Skyrim Director Todd Howard explains why Skyrim benefits from such a great look on the Xbox 360, whilst giving some insight into changed development styles.
I have a feeling that it will be on multiple discs, if so it will be a PS3 purchase for me
Bethesda confirmed a single disc for all platforms :)
Sweet, impressive compression tech then?
I think Bethesda confirmed it just in time really.. Means people with more than one console are less likely to be instantly swayed away from Xbox when pre-ordering. Though there's nothing to REALLY indicate either PS3 or Xbox will be better
That scares me slightly then, as a game the size of skyrim should be more than one disk on the 360
Talk about a day late and a dollar short. And people are worried? Why be worried about the one that's being shown, lol? Or are you worried about the others?
"That scares me slightly then, as a game the size of skyrim should be more than one disk on the 360" They make it have hardly any content: Morrowind before Oblivion. San Andreas before GTA4. Pattern? Open world games can't exactly be multi-disk, so they have to skimp out on gameplay.
disc size doesnt matter to me, i own both consoles. i preordered for the ps3 cause im on my 3rd 360 and this game will take hours. ill be pissed if its better on the 360 cause my gamestop quit taking preorders. cmon man, let this be a mutiplat that doesnt gimp with the ps version. mofu's need to show some love
Here's some video from PAX. http://www.gameranx.com/upd...
I'm worried about size and scope. Remember when they said New Vegas was as big as Fallout 3? Yeah, that was a big fat BS lie. Also, the fact that they all ready have DLC during release bothers me greatly.
The PC version, which will also include the option for an excellent digital download. Of course, I'll play console first since I know I will cheat the hell out of the PC version. The choice then comes down to PS3 or 360, which isn't really a choice, since it will unfortunately run better on the 360. I HATE to say that, since it only runs better because it runs on compression tech. Compression always has run better on the 360, and it's because it's designed for the 360 and ported to the PS3. PS3 runs better with more protocols, more space, etc., especially because it can store those 1080p textures and then run the games without having any performance issues. Since the games utilize more GPU on the 360, the PS3 tends to have lower performance, since most of those protocols have to be completely translated to CPU power on the PS3 (which we all know the PS3 has a ridiculous amount of). Not many developers want to deal with that though, since it's a difficult process. They've said the tech is "alien," but that's only because 360 development is similar to PC development. Not everyone runs off CELL processors. Since I have both consoles, it's a no-brainer, and the 360 getting the exclusive content first makes my PS3 side pissed the fuck off, but sadly defines my 360 purchase. I'll be getting the game on PC, and will end up pouring more man-hours into it than any other game in the history of... well, ever... at least in my lifetime. Obviously you can expect brilliant mod support. I can't even begin to imagine how beautiful Skyrim will become with all the mods people will create.
It can be 5 discs for all I care, just take my money and let me play it!
Definitely getting this on the PC.
Being on 5 discs would defeat the purpose of the game being an open-world game. How would you even make an open-world on 5 discs anyway? You would have to divide the game on 5 different sections. But these Elder Scroll games don't use CGI or pre-rendered stuff nor uncompressed audio files and these are the kind of things that take lots of space.
one disc on 360 is very impressive
@bozebo Games arent that big just worthless games with 10 hours of cutscenes need alot of room. Elder scrolls doesnt have alot of cut scenes and those are done mostly in game so its not a issue for them. But im getting the pc version anyway because of the mods and new single player that the mod community makes are great. I hate that fact that i played the last one on console so much now.
Guess you didn't hear the news that it fits on one disc? http://www.ripten.com/2011/...
Still don't see the issue with multiple discs. It was certainly present in the PS1 days. It never bothered me then and it doesn't bother me now. I'll just get whatever version is best. Could care less about how many discs it's on.
There was also no cross game chat on PS1 and it never bothered anyone but now people cry for it.
The horse and buggy guy said a similar thing when the automobile was invented.
@KingSlayer Terrible analogy really. If you are concerned with getting off the couch every 10-20hrs to swap a disc which takes all of 5 seconds then you have other problems to worry about.
the issue with multiple discs? yeah... try royalties.
What do royalties have to do with getting off the couch and enjoying a game even though it's on more than one disc?
Cross game chat is a feature that stands out, also a luxury. There are only a handful of games that come on multiple disc this gen.
Disc swapping would only be an issue in an open world game, like GTA or elder scrolls. Because you might have to change discs to go back to places over and over.
Disc swapping would be ahuge issue if ps3 had it.
One disc on the 360 with new very efficient engine design and development. Works great on the new 10 gig 360 discs. Game has epic scale, much better graphics and is bigger than past games in the series. Looks phenomenal watching the demos. Trying to make issue of multi discs hoping to champion one version as superior being on one disc *then* spinning the fact the devs have achieved a superior solution in space management as negative shortcuts is moronic. The game was built from the ground up from the start to achievie a much better game (the best running and looking in the genre) with a efficient space management method. The number of discs isn't a afterthought but the goal. The devs are more pleased with the scale and the amount of processing on screen at once with the game on 360 than the discs used. The devs are obviously proud they can run the game's worlds on the 360 as close to the PC version as they can hense the boasting of the 360 version. This game looks like it takes an abnormal amount of RAM. I keep hearing hating fanboys say now that the game is on one disc on 360(PC too?) The game doesn't live up to its potential graphically. As if this wasn't the goal in the first place. There are other factors that com into play besides space with open world games like memory and GPU etc. It's fanboy logic to wish the 360 version has more than one disc trying to claim a one-up victory over the 360 version then turn around and claim something is wrong with the game when the devs work hard on a superior solution that robs fanboys of anti 360 fodder. It's no surprise the 360 excels with open world games.
bubbles for the well said post.
Actually its not bigger then any of the past games.Its the same size as the last one which is currently the smallest Elder Scroll game.
Uh oh, watch out you are in direct opposition to the opinion of most N4G.com users. I hope your bubbles can survive the assault...
@ghaleon1980 you weren't talking to me where you In truth its going to be the smallest Elder Scroll game.Mainly because the terrain. http://gamingbolt.com/elder...
@Dark_king: No I wasn't talking to you. :)
he wasn;t talking to you he was playing the sad little victim card. Although not as obvious as others.
the story and game play will be the same on all so why bicker over graphics,X amount of discs and enjoyment. just thought i would add this though....PC FTW. bwahahahahaha
hmm this talk of looking great on Xbox 360 hope the PS3 version is not lacking like previous bethesda games..i want to get the PS3 version but scared now of inferior product.
this is looking ominous for the ps3, i hope is doesnt look like shit(fallout 3) because i just wont buy it. i dont care how good the gameplay is, just cant have nasty graphics to look at for hours upon hours.
I'll be getting it on PC and installing it regardless of how many discs. :)
Yeah Ill be getting it for pc, I have a ps3 also but I really wanna experience this game to the max. Built a new gaming pc for b3 and it was the best decision ever cause I can enjoy all the multiplats on it now too.
This game is meant to be played on PC. Can't wait to see it in DX11 with Mods.
ugh who cares about system wars this game is going to be epic for everyone
I like that they haven't shown any PC footage (or at least mostly X360) I'll be very happy with either console version, and just not think about what PC looks like. Ignorance is blitz!!!
I am getting it on PS3. I do that with my multiplat games. It's a new engine so I am sure it will run much better than the Gamebryo. Regardless of the console this is a cant miss game. I havent seen the PS3 version, but the 360 version looks incredible. I cant believe how great it looks and how much content is packed into one disc. holy cow thats impressive.
@ Battle Torn "Ignorance is blitz"?
Amen brotha. F system wars.
It's always these Ps3 fanboy ninjas that try to throw in "Ps3" into every freaking N4G article. I enjoy reading the comments because there are some intelligent people that can have a good conversation about games on this site "News 4 Gamers". However about 70% of the time there is always someone bringing up the Ps3 in an Xbox 360 or P.C article and that gets very annoying. They talk about the superior graphics, being able to fit games into one disk "Blue Ray" and always feel like they have to mention Uncharted, Killzone, or God of War. Then they attack anyone who speaks their mind with dislikes thinking that it would have an effect IRL. But then when P.C gamers comes in they act like graphics doesn't really matter because they know that the graphics on the P.C embarrass those on the PS3. I have a Ps3, 360, and recently built a pc to get ready for games like Battlefield 3 and Skyrim, but between the 360 and PS3 I prefer the 360 because It is a better overall system (don't get me started about the Ps3 online). So I'm going to stop here because I've already expressed what I feel about the site and I don't care if anyone agrees or not.
Skyrim is my most anticipated game, don't get me wrong, but would everyone agree that RAGE is Bethseda's best visually looking game.
They are only publishing that game. id created Rage.
It's still Bethesda's game.
Bethesda does not own RAGE. ID does. Bethesda will only help distribute the product. Nothing more and nothing less. Bethesda and ID became business partners. ID creates and owns RAGE while Bethesda just distributes.
@ WetN00dle69 Bethesda and id Software are both owned by ZeniMax Media. Bethesda is simply serving as the publisher for its brother/sister company id.
A publisher has all or attempts to have all the rights to a work done by a developer. They don't just distribute and market the game, they reap more profits from it than the developer. Publishers pay for the work of the game to be done just like writers receive pay for their work from a publisher to wrote a book and finish it. That money must be paid back. Publishers usually maintain copyrights. Microsoft owns the halo brand. It will never appear on a console that Microsoft does not want it on. Another example, mass effect. ME 2, and 3 are owned by EA. So yes, Rage is more likely, than not owned by bethesda. Legally they can walk around and say it is their game.
They are correct , but the article said Bethseda not Bethseda Gemes studios....
Not according to what is said here in this article. http://n4g.com/news/833174/...
@quicksilver2011 I agree about the Ps3 control. The original sixaxis was the worst idea for a control ever. Yeah it looked the same as the past Ps2 and Ps1 controller but it was light as fuck. How is a grown man suppose to use that. And the analog is the worst for Fps games. I had to stop playing BfBc2 just because I couldn't use that damn control. The Dualshock added weight which was a big improvement but by then it was too late. I began using my 360 more and my Ps3 collected dust.
This great look is universal. Nothing unique to the X360 version - Bethesda always knew how to build spectacular games tailored to every platform, be it PC or consoles
Yeah, except for, you know, the ugly graphics, poor tech, countless bugs (which i find endless enjoyment from) bad voice acting... I love Bethesda, but you can't really ignore all the stuff they have been bad in.
Ugly graphics? What planet do you live on? Back in 2006 when it came out Oblivion the best looking open world game, if not the best overall looking game. Same can probably be said about their previous titles in the ES series. Voice acting and bugs I won't argue about, but non linear RPGs have a tendency to sprout more bugs then linear games, especially ones built on top of new impressive tech.
@Humbleopinion Yeah but both Fallouts were seriously ugly.
The bugs in elder scrolls games are a plus they usally make you fly or give you free gold or items. There arent many bugs that hurt the players i refuse to update elder scrolls now because i like the bugs they are fun.
Wait, what? I have yet to play a Bethesda game that isn't buggy as hell. I mean, I have high hopes for Skyrim and all, but there is nothing in Bethesda's track record to give me any confidence that this game will be any different.
fallout titles on the ps3 were buggy as hell, if the game didnt run at less than 15 frames a second it would freeze, you only got 30 FPS for maybe a couple minutes at most.
In 2006 it was pretty good until you actually got to look at things. I mainly was talking about the textures and character models. And i know an open world game like what they make are going to have some funny bugs, but it's the game breaking bugs that got people worried.
Let's hope these guys can do a good job and get all versions up to par so all gamers can enjoy what is sure to be a great game.
I dunno...Fallout series on PS3 was especially buggy.
360 ver for me. I wouldnt care if it was on 15 disk. I swear some of u will make up anything just to give one console a so called advantage. A good game is a good game weather its multi disk or a mandatory install.
It's 1 disk. They took the content out of all 3 versions so it will fit on a silly 9GB dvd of course, otherwise M$ would get angry at them.
I no its 1 disk i was making a point. Ppl seem to get all caught up in the multi disk vs mandatory install war and seem to forget whats really important. FUN!
Its funny how people assume devs are tripping all over themselves to spend more time and money to add content to games because the additional storage is there. Games are $60 regardless of how many gigs of space they take up. Why would a developer waste resources to make games longer without getting something in return? This is why we see paid DLC. I would love to get more for my $60, but I'm old enough to understand why it doesn't happen. It's not DVD9 holding devs back, it's money. If you dont think that's true, feel free to let us know why Sony first parties aren't making games that maximize the available technology. -Death
"Why would a developer waste resources to make games longer without getting something in return?" Because Devs have a vision of what they want to acheive. And yes, they do trip over themselves to make sure that vision is fulfilled. You never waste resources doing something you love. I don't get why people are so bent up on money these days. That is not living. "Sony first parties aren't making games that maximize the available technology." Have you not seen any of their first party games?
You know what is ironic with your statement bozebo? All those "large" Blu Ray games that take up 40+ gigs of space is not all contributed to actual content you can play. Most of that space is used for UNCOMPRESSED AUDIO and 1080p cut scenes. Actually game play data is around 10gigs or less. If this were not true, then games like KZ3, Uncharted 2/3, God of War 3 and RFOM series would have more playable content and the length of those games would be double or triple...However they are not...That tells you something right there. All that extra space is NOT being used for actual game content you can play, but for uncompressed Audio and cuts cenes (which by the way I like) And it's definitely not helping out for advanced high resolution textures as that has to do more with the systems RAM and Bandwidth