Current-gen hardware still has more to give, argues Insomniac
ofc,and that's why we don't need new gen!
Come on! How much can you squeeze the ps3. a 2006 tech? The ps3 is ancient Tech by now, you need new hardware to ACTUALLY improve the graphics above and beyond what we see now. Come on, don't you want to see GOW IV in all the new ps4 glory? Don't you want to be blown away just like you did the first time you played killzone 2?
because idk you dont run a game as well as it could be on your first game theres a reason why we had a jump from uncharted to uncharted 2 infamous to infamous 2 and that is optimization there could be a another jump from infamous 2 if sucker punch created another one for ps3 since they said they were govering around 60 percent with infamous 2 you on the other hand would rather jump from system to system as soon as some new hardware comes out i think you would be better off on pc where you cna upgrade your graphics card when ever you want to get any kind of jump in graphics you want me since i have a console id rather see every dev at least attempt to make there games push the system but not every dev does this they would rather just run the game on the system and if they hardware it self cant meet what they are trying o do they just complain about the hardware instead of looking at there software
I kinda agree with you dark-hollow. Tech moves too fast and I'd LOVE to see what PS4 would be able to achieve if PS3 can produce such high quality graphice. Having said that, I however believe that devs can tweak their games even more. Remember how some of the best looking PS2 games came out late in PS2 lifecycle? Devs have now hopefully understood PS3 more than ever before and if they say that they can do even better then that's a great thing! Look at the difference between Uncharted 1 and then Uncharted 2 and now Uncharted 3. Many people will argue that there ain't a huge difference in between U2 and U3 but to me, there is a considerable amount of difference there. Naughty Dogs have done an absolutely mind blowing job with Uncharted 3 imagine what they'll be able to do with PS4! That's why I'd love to see a new console announcement but that doesn't mean that SONY will not support PS3. Would I buy PS4 day one? I hardly think so especially if it is priced at $599 or $499. Price it $399 or $349... that gentlemen will be a totally different story! :)
So you suggest the next gen should be delayed till every developer max out the current consoles??? uncharted 3, killzone 3 and GOW III already showed us a supreme demonstration of what the machine is capable of. If, and that a BIG if, there was any major update in graphics, the developer will be forced to cut some corners. Decreasing the enemies on screen, low textures with high amounts of blur etc. If you love infamous 2 just imagine what they could do with infamous 3 if it was released for the ps4. Probably 100+GB blue ray disk which allow for massive landscapes. Full hd running at solid 60fps with high res textures. More advanced AI and more high detailed enemies on the screen. Massive draw distance. Etc.
@nickjkl well said- bubbles how do you only have two bubbles? @dark hallow he never said till every dev maxes the ps3 just til more start taking advantage of what it does well...I do honestly think the place suited for you is steam etc you only mentioned 3 games you think take true advantage of the ps3 which is sort of correct and why i want more from this gen
I'm still a fan of 2006 tech:D
We've had some amazng graphics this gen so far but yet ai is not at the level it should be in most games. Ai should be improved as a priority. Therefore, devs put the emphasis on ai rather than graphics. If you want fancy graphics, go outside and look up at the sky.
I get what you saying and I understand why some people want this gen to last a lil bit longer. For me, am totally ready for next gen. Better looking games are always welcomed but totally upgraded graphics is more welcomed!
@Dark The only thing people want out of the new console generation is better graphics. This console generation indeed has its graphics potential (almost) maxed out, what hasn't been maxed out is the potential for better game design. Also this is the time where you can see the real great developers come out and make great games with limited hardware. Even a master artist can make works of art with just left over lunch :)....by the way I'm referring to Picasso if you're wondering who did it.
***Come on, don't you want to see GOW IV in all the new ps4 glory? Don't you want to be blown away just like you did the first time you played killzone 2?*** I'm very content with this generation of graphics. As for the future, I don't want to pay a lot for it and I don't want to see the cost of games increase more than they are now.
you bastards! Dont prolong the next gen any more. I need my true super ultra high def fix with new ps4/720 hardware. The other day it was stated that the ps4 will come out when devs have maxed it out. Just say you maxed it out already so we can move on to something mind blowing.
Yes, that's why their game is sub-HD. If there is so much more to get out of the PS3 then why don't they make Resistance 3 run at 60fps? Why don't they at least make it run at 720p resolution? Every piece of hardware can always be pushed more, but there is a limit to what can realistically be achieved.
This^^^It's silly what they're claiming and they aren't even pushing any boundaries compared to the others.
well, i see we have someone else blathering on about 60 fps in games that DON'T NEED IT. only games with speed will show off the benefits of 60fps. as for resistence being sub HD? the game isn't out yet - and all of the gameplay vids i've seen look gorgeous. there's a reason why you 2 have 1 bubble.....think about it.
All games benefit from higher framerates.
Resistance 3 IS running at 60fps.... (I think)
@ beavis4play I agree with you. There are plenty of games that are under a 720p resolution and yet still look great. You are also right again about 60fps only being noticable with fast, quick moving motions. However what is not making any sense is for Insomniac to be saying that the PS3 can be pushed even further yet they are bringing a game that is under 720p resolution and is running under 60fps. Why are they saying that the PS3 can be pushed further but not really trying to make the attempt to do it? It's like they are just leaving it up to the other developers such as Naughty Dog and Guerrilla games to push the hardware while they sit back and make a game that has 1 colour pallet and is not on the same graphical level as many other titles at this stage in gaming on these consoles? I think Insomniac are vetran developers and know what they are doing. R1 to me was a better game than R2, but R2 did look better imo than R1. What I don't understand is that why is R3 so boring to look at. So much brown and yellow while R2 had so much more colour. Well my fingers are crossed for Insomniac. I am liking what they are doing with their new IP.
@starchild You could say the same for any Dev, take Naughty Dog for example, why did they release Uncharted: Drake's Fortune like they did when graphics like Uncharted 2/3 were possible?... BECAUSE.. it takes time to refine their current engine and the same revision applies to each updated engine.. Its a learning process that takes time and that goes on every day, with every game dev's will learn something that will assist in future productions, engine refinement etc!
First, I haven't played the R3 campaign, yet. Beta, yes, but not the campaign. That said, we (at least I) would want to hold off before I make a judgement on R3s visuals. What the videos show, though, R3 is heavily improved over R2. While it looses resolution, the details, lightning, physics (wind!), I would even say AI, animation is way above what R2 was. So, yes, you can improve. It is not all in the resolution and framerate. And, well, stable 30fps will do for me.
well we didnt see anything special graphically from resistance 1-3 lol just look at killzone 3 resistance visual become a joke.
...did you know that smoking cigarettes can in fact cause cancer? Yes, and did you know that Resistance 3 isn't running at 1280x720p natively, but 960x704p? They can keep pushing more out of it because they still have: 1) The ability to reduce the resolution so the game continues to look crappier and crappier and... 2) Space on that blu-ray disc. They're using space and CPU protocols versus GPU protocols, and that leaves plenty of room to push more textures and objects on screen. However, the GPU is outdated and needs to lower the resolution considerably so that it only runs in sub-HD. By pushing more out of it, they reduce the resolution and texture quality on screen until they can't drop it anymore without reducing clarity, which is at 600p. Games at 1080p on console aren't really 1080p. They're just rendering the polys at 1080p, but the textures remain at whatever quality they are by default. These consoles aren't capable of any more, stop deluding yourselves, we need a new damn generation. What the hell are they putting in your water? The more you know :D
Insomniac obviously can't. Resistance 3's beta is REALLY ugly. Give Resistance to a more talented developer.
great keep on pushing until this gen is done :)
Like Sisyphus pushing a boulder.
I believe them. Anyone seen the latest R3 videos? Best looking FPS on the PS3 imo.
Killzone 2/3 is way better IMO, and it's 720p
"I believe them. Anyone seen the latest R3 videos?" Have you played the beta? It's a mess. Sub-HD, ghosting out the rear, lag and framerate drops working in tandem to make moments of unplayablity.... It's a definite downgrade from Resistance 2.
Pah. Insomniac might be able to keep pushing it because they haven't reached the levels that Guerilla & Naughty Dog have. There's not much life left in the PS3 for groundbreaking new graphics. PS4 next year hopefully.
It doesn't have to better and better. If all (!) games can actually deliver those visuals in the next 2-3 years to come, I am good with that. We can start focusing on gameplay, finally.
Here we go again with another on of these............
Even if the Hardware is older compared to current PC System you can still squeeze out Power from the PS3. The Games on PS3 look amazing. This coming from a PC Gamer. I like that they take on the Physics on Uncharted 3. Because viusally it's already on a level that other consoles can't reach. And now the animations and physics need to be improved and then it's the only Game on consoles that can mess with PC Games.
I'm sure they can push it, and ollieboy yes it's a great looking game at a very low rez. That's what saddens me the most. 960x704 like WTF.
Thats great, hopefully they make a R4 or some kind of successor to the franchise instead of passing it off to another devopler that won't be as familiar with their toos.
The only two devs I believe can push the PS3 the more out of anybody else is ND and Sony Santa Monica.
what about sucker punch why do they not get credit for infamous 2 and guerilla games dice are also pushing it although to what degree is unknown due to the way they are making the game which is completely opposite of what guerrilla games did GG=post processing on spu while rsx did everything else dice=doing post processing on gpu while spu does mostly everything else and polyphony digital did an amazing job
Then do it a bit more with Resistance 3 Insomniac, I'm pretty sure you guys can do it just like GG and ND.
there is nothing left to push my friend
Wait how do you know this are you a game developer??IF no please kindly stfu thank you:D. No one on this site knows that other than the game developers.
in fact i didnt say that other devs say that
The best looking PS2 games came at the end. Why shouldn't we expect the same for the PS3?
The game is sub hd and he says that LOL
There is only so much you can push with 5 year old tech and 512 megs of ram. In the end if you improve in one area of a game on these consoles, you have to take away from another area because of small amounts of RAM, Bandwidth and processing limitations. It's the reason all console games have a mixture of high and low resolution textures and usage post production AA instead of MSSA and more implementations of LDR and NAO32 instead of HDR, and SUBHD resolutions and 30fps for 99% of games released. Developers can push more for the PS3, but when they do, they have to sacrifice other areas of the game to do so or use lower effects... It is time for new consoles.
@qwertyz: Of course the Games you mentioned are ahead of console-technology. But I still think Uncharted is a series that can mess with PC Games in the same resolution. Look at the textures in Uncharted 2 or even 1 and look a the animations. It's a great engine and far ahead of the Unreal Engine on consoles for example. Gears 3 knows to impress but it still has that "unreal" touch while Uncharted goes a more realistic way. And dude PC is superior but that's clear for everyone. Show some respect! What they've been achieving on PS3 technically is very impressive.
I dont' think either console is maxed out...hell even the PS2 could probably be made to do more now today than it could when the PS3 was launched. BUT... its getting tougher for developers to maximize what these current gen consoles can do and in 1 to 2 yrs time it will be even harder. New hardware will alleviate alot of the more simple growing pains devs are feeling... not having enough RAM being a chief area of frustration that just need not be in this day and age when RAM is about as cheap as it gets.
@Dlacy13g i agree entirely but its not just the consoles that have maxed out i think that devs ideas have maxed out so before the next gen comes they need to put more effort into making better longer lasting games with more satisfying game-play not just 5 hours and then multi-player to compensate for a poor single player experience. they should look back at things like Mario or Zelda or even doom or RPG games from the past to see how games should be made. i am not saying all of today's games are short but there does seem to be a growing trend especially in Fps games to rip gamers off with DLC stories saying they could`nt fit it on the disc. anyway i`m happy with the current hardware at the moment but would not mind a new gen to surface in the next year or two.
Well duh PS3 has a very flexible hardware architecture that allows developers to optimize even more by using both processor on different stages of the graphical workloads which helps free studios from the limitations of low-fidelity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... http://www.alphaworks.ibm.c... Rambus-Sony interview: http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Kiddies kiddies, calm down. We know you're broke and can't afford PC's. Stop whining about it or keep insisting that current consoles can do more when it's so obvious that they can't. Look at release on PC vs. console now a days at max spec vs. each other and you'll quickly find out just how outdated consoles really are.
Gotcha!!! and you thought they really meant it when they said the last game was using 100% of the PS3's power! ... us silly gamers... oh and the next game Insomniac or another Sony Dev does will push the PS3 even further with graphics rivaling a high-end 2007 PC!!! woo-hoo so now we're only 4 years behind. whatever *_*
I don't really care about having cutting edge graphics. I just want to play fun games with a good story and characters. Most developers need to make games fun enough to want to replay over and over and keep in your collection. There are only a hand full of this gen titles that allow me to do that.
idc bout graphics so much mostly art style cuz resident evil has it in spades cuz the ghx are weak but the art style makes it look unbelievably good
we have our killzone n battlefield time we just had fun
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