NowGamer: Uncharted has become the series it is today thanks to Sony feeling pressure from the success of Xbox with its 'gritty shooters', an ex-Naughty Dog developer has revealed.
Developers look at other games all the time, not really surprized. Least in the end it turned into a differen't game then a "gritty shooter" on the 360...where most of them are FPS Hell even Gears of War was shaped by Resident Evil 4, with the over the shoulder gameplay.
Who better than Naughty Dog themselves to know what shaped Uncharted. Sony said "Next gen starts when we say it does so" but ironically next gen started with Gears. Gears popularized the cover system and paved the way to a lot of games this gen it's pretty obvious. At least Naught Dog have the integrity to admit it. One of the coolest devs in the business me thinks.
"Sony said "Next gen starts when we say it does so" but ironically next gen started with Gears." Yeah...I can agree with that.
Just based on your disagrees count it's obvious that many people are still in denial. The truth can't be more clear than that!
Does it really matter who started it as long as we keep getting these great games???
"but ironically next gen started with Gears" They never specify Gears of War. Gears was hardly the first gritty successful shooter on the 360. And by the way ND words it, it sounds more aesthetics than anything else. People still claim that Uncharted: DF "ripped" off Gears of War because it was cover based, but do you really think they COMPLETELY changed everything in the year between Gears release and Uncharted's? Preposterous. Uncharted was pushed to being more realistic. Xbox shooters pushed a different setting. Whoop-de-doo. I don't care if Uncharted's setting was Magic Fairy Land if the gameplay were just as great and just as exponentially more fluid than what people compare it to.
"Sony said "Next gen starts when we say it does so" but ironically next gen started with Gears." The thing is though you would have to to the "seed" of everything and I think that was RE4. Without them getting inspiration from RE4 there would be no Gears Basicaly what I'm saying is without that seed there is nothing to water.
Gears was not the first 3rd person cover system shooter. I know you said "popularized" but that means absolutely nothing. It shouldn't get credit for something just because it had a big budget and a huge marketing campaign. For some reason a lot of people compare Gears and Uncharted as if Gears invented the gameplay, which it didn't.
Old UC1 concept art and 2006 trailers will show you it had its own cover system planned before Gears release. The foundation for Uncharted's gameplay and approach comes from older games, not Gears. http://www.youtube.com/watc... Anyways, this is about the influence for UC's realism, but everyone is bringing up Gears without reading the article.
@cenobia...it may not be right, but thats how the industry works... and MS has made a fortune in western software doing exactly that...taking mechanics already used in almost indy games...and blowing them open with huge marketing campaigns... I can't tell you how many people I met in college that thought Halo was the first first person shooter...those weren't kids in 2001...we were all 18'ish...yet a ton of them had never even heard or saw an fps before that... Halo popularized the first person genre in the console market...period...doesn't really mean anything, as the franchise is nothing like what it used to be (thank CoD for that)...and Gears popularized the cover mechanic and action based TPS games (not survival horror, which went no where, proven by RE5's dastardly control scheme)...
Actually Gears was the first real game to stand up to the 'next gen' claim imo. I was amazed when it came out. That was the first time I had the 'online experience' and the graphics were excellent back then to boot. Presentation, online, gameplay. That was Gears. That's this gen in a nutshell, Presentation, Online...and with luck you'll get the gameplay.
@SuperLupe "At least Naught Dog have the integrity to admit it" An ex-Naughty Dog developer was quoted not a current employee.
'Actually Gears was the first real game to stand up to the 'next gen' claim imo. I was amazed when it came out. That was the first time I had the 'online experience' and the graphics were excellent back then to boot.' red i said the same damn thing almost. Gears 1 showed me next gen had arrived. Uncharted has pushed the bar further but gears one showed me how real this gen could be
They said nothing about Gears shaping Uncharted. All they talked about was Sony's push for games to look more realistic, like some Xbox games were. The whole time Naughty Dog is talking about the looks and character modelling/rendering. The author added the word "shape" to the title and a picture of Gears next to it and you fanboys filled in the blanks.
"I know you said "popularized" but that means absolutely nothing." Wrong. It means a lot, seeing how it influenced a lot of todays great over the shoulder tps games, just as Halo deserves some credit for influencing many of todays great FPS games (and I hate halo btw, but I know that it deserves some credit). "It shouldn't get credit for something just because it had a big budget and a huge marketing campaign." It didn't. It gets credit because it was an AMAZING game. Extremely fun an addictive multiplayer, graphics and presentation that were absolutely phenomenal, a decent campaign made good with the inclusion of online co-op. If you honestly believe Gears wasn't great then sorry, but you either didn't play it, or you're just a fanboy. Hell, even if you don't care much about graphics/online/co-op, you still have to respect that it was a good game.
Well said superlupe. This is a great demonstration of how the best new IP on one console helped the best new IP of another console. Maybe it's not *just* gears that set that influence, but it's much more obvious then other games based on the article. After all, what other gritty 3rd person shooters with cover based mechanics did MS introduce apart from gears? Halo is not a third person shooter, and it's as further away from gritty as a game can get. The funniest thing here is how so many people here claim "but but but... Uncharted trailers showed 3rd person mechanics before Gears was actually released!" yet they forget that Gears itself showed the same mechanics in gameplay trailers over a year and a half before it was released
Ha, they changed the article picture because nobody read the article and started fighting over Gears influencing Uncharted! So many pointless comments!!! Although my comment is also about that topic I was clearly making fun of people who said a game could influence another game when they are separated by 10 months! @Above: I thought MS doesn't show games far from release? I guess whatever supports today's argument!
Before Gears, there's Time Crisis, MGS, Killswitch, etc who popularized cover system. So NO, the cover system are not popularized by Gears. FACT!
And who said that popular equals to nextgen??? Uncharted is the more realistic form of Next Gen and gears is a good game...
Hot dog cart doing very well, new hot dog cart arrives and also sells pizza, first hot dog cart starts selling pizza. The only thing I find interesting here is the details about what the game started out to be.
Not to be jack ass but ps3 had more shooters this year if im not mistaken.
@Ri0tSquad Gears was in development before Uncharted just sayin.
meh, call of duty 2 started this gen.
I would like naughty dog to make the game he describes but with uncharted level art and modelling. the concept sounds fantastic!
Why the disagree? Please enlighted me?
This is N4G..u can get disagrees for saying that the sky is blue.
dude Logic...the sky is white with blue clouds.
i dont really want a game like he described but i didn't disagree with you
2 true! anyway on topic, the concept sounds cool, wish we could see some tech demos n concept art.
@logicwins The sky isn't really blue though. Lolz ;)
It's good that Uncharted didn't end up looking gritty – much prefer the bright colours, really flies in the face of most 'next gen' games with all their browns and grays.
"much prefer the bright colours, really flies in the face of most 'next gen' games with all their browns and grays." Me too. Those colors and variety of different lush environments def helped Killzone 3 become the best FPS experience I've had this generation IMO. MAJOR step up from KZ2 in the colors department.
i agree, though KZ2's colors fit pretty well with it. Crysis 2 had a nice range of colors too.
I was playing that the other day and I loved the way they make the ocean in the arctic location feel. It was absolutely immersive.
Uncharted 3 is anything but gritty
Have you played it? Anything but gritty? It's set in a desert....how more gritty do you need it? Ever been to a beach? Sand gets EVERYWHERE!
I like uncharted and gears but im not a big fan of TPSs. I like FPS and love God of War games.
And people keep saying that Uncharted is a Tomb Raider rip-off when it was obvious that the game clearly took after Gears... And probably Prince of Persia because the platforming is awfully similar. The funny thing is that is now Tomb Raider devs the ones trying to rip-off Uncharted.
I wonder if people realize that it takes a heck of a lot more than a single year to fully develop a game, including shooting and platforming mechanics? People here seem to think that because Gears of War came out in 2006 and Uncharted came out in 2007 that the latter copied the former. People, both games are based on the influence of games that came out a lot longer before either of these games.
Come on dude, here is naughty dog saying Gears had a huge influence on Uncharted...why the denial. You dont work at Naughty Dog HQ as far as I know, right ? You dont see Epic saying "Uncharted inspired Gears" simply because it didnt, it's the other way around.
@LaChance: You do know I'm replying to Peaceful_Jelly's comment of "...it was obvious that the game clearly took after Gears". As far as the quote everyone is talking about? ***So the big push from Sony, not just at Naughty Dog but at all of Sony's development companies at the time, was to craft games for PlayStation 3 that were much more realistic. The pressure from Xbox's success with gritty shooters was a very real force on our direction at that time.*** You guys do know he's talking about the first Xbox and not Xbox 360, right? Before Gears was even created? The only time Gears was brought up in relationship to the quotes in the article was by people like you who fail at reading comprehension.
Agreed. A lot of people are desperate to make a connection because they're both TPSs with a cover system. I doubt Gears inspired any of the realism or how cinematic Uncharted is. I'm pretty sure it was older games.
If any one read the story they were saying that uncharted was going to be more fantacy base but the market change from Mario type games to a grittier ones.
I would love that to happen!
If only every game was on every platform! Would you love that to happen?
Only time will tell!!!
I do enjoy listening to developers talking about the behind the scenes pressures, etc... Really gives a good insight sometimes into where and why certain devs did things with their games. I mean if you look at Gears for instance you can clearly see the influence COD multiplayer had with Epic when you look at Gear of War compared to Gears of War 2...and now 3. Uncharted influenced by Gears for game mechanics...and Gears influenced by Uncharted to be stronger in story. Just interesting stuff. I also must say I do appreciate when a dev does come forward and speak candidly. Far too often you get the feeling most devs just feed you the "company" line. Its always refreshing to read/hear when that isn't the case.
Gears of War probably helped. Its good to see that when they see a good mechanic they decide to improve it then implement it in their game.
Just posting here so I can come back and read this when I have more time.
@ cgoodno. Is that what they mean? Come to think about it the quote never mentioned anything about Gears or anything. The site itself made that assumption. They said Xbox but did they mean Xbox 1 or 360? If they mean Xbox 1 Gears didn't exist during that time so how could Gears influence it? Ah well it would be no surprise a site taking quotes and forming it into whatever they want it to mean. BTW why are they talking to ex employees instead of ND themselves to get info? Any opportunity to say UC2 copied Gears.
Everybody takes something from someone. ND took some ideas from EPIC for Uncharted and made an amazing game with the Uncharted series. This is a good thing. EPIC stepped up its game with Gears 3 because of Uncharted 2. People on this site need to stop the frekn crying and whining to justify their console purchase. YOU DON'T OWN THE CONSOLE COMPANY TO CARE. The again this site has an average age of 12 so their is no point in arguing this. Carry on crying...
Wow.... all this arguing over who did what first while totally discrediting who does it better...
Next, Cliffy B fires back by saying how Gears is better than Uncharted and Sex and that Naughty Dog sucks. Film at 11.
Most of these guys are friends, people on here may be at odds because of one console or another, they dont share that mentality they believe everyone and every system is good for the market and them.
get your eyes checked
I thought it was common knowledge now that Naughty Dog have a semi collaborative network of dev friends. They Thank Epic, Insomniac, Sucker Punch and Sony Santa Monica for helping them out with a few ideas.
I absolutely LOVE the Gears and Uncharted franchises. I also love how much Gears helped shape gameplay elements of Uncharted as well. They both are closely similar but yet enough different to separate the 2. I freaking LOVE the Uncharted series but with Epic milking their engine down to the very core for Gears 3 really shows. Gears 3's graphics are thee absolute best I've seen on 360 and even come extremely close to Uncharted (IN MY OPINION). I haven't seen a lick of texture pop in, like ever. The emence detail and crisp textures are all over. Just the COGs that you play as are so freaking detailed. NO MATTER what PS3 exclusives you own or have played. You cannot deny how clean/in depth Epic went to close this game out. It's them perfecting their huge franchise and their own game engine wrapped up into 1. I haven't seen texture pop in, the lighting engine is rediculous, the textures are emencely detailed, 4 player online co-op = AMAZING (how many games do that? especially on PS3?), and the multiplayer gamemodes provided are plentiful compared to like 90% I've played this gen. $60 is a steal for Gears 3, worth every penny! Bacon?
If you will look somebody to learn, who will you look? The best! Gears of Warrrrrr!!!
What's will all the arguing. The man said it himself. I would love for Gears 3 to be on ps3 as in my opinion it's the 360's only exclusive worth talking about. It's the only reason I would even buy a 360 but that's just too much money that I could spend on ps3 exclusives.
Yes, the man CLEARLY stated that Uncharted was influenced by Gears. /s
Fail article is fail
well im glad for those xbox games becuz uncharted series is crem de la crem, top shelf
Humble of them to admit that they borrowed from the Gears of War franchise.
Uncharted is just Gears Of War and Tomb Raider mixed in one. Not talking trash. It is one of my favorite franchise. Single player I like Uncharted better well part 2 of course. Gears 3 is looking awesome so far i'm in chapter 3 so far. Waiting for Uncharted 3 to make my final decision. Gears 3 still owns multiplayer though
Naughty Dog has got the King Midas touch.
This article title is extremely misleading half these people didnt even read the article before commenting. Read before you post damn it!
So, for the record, and to reiterate what others above me have said: THERE IS NO MENTION OF GEARS INFLUENCING UNCHARTED. End of story.
Uncharted is official plain and simple.. Phuck all that Other Fanboy shit from both sides. Get a Life Ladies. I just finished Gears 3 and im fiendin' for the Next uncharted.
And uncharted pushed epic to try harder. Jesus! Xbox fans really revel in their single exclusive game for a year don't they? It's "oh ps3 exclusives aren't good quality" or "our exclusives sells better than yours" In November it'll be "oh who cares about uncharted 3, we have skyrim to play" Blind fanboys are pathetic to watch. Really.
It's not a big secret that Naughty Dog and Epic are pretty close, and not surprising, they are the best devs in the business. Yes, ND has said on several occasions that Gears influenced Uncharted.