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Gran Turismo/Forza Rivalry Discussed by Turn 10

Turn 10, the developer responsible for the Forza Motorsport series, has discussed the rivalry between their Xbox 360 exclusive racing franchise and Polyphony Digital’s Gran Turismo franchise. (Forza Motorsport 4, Gran Turismo 5, PS3, Xbox 360)

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StillGray  +   1330d ago
I'm kind of excited about this.
hellzsupernova  +   1330d ago
same! im considering buying a new xbox for it. but i cannot justify the cost for just one game!!! and gt5 was a massive disappointment for me personally.

edit: he didnt really mention much of the rivalry between GT and Forza.
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PirateThom  +   1330d ago
Wait for the Spec 2 update, if that still disappoints, you can get a 360 for cheap enough to warrant the purchase.
hellzsupernova  +   1330d ago
yeah might have to wait. how big is the update though?

and why is my comment getting sooo many disagrees lol

edit: i bought the signature edition of gt5 as well so thats how dedicated i was!!!
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Autodidactdystopia  +   1330d ago
AWW DAMMIT I love them both.

6mos ago I bought a ps3 for Gran turismo.
then I sold it.Now ima have to buy a 360 for forza 4.

Forza 4 + GranT5="Opulence I has it."
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john2  +   1330d ago
Gotta say that I was also disappointed with GT5
Grip  +   1330d ago
sign me in. im very disappointed with GT5
Micro_Sony  +   1330d ago
I was hoping for so much more from Poly with GT5 : (

But it was ok and worth a play.
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Bull5hifT  +   1330d ago
Gran Turismo is in its own league, They Should try NFS Shift vs. Forza...... These people are Hella Funny.... Like HALO to Crysis cause theres aliens or Tomb Raider To Uncharted...... Cause they climb stuff or Gears of war to God of war cause there both OF WAR.... Call of juarez - Call of Battlefield ...... The guy from Fast and the Furious says you cant jump in the ring against ALI cause you think you can box
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cryymoar  +   1330d ago
I don't understand how anybody was disappointed with GT5. I mean, what the hell did you guys really expect?
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Kushan  +   1330d ago
At the risk of getting "disagreed to hell", I think a lot of people looked at Forza 3 and naturally compared it to GT5. GT5 was, in my opinion, the better game, but Forza 3 was made in literally half the time and was still a pretty solid game.
Here's the thing - GT4 came out in 2005, the same year as FM1. FM2 came out 2 years later, no GT5. FM3 came out in 2009, still no GT5. A year later, GT5 eventually came out, in the time it took to make that one game, Forza made 3. Of course, people will argue that GT5 was the better game overall, but you still had to wait 5 years for it while Forza fans had been enjoying their racing game of choice the whole time.

It's a bit like going to a realllly nice restaurant. You order your food, you're hungry but you can wait 30mins, what's the rush. Across the street people are at another restaurant, their food isn't as nice but they get their starter in 20mins. You're still waiting for your dinner. An hour goes past, you're still munching on breadsticks while the other group has had their mains and are enjoying dessert. 90mins pass, you're finally getting your dinner, you're absolutely starving and you can't help but feel that even though the food is delicious, you'd rather have had it an hour ago.
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RedDragan  +   1330d ago
Sorry folks, but I found GT5 to be immensely superior to Forza 3 as a simulator. It was nice to finally have a racing game that didn't have the drawing the distance of about 200M.

The physics were very, very good and the sense of speed was nigh on perfect for what you get in reality.

When you worked your way up to the really fast races I admit that I struggled alot because I couldn't afford or couldn't find any of the Le Mans Prototypes in used car garage.

And as for the Red Bull challenge, fastest and hardest race I have ever, ever, ever attempted.

With Forza you had none of that, even the hardest races were easily winnable because of the poor physics which were between arcade/simulation.

GT5 is about to get alot better as well with Spec 2 on the way. That being said, Forza 4 is still a day one buy for me. Sometimes it is nice to have a blast on a game that is between arcade and simulation, it has it's own little niche market and fills it well.

From what I have seen on the Demo though I don't think it is trying to be a simulator like GT5 is. Hence the purchase of both is justified.

Forza 4 and GT5 Spec II in the same month! HELL YEAH! BRING IT ON!
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ConstipatedGorilla  +   1330d ago
cryymoar - "I don't understand how anybody was disappointed with GT5. I mean, what the hell did you guys really expect?

Something at least as good as Forza 3 would have been nice...

And yes, I owned GT5... it was underwhelming to say the least.
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darthv72  +   1330d ago
If anything the games feed off of each other more than they try to rival each other. Yes they are premier driving games on their respected platforms but if there is a "rivalry" then it has been fueled by the fanboys who cant see past the idea of both games being great.

I own and play both series and have to say that each has strengths and weaknesses. Neither is perfect but both are equally entertaining from a pure driving POV. Many consider the comment T10 made before as being some sort of dig at PD when they arent.

That is the beauty of selective reading/hearing. The ability of an individual to twist things around to suit their needs. Yet they dont even believe the words coming from the horses mouth (figure of speech). This fanboy rivalry between both games is exactly that.

Both companies have very high respect for each other even if the gamers do not.
Morpheuzpr  +   1329d ago
@ Kushan

I desagree. After GT4 PD made Tourist Trophy, GTHD, GT5p GTPSP and finally GT5. Did i expected more? In all honesty, yes but only in terms of PDs quality standards. Now 800+ standard cars is impossible to make in such detail and craftsmanship degree as the rest of the premium cars in the game in the amount of time the studio had to work considering the above.

Not even iRacing or rFactor with a huge modding comunity has that amount of cars at that quality, and when i say quality i mean visually but more importantly physics which has to be tweaked and tested extensively.
Autodidactdystopia  +   1329d ago
holy crap @disagrees

what are you disagreeing with?

was it that i like forza?

was it that I like GT5?

was it that I sold my ps3?

was it that how dare I like them both?

was it that how dare I use a opulence reference?

or was it that I used math?
S_C  +   1330d ago
Any one know of a good quality wheel to get for this game and for f1 2011, not expensive but with force feedback ?
StanLatMarveldotCom  +   1330d ago
My biggest problem has been the lack of options in regards to a good wheel on the XBox 360. The Fanatec wheels are just too expensive. $250 for the wheel alone. The cheapest pedals are $50 and garbage making the $150 club sport pedals a must and the shifter set is another $50 plus shipping. That's $500 for a Fanatec setup. If the XBox 360 support Logictec's G27, you would get the same for $250. Fanatec is just way too expensive and there's nothing else.
JellyJelly  +   1330d ago
"Fanatec is just way too expensive and there's nothing else."

Lol, nice troll there.

Try this one, it's $89.99 and supposed to be awesome. http://www.destructoid.com/...

Think I'm gonna buy it myself.
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jacksons98  +   1330d ago
I think for a lot of people it sucks because you even need to purchase another wheel for 360. With PS3 I could use the same wheel I use for my PC. A logitech g25.
Prophet-Gamer  +   1330d ago
There is no rivalry and I don't understand why Turn 10 is always talking about PD and GT5 yet not once have ever heard the other side even mention Turn 10.

Fact is, they're on different platforms, sure same genre, but they are not in direct competition. Both are great game though personally I do prefer Forza, but it's obvious that a lot more people prefer GT as GT sells millions more than Forza ever could. Hell, GT3 alone sold more than the entire Forza franchise iirc. But I digress.

Nonetheless, this Forza vs. GT thing is absurd to say the least.
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damnyouretall  +   1330d ago
well, forza's car list is geared more toward americans. forza appeals to me just a lil more. nothin wrong with GT though, dont get me wrong. but you cant say forza doesnt kick ass as well :)
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Prophet-Gamer  +   1330d ago
Actually dude, in my comment I said I do prefer Forza, lol. So I kinda of agree with you. Point is, both games are great, picky whichever one you like. End of story.
Liquid_Ocelot  +   1330d ago
Well said both of you. Let's enjoy the games and thank them for fulfilling our needs [for speed] x)

Thank you Polyphony, and thank you Turn 10
mugoldeneagle03  +   1330d ago
I agree
I've played both, like GT more just because I've been playing the series for a long time, but I can easily see why a lot of people didn't like GT5.

It becomes quite the grind, and lots of gamers these days can't handle the grind. Which is a shame because you see a lot of GT5's beauty the longer you play it
gcolley  +   1330d ago
it is called journalism. journalists ask questions, they answer them and then the media blows it all out of proportion. if there was no rivalry they would only get a quarter the amount of clicks to their article.

of course there is rivalry between the best driving sims on both consoles.
DaTruth  +   1330d ago
I was gonna say that same thing, but then you have to question why Forza never comes up with PD! Then you have to realize that PD is batting away that question, because I think we can say for certain somebody's asking it!

So we can conclude that Turn 10 can choose not to answer the question, or just say something nice about the competition!
Kaneda  +   1330d ago
I was very happy with GT5...
Maddens Raiders  +   1330d ago
From the article:

"It makes for great stories for people. It’s not what drives our team. Our team is driven towards that vision of car passion and car culture...... You can’t navigate without knowing the landscape"

that's right b/c GT has set the landscape for console racing the past 15 years running mate & if he thought about what PD was doing *all the time he'd be a madman! LOL

i'm only laughing out loud at those baboons in this thread that think T10 could turn out anything close to the near perfection of GT5 or any other GT for that matter! GT5 is a f'n BEAST!!!!!

HAHAAAHA what with *all of their plastic cars, beginner physics and pre-rendered repetitive & sophomoric looking damage models, what "serious" motorhead wouldn't want to play it F4?

That's why the pros know there's only one king of racers & that's...............
GRAN TURISMO 5®. Deal with it.

ASPEC-35 BSPEC-40 / 97% complete / 525 cars / ADD me
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gcolley  +   1330d ago
and the guys below get their response hidden from trolling?
Septic  +   1330d ago
I actually believe Forza 3 surpassed GT5 and T10 didn't spend a decade working on a title that really left a lot to be desired.
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Megaton  +   1330d ago
Turn 10 has tried very hard to manufacture a rivalry with their less-than-classy PR, but there is no rivalry. Polyphony Digital is fairly apathetic about Forza and Turn 10. It's only Turn 10 that acts aggressive and competitive towards PD and GT. A rivalry has to go both ways.

Like when Kaz checked out their booth for Forza 3, asked some questions about various game mechanics, and left. Turn 10 took that innocuous exchange and went all "OMG PD WAS SPYING ON US TODAY CLEARLY WE'RE THE DEFINITIVE RACING KINGS". It's all very one-sided and immature.
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Gray-Fox-Type0  +   1329d ago
Everyone knows Forza is the king of simulators for a long time now. Since Forza 1 came around.
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spektical  +   1330d ago
what rivalry? its only a rivalry if both companies do things to signal a rivalry. PD has kept it classy, and brought the best racing sim ever. Cant wait for the Spec 2.0.
Crystallis  +   1330d ago
Spec 2.0 will be madness..cant wait for that. And on topic, there is no rivalry. GT is in a league of its own.
TheShow17  +   1330d ago
What is Spec 2.0? Is that a major update, DLC or an separate GT?
SoapShoes  +   1330d ago
Spec II is a big update with DLC to follow. Spec II in GT5 Prologue gave us over 30 new cars and a track so when they update Specs, it usually is something significant.
2pacalypsenow  +   1330d ago
when does Spec II come out?
Oner  +   1330d ago
It comes out the third week of this month ~ http://www.gtplanet.net/gt5...
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Boody-Bandit  +   1330d ago
The only rivalry that exist is in these sites and some misguided fans, imagination. How can you have a rivalry when they are on two different consoles and target a different audience? You can't.

Both games are great at what they do. I don't get why everyone can't just leave it at that and let it be. Although, as big a Forza (and GT) fan that I am, Turn 10 were pretty arrogant with their whole definitive shtick before Forza 3 hit retail.

This time around they have been pretty quiet and focused mainly on their own product. I have GT5 and Forza 3 and I am looking forward to Forza 4. The demo is pretty sweet but I am also looking forward to spec 2.0 (GT5A) as well. <- Again, best of both worlds.
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SoapShoes  +   1330d ago
A sensible post?! FINALLY!!!
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smokinskull  +   1330d ago
From a personal opinion I think GT devs need to try new ideas. I enjoy GT5 but not much has changed since the PS1 days, I played forza 3 thought it was ok, but I seriously think PD have to do something different
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Godmars290  +   1330d ago
Again, its something that Trun 10 started.

It cold have just been about making the best game that they could, but Turn 10 has introduced a pointless rivalry.
THC CELL  +   1330d ago
Turn 10 are not worth my money after what they said last time. Gt5 is way bigger than forza. Did not think much to the demo but least I tryed it
Jocosta  +   1330d ago
I was on the fence about buying Forza 4 until I tried the demo, the handling is great, even when I turned off skid control and all the other "assists", and the graphics are head and shoulders above any other racing game I have played.
Dante112  +   1330d ago
Lol, I played the demo and I gotta say, I still enjoy GT5 more. Hate having to turn off auto brakes or steering assist everytime I play and when I do that the cars just don't handle right.

Edit: @ 402

How can GT5 be such a disappointment and failure when it sold over 6 million copies and is still selling to this date ranging in the top 100 of both the UK amazon and US amazon sites? Why are people still buying it?
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xtreampro  +   1330d ago
It sold 6 million because of the franchises history and because it says "Gran Turismo" on the box. Six million were sold but about four million were sent back, one million are gathering dust and the remaining one million copies are actually being used.

I myself like every other PS3 fanboy hyped up GT5 to death and it was one of my most anticipated games this gen, but it turned out to be the biggest disappointment this gen.
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Prophet-Gamer  +   1330d ago
You got any facts to back those claims xtrempro or are just just talking pure bs?
munish23  +   1330d ago
Its a demo, it won't remember you turned off the assists. In the full game you set your preferences and turn off the assists, and it will stay that way.
kaveti6616  +   1330d ago
"Hate having to turn off auto brakes or steering assist everytime I play and when I do that the cars just don't handle right."

Most people who have the opportunity to drive those cars in real life don't play these video games.

I doubt you know how these cars handle. I'm pretty sure that Dan Greenwalt, who owns a Ferrari 450 and a BMW M5, knows a lot more about how cars handle than you do.

And since the only major graphical change to Forza 4 from 3 was IBL, it stands to reason that Turn 10 has put in a lot work to make sure the cars handle correctly.
SoapShoes  +   1330d ago
Guess you haven't played GT5 then huh? lol It has good graphics but it isn't head and shoulders above anything.
Jocosta  +   1330d ago
Uh, most of my comment was about gameplay dumb dumb.
MrBeatdown  +   1330d ago


"the GRAPHICS are head and shoulders above any other racing game I have played"
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Silly gameAr  +   1330d ago

I'm not a GT fan and I wasn't really trolling. Forza has a long way to go. Sorry to see you guys are so sensitive about this. I'm glad something woke the mods up though.
Aloren  +   1330d ago
What makes you say that ?
Forza 3 got a better metacritic score, and it sold 5 million, vs 6.5 for GT5. I really don't see how forza has "a long way to go".
Check Forza 1 vs GT4. Back then, they had a long way to go...

This would be like saying Uncharted has a long way to go to compete with gears, just cause gears sold a million more, and in spite of uncharted having generally better reviews.

Eu  +   1330d ago
The meta score is quite an instrument...I can make a POS site and post an revie (yeah right) and trow the basic score down the drain....Forza is geting better alright, but to compare with what GT acomplished trough the years? Its just not right.

And lets not forget that this has been the most hatefull generation ever...EVERYONE and their grans/dogs and such were out to bash Sony and its IPs...GT being the biggest of them all just got the stick at the time.
Aloren  +   1330d ago
Why is that not right ? Do you think you cannot compare Battlefield 3 to duke nukem forever because of what duke has accomplished in the past ? Do you think you cannot compare Mass Effect to Star Wars just cause star wars is 30 years older ?

GT may be more popular, but the difference is not as big as you think...

Also, you should relax, there's no metacritic conspiration against sony. It's been a very hateful generations indeed, but so far, sony fans are not especially nicer than the others...
SoapShoes  +   1330d ago
Well have you thought that maybe people just like GT5? It is better than all of the previous GT games and while it isn't perfect it still was the best sim racer on consoles. Forza 4 will be great and a fine addition to the genre but GT5 still holds its own.

There were people disappointed but only the people who thought it would be perfect. The fact that GT5 still keeps selling(it is still in the UK top 10) shows that people like it and the fanboy B.S. hate that is spewed here towards GT5 is out of touch with reality.
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iamgoatman  +   1330d ago
"the fanboy B.S. hate that is spewed here towards GT5 is out of touch with reality."

Ha! Obviously you haven't seen the state of Forza articles if you think GT5 is getting an unfair share of criticism.
SoapShoes  +   1329d ago
Who cares? I was talking about GT5. I'm sure Forza is getting a bunch of crap as well but on the subject of GT5 it is totally B.S. and unjust.
Number_13  +   1330d ago
It did just get a budget price cut. Just sayin
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EazyC  +   1330d ago
All the cars have interior view? Me=jealous. GT5's "premium" setup was bullish***. 200 awesome looking cars and then the 800 odd rest of them were turds. Even if the car interiors were only mediocrely detailed and every car had interior view, it would still be better. Hopefully Spec II will mean something like this.

I noticed a lack of SUV's is annoying too. You get some Audi concept SUV crossover thing and that's it... Oh, and some sports trucks...
cstyle  +   1330d ago
Forza is the superior game. I was a bit disappointed with GT5.
doctorstrange  +   1330d ago | Interesting
Quite different games
If you can, get both
2pacalypsenow  +   1330d ago
Im a Gran Turismo Fan And i Enjoy Both Forza And GT5 GT5 a little more But forza is fun too not as realistic but still fun
FordGTGuy  +   1330d ago
Sorry but after playing the demo of Forza 4, GT5 is not more realistic than Forza 4.
2pacalypsenow  +   1330d ago
i havent played the forza 4 demo also the graphics of GT5(premium cars are unmatched) but i was comparing forza 3 to GT5 and with the new Spec II update on GT5 it could stay the same as GT5 being the king of console simulators
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FordGTGuy  +   1330d ago
Why in the hell are you comparing it to Forza 3 when Forza 4 comes out in a week?!
Dante112  +   1330d ago
@ FordGTGuy

Come on, there's nothing realistic about Forza 4's auto braking and steering assist features.
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Number_13  +   1330d ago
@Dante then turn them off. . .it is a game after all. I mean if you really want to talk realistic, why not talk about damage that only kicks in at level 40? Why stop there? If you really wanna talk realistic, how about we really get ridiculous and start asking how a 24 year old marketing manager owns and races over 200 cars in his spare time. . .since we being realistic and all.
It's a freaking game!
SignifiedSix  +   1330d ago
All you kids need to stop fighting over stupid sh*t. Its annoying. You guys wanna play a real racing sim, play GTR2 on the pc, or IRacing. They both blow Forza/GT5 out of the water in terms of realism.


FordGTGuy  +   1330d ago
You do realize that those games can afford to be that realistic because they only simulate a few cars with no upgrades whatsoever. If either of them tried to have 500-1000 cars with a full upgrade system they wouldn't be as realistic as they are.

So in reality going around boasting is pretty stupid as everyone knows how unlikely it would be to get a game like GT5 or Forza 4 to be as realistic as a game with 1-10% of the cars in comparison.
SignifiedSix  +   1330d ago
A few cars? Is that why there's 500+ cars on GTR2? Is that why IRacing has NASCAR, indycars, sports cars and grand prix racing? That sounds like a lot of content to me. You don't have to have "upgrades". That's not what makes a "sim", a sim. Forza or GT will never touch the real world physics of these games, ever.
FordGTGuy  +   1330d ago
You mean community made cars? Cars that most likely cannot be realistic as they were not built off of actual experience of the car itself?

Upgrades are a big part of Sim because guess what YOU CAN UPGRADE CARS IN REAL LIFE?!

BTW look up the definition of a simulation.

On a side note most of those cars were most likely no dynoed for sound or have anyway near the graphical fidelity of Forza 4.
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kaveti6616  +   1330d ago
"Upgrades are a big part of Sim because guess what YOU CAN UPGRADE CARS IN REAL LIFE?!"

There's a lot of things you can do with cars in real life that you can't do in GT5 or Forza 4.

The PC sims are superior sims. They may not have better graphics, but in terms of simulating the real word mechanics of the vehicles, they are superior to the console games.
FordGTGuy  +   1330d ago

So it's more realistic to have less things in common in real life than more?

also like I already said it's way easy to be realistic to certain cars even more so race cars than the amount and type of cars in Forza and GT.
kaveti6616  +   1330d ago
Listen, I don't know if there's something mentally wrong with you or not, but you don't seem to understand what it means to be a good simulator.

You bring in irrelevant points about car variety and the ability to upgrade and what not, while all the while firmly convinced that a console game which has incomplete physics variables can possibly compete against well-established PC racing sims.

A PC sim that can simulate the real-world physics of even twenty vehicles is still a better sim than either Forza 4 or Gran Turismo 5, because no matter how much PD and Turn 10 try to polish their games, they're not working with the right hardware to reflect reality. They can't do it. They come close considering, but they can't compete against the PC sims.
munish23  +   1330d ago
I played the demo, and couldn't stop. I set up my racing wheel, and it is so much better than Forza 3 in terms of feel. I can't wait til next week, so excited.
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mayberry  +   1330d ago
Kazunori Yamauchi did'nt even think anyone would buy gt1 in 1997! no one had done a "sim" for a "kids" game consol before! His love for cars drove him to "just do it" make or break! Turn ten owes polyphony digital for starting this thing "we" love! So, yes, there is a one sided rivalry, I think. On a side note, GT5 is an awesome, deep, automobile showcase sim, that although has(had) some diapointments (even) from myself, Is a car lovers pinnacle sim atm!
showtimefolks  +   1330d ago
Who cares just enjoy bOth
I am sure gt5 learned a few things from forza 3 maybe not allot but some things I am sure. And now forza 4 should improve on what gt5 did right. Competition is good. GT's brand name is just much much bigger just because of how long the series has existed. Turn 10 should just make games we never hear PD talking about anyone so leave PD out of this
XabiDaChosenOne  +   1330d ago
One is half arcade half sim, the other is a full sim. No competition.
DiRtY  +   1330d ago
GT 5 would have been rated as an AAA game if Forza didn't raised the bar with Forza 3.

The last time a GT game was rated above 90 on metacritic was more than 10 years ago. I don't care much about reviews at all, but the overall reaction to GT 5 was more or less disappointing.

Forza gained some ground this generation. No Forza Motorsport game ever scored below 90 on metacritic and the reactions were mostly positive.
Eu  +   1330d ago
If people had actually spend some effort to play the game and this gen wasnt about bashing Sony all around I could agree with you...but GT5 IS a better game all around than Forza 3 and the sites didnt want to say it because it would kill their previous statement with F3...
felonycarclub  +   1330d ago
i would love to talk crap about forza 4 because am all about gran turismo and sony lol but these pc guys just pissed me the hell off, someone needs to tell them to stay off any topics that have to do with consoles, we can talk crap to each other because we are competing against each other, its like a friendly sport, but our biggest enemy has always been the pc guys which look down on us every time they get a game, thats like 1 every 6 months, lmfao they just jealous of our games.
Too_many_games  +   1330d ago
Forza 3>Gran..loading..loading..T urismo..loading..loading..5
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nolifeking  +   1330d ago
Rivalries tend to be mutual, so make of that what you will/
Tommykrem  +   1330d ago
My thought as well. Turn 10 seems to be the only studio that acknowledges the rivalry.
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