VelocityGamer writes: Can't Xbox LIVE just be free to play online? Or even maybe just $20-$30 a year? Okay. Put away the pitchforks and troll verb-age and just read, because you do want to agree with me. It'll be better for many of us.
This is something that should be abolished, especially with CoD's Elite coming, and the 360 being the majority of CoD's fan base. XBL-G + Elite is gonna run you $100. This is absurd in modern day gaming, since on EVERY other platform you can just connect your net, insert (or download) your game and play online. But, Microsoft has to continue trying to make an easy buck. Why? Xbox's community. There are still people who will defend the cost of this service, not realizing that they're the only platform still paying to play online.
Making xbox live free would be scamming the hard working developers out of well deserved money for the multiplayer portion of the game.
Huh???? Maybe for the exclusives (in terms of funding for future games) but do you think the other developers see that money. Microsoft keeps the money and uses it to build there service. Thinking developers really see the money is ludicrous.
@Best Nice joke. Also, thanks for proving my point.
If Microsoft gets rid of Xbox Live fees, I will eat my hat and buy a 360.....or at least Windows 8 on day one.
@Best... if that's what you think. Devs can switch to online passes on used games to make up for any "loss". They also turn profit on DLC and sales of downloadable titles. LIVE should be free!!! MS turns a profit by sales alone, not to mention they have ads directly on the UI and all throughout the features. I call BS on the better service argument. I have 2 PS3s and 2 XBOXs and PSN and Live both perform well... difference is one's free with less advertising while the other costs me annually.
The issue isn't making EVERY part of Xbox Live Gold free. The issue is that you can't even use the basic online functionality of the games you've bought. On the PS3, Wii, PC, even the DS and PSP you can play any of its games online for free without any built-in fee for it. 360 is the only console that charges you to play online. I'm fine with them charging for Avatars, cross-chat, and even Achievements. Go for it. But why should paying customers have to pay Microsoft a fee to play the game online that they rightly bought?
why should they stop? we all can see that sony is slowly adopting the same strategy. the free games you get arent free. they are costing you the continued subscription fee. all new features psn gets will pretty much be members only. the online play will soon be getting limits imposed on free members. the paid will get unrestricted play. just you watch.
@darthv72 "free games you get arent free" actually the free games u get are really free. if the game is free only during the subscription based time period. it will state so. otherwise the free games u get are really free.
"actually the free games u get are really free. if the game is free only during the subscription based time period. it will state so. otherwise the free games u get are really free." I'm sorry, but anything you have to pay for to get "free" isn't free.
@bz that is true. but the point is u can keep the game and not just play during the subscription period. if u read the comments correctly, u wouldnt of missed the point.
Why make it free? Have you see the features that you get? Seriously? If PSN offered the same features I would gladly pay for it as well. As it stands, in my opinion, PSN should be free, not Live. I think it's funny that some say that MS is trying to make a quick buck but clearly either they are fanboys or they don't know what is given for the membership. I'd love to see N4G being a place of honesty, understanding and less fanboy drama. It gets old.
There is very little Live offers that PSN doesnt. Charging for something that should be free is wrong and the that fact that people are defending it shows how sheepish the world has become. "CHARGE ME MORE MS!" Seriously what the hell?
@trophywhore You long history of xbox bashing comments has given me the impression you never experienced xbl at all.
@Trophywhore Seriously man? Didn't I say to drop that Fanboy crap. Live offers: ... Voice Chat, Party Chat, Video Chat with Kinect, Avatars, DLC, multiplayer gaming, netflix, Sky Go, Xbox Live Arcade, Facebook, Twitter, Last FM, Zune video, Zune Music, Vadafone TV, MSN, ESPN, Foxtel on Live, Hulu, Avatar Kinect, Kinect Fun labs, AT&T u-verse tv, Telus TV, Game room, IPTV, Cloud Storage, Skype, Live Messenger, Windows Media Center, Canal, Movistar, Windows Phone integration, TrueSkill, and so much more. YouTube is coming, Bing is on its way, UFC, Windows 8 Compatibility, Sure PSN offers some of these but you have to admit, they are very rough around the edges and nothing compared to Live. Lets just be honest here folks.
Oh yeah my loooong history of 33 comments. http://n4g.com/user/home/tr... How about you talk out of your mouth next time... @above Youre telling me to drop the fanboy crap when you are the one making lists? Most of those things PSN does too. The only two things Live has over psn is party chat and in game music for all games. How does that justify such a high price? How can you just sit idly by while MS bends you over? I dont see that logic in that at all. At the very LEAST, MS should be lowering the price for live since there is a service that offers that same thing for free. Instead, they raise it. Interpret that how you will but that is not how competitive business works.
u have to be kidding, i still have live and i know i will never activate it again, its useless and doesnt have much over psn, especially to warrant a 60$ base price (dont care if u can get it for 45 on ebay) there just isnt that much more on there, there's just not
Not gonna happen. Why should they; theyre gettin money for sitting on their asses, dont make any games, maintain any studios/employees/property taxes/benefits. The little employees they have are a couple hindus in india or filipinos working for nominal wages, and that fat geek larry herb. Perfect racket $60x20 million dedicated members =$1,200,000,000 to make a couple inside xbox clips a month pay some hindus a nickle a day to answer the phone
Ugh this is getting out of hand. Xbox live service is superior to the psn service IMO and it deserve every cent Ive paid for it! The only thing that the psn has is the fact that it's free! For 5$ A MONTH you get: Party chat up to EIGHT people each one playing DIFFERENT game! Global invite FREE demo for EVERY XBLA TITLE available! The ability to join in-game session, which means if there is a room in COD match that your friend is playing, you dont need to ask for an invite! You can just the game instantly! Xbl is very polished and offer a lot of great services! Do I want it to be free? Hell yes! But does the wii/ps3 offers better online services?? For me, no. Till the day psn becomes on par with xbl while still being free, I'll be happy to ditch my gold subscription.
So because the developers are trying to cash in Microsoft is supposed to just stop charging? How does that make sense? The trend is going the other way. Playstation Plus will be the norm next generation Sony. They need to pay for their network. Anyone that's paying 60 bucks for XBox Live is doing it wrong, anyway. But seriously, five bucks a month is too much to partake in the vastly superior overall online network? You're complaining about the wrong people. You don't need COD Elite to play it online. It's not necessary. It doesn't allow you to go online Sorry, they don't need to stop charging for anything. That was the deal when you signed up: XBox Live was a pay service. I paid 35 bucks for my next year of service. It's called doing your homework. There is always a deal out there to be had. Buying the console doesn't entitle you to the service, it entitles you to put the disc in and play a video game. The internet didn't come with my computer. People pay money for World Of Warcraft and can't play it unless they are online. If you don't want to be a part of a subscription service, don't sign up for one. It seems like a fairly simple concept. I didn't HAVE to get Playstation Plus, but guess what, I did, because they provided me value. XBox Live should not be free. Sorry, there's just way too much going on that costs money to keep running. Sure, they are making money off of it, as they should. They are a business. That is what businesses do. If you want a free video game network that you don't have to pay for, go make your own.
Agree, no one pays for online except xbox users. Sad thing is they defend it. And whats this great service xbox fanboys honestly think they are getting? Advertisements shoved down your throat? Hell, I pay for live too it but you're not going to see me defend it while I play free online with PC and PS3.
One day we will have developers charging for online themselves like a mmo almost. You can see cod heading this way already. Why let ms take all the money when say activision or ea run the servers? They will charge for battlefield and cod online even if its a pass for ALL games. When this happens ms is done charging. They should at least drop it down, its very doable (like 3-4 a month) but compared to free it seems pointless. Il pay as its a great service and the community is worth it but if theres extra charges like cod elete thats mandatory to experience full online than the double sub is too much. They need to include the game sub in xbl and kickback to the dev.
play on pc or ps3, its free. Why stick to 360 anyway?
well said luffy.
Luffy would take the Ps3 because it has a higher risk of getting hacked. Taking one for the team.
@RedDeadDestroyer you do realize that sony fixed their online network right? what do you think they have doing for 1 month? its actually more secure than XBL now. Oh and btw, XBL is so boring it cant even do cross-platform like Steam/PSN. lol so much for "teh you getz wat yuo payz four."
Cuz peoples XBL accounts aren't hacked on virtually a minute-by-minute basis. Oh, wait...
This is why i dont play on my xbox360 why waste money on something that i can do for free on 3 other systems.
I didn't know you can do cross gaming chat, party chat up to eight people, global invites up to 100 friends, ability to join in-game session, free demos for every psn game, voice messages etc. On the ps3/wii....
If they were to make it free and maintain the same level of features and service, then I am all for it. But as it is I have nothing to complain about. Like many others on the service from the first year, I am very happy with what I get for the money I pay. If some one needs a more affordable service, there are many of those options out there. People who are actually paying for it obviously want to play for it, no?
The only thing you're paying for is XGC and XBLA... Everything else is offered by PSN and even more is offered by PC software. I'm missing what people find valuable about XBLA, when both alternatives mentioned are free and offer everything but the features I mentioned above. Hell, PC's offer numerous alternatives to the above features. I'm not trying to be fanboy here, if anyone can correct me, please do. Just be sensible about it.
No. They want to play online. In order to do that on the 360, they have no choice but to pay. Guaranteed that if the 360 had a PSN setup where the features were something you could pay for but still get online gaming for free, the majority wouldn't look back. Free will always win out.
Too late, they already lost my business. Maybe they will vindicate themselves somehow. If gears 3 is REALLY REALLY exceptional, they start cranking out lots of cool games, and get rid of live charges, I may have a change of heart.
I think MS knows what would happen if they made even just Online play free. They probably would lose at least half of the gold members that they currently have. XBL is the best service IMO, but it isn't worth the cost over PSN. At least not the way I play. Others will find good value in it though.
"Why can't it be $30" Look online and you can find it for that much.
man, am paying for gold and most of the services doesn't really work with me because am on other and when i say some i mean all of the services......so way am i paying 40 or 50 $ a year?
i forgot to say that am from another country so most of the services doesn't really work form and yeah i prefer xbox live over ps network mostly because of the party chat and easier navigation but i also like the ps home feature very cool but weak.
No thanks. I realize it costs money to upkeep everything on XBL. They keep it fairly trouble free. I don't want every idiot making 10 Gamertags like people do with PSN names. I've personally never paid more for XBL then $30, if you ever buy it on sale through MS, they only ever charge that recurring. It's a premium service and unless you've actually spent a lot of time with it, you cant really appreciate it. COD Elite has nothing to do with XBL, Elite isn't really something needed. If your the type of person who buys all the DLC, Elite is actually cheaper.
Doesn't bother me to pay 16 cents a day for Xbox live, besides their always an issue w/ free stuff. if it's okay w/ the rest of the world i will continue to pay for it.
and take a billion dollar revenue stream down? Lame article and wishful thinking smart cookie
There are a group of high level thinkers at MS HQ. They know the breaking point of the average gamer and that breaking point is 60$. Thats why games cost 60 even tho the price of production of DVD'S/BLU is painfully low. but yea c'mon i am not going to defend being charged for Live. It should at least be 20-25 yearly.
Microsoft has created a great online community experience and given it the feeling of a premium service through the requirement to pay for 'gold membership'. They would not give this up easily, however I think it would be very simple for them to offer some kind of bare-bones service to compete with what all other systems offer. I believe that, after paying for a console, game and access to the internet, free online gameplay should be the basic right of any gamer. Keep the premium content and features for those that are willing to pay for them but don't put a price on fundamental connectivity between players. There's no excuse not to deliver a free online service: PC does it, PS3 does it, Wii does it. For what reason other than "because they can" do MS justify charging for something their competitors manage to give away for free? You could argue that MS wouldn't be able to offer the great features they do if they didn't have that income but you'd have to wonder how PSN keeps improving to the point where there's very little difference between services. Once x-game chat comes with Vita and, assuming, PS4; what will be left to pay for?
Why waste your time on writing another BS article about how XBL should be free. Its a premium service. It offers more than what Sony can offer. Its main exclusive feature (I say exclusive as Sony announced that the PS3 will never support this feature) is cross game chat and XBL party chat. For that alone is a great reason to pick XBL over PSN. The connectivity in games is better on XBL. More services. Better security. Actually have an enforcement team Iv yet to see anything from Sony. Sony even proved that they needed a premium service to keep PSN going otherwise their poor attempt of a service would not have been made. Point in fact Sony never really intended to push hard with online multiplayer. Which is why their service was and still is poor. Simply you get what you paid for. Just want to also point out XBL only does down maybe once or twice a year. PSN goes down reguarly. PSN does have features yes but a lot of them are poor. Such as the TV stuff. They are links to the web browser... yeah that must have taken them a long time to code that hyperlink... Not really apart of the PSN service but the way they designed the files that you download but the demos / DLC are poorly made. Another example of not thinking ahead and rushing the back end. For example you download a demo you then have to wait a long time as their servers are slow (yes MS's arnt the fastest) then install and then update and then maybe an in-game update. Sony do not compress their title updates. There is no regulations unlike Microsoft which make sure they are tiny and there is nothing in there that doesn't need to be in there. Ok here's how it works on the 360. You download and play and maybe a 2MB title update which takes seconds. So it does kinda involve the networks but yeah that is partly what you pay for.
Such an interesting article. I approve. But I know all too well MS is too money hungry. They can't see that they will lose a lot of Customers in the future because of this. Lets just wait for them to feel the burn when Sony's free service puts Xbox live Gold to shame.
Well said, I like live... but the so called "Differences" are few and far between now... Live really needs to either drop lower, or just freaking go free. Pissed me the f*** off when they RAISED it.
All Fanboyism aside i also agree xbox live should be free. I own a 360 and especially in this time its gonna be hard to handle paying for it and the games. I do agree with some of the things the person writes but for the part where hes saying that those features don' appeal to him that's his own opinion and i respect that. Making live free would have a decline in their profits of live but also increase their profits with MS points and also sales for 360. it would be a great choice and also boost there profits in other areas especially if they market there announcement of free live like they did kinect.... maybe a little less though.
Hey, why don't you donate half of your paycheck to other working people every month, see how well that goes. Xbox Live makes a ton of money for MS and I am just sure they are going to give that all up for no reason. -_- Talk of a free xbox live is one of the dumbest gaming discussions this gen.
It's really in Nintendo's and Sony's hands. If the two of them stay firm on free online play into the next generation, Microsoft will have NO choice but to offer the online gaming portion of XBL for free. If either Nintendo or Sony decides that they think they can get away with charging for online play, the remaining one will also have to jump on board. In either case, the odd man out will have to join the other two. As it stands right now, XBL is still the best online suite of any home console. However, most of the things the competition are missing (Sony mainly), are due to limitations with their hardware/OS configuration. For example, as recently confirmed and speculated for years, the way the RAM behaves in the PS3, coupled with its large OS footprint, make it practically impossible to achieve cross-game chat or other similar in-game features. Of course they could redo the whole OS, but they might just wait for their next console release. With the design of the Vita, they put a lot more effort into how the hardware operates with their OS. translation = problem solved. You can bet any new PlayStation will be following suit, and Nintendo probably as well. So once all the features are within reach, do you charge, or keep it free? Like I said, it will go one of those two ways. I can't imagine myself not owning an Xbox. I have a PS3 as well, but this generation the play time is pretty evenly spread. Depending on how things unfold next time, I will probably reevaluate where I do most of my online gaming.
paying to just play a general game online is bullshit and a ripoff, that should atleast be included in xbox live silver, microsoft is just money hungry.
^^this^^ How ANYONE can not see this is beyond me.
Some of you people are idiots. the entire article was about making the online portion free, not which is better, psn or live. Point of fact, if you like everything extra live does that's cool, but even the foolish would agree online play should be free. Does it have to be broken down for simple minds? buy ANY multiplatform game with online MP/CO-OP for system A and the same game for system B. system A lets you play SP and MP for free system B requires an additional fee to access MP Cost to play ENTIRE game on system A: $60 Cost to play ENTIRE game on system B: $60+ That's it. period. Now who in their right mind would be ok to pay more for the same game? And then BRAG that you like to pay more as if the gameplay isn't the same. How stupid is that? Like the MP gameplay is different or something. What's wrong with you people? If you want cross-game chat, etc, etc, that's fine, YOU pay for it. Everybody else just wants to play online. I've never seen so many insecure people in my life. Most of you were a waste of sperm. I'm done here.
You fail to see the difference. Its a service not a product. With XBL you get a better service than PSN. This can be seen in different ways such as cross game chat, better connectivity, better servers, less down time, they have a proper enforcement team. Theres more but they are just a few. So you get what you pay for.
What difference? I own both systems(ps3,360) and I see NO difference in ANYTHING. 360: Vengence999 ps3: ven_gence999 (Look me up, I love both my systems, more of you should wake up and do the same) You hit it right on the head. We are talking about a SERVICE. A service YOU ALREADY PAY FOR. We are talking about paying a fee to ACCESS a service you are ALREADY paying for. How hard is it for people to understand this? Everything you listed is pure BS. When did live stop being P2P? Just what servers ae you speaking of? What down time? what a load of bull. I'm not going to rip each example you listed, but what you listed is just retrended bull. I see NO difference other than cross game chat, which I hate btw. I hope if sony does ever add it they add it to psn+ so gamers like me won't be affected by it. ( I'll NEVER understand the guy that joins a TEAM BASED gamemode/game and instead of talking to his teammates, he's talking to a guy, playing another game, about bs. Way to help your team buddy.) It's people like you who are blinded for what ever reason. Most gamers have live JUST to play online. This is NOT ABOUT WHO IS BETTER AND BLAH,BLAH. Stop believing the BS trying to find justification in spending money you shouldn't have to. You people are so concern with others thinking you the fool for paying for something you ALREADY pay for you've lost sight to the truth and spew out pure nonsense like you've been brainwashed or something. I've never been a witness to such witlessness in my entire gaming life. wow I'd bet my life i tell you that MS would lose at LEAST 30 to 40 percent of gold members if silver had access to online. And those that keep gold would only stay gold for crossgame chat. Which is the way it should be. You want/like that feature, that's cool, YOU pay for it. Everybody else just wants to play the entire game they bought, including the online portion.
ive got both systems & to be honest i like the gui on the xbox more but i do not play online multiplayer im strickly a single player with a couple exceptions. For me i am just fine with a silver membership, i can get my netflix on the ps3 for free. If they made gold free tomorow very little would change for me, i might use the espn thing once in a while but thats about it.
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