OXM UK: "Final Fantasy Versus XIII is coming to Xbox 360. Believe it. PlayStation's grasp on the glittering jewel of Japanese role-playing franchises has been gradually eroded over the past half-decade, with first Final Fantasy XIII then its sequel quietly exiting Sony's party. Versus XIII is supposedly the last bastion, the final defensive ring, but word on the ground says otherwise."
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It's from Official Xbox Magazine.com
The likelihood of a 360 version is not 0% so I'm not going to rule it out personally. However, if a 360 version is released on or close to the release of the PS3 version, we will then know that it was once again THAT version that delayed the release of an FF game and exactly who to blame for it. Wada and MS' anti-competition clauses.
Revenues are way down; what do we do!
I know, I'll take a popular game, write an inflammatory article about it, cause a flame-war for hits and problem solved!
Best thing is, I can write the exact same thing in 6 months again!
that they are not getting any exclusives.
at this point i dont give a crap if it goes mulitplat, im not going to buy it either way.
they probably working on x360 version at the moment and will release both at the same time. thats why its taking forever to get released.
this could also be why we dont hear any news on it. instead its all ff13-2.
SE leting go of their userbase is what screwed FF name this gen...praticaly everyone that is interested in this game and have hopes for it is a PS3 owner. If it goes multi, and it end being another FFXIII screw up (I like the game by the way, just saying what the majority of the fanbase says), Wada is either geting a boot out or SE is going bankrupt this time over....lots of hopes going on this game....
1.The Kotaku stated ad from SE for someone with PS3/360 experience is normal. Sony First party devs also hire ppl with 360 experience, that is nothing out of the ordinary. And if you look at the wording, it doesn't sound like they were really pushing that fact, if they were we would see them specify for it. It was more like a "We need someone with PS3 exp but we will settle for 360".
2. The game is being designed as a PS3 exclusive as far as Tetsuya is concerned. You can tote the "fantasy" that going mp won't change the game and will boost sales but you would be wrong. We all know of the multiple disc debacle for 360 and how the idea of a game being on both HD consoles keeps them from having MORE content on disc. We have heard of MS's anti competition clauses that impede games(FFXIII,RAGE,LA Noire,Battlefield) and from what we know this game is asking, 360 will assuredly crush it. As for sales, explain to me why FFXIII sold less on a 2console base than previous on one? Because the userbase doesn't matter when the FANBASE lies elsewhere, (see Monsterhunter on Wii in comparison to PSP, or Star Ocean on 360). If FF Versus XIII is to release as an exclusive, it will sell just as well if not better than FFXIII Multiplat on PS3 alone because the FF fanbase resonates with Playstation and it has for decades.
Things that point out of Exclusive's favor...
1.Yoichi Wada: the bane of Square Enix's existance. He has ruined them at every turn and rushed key products before they were ready, effectively sending them to die. Not to mention allowed rediculously long dev times without regular updates due to him spreading SE so thin. It will be his money grubbing say that makes Versus go Multi
2.Microsoft's ultimate goal is to destroy the PS brand name sake. The more games they brought to 360 that were originally exclusive, the more they tarnish the PS name later on. They would pay immeasurable money for this.
3.Super quiet on Versus front. No new trailer in a year, which the last wasn't really all that new to begin with. If anyone remembers correctly, FFXIII got quiet right around the time MS was handing SE that check to make it MP and they pretended as if it was a new development but it had been started already, anyone with common sense can see.
4. Third Party complete abandonment as exclusive game creators(without monetary consent). Gaming has finally become one step closer to the movie industry, soulless.
We will all just have to wait and see what happens nxt from here.
360 fanboys need to realize that the 360 DID in fact negatively impact FFXIII. Those who played the Japanese Advent Children Demo will know this. The games Graphics took a massive hit and the 360 version of the game was sub HD and had extremely compressed and tinny Audio. The 360 basically changed what FFXIII was intended to be. Would the game have been great had it stayed PS3 exclusive? No it was clear it had it's issue regardless of platform(although I still enjoyed it) But it would have been a much more solid and much more polished game(again the Advent Children demo confirms as much)
Nomura is pushing the PS3 to it's limits with 360. From the small amount of in game footage we have seen we can tell that graphically it's miles ahead of XIII and if XIII took a hit from going to the 360 then VS certainly would be destroyed by doing such. On top of the fact that the PS3 version of FFXIII outsold the 360 version by like 3 to 1 with almost no advertising. It's clear where the market for the game will be and making the best game they can make instead of gimping it with a MP release is the right way to go. If Wada can't see that he is a moron(which we all know is the case anyway)
THAT alone show that a 360 version can't be done ATM
"explain to me why FFXIII sold less on a 2console base than previous on one? Because the userbase doesn't matter when the FANBASE lies elsewhere"
ahh...it is a multiplatform game and IF fanbase resonate with ps3 only, well they can still get it. If it is on x360 only then i can see the point, but it isn't.
".Microsoft's ultimate goal is to destroy the PS brand name sake. The more games they brought to 360 that were originally exclusive, the more they tarnish the PS name later on"
1. ah...do u know anything about business and competition? Do u think Sony doesn't want to bring as many games as possible to their console? Same with MS.
2. Developers going multiplatform because of money. The more the better. If Sony is dominant like they used to be "70-80% market share", then 3rd party staying exclusives might be a good idea, but they aren't. What is Sony gaming market share right now?
3. Give me one good reason why 3rd party developers should stay exclusives if they want to make more money?
SE would almost be stupid not to release it on the Xbox 360. It's just business 101.
I am not saying whether MS's tactics are right or wrong, was just saying that is what they are trying to do, simple fact.
And as far as MP goes there is not a single MP game that existed before this gen as an exclusive that all of a sudden sells more as a MP game. They sell just about the same ore LESS! I am simply saying the idea that a game needs to sell on as many consoles as possible in order to get sales period is false propaganda brought in by MS because they wanted what the 3rd parties were offering Sony exclusively. That is why MGS4 sold just as much as older MGS games on PS3(40million) as they did on Ps2(140million). This proves its not about how many a console's userbase has, its about where the "fanbase" of that particular game is.
Best believe if FFXIII was exclusive, all 6mill sold would have been on PS3, because that is where the fanbase lies. This gen has lost the strongest reasoning to buying all consoles, the exclusives(that utilize the hardware to the fullest). Now many just went for the cheapest...
***This proves its not about how many a console's userbase has, its about where the "fanbase" of that particular game is.***
So basically your claim boils down to:
a) games are only bought by fans
b) having a bigger user base doesn't help sales
Whatever you do for a living, I sure hope it isn't business management!
And no, exclusive in japan does not = exclusive, exclusive worldwide and not for a limited time either.
I think the fear stems from people blaming the 360 for XIII's shortcomings. But in reality, XIII would have had the same story, gameplay, characters, etc. whether exclusive or not.
Then again, we won't know till the game comes out and who even knows if it's gonna come out at all, lol.
good let every one play
but as long the ps3 version have every thing and nothing cut from it or gimped down then i'm good
they can make it on 6 dvd's on xbox
i don't care
It would be great if it went to the Xbox360 without damaging the game but because of the X360's disc limitations a lot of content would have to be cut out and dumbed down thanks to Microsofts Multiplat policies. SE themselves said in an interview that they had to cut out so much content from FFXIII that they could have made another game with it and they did - Final Fantasy XIII-2. Basically they took the left overs from FFXIII and made it into another game, that explains why development time for FFXIII -2 was so fast.
Both companies are Japanese and both companies have a good friendship.
They don't know what conversations these two companies have together. For all we know a deal has already been put into place. Sony could have said look yous owe us such and such from our shares in your company so give us exclusivity on FFV13 and we'll call it quit.
I mean deals like this are made everyday in the world. How many third party developers could have gone multiplat with an exclusive which would open it up to more sales but they chose to stay exclusive.
Also FFV13 is a long time in development. Sony could have had a contract that was writen at the start of this generation.
This is the MGS4 is coming to Xbox shit happening all over again.
P.S. Is your username "legion", hinting at Mass Effect? I played ME2 on the PS3, and it was a great game. There were some weak areas, but I'm glad multi-plat titles exist. I'm not glad that companies like Microsoft take multi-plat titles and dump millions on them to keep them exclusive for 1 year. It does nothing to aid the industry. Not to mention their horrid business practices of forcing devs to agree to terms that would see other consoles get gimped, because Microsoft happens to have a terrible hardware setup in their 360.
creator is Tetsuya Nomura, Creator of Kingdom hearts and world ends with you.
Open world, vehicles, airships, Kingdom hearts style gameplay, swap characters on fly, main character has multiple weapon types, teleports at will, blood, battle transitions, interactive enviroments, real time weather etc etc. the game is a beast
Here is the translated SE job hiring link that Kotaku is linking btw:
http://translate.google.com...
I don't think FF will cause SE's downfall. We gamers are a forgiving bunch when it comes to our beloved titles."
Yeah I guess that's true. I really doubt Square Enix will be going anywhere, I just thought it would be very ironic since the game franchise that spurd Squares success is really giving them a lot of agro lately.
Also... Any one else remember 2 years ago when Naughty Dog posted a job listing for someone with PS3 & 360 experience and that article shot up to like 1300 degrees in 10 minutes?
Why cant anyone just wait for an Official announcement instead of all of this opinions and rumors making them get all upset.
FF13vs is still a PS3 exclusive until its announced otherwise stop your crying
I just dont care about Final Fantasy anymore.
This isn't a typical "square" game. It's a nomura game. I don't think his soul is up for grabs. If it was he would have cashed in a long time ago and wouldn't even care to take as much time with Versus as he is.
Nothing's going to make him cave. These articles full of denial and spite are just going to have to fall on deaf ears.
http://andriasang.com/comy9...
And really, a good game would sell more than a multi.
Here are my reasons disproving those reasons
1) Uncharted asked for 360 experience. Mario galaxy wanted hd console experience. Enough said. Job postings mean nothing.
2) The ps3 version of 13 outsold it at least 6-1, making the 360 version not worth the cost it takes to manufacture
3) They wont sell dlc if the 360 version does shitty
Hmm no, it didn't. It outsold the 360 version 2.5-1 including japan, and 1.5-1 excluding japan. If you think it was not worth for square to sell 1.8 million FF13 on 360, you're ...well, wrong.
EDIT : no need to disagree. That's common sense. It was just as worth for Bioware to release mass effect 2 on PS3, even one year later and with only half a million sales, or for bethesda to release Oblivion (or for Rockstar to release GTA on both platforms and so on).
Well actually it depends.
What if they made 60 million off the 360, but it cost them 120 million to produce said version? Then they would have actually lost money. So you can't just say it was worth it because they sold some extra copies.
The financial success of any given product is heavily dependent on what it cost to produce said product. (selling 5 million is good, unless you need 7 million to break even.)
That being said, I'm not against XIII being on the 360. But it's not as simple as "well, they sold that extra million."
2 million additional sales is good news for any developer...
I'm well aware that it (most likely) didn't cost that much. It was a hypothetical example. I actually meant to make that clear in the original post. (but I obviously forget).
The numbers don't really matter here, it's the idea that's important.
All I'm saying is that we shouldn't assume it was or wasn't a success based off the sales alone. There are more factors involved then just that.
Worse Game = lower review scores = lower sales.
1. The Versus team is hiring people with Xbox 360 credits
The job listing says "PS3 package title experience as necessary, "or otherwise an Xbox 360 package title. Their looking first and formost for someone with PS3 experience not straight up hiring someone with the 360 experience.
2.They'll sell more copies that way
This is true but if they lower the quality to make it multiplatform and reviews are average then that could make it worse. After XIII and XIV people are skeptical over any new FF game released.
4. Xbox 360 players are steeped in the Final Fantasy XIII universe
Yes because its confirmed all 2 million 360 buyers loved the game.
5. Crystal Tools is a multiplatform engine
"Versus XIII has its own action game-oriented engine. The lightning tech from Luminous is being coupled with this for Versus XIII.
Nomura describes Luminous as an excellent engine that can be used with any game. The Versus XIII engine, on the other hand, is strong in specific areas, but is not a general purpose engine."
http://andriasang.com/comy9...
6. Sony won't pay up to keep it exclusive
It's not just up to sony. I don't think Nomura himself wants it to be multiplatform but hey MS got money to spend but is the money worth reducing the games quality for a platform where Jrpg's dosen't even sell that well? Stay tuned.
You know.. I feel like shit giving this site a click. Normally I wouldn't care but damn.. :S