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Laziness Isn’t the Reason Some Gamers Hate Disc Swapping

DeShaun Zollicoffer of Geek Revolt writes:

"When the topic of disc swapping comes up and someone expresses their displeasure, they’re met with sarcastic comments like, “wow, it’s so hard getting up changing a disc, that’s 10 seconds of your life wasted”, or “stop being lazy, it’s not a big deal”. The problem with these two comments is the responders are assuming laziness is the reason some avoid games that require multiple discs. Well, that’s not a wise assumption; here are a few reasons why they don’t want to deal with it."

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NukaCola1783d ago

Not wanting to get off my ass has nothing to do with it. When you have to put content on two discs, it ruins the experience. If youre playing a game and you miss a sidequest on Discs 1, once you get to Disc 2, you lost that quest forever.

With a linear story, then it's managable but this is 2011, when a point A to B titles like Battlefiled has to be on 2 discs, then there is a major calling for a new format. Hell even Halo ODST which was a 4 hour DLC title turned to retail at $60 couldnt fit with the Halo 3 DLC on one disc and had to be broken up to too discs.

Another major problem is Ms themselves. On PC you can install the entire 10 discs with no problems, but on a 360 youre limited on space, and the royalties they charge for multipe discs are unholy expensive.

Just getting off my ass is the lass thing about disc swapping I'm worried about.

da_2pacalypse1783d ago (Edited 1783d ago )

wow you must be joking right? You're telling me when you're playing games you don't ever get up to stretch or get food? You just sit in front of the TV and play the game from beginning to end? I'll be honest, with a game like BF3, your experience is not going to be affected at all, one disc for multiplayer, another for single player. If a game like Skyrim were to get two discs, then we would start seeing some annoyances because of the fact that it's an open world game (but skyrim is going to be on one disc). There is absolutely nothing wrong with disc swapping, you must be a new gamer, because when I was a kid all RPG games came on multiple discs (4 was the usual number of discs). Seriously guys, stop complaining, this shouldn't even be a discussion...

andrewsqual1783d ago

Yeah and when you go from one city to the other in GTA you will have to swap discs. OH WAIT. There isn't goin to be another GTA until DVD is buried. Screw your getting off the couch to change the disc. Why do people defending disc jump to that reason. That is the last reason that any of the people who complain about multiple discs, are talking about

NukaCola1783d ago (Edited 1783d ago )

Ok, this is why I really get irritated with guys like you here on N4G. You people never read anything. When I was kid this when I was kid that. I am 26yrs old bud. When I was young I played tons of titles with disc swapping. That is and was never an issue for me, but in this day and age I want the entire experience in one complete package. Disc swapping breaks up the pacing of a game. You didnt read one damn thing in my comment because I never said anything about sitting in front of the TV for hours. I just said actually swapping discs themselves isnt the issue, it's all the other factors of small DVD space. read what I said again chief.

@EDIT:

This is getting out of hand. Point is..Discs swapping is holding back the industry. It was a neccessity 10 years ago, but now it's just a hinderance. Disagree all you want, but the next Xbox needs this gone. It's ruining gaming.

BrutallyBlunt1783d ago (Edited 1783d ago )

I can swap a lot of discs before a game has been installed on my Playstation 3. Each is a minor pain so it all depends on how much of an issue some want to make it out to be.

It has nothing to do with immersion and breaking the focus. Most games are well over 8 hours and only a very small minority will sit through a game in one setting. Plus this is probably one disc for the campain and one for the multiplayer.

What i will say is when you have a game that requires you to go back and forth to do side missions that is where things deteriorate for multi-disk games. Even though Metal Gear Solid 4 was on bluray try going back to earlier missions, it was a pain. Star Ocean on the XBOX360 was also a pain. Battlefield 3 won't be as the campaign won't be sectioned off so those who make a big issue are probably those who want to make an issue because they look for reasons to downplay the XBOX360 to begin with.

da_2pacalypse1783d ago (Edited 1783d ago )

@NukaCola did you read what I said? because I said in BF3 the single player will be on one disc and MP on the other... what pacing is broken there? I read what you said, the other stuff I said was just to the general consensus, a lot of people just complain because they don't want to get up.. that's not really a valid excuse in my opinion...

insomnium21783d ago

@ level and pals

Do you like the idea of a GTA where you have to switch discs between towns?

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DaTruth1783d ago

I don't care about getting off the couch either! Certain games have to be redesigned(ex.FF13) to be more linear in order to accommodate disk-swapping or if the game was trimmed to avoid even more disks because MS charges ridiculous fees for extra disks! Even MS know more disks is bad and charges heavy royalties as a deterrent!(Carmack deterred with RAGE)

Why have limitations where none are necessary?

VINNIEPAZ1783d ago (Edited 1783d ago )

"wow you must be joking right? You're telling me when you're playing games you don't ever get up to stretch or get food? You just sit in front of the TV and play the game from beginning to end?"

THIS^^ I can see NukeCola now playing the game and God forbid he gets a phone call or the kids want a snack. "Get out you lil punks! Daddy is submerged in the game right now!!"

Funny when I played games like...

All PS2 Final Fantasy (Remember 4 Disks) Games
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil Code Veronica
Metal Gear Solid
Vagrant Story
Parasite Eve
Shenmue
Skies of Arcadia
Grandia II

and switching disks was never a problem then and it inst now. And don't give me that dumb, "but that was on older system". That's not the point, the point is if its a big problem right now, and its just not. Maybe next gen, but bitching about it this gen this late is just stupid.

And if you talk immersion, don't play MGS4. I would rather have switched disks then wait through those 15 minutes loading screen again.

EDIT @ Nuke

"1998?" No my friend the tech was from 2005 we are playing on. SIX YEAR OLD TECH so its somewhat understandable, and you are still complaining about this now. "The God almighty 360" LOL Now I'm a 360 fanboy? I own TWO Ps3 thanks you. Also I think its the PS3 fanboys that have the "Almighty" complex as you are showing clearly now. Let me tell you a lil secret Nuke. The "almighty" Sony didn't push Bluray in the PS3 because they gave a rats ass about game storage space, they wanted to win a FORMAT WAR with HD DVD. Of course it payed off and they won, having a huge amount of space for games now is a great side effect of that, but dont think even for 1 minute that was Sonys main goal of bluray. It wasn't because they love you so much, they wanted to win the format war period.

NukaCola1783d ago

Your failure to understand any logic is astounding. This is obsurd to read what you right. What are you living in 1998? The God almighty 360 as you guys claim and games have to be scaled back and altered for you. You are holding back the advancment of gaming.

Ill readdress this because your few knuckleheads can't understand english. This is nothing to do with swapping discs itself. Getting up isn't an issue.

But having content stretching across multiple discs breaks the pacing of games. who am I arguing. You dont even read anything. Just one troll feeding of the bullcrap of another troll.

You cant even understand basic english. What a shame, and I thought N4G could be a place of intelligent discussion.

f7897901783d ago

@NukaCola

Lol you thought a place on the internet could host an intelligent conversation? No. Not possible. People disagree on facts and all hell breaks loose.

insomnium21783d ago (Edited 1783d ago )

@vinnie

Sony thinks ahead a good 10 years when they upgrade their consoles. PS2 had DVD which was kinda new back then. DVD was also quite clearly needed since many games at the end of gen shipped with multiple discs.

This time PS3 has BD and it's no use for you to say Sony didn't think about games AT ALL since there's the history with PS2 (and PS1 for that matter) to prove you wrong. You are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

@ nuka

I agree and fully understand what you are saying. Sadly n4g really IS NOT the place for adults to discuss in a civil manner. We should have an age limit of 25yo here.

TheMyst1783d ago

People say that it's no problem since we did it the last few gens BUT if I WANTED to switch disks I would not have upgraded to this gen. Yea, there were multiple disk games in the PS2 era but that was years ago.

MS needs to get with the times and start producing better quality hardware and games. Hell, I don't understand what went wrong, the original Xbox was solid as a rock...

ATi_Elite1783d ago (Edited 1783d ago )

I hate disc swapping cause

1. There is technology out there that prevents Disc swapping from even being an issue.

2. content on multiple disc means there might be a case that something was left out to make things fit.

3. Disc swapping is why PC games started getting "Cracked" in the first place. That along with a worthless disc mindlessly spinning in the optical drive made NO SENSE.

"Please insert disc 2 to complete the Nod mission" in Command and Conquer comes to mind as the last time i ever swapped a disc. It was Bullcrap back then and it's even a bigger pile of Bullcrap today!

4. it's a major hassle when going back and fourth trying to complete missions and you gotta play game disc DJ to get to where you wanna be.

5. it increases the chances of your game being "Phucked" now that you have 2 disc to prevent from being scratched instead of one.

M$ has really screwed up on the 360. sure it's fun to play and has made a ton of cash but compared to other machines from a "Design" point of view it's engineering was done all wrong. it should at have always come with a large HDD to allow installs when the games came on multiple disc or used a better game holding media.

last but not least I'll be playing BF3 on the PC using NO DISC cause that shite is old technology!

SSD Be-atches FTW!

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jony_dols1783d ago (Edited 1783d ago )

Multiple disks isn't as a big an issue as some people make it out to be, but it still can be a bit of a pain.

I remember I bought Dead Space 2 for my 360 when I was at home for mid-term break. After starting my play through, I then lugged my 360 (with Dead Space 2 disk 1 in the console) back to college when break was over, but I had accidentally left Disk 2 behind in the box at home.

Even though I had installed both disks on my HDD, I still had to insert disk 2 when I reached the swap point. So I had to abandon DS2 till the next time I got home.

Fast forward 2 months and I finally got to complete the game that I paid €60 for..... It wasn't the end of the world, but it still wouldn't have happened if it was on one disk or a Blu Ray.

BrightFalls761783d ago

So your forgetfulness is the reason multiple discs is bad?

coolcut1351783d ago

u shouldnt even be swapping disks in this day and age.

jony_dols1783d ago (Edited 1783d ago )

@BrightFalls76

I had saved both disks onto my HDD like I had done with Forza 3 (my only other multi disk game). However unlike Forza 3 (the way multiple disks should be done) and unbeknownst to me, it still asked for the 2nd disk even though the entire 2nd disk was saved onto my HDD.

I wasn't as much forgetful but more like complacent, because I thought developers would take a leaf out of Forza's book. I was wrong.

And yes multiple disks are worse than content saved on HDDs & Blu ray.

ATi_Elite1783d ago

Dude your Avatar is funny as shite! I do not know why but it's just funny to me.

Neko_Mega1783d ago

Biggest reason for me is that I hate it if I lose disc two or even disc one, that or your 360 grids it.

da_2pacalypse1783d ago

lol that makes no sense.... if you have the tenancy to lose discs, then losing 1/2 is better than losing 1/1.... nice logic

TheMyst1783d ago

The 360 does love scratching disks though. It's happened to me twice (thankfully on cheaper games). You can't even touch the machine while it's on in fear that it'll eat the disk.

TABSF1783d ago (Edited 1783d ago )

Xbox 360 - 2 Discs
PlayStation 3 - 1 Disc
Steam/PC - No Disc

grailly1783d ago

yep, even though I'm a console gamer I always refer buying my games digitally. and that has all to do with laziness :)

ZILLA1783d ago

talk about lame.sucks to be you

BrightFalls761783d ago

talk about lame, PS3 still can't install a full game to the hard drive.

f7897901783d ago

He's right. That is kind of lame Sony never let ps3 owners do that. It would be nice.

MidnytRain1783d ago

He didn't say anything about the PS3.

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