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Submitted by Mister_V 1630d ago | opinion piece

Killcams in Battlefield 3 - An Unwelcome Feature?

"In a recent Q&A session with DICE representatives at GameCon 2011, it was confirmed that a kill cam feature would indeed be included in Battlefield 3. This has been a hot topic among gamers and I can see why." - MP1st (Battlefield 3, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

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xtremexx  +   1630d ago
i like killcams, but then again as soon as i get killed i jump straight into the game again and thats deffinatelly what im going to do in Battlefield 3 :D
Criminal  +   1630d ago
Same here, I only watch the killcam when I want to double check that it was a fair fight. (e.g. connection lag) Or, when the enemy is camping with a sniper and I wanna figure out where they are.
zeddy  +   1630d ago
me too, you have to see that killcam just to check if you got screwed over or if it was fair. doesnt really matter though, you still got killed.
PinchoVe  +   1630d ago
I ALWAYS watched the killcams. I actually think it helped my game. You can get a lot of information beyond just who killed you and how. You can sometime spot claymores, other players close by, the perks he uses, weapon attachments. Plus it gives you a few seconds to cool off if you get pissed.

Usually when i canceled the killcam it was because i wanted to blindly rush the guy in revenge, which would get me killed. Collecting yourself and thinking your strategy always gives better results.

At least that's how i played with my mantra of "Be smart"
Wenis  +   1630d ago
Killcam AKA teabag cam.
Dee_91  +   1630d ago
i prefer killcams over that time respawn junk
Blaine  +   1629d ago

And that is EXACTLY why I hate killcams. Don't get me wrong, I respect you for doing your homework! But I don't think someone who was bested in a firefight should get the benefit of being able to spot, in death, the things you mention. It's even more unfair to snipers, since it's vital for them not to be located--a killcam immediately gives that up as soon as they kill someone, who can then broadcast his position to their team.
JellyJelly  +   1629d ago
I stopped playing Black-Ops because of the connection lag kills. I have a very good connection but got killed by players who weren't visible on my screen. Then on the killcam they were right in front of me. Things like that never happened in BFBC2.
starchild  +   1629d ago
I have mixed feelings about killcams. They help you if you are the one getting killed, but they can hurt your game if you are the one doing the killing.
gamesmaster  +   1629d ago
i take it that Hardcore mode won't include the killcam amongst the usual other things.

so the choice is there, i can't really see this being a bad thing.
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Heartnet  +   1629d ago
Dude when u die its not anybodys fault but ur own im sorry :)
NatureOfLogic  +   1630d ago
I want real Killcams(first person view Killcam) that's why Im buying MW3, well that and the other things that COD brings.

I thought people wanted BF3 to be less like COD, why not add killstreaks while you at it.
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AdmiralSnake  +   1630d ago
You're being way too dramatic. COD is known for its killstreaks, BF3 doesn't need killstreaks all because they got 1 idea from COD, also COD didn't invent Killcams... I'm pretty positive of that, they just made it more known.
Criminal  +   1630d ago
I play both CoD and BF series, and I like both for different reasons. BFBC2 has the 3rd person killcam system and I think that works too.

I don't think "real killcams" should be the deciding factor in whether you buy bf3 or not, you putting too much weight on this issue.
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Chocoboh  +   1630d ago
Battlefield 2:Mordern Combat's kill cams worked just fine and they weren't stupid like CoD
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rdgneoz3  +   1629d ago
"also COD didn't invent Killcams... I'm pretty positive of that, they just made it more known."
Was curious about that and found that list of games on Giantbomb. If the list is correct, then the first game to have a killcam was a Battlefield game :P. So then COD would be the one doing the copying.
gamesmaster  +   1629d ago
don't understand why you got the disagree, it seems Battlefield 1942 was the first game to use killcam back in december 2002
meetajhu  +   1629d ago
You can have 10 heli in air on battlefield. In cod "Airspace is full" just for 2 air units. And cod motivates players to camp for killstreaks while battlefield everyone has to defend a location. The only thing great about cod is the 60fps and controller response which is why console players make it a success.
fullmetal297  +   1629d ago
Battlefield 1942 never used a killcam. The first game to use a killcam was Call of Duty 1 for the PC.
gamesmaster  +   1629d ago
well in 1942 the camera would zoom out above your position and pan over to the action showing you where it happened, so the concepts are similar.
Heartnet  +   1629d ago
Dw BFBC Fanboys will let dice do anything before they start hating :) This game cud be exactly the same as CoD and theyd still be in denial about it :)

Just let em change their opinion when dice do it and hate CoD developers when they do :)
Heartnet  +   1629d ago

I Lold at ur comment and the contradictions it entailed :)

"And cod motivates players to camp for killstreaks while battlefield everyone has to defend a location"

Whose not to say taht the guy camping wasnt defending that location? Jeez just cuz the AI tells u ur defending doesnt make it different from camping :) and here i thought CoD were the less immature of the 2 8-)
princejb134  +   1629d ago
wow this is one of the features that shouldn't be included in the game, how is a sniper suppose to be stealth if they show where he is going to be
Sony360  +   1629d ago
I hate killcam. Not only do I hate watching myself get killed, but it encourages teabagging.

Good thing this aint COD.
Persistantthug  +   1629d ago
I'm sort of indifferent about the killcam...
My issue has always been the MINIMAP.....I hate it.
I prefer realism in my games, and there's no such thing as an always on minimap.

That's why I play hardcore only.
Heartnet  +   1629d ago
Theres no such ting as a guy holding a machine gun and a rocket launcher either and shoot it on the run but hey :)
Persistantthug  +   1629d ago
I'm not following....Since when can you not hold a machine gun and/or a rocket launcher.
and in BFBC2, when you shoot, you stop running.

Just sayin.

But yeah....not having the minimap always on, it adds a level of "intense'ness" when you walk around corners and don't know what's there. Feel's almost real.
Try it.
GasTankKiller  +   1630d ago
I don't mind killcams. If I'm playing on normal mode I welcome killcams. However, if I'm playing hardcore mode I don't want the killcam.

For people that don't like killcams there's generally always a hardcore mode.
Mister_V  +   1630d ago
I'm pretty sure they've stated that there won't be kill cams in the hardcore mode. And you can turn it off in normal mode.
TheBeast  +   1630d ago
Always good to have a option.
Spenok  +   1628d ago
My thoughts exactly. Well said.
gravemaker  +   1630d ago
i like killcams because this is good thing against campers(you always know where your killer was)
GamerPS360  +   1630d ago
not always.
Mister_V  +   1630d ago
I just hope that we don't have to rely on the kill cam. I hope DICE did a good enough job with the whole scope glint feature. Those wookies better be easy to spot.
GasTankKiller  +   1630d ago
Lets just say the "sun" works in your favor. Well if you don't get hit by them
DanSolo  +   1629d ago
Yeah when Wookies get their camp on they can be tough to spot.... and with prone added to the mix it will be tougher so the scope glint should help...

I am glad prone is added though, it was always a bit annoying to me that highly trained soldiers couldn't lay down.... lol
Sandmano  +   1630d ago
killcam nice but not nessary.
jocomat9  +   1630d ago
Agreed that's why they have the option to turn it off 8)
HaMM4R  +   1629d ago
I dunno, I played the alpha and alot of the time you would be killed constantly from no where and TBH it gets pretty annoying so i like the idea of killcams. (obviosly not in hardcore mode.)
Nitrowolf2  +   1630d ago
It kind of good sometimes and others not.
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AO1JMM  +   1630d ago
I think they should stay. Keep it in and just have a HARDCORE mode for those that do not like killcams.
Criminal  +   1630d ago
Exactly in line with my thinking. I'd rather have the option to play a mode with or without Killcams.
Ja555on  +   1630d ago
Well what would you prefer the BFBC2 Killcam or the COD Killcam
Hufandpuf  +   1630d ago
BFBC2, it made the game feel more cinematic.
MidnytRain  +   1630d ago
I'd prefer BFBC2 - it worked just fine, I think. The problem with replay killcams is that it's not always as helpful as the regular killcams. It's often better to know where an enemy is headed rather than where he was.
theonlylolking  +   1630d ago
COD WAYYYY MORE. If I am sniping in BFBC2 they know the exact area I am in. If I was sniping in BFBC2 with the COD killcam then they would have to know the map pretty well to know where I am located.
Ja555on  +   1630d ago
It's because of people like you why we want the BFBC2 Killcam, like what MidnytRain said, we don't want snipers camping, now GTFO of our battlefield games and go ruin something else, preferably COD, where you belong.
DeadIIIRed  +   1630d ago
Ja555on, what are snipers supposed to do then? It does make me mad though when half the team sits in the bushes while the enemies plant charges. They need to just make that class a load out you have to find on the map.
Chocoboh  +   1630d ago

don't play with randoms then.. problem solved
princejb134  +   1629d ago
@ Ja555on are you serious?snipers are suppose to camp, This isn't a fake call of duty game where they just run around quick scoping everyone
Hufandpuf  +   1630d ago
Killcam, fine. It worked well in BFBC2.
fooxy  +   1630d ago
Play hardcore :D no kill cams no spotting !
ddurand1  +   1630d ago
playing anything other than hardcore is intolerable.
3GenGames  +   1630d ago
Totally. I hope to god that they mean in normal mode snipers need at least 2 shots the the body, because if that's the hardcore mode's way of working, 3 shots in regular would be a joke.

I think most people play hardcore especially because if they chose to snipe, it's one shot on kill. I don't snipe much, but when I do, I prefer not to get hit markers with a .50 cal to the chest. >.>
DanSolo  +   1629d ago
@ 3gen

I would imagine in hardcore mode that the sniper will kill with just 1 shot, as it is meant to be hardcore and there is nothing hardcore about a .50 cal round in the chest only causing a flesh wound! lol
sovietsoldier  +   1630d ago
i happy they made it be able to be turned off for classic matches.
trenso1  +   1630d ago
BFBC2 killcam ill prabobly just turn it off anyways still good for options
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RAmar101  +   1630d ago
Well MOH was a pain when you hit campers it pisses me off, killcams are just fine
Hitman0769  +   1630d ago
killcams will prove whether or not the game is broken.
_Q_  +   1630d ago
Very unwelcome but i'm still buying it.
xc7x  +   1630d ago
killcams are for people with no skill. they need assist to find people,i.e..casual gamer. go play hello kitty and get out of my game.
SP3333D-O  +   1630d ago
Glad to hear it! Those too "skilled" for killcams can stick to hardcore.
xc7x  +   1630d ago
haha,here's a wuss gamer,need game assist to help find someone who owns 'em,haha
Anti-Fanboyer  +   1630d ago
There's a reason why they have hardcore modes.
DJLIVENYC  +   1630d ago
I Like The Way MOH Is So I Say No To Kill Cams Im Still Buying Tho
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DanSolo  +   1629d ago
I likE thE waY yoU capitalisE thE firsT letteR oF everY worD loL
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ChipChipperson  +   1630d ago
Meh I rather there not be killcam. If it does stay however I really don't care either way, I always play hardcore mode anyway. I just hope this isn't DICE's way of making a game more 'accessible' to people who may have difficulty playing it. I own a console and I know the PC fan base of Battlefield have expectations for this game to be on the level if not better than Battlefield 2. I just hope DICE appeals more to those fans than to people who aren't familiar with gameplay of the series and just got into Battlefield from the Bad Company series.

I do agree killcam does have very useful advantages such as seeing if a guy is cheating or not and spotting campers, but for people who have stealth tactics well it kinda just makes it pointless for them. They can go behind enemy lines, destroy enemy equipment and heavy armor. I mean a big tactical advantage that can help your team advanced and push the other team back is ruined just because some guy observed you on killcam and knows your location is within their base. I just think more players need to be more attentive to detail and know what's going on around them in the game. It just comes down to situational awareness. Either way, if they keep it in or not I have no doubt that it will be a great game and that it most likely won't affect the overall fun factor of it's gameplay.
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TheObserver  +   1630d ago
I don't like kill cams and I prefer them off. All it does it give the opponent information about how you play, camping or not. As Sun Tzu said "Know yourself and know your enemy, you will be undefeated." It is just a handicap for the loser is what I think of it.
bozebo  +   1630d ago
Seen your comments around.

inB4 you a bubble somewhere for being intelligent.
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MARKUS_MAX1MUS  +   1630d ago
The BF2:MC i thought had the best kill cam system ive seen in a game,

The kill cam panned out from your corpse and pointed in the direction of the enemy and followed them slightly allowing you a rough idea of where they were, allowing them to retain their tactical position but also giving you a tactical idea of where they could possibly be.

For me this was the most balanced because it meant you could easily tri angulate snipers IF you were smart enough to do so.
bozebo  +   1630d ago
this ^

Loads of games do that though.
But it's not a killcam, that is a deathcam.

A killcam is a replay of how you died.

If I get an amazing shot on some guy, I want them to see it - likewise if somebody gets an amazing shot on me.
artdafoo  +   1630d ago
Killcams are a crutch, they're there to help the poor little guy who just got killed and everyone on here who likes them admits admit it. It's instant gratification of knowing where and who he Is. Nothing is more noob freindly than a killcam. Hardcore all the way.
gamesmaster  +   1629d ago
i agree however there is a sense of gratification in knowing that your opponent can see you kill him across the map using a random tomahawk lob.

so its a crutch and an ego boost haha
ZILLA  +   1630d ago
it makes for some EPIC moments in the middle of action.if you dont like kill cam,play hardcore mode.
bozebo  +   1630d ago
I'll be playing on PC so if it becomes an issue I will just find a server that has them turned off.
Mister_V  +   1630d ago
Consoles will get selectable servers... but I wonder if any of them will have different/custom settings.
bozebo  +   1630d ago
That would be great, but consoles are not an open platform so it means that Sony/MS and DICE/EA have to approve first... Very little chance of MS or EA allowing it.

All gaming platforms should be open tbh, it would be better for everyone - though the console stakeholders want to be able to control how their platform is used so they can make as much money as possible through it - not caring at all about the end-users as long as they are happy to pay for it.
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user858621  +   1630d ago
the only complainers are campers
SITH  +   1630d ago
The only supporters are idiots who run n gun.
SITH  +   1630d ago
Kill cams are good for luring back the nut who just has to get revenge. Other than that if they were gone, I wouldn't miss them.
3GenGames  +   1630d ago
No matter what type of killcam, weather it be 1st person, 3rd, panning from your body, good players will destroy you. No matter where you're at with any killcam, they will know your position to the inch. Even if there's no killcam, if you kill me from the front, I will know where you are just by your tracer exactly, too.

I welcome them, but if you need to study or even look at them to get kills anyway and find the position on your enemy, you won't bother me. Despite your advantage, because you're not good enough to kill me anyway if you can't instantly know where I am just from the bullets hitting you in the face, I will destroy you. You may get a couple kills, but I'll get 2 for every 1 you get at least. Bring it. Killcams don't matter if you need them anyway. I speak for all good gamers out there. Sometimes kill cams get annoying, but overall the ones that will prevail won't be the ones using them.
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Hazmat13  +   1629d ago
im hayped up for the storyline than BF3 multiplayer. is that bad? same with MW3 im not gonna play multiplayer i logged over week in the Mw2 storyline not be great but still fun to play. and with bf3 earthquake that gonna be intense battle shooting a gun from a tilting building and watch it fall.
retrofly  +   1629d ago
Hey why not add more COD features :).
Everyone complains about COD, but when they start adding the same features to BF everyones overjoyed. :)
gcolley  +   1629d ago
b4 cod
Undeadwolfy  +   1629d ago
If you were paying attention you would see that theres a good mix of those who are for killcams and those against. Get out of this BF article and quit trolling.
SuperbVillain  +   1629d ago
the things people complained about in COD were the weapon balancing issues and shotty hit boxes
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