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Naughty Dog explains why the kill/death ratio stat won’t be in Uncharted 3

Naughty Dog’s Arne Meyer explains why they won’t be displaying the kill/death ratio in any of their online stats in their upcoming title, Uncharted 3: Drake’s Deception. (PS3, Uncharted 3: Drake's Deception)

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eak3  +   1460d ago
Bold move, I understand why and actually don't have a problem with the reasoning behind it, but in the end more people will be pissed off than not by it. Everyone wants to know how they stack up against other people, people are innately competitive. It's the political correct crap that tries to make you feel bad for being this way.
Laypoof  +   1460d ago
Imagine if call of doody removed that stat too! LMAO
evrfighter  +   1460d ago | Well said
That's a blessing in disguise. You ps3 folk better support devs like ND. they are few and far between
DarkTower805  +   1460d ago
I've disagreed on your views before evrfighter, but on this matter you're on the money. The stats only show briefly after the game as well. You can still see them, but only if you want.

I've played the U3 mp for the past few days and for a change, I haven't cared about my kdr. Yes, everyone wants to do good and help your team win, but you shouldn't forget it's the gameplay that makes the game and not stats. They're still there, but the way they're presented they're not the focus like other online shooter's. Great call from ND.
Spenok  +   1460d ago
That was my first thought. I say they should do it. However. And game that has a pure deathmatch or TDM mode, SHOULD track your k/d.
SilentNegotiator  +   1460d ago
"Imagine if call of doody removed that stat too!"

....there would be a lot less camping and people who care ten-fold more about 'not dying' than 'getting kills'
guitarded77  +   1460d ago
Ok... without reading... SO PEOPLE WILL PLAY THE OBJECTIVE???? Did I win? Did I win? That's why I hate one very popular shooter in particular... you're playing capture the flag and everyone thinks it's team deathmatch.

UPDATE: "We're not showing K/DR on any of our online stats - it encourages breaking the spirit of the game. So we're taking a hard line on this to see if it has any effect."

Same thing just more generalized. Good for you Naught Dog... and good for me too :D
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Peppino7  +   1460d ago
I don't know whether I agree or disagree with this move. I kinda do care a little about my k/d and accuracy %. That being said, I don't camp and I like to see my stats regarding those. I do agree that it will help with camping overall but now I can see people just running around blindly and just throwing grenades because they know if they run out of those things they wont mind dying to replenish ammo. I like running low on stuff and still trying to stay alive with what I have. I guess I'll just have to wait and see. People who worry to much about their stats can ruin others gaming experience but not caring about dying can also hurt.
Dragonopolis  +   1460d ago
Call of Duty is about soldiers-People paid and trained specifically to kill-so in a war type game kill/death ratio makes sense.

Drake's job really isn't to kill, his career choice often has him dealing with people who do kill. Its the unfortunate part of his career choice and he has learned to cope with it but his personality type is way different from a soldiers.

Please don't make comments about Indiana Jones or comparisons (and I have to break my own rule to explain why). Indy grew up during and through both world wars and we learn in the last movie he did some pretty nasty spy work for the government. Way different from Nathan and they both were in their career choices for vastly different reasons.

Drake's personality type leans more toward avoiding contention whenever possible and out-thinking the enemy in favor of brute force, but will hold his own in a fight if necessary and is smart enough to prepare for the worst.

If the goal is to capture the essence of Drake then it makes sense to pull the Kill/death ratio.

Good Job Naughty Dog... Bold move
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Anon1974  +   1459d ago
I have no clue what my k/d is in other games. I've never paid any attention. I love playing games, and sure I love to win - but I've never been interested in stat checking to see how I stack up against every other player. Mind you, I never really play deathmatch or even team deathmatch. I've always much more enjoyed objective based team matches - and then it's about your objectives, not about you k/d ratio alone.
Kleptic  +   1459d ago
evrfighter's best comment i've ever read...

no matter what anyone says, a KDR actively effects a majority of player's play styles in a given situation...i've hard mic chat where people won't go for objectives in BF3's beta 'because i already died too much and my kdr sucks'...

I don't know about other competitive players...but i've played enough multiplayer shooters to see what type of behavior is generally getting favorable kdr's...and its nothing to be impressed about...ANYONE can snipe all day, or play defensively (when their team is in an offensive based objective situation)...resulting in them NOT helping their team, and getting a near perfect kdr...sure there are great players that simply are that good, and consistantly get high kdr's while working for and with a team...but in general, the best players aren't afraid of getting off'd just to keep a high kdr...

but people still use a kdr to put other players in a box...low kdr 'you suck'...high kdr 'you're awesome'...

I'm happy ND is doing this, but i hope they are aware of just how many douches are going to flip out...
MaxXAttaxX  +   1459d ago
Thank you Naughty Dog!
Now change "Ranks" back to "Levels" and we're all set :)
theonlylolking  +   1459d ago
I wish call of duty would get rid of KDR. In fact I wish every shooter removed that feature.

The only stats every shooter should show is win to loss ratio and score. So then people will be judged on score or win to loss ratio.
HappyGaming  +   1459d ago
Win/Lose/Drop Out ratio!!!
Because its about the objectives and not just the kills!!!
gamingdroid  +   1460d ago
I kind of like the stat, but don't want the abuse either so kind of like the idea as well.

I think a good middle ground is, the k/d ratio isn't publicly visible. It's great for personal stat tracking, but worthless as a bragging right when it isn't visible.
MaxXAttaxX  +   1459d ago
It's so that people focus on completing objectives instead of treating every game mode as Deathmatch.
gamingdroid  +   1459d ago
I got that much...

What I meant was, stats are useless for these people unless they can brag about it. Remove the ability (or minimize) to brag then it won't be a focus. Still I want to be able to see my results.

Maybe even only have proper stats for each game mode.
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radphil  +   1460d ago
" Everyone wants to know how they stack up against other people, people are innately competitive"

Is it me, or is it sad that some of those people have to throw around their e-peen to the point that they'll skip a game just because a game doesn't have K/D ratio?

This is in relation to some topics on forums I've seen of people complaining in droves about this move.

The thing is, from the statement in the article, it's true in my experience that people who obsess with K/D tend to break the idea behind a game.
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JaredH  +   1460d ago
Well you couldn't see your k/d in Uncharted 2 unless you went on their website so it's not that much of a difference.
homer  +   1459d ago
That is false. You can see it in UC 2 under the leaderboards.
aquamala  +   1459d ago
Don't even know why the ratio is important, is someone going 3-1 in a match better than someone with 12-10? Where is the kills per match or per minute stat?
zero_gamer  +   1459d ago
K/D Ratio is just E-Penis. People abusing the system can kill an online game for others that play it simply for some entertainment. The more games ditch this the better.
Gamer-Z  +   1459d ago
This looks amazing wow those graphics are insane. Im going to be fist fighting out of some tricky situations ^_^
meluvulongtime  +   1459d ago
I think they should have it for deathmatch and that's it. Ppl are still playing objective and plunder like it's deathmatch. In those modes their kills should not even add to over all kills. You got guys just camping on rooftops picking ppl off getting 40-50 kills in a match with no intention of playing it to win.
caperjim  +   1459d ago
My average K/D is usually 1.5 to 3.0 for most games but i actually would like all games to remove the stat from public viewing. There shouldnt be a K/D ratio for objective gametypes. Until it gets removed most will not play games the way they are meant to be played.
Motorola  +   1460d ago
If only some other games did this....
Burning_Finger  +   1460d ago
Who cares about that crap. I just want to pawn people.. hahah
Jack-DangerousIy  +   1460d ago
Totally... Who doesn't love pawning people.

*facepalm* lol ;)
Kostchtchie  +   1460d ago
this is epic news
C0MPUT3R  +   1460d ago
It = Less camping & more team play. It's now about the W/L ratio.
sashimi  +   1460d ago
My W/L ratio was like 5.x:1 in uncharted 2 =P team play always win!
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kratos123  +   1459d ago
Omg. It's win lose ratio now , that is really a great move . Now people will do those Damn objectives instead of thinking of themselves
meluvulongtime  +   1459d ago
I'm playing in the subway early access and it's not like that. Still too many tools playing objective modes as deathmatch. They need to stop tracking kills period on those modes. Then they'll have nothing to brag about for all their efforts to farm kills on objective modes.
kamakaz3md  +   1460d ago
I got the code to play this for 1 whole month and wish the stats didnt carry over. I get my ass kicked every single match and im tired of it cause i love the uncharted series... they deff. changed the gameplay up a bit cause in u2 i was pretty good, this game i get like 3 kills and 10 deaths like every match, its pissin me off!
xAlmostPro  +   1460d ago
Got the code?.. i got it from the store lol
DaTruth  +   1459d ago
There are too many boosters in the game and they force you up against level 30 guys even when you're lvl.1! It's like a naked dude with a slingshot taking on a guy in full body-armour with a grenade launcher!

I stopped playing right away! I would run up on guys from behind and empty a full clip in them just to see them turn around while I'm reloading and blow me away with one shot from a pistol!
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Biggest  +   1459d ago
Gotta move quicker. There are power weapons all over. And even as level 1 you have the skill to see them when they're near. I went from level 1 to 5 in my first match alone because the power weapons. Maybe you should try sneaking up on fire fights to get some easy clean up kills.
Tarantino_Life  +   1460d ago
Brilliant Decision though I assume this is only for Objective modes. They could include it in Team Deathmatch. Either ways very very bold move. Hope there are others who do this
lodossrage  +   1460d ago
I understand and see where they're coming from
But this is RISKY as hell
UltimateIdiot911  +   1460d ago
I love the fact there isn't a K/D ratio. I hate those things since it encourages players to act like Rambo. Always in it for themselves instead of taking chances and helping the team.

But again, I think this will win over those who are more teamplayer which is fine by me.
lodossrage  +   1460d ago
I'm liking the fact the K/D ratio is gone too. But the thing is so many play JUST to say "my k/d ratio is so pristine" and the likes.

In theory, it SHOULD promote better team play yeah, but only time will tell if that turns out to be the case.
Philoctetes  +   1459d ago
Agreed, but I think it's pretty cool. I never played multiplayer in Uncharted 2 (besides getting the trophies), but this honestly makes me more likely to give it a try in U3 if it makes the game mroe team-oriented.
Persistantthug  +   1459d ago
There's no risk. This is Naughty Dog and this is Uncharted.
People will fall in.
xVeZx  +   1460d ago
i wish more games would just drop that stat...
Spenok  +   1460d ago
Agreed. However if it had to be around, at least have it in DM and TDM, that's it. No more.
xVeZx  +   1459d ago
showing how you did in the game like the carnage report in halo for example is fine...its the overall stat that they should get rid of..
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pr0digyZA  +   1459d ago
Agreed, if a game like battlefield had it, then maybe more objectives would be done. as Spenok said maybe bring it back for TDM and DM.
xVeZx  +   1459d ago
battlefield of all games should definitely get rid of the kd stat...
Spenok  +   1459d ago
Definitly. DM seems to be the only game mode I can think of that Would need it. EVERY other mode should have it gone. and as xVeZx says BF should definitly get rid of it.
PS3gamer4life  +   1460d ago
cnt wait this game man this da main game i want..

Uc3 number 1 game want
Jack-DangerousIy  +   1460d ago
Holy crap....

eak3  +   1459d ago
what the hell did you just even say??
SAE  +   1459d ago
lol , i like how you talk... :)
taijutsu363  +   1460d ago
Im fine with that i dont need NO stat to tell me im F****in people up! haha
f789790  +   1460d ago
With KDR being unknown unless you want to do simple division, hopefully there will be more teamwork. Nothing like having half your team do nothing but camp an area for kills while you lose the objective.
plmkoh  +   1460d ago
Honestly, whilst game stats are an interesting way to gauge your level of play, it also changes the way people behave in game, such as instead of playing the game for the team/objective they camp or find ways to rack up kills just to boost their stats.
nolifeking  +   1460d ago
I like this. considering that they want UC3 to be a TEAM BASED game this omission is ideal. It tells peolple that if you want good stats, be a team player.
Relientk77  +   1460d ago
Who cares, Kill/death ratio doesnt make or break a shooter game

Also it is simple math, you can calculate it for yourself

Doesnt affect the game at all
SageHonor  +   1460d ago
In the BETA I see it but you are still able to see kills and deaths. I got about 950 kills and 700 deaths. And im in a clan so im good to go when the retail comes. And the singleplayer will be freaking epic.
Longsama  +   1460d ago
First the super update and now this....say what you will but Naughty Dog listens to its fanbase
Relientk77  +   1460d ago
I highly agree Naughty Dog is a great developer. They listen to their fans and make games for their fans
TheClown  +   1459d ago
If they listened to their fans then UC2's multiplayer wouldn't have received a patch that made it much worse. Now they're doing the same thing with UC3 except now it comes with an online pass. There is no point in having online passes without dedicated servers. It's like they're using the online passes to hide the mediocre tacked on multiplayer so people have to buy it to see how bad it is.

Removing K/D ratio? How about completely removing the tacked on multiplayer altogether & focus more on the single player. Nobody plays Uncharted for the multiplayer anyways except for people who don't speak english.
Tarantino_Life  +   1459d ago
Lol. Uncharted 2 has more players playing online daily then BFBC2 360, pc, ps3 combined. It is the second biggest multi community among shooters after COD on the ps3. Please try to think before attempting to type.
gumchewinasskikr  +   1459d ago

True to your name.

EPIC *Facepalm*
ufo8mycat  +   1460d ago
Great move

Hopefully this somewhat stops people from camping.

Should be the same for BF3 - I am sure it would stop camping to an extent.
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eak3  +   1459d ago
Some of the objectives in BF3 require you to camp if your playing the game as its supposed to be. If your defending MCOM nodes its stupid as hell to be moving off into enemy territory where you're eventually going to get clipped. You pick a spot and defend the node as per the objectives.
Wintersun616  +   1460d ago
Good move ND, good move. Playing for KDR is pointless and stupid. It's like playing games for trophies to grow your e-p. Sure you get to play the games and in some peoples eyes be good at it. But in the end the best players are the ones who get the most fun out of it, and playing for KDR or trophies isn't fun at all, it's a chore.
byrnezy  +   1460d ago
ND you are truly my hero... I have never cared for K/D ratios so on... One game at a time!!
Eyesoftheraven  +   1460d ago
That's it! I'm not buying it now.

..Juuust kidding!
gypsygib  +   1460d ago
I had a lot more fun playing MP when I didn't worry about k/d. Now I get a decent k/d in most games but play and enjoy online MP a lot less - it's almost as if it's stressful instead of fun.
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MysticStrummer  +   1460d ago
I don't see how this matters at all. They're still showing kills and deaths. People won't change their play style because of this. *shrug*
floetry101  +   1460d ago
I've been looking over my K/D ratio for the last 3 years in competitive shooters, and I couldn't be happier with the removal of it. It's ingrained in my sub-conscious, I've always felt the need to look after that stat and I'm sure many more would feel that way. It's such a sought-after statistic to measure player capability, and while it does give you an idea of your skill, it ignores a host of team-based objective criteria, which is probably the most important thing.

I'll be happier playing UC3 online. There is no concern over skill level, promoting riskier team play and more action.
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eagles1990  +   1460d ago
Thank You!!! Thank You!!! Thank You!!!

Now hopefully people will play plunder the right way
Optical_Matrix  +   1460d ago
Speaks the truth. Amount of games I've played where members of the team take their K/D as priority over actually helping the rest of the team in any given objective which ultimately costs us the whole game. Good on ND for doing this. Can't wait to play the game.
ginsunuva  +   1460d ago
No cod kids going out looking for kills only.
MasterCornholio  +   1460d ago
Because they don't want to hurt the feelings of people who are terrible at the game. Imagine someone with 50 kills and a thousand deaths how they would feel in seeing that stat.
UltimateIdiot911  +   1459d ago
It's a team based game which is suppose to be about team work not who has the biggest e-peen.

I much rather play with someone who has 50 kills and a thousand death that knows the importance of teamwork such as helping capture objective or supporting the team than some jerk with 500 kills and 1 death camping all day while the team loses each objective.

It's why I enjoy the older BF titles over other FPS. Not sure about BF3 as I want to see conquest mode not Rush. I play on multiplayer to win as a team not to be a one man army. One man army is what I do on single player.
majdees  +   1459d ago
I have been waiting for somebody to step up and do it. This move will have a huge impact on how people play the game. Thank you Naughty Dog. I LOVE YOU GUYS!
jagstatboy  +   1459d ago
Great move Naughty Dog, love it.
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