With OnLive launching in the UK yesterday, can cloud gaming via OnLive compete with Xbox and PS3 or future consoles.
Not unless Onlive can produce quality first party exclusive games. There are too many problems with onlive; 1) If Onlive fails and the company closes then your games will be gone. 2) No real sense of ownership, even when you buy a game there is usually a limit of 2-3 years before it becomes unavailable to play. 3) If their servers go down you can't play anything. 4) Membership might not be free in the future, if you buy a game right now you may have to subscribe in the future to play it.
you beat me to it. exclusives make the console.
Exactly. They are offering very little. Its plays like a console because of the controller but consoles cost £200 ish now. It just offering the multiplats. A Ps3 or 360 has an exclusive libary of games that attract people to this system. It can't compete. I would also add internet speed stability. You can still play the game but the resolution drops. Cloud based gaming is in early stages because the internet infrastructure isnt good enough
You basically said everything I wanted to say. But I'd also to add to #1 because this company is new while Sony and MS have proven themselves not to be going anywhere anytime soon. I forget the actual numbers but the majority of new businesses end up failing in the first couple of years.
50% fails the first year.
I think you forgot one major point, probably the most improtant....they can't compete unless they offer lag free gaming. There is still a VERY noticeable delay in movement on controller to movement on the screen.
I was just playing Dirt3 and Hitman Blood Money and there was noticeable controller to screen movement for me. It did glitch out once or twice but otherwise all was good. I can see this type of thing taking off if MS or Sony get into the streaming side of things.
Nope you've got no content of your own , CURRENTLY display things worse than consoles , and aint even trying to be a profitable venture yet anyway . Just being bait to be purchased by a bigger shark , an then making some nice profit from the sale
Is this a joke? Of course it cant. 1) Its not competing now, in the regions its out for 2) You dont own the games, you borrow them, and then in 2 -3 years they are gone forever, and what are you left with? 3) No exclusive games 4) Terrible quality ect
I think if maybe it had more games it could compete. It's definitely not something for me, though.
Onlive is stuck in the middle. It can't compete with the console market because of the lack of first party studios. It can't compete with PC market because what PC gamer wants to play at 720p or even lower with a lower connection ? I don't see it having big future. MS, Nintendo, Sony are the only true companies who could pull of cloud gaming simply because of amazing support and there first party studios and there fanbase.
Does it play Uncharted ?
I think most of you are missing the point. If you use OnLive, you will never have to buy a new console ever again. So you can enjoy the latest games without having to go out and buy the latest tech. Sure, until the internet catches up it is limited. However, in the UK there is currently a national broadband network upgrade being rolled out by BT. with a 20mb broaband connection, I am sure full 1080 HD display is possible. All games being released on PC will be availabale on OnLive, as Onlive is PC Based, and PC sales have been doing well recently, thanks to the ability to produce a better gaming experience than consoles. Once EA jumps onboard and we see COD on there, there will be little reason to purchase a console, Except for Exclusives. However, Xbox has very few exclusives and sells well still. Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft will not be able to compete with OnLive in the future unless they too switch to Cloud gaming.
You will be lovig in your dream world for a while.. To improve the internet infrastruce new cables need to be layed. This is not only costly but time consuming. Its just not feesible now or even in ten years. Onlive is competition for the PC market but like just mentioned the infrastructure is not there. You may only to buy one box but it is not offering competition because it doesn't do it well (dependent on internet speeds and cost-no one has unlimited internet usage there is a cap) no exclusives at all. I can bet you cloud gaming will not take off anytime soon because it is costly to impliment. The widespread nature of the internet is surpisigly weak. A lot in the uk do not have broadband. This type of gaming os way to premature
you're missing other people's points . PC gaming ≠ console gaming , however hard authors try to hammer otherwise . They've got a shared pool of games indeed , but also their own set of games , not even all exclusive to one particular console , but still console or pc only bound . Onlive doesnt have access to that , those games that still sell clearly well and yet a mostly console based . Not to mention first party exclusives obviously . There is your reason to buy a console already . Do not try to dismiss it , it is important . Or there would be no need for any console market , as people cearly knows they could just get instead cheap pcs , laptops , tablets or simply use mobile phone gaming . - It's stuck in a market that isnt even demanding its existence yet . PC gamer usually are about being better perf wise .. Onlive is at odds with that idea 1080p or not . -It's customer base can't stand drm , and they are supposed to accept the biggest drm of existence yet ? -What about modding ? Can it even exist in such conditions -Piracy is cheaper than Onlive and more rewarding . "Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft will not be able to compete with OnLive in the future unless they too switch to Cloud gaming. " That's the thing . Most arent denying the probabiity of it . Onlive problem still remains , no interesting content of their own , pc or consoles . It becomes them a bet between Any top dog simply buying out onlive for their own content , or them being greedy enough to further add cloud gaming into their already existing ( with most likely plans from this eons ago)services . Microsoft has been sining the "let's cloud along" tune for a while . Do ou believe they wasted their time building the huge xbl system the past decade to let it rot and have everyone go to onlive ? Nope "Once EA jumps onboard " EA jumps everywhere . Remember the ngage ? And EA just launched Origins with plans of their owns too , and could just be yet another potential Onlive buyer . .
Onlive is like any other console/pc where production companys will decide to make games for the platform when they see it is selling. Who is to say that OnLive won't have exclusives in the future? It is in its infancy, and the platform solves many problems facing the already established competition. Sony and Microsoft made a loss on their console sales. they cost more to make than they got back from sales, at the beginning anyway. It costs money to print games onto a physical media. We have already seen the big companies trying to promote downloadable games on their online services, cloud gaming is simply going the next step. I admit, until I see a bigger catalogue of games on the system, I will hold off. However, I predict that OnLive will be huge in 2 years time, when BT's roll out of superfast broadband in the UK is in full swing. Cloud gaming will unify all developers, and solve the issue of having to upgrade the tech after 3 years. Let's be honest, taking BF3 as an example, the pc version is better than console because while consoles have stagnated over the last 5 years (hardware wise) the pc has developed. OnLive is basically a load of PCs with top end kit. Take the loyality hats off to you chosen big three, and think about it. Would you prefer to have one bit of kit that will last you for 10+ years providing tope end games or a console which feels dated after 3?
One thing straight . i'm not loyal to anyone except games and gaming genres . I have those i like wich Onlive can't provide . That's all . Nothing even hints at Onlive becoming a threat making them fold and releasing their software on it period . Take of your hats and stop pretending mario is going to go bankrupt anytime soon or that i said anything about a cloudless future .. The absolute top franchises bare a few and pc games , are in the hands , directly or not of consoles constructors . As long as its there and successful , it's their move with consoles remaining as is or as cloud terminals of their own . "Sony and Microsoft made a loss on their console sales" Wich they recoup anyway on software and pushing other products . But it seems clear their wont push the same way as before in the weapon race . Onlive is on the other hand only losing money . It is a fact . Like competitors like David perry stated , and a few others , they aint even trying to have a sustainable model , but most likely sit there being pretty ahd hopeful about some buy out Wich could easily be one of the consoles constructors if they feel it worth it . "Would you prefer to have one bit of kit that will last you for 10+ years providing tope end games or a console which feels dated after 3? " A simple example then . Only a few cares about the tech involved in a mario game , most care about said mario game period . If it was a matter of raw power , consoles would be already gone since the ps1-ps2 days . people follow the software not the hardware . At least a substantial amount of people do . Onlive is going reverse and doing tech without anything else yet . Not the best move tired of going circles there . Let's end it there .
But I have yet to see a single 1 in any store. You know why? Because it's LOCKED OUT of retail. Neither Walmart or Best Buys will stock it....they won't even allow the thing in their parking lots. lol Seriously though, without retail support, I see ZERO chance of success for their console version. And if you understand THE RAZOR BLADE BUSINESS MODEL, then you should fully understand why Retail will continue to shun Onlive's console.
Could this be some common ground between Xbox and PS3 fans? Kind of like The Covenant and UNSC teaming up to beat The Flood.
With PS3? are u crazy?
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It needs to get released all over the world, have a good price and some great exclusives to compete with PS3/360.
I don't understand the business model, so I don't trust it. Too many questions and the only answers amount to: "It's magic!" It would make sense as an all-you-can-eat Netflix style service, but I can't imagine devs and publishers would support such a model, rendering it irrelevant.
just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it won;t work. Devs and publishers will love this model, as all they have to do is make the game and then hand it over. No expendature on printing the games to a media, just advertising, and OnLive will help this too as it allows people to view other people playing the game and 30 min demos. How often do you look at gameplay footage on youtube before buying a game? I do it all the time. People just need to open up their eyes to it. who would have thought facebook or google would be the biggest Internet commodities after such a short time?
I never said it didn't work and if it does all the power to them. Personally, I don't get it. They must have massive overhead running those data centers but somehow don't charge for the service and only charge the same price for the games. As a consumer, its hard to justify paying the same price for a game you cannot backup in any way. That may seem like a convenience to some but to me it just makes me uneasy. Eventually I have to imagine it will become a subscription service again but that will put a fee between me and the content I supposedly own. And if it goes under, all your content goes with it. I'm not willing to take that gamble. And if that perception is pervasive enough, the service will inevitably fail and supporters will lose big. Maybe if they were more transparent about it, they could earn my trust. But as it stands, I just don't get it.
I will let you know once I get past the UDP errors.
Yes in 10 years when broadband speeds are much much higher and affordable. But, game file sizes will probably skyrocket as well.....so no it can never compete.
After reading this I decided to Download Onlive myself to see exactly how it felt. (Figured I'd test out a few demo's on my shitty laptop) however when connecting I keep getting disconnect due to Hig Latency and drop outs in my connection. I have 5mbps and the min is recommended is 5mbps. Am I unable to connect because I am in Trinidad and it's only available in UK and USA?
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