago
Stop taking video games so seriously you pathetic loser
poo342947294792  +   1462d ago
cliffy b likes his bag tickeled by thai lady boys
GrayFox007  +   1462d ago
You would know all about getting tickled by ladyboys wouldn't you.
poo342947294792  +   1462d ago
yes since your the one who taught me about it and your dad with his purse
RevXM  +   1462d ago
I kind of agree with CB on this.

But isnt the difference between current consoles and top pc hardware is big enough already?
I long for new consoles, yes I enjoy both Ps3 and 360 but they are old and as some devs say current high end pc hardware is 10+ times more powerful than ps3/360.
The Nvidia 580 GPU have roughly 18 times more transistors than the 360 gpu and the flops performance is roughly 11 times of it.

If hardware progresses like its done since the dawn of time (not litterally) then by 2014 we will have gpu's and cpu's that perform like 60-80 times the current console gpu's and cpu's.
which is an awesome difference in power since the ps3 is said to be 40 times faster than ps2 according to some old ps3 ad.

Holy shit as the time flies by...

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