Gamers happy with current-gen consoles, argues EA Labels boss
That will be upto u ea. if sony follow the vita. then so. It will make the best games next gen
"EA: What would PlayStation 4 even do?" 1. 1080p 2. 60 fps 3. Advanced object&fluid physics 4. Advanced facial animation 5. Tesselation&displacement mapping 6. Huge open world games with incredible graphics 7. Expanded bluray standard with 100+ GB discs 8. Cross-game chat. It would do what PS3 does, only much much better, bigger and more beautiful. Just like PS3 did when it succeded PS2. So it's an idiotic question on behalf of EA. I'll buy PS4 day 1 when it comes out. And those that are not ready now for next gen won't be ready ever, since that kind of people always have some kind of excuse why we shouldn't have next gen just yet.
Honestly a lot of those things are more in line with what a developer wants than what a consumer wants. I think consumers are still happy with 360/PS3 right now.
@wicko, I am a consumer and I'm no longer happy with my PS3. Why? Because I saw the likes of BF3 (others will follow) and realized that my PS3 can't even dream of running something like that, certainly not in all of its glory. And guess what? Thing will only get worse. X360 is even worse, console stuck with a prehistoric DVD drive with less power than PS3. @Ocelot, I thought your mom told you to stay in your cage. She won't be happy if she sees you running around Internet unattended. Now put your collar on and go back to where you belong.
R3 looks awesome, UC3 looks awesome, BF3 will look awesome. So will plenty of other games. Yes, would be nice to have a machine with all bells and whistles running games at [email protected]+, but I am quite OK what we have. Not going to invest another $500 bucks just to have another box standing around where I basically get the same in now shiny new colors. Because that's all it really does. The games will hardly change.
"Not going to invest another $500 bucks just to have another box standing around where I basically get the same in now shiny new colors. Because that's all it really does. The games will hardly change." Then why the hell did you buy PS3/X360? Same thing could be applied to PS2-->PS3 or xbox-->X360 relationship.
Just because one game has next gen quality visuals (BF3) doesn't mean that we're ready for new consoles?! Most developers can't even reach killzone 2, god of war 3, uncharted 2 and gears 3 quality yet and you expect next gen to start?! Lol! And even if it did, how many games do you think will even be at BF3 caliber?! I'm just being realistic here. I rather stick with the ps3 for a few more years and keep getting awesome games that reach the consoles peak performance than a new console that won't have nearly as good quality games.
You realize that 60fps is basically reserved for games which don't have enough graphical detail -- at *whatever* resolution they run at -- to justify running at 30fps, yeah? Racers are inherently boring scenes, and 60 fps provides a tangible benefit in high-speed racing conditions. It's almost worthless for every other game genre, given the tradeoff of effectively having twice as much GPU power (time/frame) instead.
PS2->PS3 was a quantum leap compared to e.g. push R3 from 720 to 1080. The whole TV industry changed from Tube to Flat panels and higher resolution. The old consoles simply could not utilize the new tech. The only argument which comes even close to this is 3D support where current consoles (incl. the PS3) struggle. But the switch from 2D to 3D is not as dramatic as from tube-NTSC/PAL to 1080p. 2D flat panels will be around, and 3D possibly just an option for a long time. So, there you have it. It was a dramatic change. Compared to what a PS4 will add to the PS3. Those improvements can be considered a "gimmick". Reaching just a minor improvement almost requires exponentially faster machines. Yes, if you'd break it down into every little detail this can be justified - from a technical perspective; but from a consumer point of view (= price argument) not so much. The objective improvement is not visible in the same amount. That is exactly what EA is saying. Everybody will upgrade at some point, I have no doubt about it. But no company will invest billions again for breaking with the current generation for just saying "our machine is faster". It will happen when that exponentially faster tech will be available at mainstream prices.
I can't lie that I like the idea of having EVERY game...no matter what...locked at 1080p @ 60hz... No doubt a lot of games look fantastic this generation...but a whole hell of a lot more look like shit... but I guess that is simply how the industry will continue to work, even into next generation...the top tier quality games being released now put so many other games to shame...it definitely is narrowing the list of games I can't wait to play...I remember when this generation started I was ready to get my hands on pretty much every decent game released...but a lot of titles this generation aged very poorly... and community feature wise...particularly the PS3 and PSN...there definitely is room to improve...the browswer is a joke (my sony ericsson phone has a more complete browser than the PS3, and its not a smart phone)...a couple of the 'promised' features from early this generation never made it...and obviously now, will not make it... I still like this generation...but I am slowly getting ready for something new...the next generation will take COMPLETE advantage of the TV I bought this generation...as in full HD across the board...and that is really all I am looking for anymore...Not interested in 3D, probably won't be, nor this motion control ridiculousness that still isn't really going anywhere... I think BF3 is going to really be the title that shows console gamers we need an upgrade...or won't...if the console versions scream to a degree where other console shooters can't keep up...great, apparently there are still some legs this generation...if Pc craps all over it to a degree where its just BC2 all over again, and think most of us will be ready for new hardware...
I completely agree i luvd this console generation till i got a half decent gaming computer 1080p 60fps and dx11 made me second guess what games I'd get for my ps3....When Arkham Asylum looks graphically superior to God of War you know its not just the developers its the hardware....give devs space and they will use it Crysis 2, Rage, and BF3 are plenty enough example of that
jaosobno pretty much has it right tbh.
And Backward compatibility
Well but of course it would only do "Everything Squared"
You left out fun ,ps3 doesnt have this feature.
What would PS4 do? Play games. /end discussion.
All of what jaosobno said and add in support for multiple displays, a better bigger revamped psn, and keep the games coming and il bite. Id love mod support for more games also.
You know Wii U does about 85% of that yay Wii U FTW!!! Also ps4's specs won't be much stronger than ps3. Also it will still probably run in native 1080 at 60-120 frames per second like the Wii U
EA: "What would PlayStation 4 even do?" It would only do everything.......
Honestly a lot of those things are more in line with what a developer wants than what a consumer wants. I think consumers are still happy with 360/PS3 right now. ----------------------------- ----- Exactly, I am good with the ps3, I have alot of free money but would still have trouble justifying another console purchase for graphics. Not when 2014-20015 roll around, yeah, then Im ready.
And I don't want to spend 4, 5 and $600 for incremental gains. When I see XBOX 360 and/or PS3 games start to get emulated on the PC, then that's when we'll know it's about time.
SD is 307,200 pixels (640x480). HD is 921,600 (1280x720). FullHD is 2,073,600 (1920x1080). As you can PLAINLY see, the jump between PS2 to PS3 was a difference of 614,400 pixels. And that's assuming the IP is even 720p at all. Now compare the jump between 360/PS3 to a normal 1080 PC display; it's a difference of 1,152,000 pixels. You call that an incremental gain? It's almost double the fidelity. Don't need to be a graphics whore to notice. Longsama is right, but to take it a step further, take any mediocre game/port on the PC like Homefront or AvP or Brink or Prototype and play them. Now try the current consoles. The difference is mind blowing. Ergo it IS the hardware that's holding back the developers. It cost only 8 million to make the Witcher 2 so "cost" isn't the issue. And I haven't even mentioned the higher enemy count, better AI, no screen tearing, anti-aliasing, HDR lighting, and all the other bells and whistles that the next gen has/will bring. If you're happy with the current gen, no one's forcing you to upgrade. But you and EA's cronies telling me it's not needed, that's utter bollocks. I already upgraded a year ago.
I've seen and played some of Uncharted 3 and Gears 3. I'm good bro. No upgrade needed yet....not for me. Both Sony and Microsoft agree with my sentiment.....unfortunately... ..unfortunately for you, not me. :)
^unfortunately for you Sony and M$ don't give two licks about you. your job is job is to believe what they say and give them money when they tell you to. And you do a damn fine job of it. I bet your swimming in Move accessories and Kinect games. BTW how's steam on ps3 treating you Mr. We get the same steam as pc gamers. lol
Perhaps we should play Portal 2 together sometime. Or, Would you prefer to wait for the next COUNTER STRIKE instead? Just let me know. :)
Full mind control Over all Of you
I want better graphics! Come on Sony. You spent all that money to release a system that is equal to a 360! I want something truly ground breaking from you next time!
How about better gameplay, better story, better characters. Screw graphics, they are literally the most superficial aspect of a game.
All of those things have a role to play but I am a graphics hound. It might be important to you, but for me it is.
Many will say "we like what we have now, we dont need more". Of course this is all just talk, the moment the PS4 is revealed along with a whole new slew of games, the pS3 becomes yesterdays news, and those who can afford it will be lining up to get their hands on it. I know I will.
The only way I would ok new consoles at this point is if assassins creed CGI trailers or Mass effect CGI trailers or the DC universe trailers are playable graphics. That would amaze me. Anything less makes no sense at this point. UC3 has shown me there is life left and Gears 3 aswell. If all games can look that good they have to atleast hit homeruns everytime. I really think that we are not going to get that level of graphic quality yet. By 2014 it might be a reasonable expectation. BF3 on PC is right on the cusp of that sort of CGI ingame blur. GodOW3 was close aswell.
Well seeing that the PS3 "only does everything" its going to be hard for the PS4 do more than "everything".
cross game "VOICE" chat :)
@ The Meerkat : The PS3 doesnt do video encoding , 3D modelling or word processing.
It only does everything better. New advertising pitch, calling it.
"it only does the impossible" sounds better.
Too right, Meerkovo.
Better Graphics Better Framerates Better Online Features And a regular controller that can be held in our hands.(And also utilize Keyboard & Mouse for every single game) No need for more stupid gimmicks, just give us what has worked for decades. Just make it more powerful, and more efficient.
I agree. The only reason I dont play most games on PS3 or Xbox 360 is because theres no keyboard and mouse support in games. I would abandon my PC if gaming did finally have Keyboard and Mouse support on consoles.
It seems eleven people know me better than myself.
@steve30x fyi 2007-present ps3 and select games support half keyboard/mouse control via fragfx killzone2/3 mgo2 r1 top of my head are supported titles. http://www.amazon.ca/FragFX...
wait what idk about better frame rates frame rates depend on developer and game no amount of hardware will give you better frame rates if the developer does not take the time to make them stable
Better hardware makes it easier for developers to have higher framerates. The reason we usually have 30 FPS on most 360/PS3 games is because the hardware restricts game developers from going higher.
It would write poetry.
Now that would be cool. What would be cooler though if it could read that poetry in 3D at 60fps. Day 1 purchase for me then!
It would play games!
Yup, play games WITHOUT the TV having to upsample would be a big IQ improvement. And while they're adding the processing power and ram for that why not throw in some decent levels of anti-aliasing! NATIVE and JAGGILESS!!!
Thank you, ps3 games with jaggies really take away from the otherwise impressive graphics.
It will do offline?
wanna know what the xbox 720 will do? RROD 2.0
the xbox 720 will also do no games
lol. like the last two? good job M$. /s
Just make it all round better and have good games and they'll have my money.
Its not like they have to do something completely revolutionary next generation, just give devs more processing power, more RAM, ect.. and create a great online experience. I can see why people argue against next-gen consoles. I have owned all three consoles at one point and I was an early adopter, so personally I am ready for it whenever they are. When you look at games like Battlefield and Crysis running on the PC tho, it really puts consoles to shame. We still have a lot of great games to look forward to, so I'm hoping we see the PS4 in 2013.
yea im in no rush 4 a new system & ne 1 who is needs 2 be gaming on a pc if the want consistent changes & upgrades but by 2013 yea we need 2 hav sumthin new
"Gamers happy with current-gen consoles" PC gamers sure aren't. Our systems are holding back higher quality graphics in games oh noes! edit: speaking of graphics, I'm currently playing Xenoblade. Funny that it has some the worst character models and low res textures I've experienced in a generation, but it's also the most fun and addicting JRPG I've played in TWO generations. If a game can be made like this for Wii, I really don't see a dire need for a new gen of consoles unless it really brings something new to the table. At least Nintendo is trying something different with Wii U, and at least it will finally join the HD revolution. I'm glad at least one console manufacturer has realized games can only look so much better than they do; the experience needs to stretch beyond pixels and polygons.
"Our systems are holding back higher quality graphics in games oh noes! " Yes, that must be it. That is why e.g. BF3 looks the same as PS3/360 and runs on 512MB and uses shader level 2.0. Oh, wait, nah, it doesn't. Some idiot wrote a render backend using latest DX11 features, uses multithreading, HDD, GBs of RAM - despite the fact that game is on consoles. I guess Dice didn't get the memo. Shame on them. How dare they are pushing consoles AND (!) the PC! /s I am sick of that argument. Grow a brain.
Bitstream some SACD and Blu-spec audio. Technology limitations aside, it boggles my mind how the Phat can do SACD but can't bitstream, yet the Slim can bitstream but cannot play SACD.
I think he maybe right. I mean look at all the games that are coming out now, soon and next year. There's tons! I'm happy at the moment just trying to keep up playing and finishing all of these games. Another thing: the poster jaosobno listed the things that he thinks could be improved on....problem is some consumers (and media) want all those functions for the price of the current consoles now lol Even before Sony dropped the PS3 recently by £50 people (including Michael Pachter) were complaining that the PS3 was too expensive, so it seems that not many people are ready to fork out for what they 'seem' to want. There's a reason why you have to pay a premium for high end graphics for your PC. If you want all those nice graphical touches, just spend money on a decent rig. Also, the games that will be made for these 'next gen' consoles are definitely going to cost more to make, take longer to develop...and they may charge us more for the privilege
I can think of a number of things the PS4 should do. Examples: - A fully connected and social Playstation Network (sort of like the Vita's PSN, but better. This includes Cross Game Chat, but also with Facebook, GMAIL and others. Not just PSN) - Runs all (or most) games in 1080p, 3D and at least 60 fps at the same time - Easier access to all the consoles' features (aka even more streamlined XMB) with a better in-game XMB showing only necessary icons. Gamepad - Proper triggers on the standard Sony made PS controller - Small LED screen in center of controller to display user logged in on that controller slot, and what player number that controller is set to, with touch sensitive "Start" and "Select" - Internal memory that saves profiles/gamesaves to gamepads (Allows multiple users at once on one console, plus it makes it easier to bring your information to your friends house) Pretty much all instantly came to mind when I read the article title. The PS4 is very possible right now, and there are many things gamers want that we can't have on consoles now. I still say PS4 announcement at this upcoming E3 (2012).
Touch sensitive on the controller? No. Then I will end up brushing it all the time. the touch sensitive power and disk for 360S is annoying enough. What's wrong w/ buttons?
Just better performance, and for the controller? Oldschool r2 and L2, and especially NO CONNECTED DPAD
separated d-pad buttons. i don't know if somebody owns the patent for triggers though...
Virtual reality anyone ? . Prototype headset already been shown !! . Can't wait for that one .
Add more RAM and a better gpu. Also make it play ps vita and ps2 games.
Ps4 obviously would deliver a better, growing and flexible rich experience all across the board. It will do what ps3 does only better. And it would do everything Ps3 doesnt. + More detailed games, awesome physics and AI, big worlds, higher standards in terms of Res, fps and aa. Kind of a silly question. I would love to have a action game where I could really play with realistic physics.
I have owned all 3 since day 1 and all 3 are starting to feel stale. Its just more of the same. Im rdy for next gen now im done hearing this kiddie crap from these kids these days that we dont need one yet. Maybe im old and been doing this to long and just a teck geek. But damn it everything feels stale to me now bring on next gen.