Gamepro: Simply the best racing game available right now. From its stellar graphics and presentation to its outstanding online racing modes and social features, Forza 4 is an absolute winner.
"Simply the best racing game available right now. From its stellar graphics and presentation to its outstanding online racing modes and social features, Forza 4 is an absolute winner." -Gamepro
For Gamepro to make that statement speaks volume. The cheif editor for the site is a long time fan of Tekken and GT5. He has also admitted to PS being his prefered console. I would never accuse him of being biased, just honest. But I doubt he would let this go public with out a second opion, if he felt differently.
Just a question for the Forza guys, I still really don't understand how it can get a perfect score when there are so many things that it doesn't do. Now I don't have the game, obviously, but can anyone confirm if one can: 1) are there rally races in F4? 2) can you race at night, (low lighting situations, seems like a lot of car games have that now days) 3) can you race in different conditions, wet, snow? F1 does it and i've witness many races in those situations @ the guys below. 4)do you have to install the game (this one really shouldn't matter, but it's always a negative when it comes to ps3 games) Now in no way shape of form am I saying that F4 is not a great game, but how can it possibly be "The Best Racing Sim on consoles" when there are so many things it doesn't "Simulate" that GT5 does? I'm just trying to make sense of the review system this gen, or maybe it's just me who needs to get with the program. Reviews Knocked on GT5 because nearly 800 cars of the game doesn't look as good as the premium 200 ones,(doesn't affect the driving) but drives with the same exact physics as the premium ones. But GT still allows you to drive all those cars night,day,rain,snow, it does what it sets out to do, simulate. when I go to work in the morning sometimes it sunny, and on the way back home, it sometimes rain, and I have to adjust my driving accordingly. You're telling that a racing game release in late 2011 can only simulate only half of such a basic natural phenomina, but is the best racing sim around? Locgically speaking, maybe if the game is being judge on it's own merit then yeah, but judging F4 against a game that even a year older offers more simulation then it will do when it releases and calling it the winner is very unfair in all honesty. but I'm sure I'm just talking to the wind here, lol.
@Cupid Read the last three paragraphs of the review. The reasoning is explained there. Also, I don't think the reviewer ever calls F4 the best racing "sim", so I'm not exactly sure what you are quoting.
quote from article "Which, of course, begs the question: Now that we’ve reached the end of the road for this generation of racing games, which franchise emerges the victor? Well, having played Gran Turismo 5 a lot, I feel that it still delivers the most realistic-feeling and authentic driving simulation experience. Brilliant though Forza 4 is, Gran Turismo 5 just feels a little more convincing at the limit, if only by a few degrees. And while the lighting and graphics in Forza 4 are outstanding, Gran Turismo 5 manages to articulate an atmosphere in its dynamic lighting and weather effects that is simply gorgeous. It also has more cars, but while their quality hits higher highs than the best in-game models in Forza 4, many – indeed most – of them are vastly inferior." Every single car in GT5 drives more realitiscally then in F4, even offers wet,rain,night modes then in F4, with more cars on tracks, but because some of the cars in F4 looks better then SOME cars in GT5, and you can paint the cars as well, that somehow F4 is the best driving simulator? I'm slightly confused to be honest. but like I speculated, I think it's just me. @fatoldman, I think being compared to a sim and judge on such merits implies that.
@ Cupid Those features are not essential for the perfect driving experience. If I wanted rally racing I'd get Dirt btw. And GT5 does not simulate weather conditions, they are mostly cosmetic. Does GT allow customization of cars? Does GT simulate damage? Why are you grasping at straws?
It has perfect score because Turn 10 has included features people care about and actually makes the game fun. Social features like Car Club and Rivals mode makes people want to play, not day and night cycles. Unlimited customization options from the inside out and auction houses are what genuine car nuts want, not fancy weather effects. In truth the only people who puts emphasize on graphics in car games are the PS3 fanboys. Real Car fanatics want to fix up their dream cars and test them on the tracks.
@ Objective, I think you're correct, varient road conditions are NOT essentials for the perfect driving experience. And for your info, yes, GT5 offers customization of cars, and yes it simulates damage, and any time you have proof that GT5 has cosmetic simulation of wet,dry,snow,dirt, please send me the link, I don't mind correcting my beliefs with hard facts. @ fullmetal, you're also right, all those reviewers who marked GT5 down for all cars not looking the same in the game were all ps3 fanboys, although the driving experience was never affected. And I guess You're also right on the point that Forza 4 is perfect, the game has no flaws. congrats buddy.
Cupid, 5/5 does not mean that a game is flawless. What a stupid notion. Seriously, how stupid must you be to not know this.
No fanboy talk but it seems you're searching for they car keys without even looking at the key holder hanging by the door. In other words GT5 does things that Forza4 doesnt, Forza4 does things that GT5 doesnt, when you put the complete package of both side by side, most of the reviews including this one feel Forza4 is the better game= as a reviewer/critic if you believe a game within any genre is THE BEST, better than any other on the market then why not give it the highest rating? Its been said quite often that a perfect score is not symbolic of a perfect game, it is only an indication that a game has achieved the highest quality available within that genre. Your question seems to assume that to be better you must have every gameplay element a competitor has to be considered the best game, when the obvious answer is which studio made the better overall game?, its really not that complicated to see the answer....or you can just keep looking under the couch for the keys that are still hanging by the door.
@jokes Your take on things could be right. Or maybe it's even simpler than that, something along the lines that " the best DRIVING GAME has to offer the BEST DRIVING." which according to this perfect review, it is only second best. It's similar to judging a car as best in it's class based on looks and features but not the actual driving. And i also think that your analogie applies more to you then it does towards me, GT5 is part the norm, like F1, Moto Gp Etc, and its you who's been looking for the alternative.
No, Im not "looking" for anything, I simply came to read a review for Forza4, YOU came to question its legitamacy, with poorly conceived reasons, which is why I pointed out that you just sound as if you cannot accept the truth that the FACT is the reviewer thinks Forza4 IS THE BEST racer availabe on consoles (see above #1.1 qoute from Gamepro) and so your question is off base, much the same if I asked, "where is the chainsaw gun in ___,", "where is the perfect reload in ____,", "where is the meat sheild in ___", etc, etc, it would be silly to suggest every TPS should have those non-essential features just because Gears3 has them. Seriously your logic is flawed, I could ask similiar questions of any highly related game, and they would be just as baseless, UNLESS those things were fundamental elements expected in every game of that genre. No if it wants to compete or excel past Gears it just needs to do whatever it does better than anybody else. Again you just seem determined to suggest Forza4 does not deserve this score, yet you lack any real logic for such a statement, of course you are welcome to that opinion but fortunately that isnt going to change the FACT that this reviewer from Gamepro gave it the perfect score he thought it desreved.
@jokes, here's your statement: " No if it wants to compete or excel past Gears it just needs to do whatever it does better than anybody else. Again you just seem determined to suggest Forza4 does not deserve this score, yet you lack any real logic for such a statement," and here's my reason, but I'll just quote the reviewer himself: "which franchise emerges the victor? Well, having played Gran Turismo 5 a lot, I feel that it still delivers the most realistic-feeling and authentic driving simulation experience. Brilliant though Forza 4 is, Gran Turismo 5 just feels a little more convincing at the limit, if only by a few degrees. And while the lighting and graphics in Forza 4 are outstanding, Gran Turismo 5 manages to articulate an atmosphere in its dynamic lighting and weather effects that is simply gorgeous. It also has more cars, but while their quality hits higher highs than the best in-game models in Forza 4, many – indeed most – of them are vastly inferior." and thanks to all who participated in a civil discussion on a what is undoubtly a great addition in the racing Genre, and to the guy calling me stupid, thanks for your input, but the minute you call me names I auto ignore you, you should ignore me as well, buddy.
Yeah, so let me finish his analysis for you, the fact remains Forza4 in his own words is, "Simply the best racing game available right now".....which again explains the score and is the answer to your question. Last bub...so enJOY your day Sir. @ shysun below, So whats your point? At the time of Halo's release many thought Halo was indeed the best FPS, in many ways it re-defined what was possible on consoles. Its still highly praised and often compared to games all these years later. Oh, oh hold on wait, wait, I forgot, again you assume your 1 opinion outweighs what the reality is for millions of others, well I guess they're right, you cant reason with an UNreasonable man. Good day Sir.
Another excellent score for Forza 4. Microsoft's exclusives are on a roll, first with GeoW 3 and now 4za 4. (props to jizzyjones for the "4za" name).
The 360s on a roll this year! Great work by Microsoft.
and thats the end of it for microsofts exclusives... though those are two very good exclusives by the way
@Logic 360 is on a roll for Sept-Oct with the two games this whole year. Needs more...MMMOOOAARRR!!!
@Spitfire_Riggz what about Halo and The Witcher 2? i mean The Witcher 2 is on PC but still it will be console exclusive for Microsoft either way Quality>Quantity i prefer 2/3 good games to 5 and only one of those is actually good.
Quality. Sure does beat quantity don't it?
Yep. 10 quality games > 2. I understand that car enthusiasts are happy now, but let's keep it real please.
A PERFECT Game like GT5
Well for the record I think "Weather Effects" in Forza4 would have been sweet, but its not a make or break feature and if I had to choose I'd gladly take what IS in Forza4 over whats in GT5, either way though I'd say if you're a sim racing fan, its like prefering a apple jellybean over a cherry jellybean....most non-jellybean fanboys wonder what the hell all the fuss is about 'cause both jellybeans are pretty damm good.
I'll definitely be picking forza 4 up in the coming weeks, but I'm really hoping turn 10 includes weather effects in forza 5, assuming it will be developed.
The demo made me wanna pick this up. I played Forza 3 and wasn't too impressed with the graphics ( cars looked cartoony ) and found the gameplay a little stale. They did a much better job with the car modeling this time and the racing was actually exciting ( for a sim ) I'm gonna make the jump and give Forza another shot. I like GT but it didn't bowl me over with the actual racing. Still don't know if Forza looks better ( gonna say no ) but shit it looks good and moves smoooooth. I'm in. Edit: In regard to Turn 10- Always respect GT, without it, you wouldn't have anything to inspire you to make Forza. Competition is good, but don't be dicks. You should be thanking Polypany for giving you something to aspire to.
I agree Forza 4 is a great racing game, it's so good in fact that the demo made me interested in racers for the first time in a while.... I bought GT5 b/c it's only 40 bucks now and still really good (I think more realistic driving mechanics compared to the F4 demo imo). Regardless, with all the updates definitely at least 9/10. It's strange that Forza 4 made me buy GT5 but at least it's expanding the racer customer base.
I can't wait to pick this up :)
Im loving all the disagree's from angry Sony fanboys upset that this game is doing much better critically than GT5 did, yet next to no annoying fanboy comments. Seems the fanboys have taken a stealth approach to their beloved console war.
There's nothing of substance for them to refute the fact that Forza 4 has taken the crown from Forza 3.
The huge degree to which this game tops GT5 makes it difficult for them to argue any sound points. So they just disagree to every post or say something really outrageous and fanboyish, then run. What they should have done is taken their anger out on Poly and Sony for lying to them for 6 years, only to deliver an unfinished train wreck of a high res PS2 game. GT5 is a mess, and Poly should be ashamed, the fanboys should grow a pair and stop making excuses for them.
Gt5 controls better than f4..... it's a racing game...that's what I look for...CONTROL! The demo for F4 felt like a glorified arcade racer. I'll give it another go but if it's not a sim, what is it?
out of all the reviews why hasn't one reviewer mentioned anything about the damage in forza 4? doesnt that seem odd to anyone? ANYONE??? I remember gt5 that was all the talk from reviewers. the damage for this game looks just as bad if not even worse. Reviewers are useless. Not taking anything away from forza 4 but switch systems and gt5 would be the best thing ever to reviewers and forza 4 would be horrible after 2 races.
I played the F4 demo and GT controls a hell on a lot better! GT looks better too, throw in some weather and GT5 is my king! I might buy F4 when the price drops but it's not what I want in a racer for a day one purchase.
Pls can you enlighten us on your real life experience wth a car on a track and then can you tell us how the exact car you drove in real life compared to the virtual versions in Forza and GT? If you cant then you have no idea what your talking about.
I drive a car every day! Any ways... there's a feel to it, true gamers know the difference between a Sim and arcade racer. F4 is stuck in the middle, it is what is ...... id rather play Gt5, I gave it a chance but just from the way it handles ill pass for now.
Obviously you prefer GT5 and thats great. I just disagree with the way you state your opinion as if its fact. Just to be clear theres reviews that say Forza4 is the best looking racer available, and theres quite a few who suggest Forza4 plays better/has better physics, of course Im sure you will debate whether or not its true, since all we are refering to is just more opinions. One thing that is not open for debate though is that Forza4 seems to be the better game according to the professional gaming media, regardless of what fans of both believe. They all could be wrong though.
@jokesonyou.....They say Halo is the best FPS too.....but any way, with out rain, snow and dirt how can the physics be better? The physics aren't even being challenged! I hope you guys enjoy the game, it's just not my cup of tea, maybe to "accessible" for me. i feel you though.
gotta love the ps3drones on this site. when they lose out on the sales race they talk about metacritic. then when they lose out on metacritic race they talk about sales. then! when they lose out on both sales and scores they bring up some other lame reply like listing yet another "exclusive list" give me a break, your game lost. 6 years of WAITING and it still lost. can't you shut the fuck up about GT5 and stay out of Forza articles? i guess not because nobody seems to be playing gt5 anymore.
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