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Is Sony Bluffing?

Gaming Irresponsibly writes: Recently, Sony shut down all rumors of cross game chat on PS3. This upset gamers all around the world, and xbox fanboys boasted about PS3 owners never getting cross game chat on a console without owning a 360. But is Sony telling the truth? If you have been paying attention at all to any form of gaming media, companies attempt a bluff to make the announcement not as predictable or for what ever other motive they have.

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-Alpha1805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

It's proven fact that PS3 has limited RAM and that the available RAM is used by games. It simply was a short-sighted, perhaps intentional move by Sony. They never really had an endplan for PSN, they just had a free service and added things like trophies afterwards.

Some people have suspected this for a while, and others suspect that MS has a patent for console cross chat. Regardless, Sony just made it official, there is no reason to doubt them. People have predicted cross chat for every FW update and it has never happened. If Sony could, they would have a long time ago.

Questioning the PR statement by spinning it into a "What if" question is a lame attempt at making an opinion piece when the facts state otherwise. These "What if" opinion pieces have no valid arguments whatsoever yet try to title their headlines in a way that makes it sound like they have credible information. It's an incredibly annoying way to get submissions onto N4G, anybody and everybody can do it, and that's exactly what happens.

agentxk1805d ago

Read the damn story. He acknowledges that we can't see something in the capacity one would hope but that there could still be solutions.

TheBeast1805d ago

The story you wrote? ^_^

agentxk1805d ago

Nope, I just posted it. The site has 12 different writers, each with their own opinions.

-Alpha1805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

There aren't any solutions, the ones the author give have no trace of evidence. It's pure speculation and we don't need pointless spreading of non-credible fluff. These opinion pieces always spin something to make a poorly supported article and they get approved because there is really no way to put a standard on opinion pieces. Problem is that people don't read these pieces, they see the question and post away. Opinion pieces, most of the time, are glorified forum threads.

The article gives like 1 solution that the writer pulls out of his head and it directly goes against what Sony said. Anybody can speculate a "what if" scenario, but without some sort of credible information then it means nothing

IMO people need to let it go. There is no cross chat coming for the PS3. This is a dead issue, it's time to move on

Nitrowolf21805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

There nothing in the story that adds anything to the issue. It's just restating what Sony has already said and then adding a question at the end and saying he doesn't believe it with speculations of a solution. Same thing happened with backward capability. People said it would come and when Sony said it sites like this came out and said they would because they are lying and waiting to surprise us. It makes perfect sense with the RAM issue that they have supplied.

miDnIghtEr1805d ago

Good to see some Sony faithful holding out hope.

Dramscus1805d ago

Sony has been on record as saying that every os update increases the available system ram by a little bit.

I don't think it would be impossible for them to do a large os upgrade that free's up however much ram is needed for that.

Though personally I don't care. I'd rather speak to the people I'm gaming with because I generally enjoy team based games.

blumatt1805d ago

Well, the Vita has a party system and cross game chat, so I full expect the PS4 to get it, even if the PS3 never does. Might be better off to wait until the PS4 anyway, so that it will work with every game with no issues. I'd rather wait than have problems with it all the time, due to some games using more RAM than others.

thorstein1805d ago

I honestly don't want cross game chat. If it was there fine but I really don't want or need it. Especially since I would most likely use the headset to talk to the other players I am playing with.

Anon19741805d ago

I'd never use it. I've never used it on my 360, I'd never use it on my PS3. This "Cross game chat is what everyone wants," is complete BS. The PS3 owners I know and talk to usually ask "What's cross game chat? Doesn't the PS3 already have that?"

Seriously - you hit the PS3 forums anywhere and "Better web browser" will top "cross game chat" every time. We've lived without it on the PS3 for 5 years. No one is their right mind is going to say "I want to buy a PS3 and play Uncharted 3, but not if I can't carry on a conversation I can't focus on with my buddies while they play Call of Duty and yell obscenities at people playing their game."

And if hell freezes over and the PS3 somehow does get cross game chat, there had better be an option to switch it off.

lMHl1805d ago

its never going to happen agentxk just come to grips bro I wish but alphas right they would have done it ages ago if they could

SuperBeast8111805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

Um just so you know every console has "Limited" RAM lol yes xbox has more but its still limited they cant update the consoles through firmware to add more idiot lol its limited from the time the y put it IN the console LOL I think the word you were looking for was "minimal"

MrBeatdown1805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

@Alpha

"There aren't any solutions"

I don't think that's entirely accurate. When PS+ was first announced, cross game chat was listed and detailed as a feature on some official PS sites.

A Naughty Dog rep also claimed it was coming in "the next firmware update" although that never happened.

But unless Sony is writing PR for features that aren't anywhere near complete and that Naughty Dog employee is a total idiot, it makes me think Sony was at least getting close to making it happen. They've come pretty far with other features. I'm sure they've had difficulties, but I don't think cross game chat would be flat-out impossible.

I'm not expecting it, but this could just be a way of getting people off their back about it while they try, whether their attempt is success or not.

MaxXAttaxX1805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

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It won't be done on PS3.

People have gotten around without it no problem for 5 years.

Let it go.
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I have noticed that there's a bit of a double standard in this subject here on N4G.

Apparently, absolutely no one could possibly not care much for cross-game chat unless they are obviously fanboys.

We all know it's useful.
I personally would like to have it. Although I'm not dying from not having it and I have done fine without it. But it would be a convenient feature to have every now and then.

DeadlyFire1805d ago

Well there is always PS4. Which I believe will have a mass of RAM and likely little features like this will be born into the system at its first showing.

AngryTypingGuy1804d ago

"It Only Does Everything" is a lie, don't believe it! It doesn't do cross game chat, or make toast.

Armyntt1804d ago

I am primarily a 360 gamer but not once when playin my PS3 did I think, wow you know what this is missing? Cross game chat. Not once. If its there great but who really gives a f**k? I think 360 fanboys care more about the cross game chat on the PS3 than PS3 gamers do.

death2smoochie1804d ago

"Nope, I just posted it. The site has 12 different writers, each with their own opinions"

And opinions are like A**holes..
Everyone has one and they all stink

DaTruth1804d ago (Edited 1804d ago )

The RAM usage for cross game chat on 360 is not built into the OS, it is built into every game and in order for games to get certification for 360, they must conform!

MS made cross game chat a priority and their Live features aren't built into the OS, they are built into the games and the games suffer due to the needed RAM for these features whether exclusive or multiplatform. And yes, PS3 multiplatform games suffer due to the RAM lost for Live features.

Sony has many possible features in their OS like custom music, but they left it up to the devs whether to use them or not(except trophies). Sony made more RAM for games a priority and though multiplatform games have the RAM leftover for cross game chat on PS3, it would make no sense since there is no RAM leftover in every exclusive game; you wouldn't be able to talk to someone playing Uncharted 2.

This is a prime reason why multiplat games suffer compared to PS3 exclusives(on PS3 or 360) and why 360 games overall suffer compared to PS3 exclusives!

Ju1804d ago (Edited 1804d ago )

This just doesn't make sense. If you have voice chat in a game - and all PS3 games have some sort of voice chat in game - how does "connecting" to another game use more RAM, when basically both already run a Voice chat "stack". Someone please enlighten me. Are you telling me, every game uses its own VoIP protocol? And Sony is just not able to add one which is consistent across games? Because this is all it takes (from a pure protocol/memory perspective - this doesn't mean old games would be able to support that).

I would understand if you refer to single player games, which disable that and use the mem to add more features. Is that what you are saying? Even if this is true, it could still be implemented "selectively". Means, some PSN-IDs will be visible, some won't. But e.g. UC3 MP can talk to R3 MP players.

It is just plain stupid. There are creative solutions to the problem, but Sony isn't one who wants to give this flexibility into players hands.

Redempteur1804d ago (Edited 1804d ago )

@ju

You need RAM to run an application ( whatever it is ).You need to put some information in memory somewhere if you exchange it with multiple receivers.
Many games actually have their own voice protocols when it comes to online gaming . This isn't the same thing when you're in a room at SUPER STREET FIGHTER 4 with 4 people , or in a party of white knight chronibles . These games have différents needs and thus tweak their stuff. that's because A dev has a set amount of RAM he can use like he wants and that includes voice chat.
The difference is that M$ is forcing devs to use a protocol that is compatible with LIVE.
You don't USE more ram, you must have some space to integrate it into already working products

Every program need RAm to works , that because you have to put informations in it. AND yes even when you voice chat and consoles don't have unlimited RAM ... they don't need a lot of ram but the specs of consoles don't change on that aspect.

pixelsword1804d ago (Edited 1804d ago )

In the end it doesn't matter much.

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fluffydelusions1805d ago

Exactly. Just give it up...it's not coming to PS3 but most likely it will be in PS4 given it's in PSV.

f7897901805d ago

Oh the silly disagrees you get on n4g.

Sony said no. Get over it. It's in the Vita which means they know we want it and will put it in the ps4. Nothing to disagree about.

gamingdroid1805d ago

It doesn't make sense from a PR point of view to shot yourself in the foot as some sort of PR stunt.

So the answer is no, it's been five years and a bunch of other features has already made it. Cross game chat is unlikely at this point.

PSVita1805d ago

i think the only way they would be able to put x-game chat on the ps3 is if they some how borrowed the psv's ram. Maybe there will be a special dock that you can sit the psv on which charges and connects to the ps3. I personally don't care but it would be nice to shut up the fanboys.

gamingdroid1805d ago

That doesn't make sense, as it relies on an additional device. Sony would never come up with such an clunky system....

Mike_Tha_Hero1805d ago

I'm sorry but he's right. I'm tired of these sites with their so-called "writers" pushing BS out of thin air. What happened to facts vs. opinions? Show some damn integrity...

thor1805d ago

Yes - not just the RAM issue, but the fact that it was not planned from the start.

It is a HUGE undertaking to implement a feature that is compatible with ALL games AFTER they have been released. It is much, MUCH simpler to do it beforehand.

By not thinking ahead, the PSN is not equipped to handle such features whereas XBL IS. This is because every live-enabled game is developed & tested knowing that these features will need to work. Zero PSN games have been developed with cross game chat in mind and so it would be up to Sony's developers to make cross game chat compatible with thousands of games rather than thousands of games' developers make their games compatible with just one feature.

Even if cross game chat is possible to be made compatible with every game ever released for PS3, it still might not work well. For instance, many games use proprietry voice chat systems. These would not integrate with cross game chat, and you'd either have to disable in-game chat or have your private cross-game conversations blurted out to everybody.

baker_boi1805d ago

It aint got nothin to do with the infrastructure. From what Sony is sayin it's the physical ram in our systems, not the damn network code.

Ju1805d ago

Network code is already there. There is no need to run a whole application in the background. But it might be an issue to implement that into the OS - and hence create memory issues - for all application, especially the old (current ones) which do not need that service or run their own (now redundant) code. Thor is absolutely correct. It was an oversight from the beginning and to solve that now is a major problem.

I personally don't care; obviously it is a technical problem which they couldn't solve yet. Who knows.

The Vita is build with background services in mind. Which is quite a good idea. And obviously it is designed from the ground up to make this work.

fullmetal2971805d ago

PS3 can't cross-game chat because of the lack system ram available. It's a hardware issue that can't be resolved. Similar to in-game chat for steam. The in-game chat lags games on lower-end PCs so there is an option to disable it.

It's just that simple... no need to say it's an "OS issue" or "old code" because those are just lame excuses to explain something so easy to understand.

Ju1804d ago (Edited 1804d ago )

Life is trivial, isn't it? LOL

Hayabusa 1171804d ago

I think infrastructure is an interesting point. Remember that on the 360 you can't cross game chat while playing backward compatible games, so that lends some strength to Thor's arguement. Although you could argue that the emulator takes up ram, so who knows.

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subtenko1805d ago

This is the only thing I've heard that xbox360 fans boast on..besides COD timed exclusive map packs.

When Im on the ps3, there are certain times where I could have used the x-chat feature..but that was rare and we just use the text chatroom feature. When im on the xbox360 then I use the x-gamechat feature alittle more because more people use it because its an actually feature on xbox360.

It's not too big of a deal though, just a really nice convenience.

For Sony to put x-gamechat in the vita was smart though because, well...mobile gaming, the thing has 3g, makes me think of cellphones. Psp got skype, so this is 1000x better.

Agree or Disagree if you Agree or Disagree

thorstein1805d ago

Intelligent, and well said.

Bubs for you, good sir (or lady). I really don't care if it is there one way or another. I mean, these people are sooooooooo important that they just have to talk to someone else WHILE they game? Meh.

andibandit1805d ago

@Thorstein

no it's the other people who will go to any length to not admit it's a pratical feature.

they will say:
-I use my phone.
-I use Facebook
-I dont have any friends
-I never chat
-I just text
-I use Skype
-I have a pc running also and use Ventrilo
-I just talk to my friends in person
-I cant game and talk

MaxXAttaxX1805d ago

Except that people DO have friends and CAN game and talk.

You can still chat online with friends while playing the same game.
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Anyway, cross-game chat is pretty convenient for chatting at any time with anyone, in or out of a game.

Solid_Snake-1805d ago

PS3...it only does limited RAM.

muhahahahaha

Rockstar1805d ago

Hoho!

Zing!

OT: I'd much rather have universal custom soundtracks on my ps3 rather than xgame chat
TBH.

ECM0NEY1805d ago

The PS3 doesnt have custom soundtracks?

Only does everything my @ss lol

_Aarix_1805d ago

Oh cmon guys..have a sense of humor.

rjdofu1805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

@_Aarix_: not from this Solid_Snake- aka. troll :/

fullmetal2971805d ago

The xbox 360 has the option to custom soundtracks in-game ironically.

MaxXAttaxX1805d ago

But it's not a universal feature.

@fullmetal297
I don't get the irony...

Hayabusa 1171804d ago

@NathanExplosion.

I actually prefer the old Xbox's custom soundtrack system because it was often intergrated into the game alot better. The problem with universal custom soundtracks is it often plays on top of the games default music, meaning you got both running at once :( And it doesn't fade or go silent during cutscenes which is
really annoying :(

@fullmetal

I don't get the irony either.

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Lord_Sloth1805d ago

^Failure to realize that PS3's processor can amplify any function of the PS3 including RAM.

Not saying that it will happen, just saying that it's not a hardware issue.

starchild1805d ago

A processor can amplify RAM? LOL

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

RevXM1805d ago

I think sony is bluffing.
Obviously adding such a feature isnt a small task and due to design decitions and flaws its easier said than done.

But!
But because there are hardware limits doesnt mean that updating the OS and interface cant free up enough memory to add it.

Ingame XMB is cluttered with stuff you wouldnt want to use or cant use anyways. Want to edit or watch a video or tv? change some certain settings, themes, surf the web, view images? you have to quit the game!
Why not take all that shit out when you cant use it?

And if what Carmack said is true that Microsoft uses less memory for OS than Sony and yet MS's system can run more stuff in the background like Party chat, music player and Live messenger, then there should be room enough for 1 feature.

And the author kind of misinforms here.
The ps3 have 512 MB Ram not 256.
Ps3 got 256mb main ram, and 256Mb video ram.
Vita got 512 MB main ram and 128mb V ram, in total 640mb.

Oh and Sony have told us and let us believe all this time that we would get XGC on Ps3... this isnt cool, but I hope they will use this experience to improve with the future platforms.

SephirothX211805d ago

Could Sony not add cgc to the extent where gamers can use it in a game when not in gameplay. For example, in the main menu of a game, they could use it and in order to accept a request to join a party, players would have to quit gameplay first.

Mustang300C20121805d ago

@DarkRide

If PS3 owners didn't want it then why is this even a discussion 5 years later? Why even bother announcing it from the beginning and showing video and it never got in the official release? Why bother telling gamers last year that yes it is definately coming. On top of that, why is it one of the most requested features that PS3 owners like myself have asked for since I and many others I KNOW use the feature on the 360? Anybody can talk about my brothers friend sisters boyfriend doesn't care for X game chat. You and your whoever claims doesn't equal the world. Different strokes.

otherZinc1805d ago

Guess the PS3 isn't so powerful after all!

MaxXAttaxX1805d ago

Such claims were made for processing power for games.

Since when did it become about a chatting feature.

the_best_player1805d ago

Just put skype on if you have PSP or PC lol

tee_bag2421805d ago

Right you are. Iv had a PS3 since day 1 and use to anticipate every update
hoping it would be included.
Sony have announced it's not coming! Accept it now. It's
included in Vita already so its pretty obvious it's not coming to
PS3 without any big sacrifices.
No matter how much love you give your PS3 it's just not happening.
Move On, or work around it.

TVippy1804d ago

The fanboys are just comforting themselves at this point with their imaginary things.

Shojin11804d ago

After years of going though every update on the 360 I can say that there are a few things I do not like. I know many want crossgame chat, I dont. Why? Ever been in a relaxing game and someone sends you a party invite while there playin GOW or Halo. Your relaxing game is not relaxing anymore... On the opposite hand you could have to people playing games not so engaging to carry on a decent coversation.

PS Home has this covered to the extent I would want it. Opinion.

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Istanbull1805d ago

I dont need X cross game chat. I have free online hell yeah!

kingdoms1805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

Yeah but with free you don't get

-Party lobbies in movie and music services/apps
-Built in Clan support
-skill matching
-cross game chat
-zones
-party, single and clan cross game invites with seemless access to the source.

Plus things like rating other gamers to play or not to play with them in the future etc etc the list goes on and on.

I guess PS3 can't do half of what the 360 can do by design of PS3. Sony laughed at Microsoft's online vision and when it became successful they slapped together PSN and ps3 as an after thought only really caring about pushing BLU RAY and teh cell. PSN is free because Sony can never justify a fee now or in the future. The devs pick up the cost of PSN and gamers pay for XBL hence the evolution of XBL and its underline hardcore gamer Infrastructure.

The Iron Sheik1805d ago

None of that is worth $60 a year in my opinion. If you had a 360 since launch you would of spent over 300 bucks in live fees.

fluffydelusions1805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

@The Iron Sheik

I have both 360 and PS3 and gladly pay for XBL. It's not a big deal really and the services like Netflix party are awesome. If $60 a year is too much for you maybe you are in the wrong hobby. And you also have to remember you can typically find a 12 month XBL subscription for less than $40. BTW party mode is also coming to LiveTV in the fall update which will rock.

PSVita1805d ago

but if you don't want those features like me and just want to play online can you get that for free with xbl? No

JayD-1K1805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

Actually, you can do all but one of those items you brought up in HOME! But then again, you have voice chat across HOME.

M-A-R-S-H-A-L-L1805d ago

....Nope. Still doesn't justify something that should either be free or be optional.

f7897901805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

"it underlying hardcore gamer Infrastructure"

*I think of youtube videos from 360 with kids being idiots*
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

On the ps3 I very rarely run into kids with mics in games. When I do I want to ban them from the psn. I don't care about how your loadouts make you a killing machine!

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JellyJelly1805d ago (Edited 1805d ago )

PS3 fanboys never need what they can't have. I remember when you didn't need trophies either, or in-game xmb. Or background downloading, although that doesn't work that well. Like with trophy synching, they just can't get it right.

KwietStorm1805d ago

I personally think nobody needs trophies and achievements. People turned then into a crack addiction and ruined games with it. But you're lying out your ass saying nobody was asking for in game xmb.