Jim Sterling, "How corporations have ruined console gaming but made PC gaming that much better!"
wait a sec......can i play lbp, gears 3, uncharted series, gow series, GT series, forza series, demon souls on pc. No disrespect to pc gaming but i think pc gaming is being gimped by consoles. When was the last time a goty was on PC. slow the ef down Pandamobile my response is to this 'Consoles Have Just Become Sh*tty PCs' now of course theres great pc games who said there wasnt but i have my preference and the sh*tty pc consoles have had a few gotys on em. If some of those were exclusive to pc you could say whatever you like but there hasnt been one according to the console preferring media. You just come across as a sensitive pc ass. ¬_¬ did you even read the part i said i think pc gaming is being gimped by consoles. So many devs shifting focus NOT ALL buy many are putting more resources into console counterparts which may not have existed a gen ago if you know what i mean...chill the ef out
Pretty much every "GOTY" in the last 5 years has been a multiplatform game with a PC version. Then you go and name a bunch of games made/published either by the platform holder themselves, or a Japanese company. Can I play games like LBP, Uncharted and Demon Souls on my PC? No. That's why I have a PS3 sitting downstairs. Can you play games like League of Legends, Team Fortress 2, Starcraft 2 and Civ 5 on your PS3? No you can't. Stop acting like you need a console to play good games, cus you just come off sounding like a complete ass.
but you can play TF2 on PS3 i understand why you would say that you "cant" though, one terrible port
i dont think that what he told you . Its actually usually the other way around . It's a few pc users and authors that act as if the exclusives onsoles games are irrelevant and not good enough to be decisive . Just like pc got its own set of suitable titles with its fanbase , console games do too . Do you think it matters for say a jrpg fanatic that pc are more powerful and got the better version of multiplatforms with mods ? Nope not unless he wait for a few years for good emulation down the line . Likewise a rts or mmo fanatic might not give a crap about jrpgs or uncharted . Those article always works under the flawed premise that its the same "shit" allaround with the same titles for both . Not its not at all . There is a middle ground with a shared pool of multiplatform games , tha's it. Only for someone only picking up games from that shared pool , would picking up pc only for its obvious benefits (mods , better perf , with the option of playing the games with a pad on a couch JUST like consoles if you fancy that) , or a pc games only fan , be truly important . I happens to like both world . I still favor one , but that's solely based of my love for genres like jrpg and fighting games . Until some utopian machine got it all , both sides are vastly exagerating their superiority .
"Pretty much every "GOTY" in the last 5 years has been a multiplatform game with a PC version. " wait so you can play uncharted 2 or LBP1 on pc ? good to know /s
I would say that the entire RTS genre isn't represented on console. Actually, now that I think about it, pretty much any game with any amount of complexity isn't on console. Civilization, sim games, tycoon games etc
It seems why o why has struck a chord with the PC crowd, but it is the truth that he is stating.
LoL TF2 SC2 Civ 5 I can do without all of these games. I don't care about any of them. There are a lot of great PC games but not what you listed. Try again.
And I could easily live without LBP, Uncharted and whatever other console exclusive games there are. I've had my PS3 for over a year and 95% of its usage has been for Netflix, movies and music.
What about Red Dead Redemption....a multiplat GotY exclusive to consoles?? In the last five year majority of the GotY games have not been available on PC.....
GOTY is relative anyway. You can call your console game of the year Red Dead Redemption. I'll call my PC game of the year Star Craft 2. There's entity that chooses an overall game of the year.
Just responding to this statement "Pretty much every "GOTY" in the last 5 years has been a multiplatform game with a PC version." Which is 100% unequivocally WRONG
2006 - Oblivion, Twilight Princess, Gears of War. Two of the three had PC versions. 2007 - Orange Box, COD4, Bioshock. All had PC versions. 2008 - Fallout 3, Grand Theft Auto 4. Both had PC versions. 2009 - Uncharted 2. Can't argue with that. 2010 - Red Dead Redemption, Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 2 was on PC. 2011 - Year's not over yet, but I can assure you that a majority of the GOTY awards will be split among Portal 2, Uncharted 3 and Skyrim; two of which are on PC... So yeah, wanna tell me again that we don't get any game of the year games on PC?
"So yeah, wanna tell me again that we don't get any game of the year games on PC?" Maybe you arent responding to me, but i never made that claim, what I said was that majority of them are on consoles...and you have multiple games every year, every game that slaps GOTY on the box isnt Goty, whats your source? AIAS http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Game Developer Choice Awards http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... AIAS and Game Devs are a little more reputable IMHO, How about that? and that even helps you out as they had ME2 as 2010 Goty...but the amount of console titles on the list since 96', shows its not about power as much as it is about the devs behind the power. Consoles just give you a wide diverse range of games...not that PC doesnt but thats where it comes down to the Devs
"Pretty much every "GOTY" in the last 5 years has been a multiplatform game with a PC version" "GOTY is relative anyway" Relative when it's convenient apparently. And nice try completely omitting Halo 3 from your 2007 list.
I was just pilling through the large amalgam of GOTY crap on Wikipedia. Raiinstorm, the links you posted, From the GDCA, 6/10 of them were on PC. and from the AIAS, 9/14 were on PC. I don't even know what or who the hell I'm arguing about right now. Point is, there's way too many console kids who think good games don't exist on PCs. I'm just trying to add another perspective.
No need to be an ass about it man, maybe PC exclusives just are not for you. I have a need for SC2 just about every night, I can't exactly get that on my PS3. Though, I enjoy my PS3 as well, had a great time with God of War III and looking forward to the new Twisted Metal.
Urrrghh. Im not downplaying pc gaming im just highlighting some of the good games on so called sh*tty pc consoles and that all of this console gens goty have been on consoles. If the writter thinks that all consoles are crap pcs then i say where are its better versions of lbp, gears, uncharted etc. I sound defensive because i was responding to a baiting title whilst highlighting that its all about games. Ive nothing against pc gamers or gaming apart from when some of their fans downplay consoles and its games. Im sure some would say the same about console gamers too so dont get me wrong. Although consoles have become more and more like pcs or 'sh*tty' ones they still manage to get quality games on them that everybody with a console can play at the same level baring exclusivity. Apart from more efficent chips in the newer console skus there is no difference. The days of sticking a cartridge into a console, pressing on and playing a game within 15 seconds are almost dead. Handhelds are now what consoles used to be. Pc gaming has also borrowed from console but consoles have borrowed more from pcs. Cant hate the tech that helped consoles step up...can take issue with the elitists that think people cant laud another platforms strenghts...no offence but do i really have to name the great games for the platform that isnt being attacked just so some arent offended...really?
Consoles are just shitty PCs hardware wise, but exclusives is what defines a console the most and all of the consoles have a nice amount of exclusives except the Xbox360. BUT PC has more exclusives than all of these 3 consoles combined +emulators+steam discounts+superior multiplats+ better community+better servers+better performance+better graphics+ FREEDOM= THE ultimate gaming platform
"BUT PC has more exclusives than all of these 3 consoles combined." Yeah if you wanna count indie flash games and the like. "+emulators" Because I can't play my SNES, N64, PS1 etc.. right? "+steam discounts" Amazon discounts. "+superior multiplats" in visuals only. everything else is the same. "+better community" myth. see griefers, MMO trolls, restricted clans, level banning, class banning. etc... "+better servers" irrelevant considering servers are not platform specific they are either publisher/developer specific or individually specific. Has nothing to do with PC, everything to do with those in control of the servers. "+better performance" Non-universally. Better performance is rig specific. "+better graphics" Big deal. Still the same game. A game with sh*tty gameplay/story/characters that looks good is still a sh*tty game. "+FREEDOM" If you're talking mods, PS3 is opening the door to that on consoles so, irrelevant. Any other form of freedom is only in place because PC gaming is a lot easier for hackers and crackers to break open and do whatever they want. Trust that if PC devs had the ability to be as restrictive, they would be. "THE ultimate gaming platform" Doesn't exist yet.
Um u know that amazon discounts dont hold a candle to steam discounts right? if you are going to try and discount superior performance and visuals, then by your own logic the blu-ray format is a waste of time. The only thing that really sets it apart from dvd is higher resolution. while the difference from console to pc is 120fps vs. 30fps Ok cod gives you 60 at times sub 720p vs 1200p and 1600p limited to one screen vs. eyefinity, nvidia surround And ps3 opening its modding doors? The only game moddable on ps3 is ut3. u can point to what devs are saying but they are just saying and not doing. The fact remains that ut3 is all u got for modding. And having superior online gaming is irrelevent now? I guess u like host disconnects and p2p hosting where competitive gaming is tossed out the window due to the zero ping advantage. The ultimate gaming platform is here. But not made accessible to the casual gamer such as youself.
the only thing pc has is graphics. Consoles have more AAA exclusives and genres, a universal gaming os, a controller made for games and a fully integrated network with all your friends, trophies/achievements, store, and text/voice chat on every game. And you can do it all in front of your wide screen tv, comfortably leaned back in a chair, all with 7.1 surround sound. Im supposed to give that up just because high end pcs look a little better.
'Consoles have more AAA exclusives and genres' Not everyone cares about exclusives, games are games and pc gamers have access to far more games than console only gamers. And more genres of games, I'm not sure why you think consoles have more genres :/ 'a universal gaming os' Yeah,um,ok. If you think that even matters then I suppose that's some kind of positive. 'a controller made for games' Pc gamers can use a wide variety of controllers for gaming - M+K,joypads,joysticks,motion controllers,wheels,etc. More so than consoles gamers have access to. 'and a fully integrated network with all your friends, trophies/achievements, store, and text/voice chat on every game.' Ever heard of Steam? 'And you can do it all in front of your wide screen tv, comfortably leaned back in a chair, all with 7.1 surround sound.' And you can also do this with a pc. You also have modding, which is something you don't have on console, which adds a lot to games. A game you may have played a few years ago may be a bit long in the tooth, but with mods you can completely change the game, not just graphically but also gameplay wise. I have consoles because there are games on there that I do enjoy, but your argument that pc gaming is just about graphics is wrong, and the points you made are terrible.
Do we really need these articles everyday now. Just game where the hell you want. Just play games it is that simple. Peace.
The real problem is that many PC devs have moved over while not understanding that they're building under limited standards.
Did u forget that there's been an economic decline for a while? That's why devs are going multplatform, they want to gain as much money as they can.
I actually think I almost agree with this article. I do get fed up with installs and patches and updates on consoles, but I think next gen they'll have ironed out the kinks and everything will be stealthily pushed in the background and silently installed. I feel the biggest benefit of console gaming for gamers and the industry is that the platform holders basically have to invest enormas amounts of money into producing software in order to differnciate their platform. Which normal developers and publishers would have no need or desire for such financial risk taking and benefits the gamer by giving them killer exclusive games and also inpires and pushes on the standard of quality to be met by other developers and publishers
I wish the guy didn't need (or receive) the attention he obviously yearns for. First the Gears review drama he created (Cliff was joking) and now this. PC gaming has a space, a community and great games. Same goes for consoles.
Yawn. PC is greater then consoles article number 500, 250. What is it you people want?
Validation for all the money they spend on hardware so that they can get software that only looks better but essentially still is the same game, with the same story, same characters, and same gameplay.
This is a Jim Sterling article people, nothing to see here.
I was just about to say the same thing.
The title just screams "give me hits at any cost"
We need new consoles ASAP imo. Yeah, Uncharted looks amazing, but games like that are the exception rather than the rule. Bring on the next console generation I say.
not really . Some of you guys just keep transfering your need of poer for a gnre that could never deliver it . Next gen you'll be complaining all over again , as console will always lag behind in power , like they always did . Go tell instead devs and studios to stop messing around and trying to build identical versions of games , getting them to their lowest level . Instead of developping for pc and consoles on their own merits . It's the devs fault if they wanna fiddle along with nerfed pcs versions , not consoles
PC's becomes sh***y consoles.
Eh not really.
Naaaaah. They are trying with all those crap-arse console ports but the PC has it's OTHER games that make it Glorious!
it may be shitty pcs but atleast i can just buy a game, pop it in and play :) no hassles of "will it run" "i hope my graphics card can handle it" "hope i have enough ram". its hassle free gaming. no need to continually upgrade when every new game comes out. <before you guys start hating on me, people upgraded their pcs when oblivion came out, now i read 70% are upgrading for battlefield 3.> my ps3 will play both games smoothly. not bad for a shitty pc.
Wow, another "I need to feel good about my PC gaming so I'm going to bash consoles and stroke the ego of PC fanboys all for validation" article. In before a PC fanboy lists every part of his rig down to the last screw and denies the fact that all PC fanboys can actually talk about their games is that they look better but play the same.
You don't get firmware updates or mandatory installations on the 360, just sayin
Um, yeah you do get firmware updates. I'm sorry but that's the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time. The Dashboard wouldn't be what it is today if it wasn't for firmware updates. Wow.
Yeah but they come like once a year
Games journalism has just become a shitty hideout for people who should be unemployed
I agree on one thing about PC and that the games are easier to get and much much cheaper... wait, actually for nothing since I pirate pc games day 1. bwhahahaha XD Why pay for PC gaming when there's torrent?
I will always take consoles over PC ..I like laying on the sofa and enjoy games on my tv + exclusives
You can hook a PC up a TV, and lay on your sofa to enjoy games too, and PC's do have exclusive games... however I also pick console gaming, not because anything is wrong with PC gaming, I just like not having to worry about system requirements, my PC is an old bugger and I am too cheap to buy a new one. About this article, couldn't they have come up with a better, less insulting, title? I won't actually click on this site and read what they have to say, because the title put me off so much.
yeah, thats right - you buy a console and you are sure that all games will play on it equally like on others consoles.. you don't need to install directx, video drivers, dlls and other stuff...and you don't need to put more ram, cpu, gpu and other stuff..yes pc does have exclusives, but they don't appeal to me and if they do,there aren't many..
Just? thats not true. ultra spec pcs of 2005(with 2 high end gpus)are FAR more powerful than either console(about 2x the power) but consoles still have very good exclusives(which make up for the lower graphics quality) and at times get muiltiplats before pc
Take a look at the *minimum* spec for a PC to run BF3 -- it requires a 8800GT, to look as good as dedicated gaming hardware (PS3 or 360), which run on GPUs only about 1/3rd as powerful. As PC tech begins to slow down (which it is), consoles, being dedicated hardware, will eventually be held back by PCs and the awesomebloat that is Windows 9,10,11,whatever.
85% of all Battlefield 3 players will need to upgrade their PC's. Consoles for the win.
"It’s funny, but I used to think PC gamers had all the problems. What with games becoming obsolete upon the release of a new OS, the lack of extra support and new content that studios lavish on console games, and the ever-present problems with excessive digital rights management," this whole RANT is one big fat lie and i hate when writers make shite up! 1. New OS.......No game has ever been obsolete due to a new OS. the 1 or 2 that have problems will easily be fixed by switching OS compatibility with 4 mouse clicks. Game compatibility is FOREVER on the PC. 2. The lack of extra support and New Content...........you gotta be out your Vulcan mind!! Most PC DLC is FREE, old Games are still patched to improve performance, PC MP servers never close, and then PC Games get the royal MOD treatment adding hours of new gameplay or turning the game into a whole new experience. *Perfect Example* San Andreas on the PC has an online MP mod, BF3 PC 64 players etc etc. 3. DRM.......now this is not really an issue anymore as most Gamers use Steam and if not there's an "App" for that when it comes to Nasty DRM!! I just hate blatant lies about PC Gaming cause it only adds to the ignorance people spew about something they do not even play. and yeah consoles are low end PC's. PC's and consoles both get firmware updates, game patches, and several other like features.
From a thecnichal point, I agree with this guy. Yes, PC's are waaay more powerful and useful than a console. From a practical point, what this guy says doesnt make sense to the final user. PC gaming is ok, as long as you have the (sometimes excessive) ammount of money to get good pieces and stuff, so you can say "look how good it lloks and play". Other way, you'll be gettin outdated pretty quick. Consoles, while not as powerful, are far more stable to play games, have a better game library, and you can buy it once, and it'll be working for years. And that, for the final costumer, is the real prize.
PC has games? Im sorry I never really noticed and I dont really give a damn about Pc cuz consoles have and always will have the better games, better people, and better online!
better people? LOL, you are reflecting it :D
taijutsu, you poor undeveloped kid...
SMH. No. Better games? Better-running, yes indeed. But better games? LOL. We console-owners still can't get access to games that PC owners can get rather easily because of region-locking and console-manufacturers refusing to grant licences to AO-rated games. Better people? Maybe, but that's not saying much when they both share the same 15-34 male demographic. Better online (multiplayer)? You really showed your age on this one.
Yes better games=GOTY by online i was referring to the amount of people on consoles that DONT hack your crap because they are pissed off lil sh*ts!
get your lazy ass off the couch and learn how to build a pc. FYI : Consoles grow old, and new consoles come out. PC is flexible, and PC support old consoles by making emulators. Making them look better, and bigger. Therefore PC has every game in the book =)
Wouldn't be able to play all the wonderful indie games like amnesia or minecraft or even oblivion with all the wonderful mods and stuff on console because the console is limited locked crap that you really have no access too(see: other OS taken from the ps3) edit: not to mention without us PC gamers there wouldn't be a Battlefield
console games by far imo no upgrading just buy cd and play a shitty pc cnt even run angry birds without frame rate drasticly droping
hit him in the junk! hit him in the junk! was going to write something more relevant, but most people just want to talk about exclusives and GOTY. fuck it i can't say i am a big fan of Sterling, but i do think he has a pretty good point here. a point i have seen many PC and console gamers bring up. outside of exclusives, ease of use seem to be the biggest reason for people to stick with consoles over PC gaming....sorry stopped caring....wait i am back. lost it again.
isn't even trying with his troll articles anymore. Didn't click.
Like flies to a fly trap.
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