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Submitted by KaDa 1130d ago | news

PS3 version RAGE mandatory install revealed

After Carmack revealed the recommended installation size of the Xbox 360 version of RAGE ( 21-22GB! ), gamers wondered how big the mandatory install size would be for the PS3. (gamescom, PS3, Rage)

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Nitrowolf2  +   1130d ago
wow 8GB. So is this mandatory as in you must install it full right away or is it Mandatory like fallout 3 where it installs as it plays (with small install on start)?
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dc1  +   1130d ago
Its not that bad. The 360 install is rumored to be around 20+ as it’s a really big game. Either way if this game lives up to the hype; 360 and PS3 fans should jump on it (if space permits).
units  +   1130d ago
360 isnt mandatory
xPhearR3dx  +   1130d ago
Yea but the difference here is, The 360 20+GB install is completely optional and will never be needed in order to play the game. If you don't have 8GB left on your PS3, you ain't playing RAGE until you do.
fluffydelusions  +   1130d ago
Not sure why the 2 posts above me have disagrees for stating fact. Odd. OT, 8gb isn't bad. I've installed bigger lol.
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FriedGoat  +   1130d ago
2 words, Personal Computer.
Biggest  +   1130d ago
The 360 install isn't mandatory. Changing disks is. I wonder what is going on with Rage that makes for such a large install though. The entire game on the 360 is close to 20G. How can a mandatory install be damn near half that?
egidem  +   1130d ago
How the hell is units and xPhearR3dx getting disagrees????

Correct me if I'm wrong but no game on the Xbox 360 requires a mandatory installation. If they did, then every Xbox 360 would ship with a hard drive.

The rage installation is OPTIONAL on the 360. It is NOT MANDATORY. The 20+ GB is just the total of all disc games. If for example you have 1 GB left on the 360 hard drive, you CAN play Rage without installing it. If however you have 1GB left on your PS3, you won't be able to play because the installation here is MANDATORY and an 8 GB or more space is required.
KingSlayer  +   1130d ago
I want the game to perform its best. I give a shit what platform it's on. If an install is the way to go, install it is. So, pop in and play (while taking a performance hit) is better than installing 8GB, but multiple discs is ok?
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dc1  +   1130d ago
Thanks for the clarity XPhear and Units.
I wasnt aware of that.
kingdoms  +   1130d ago
The total size of the game isn't much different if at all on both platforms for those that keep mentioning the size of all 3 discs on the 360 version. PS3 often needs the whole game or part of the game installed as a requirement. Probably texture streaming off the HDD etc plus loading etc
DarkTower805  +   1130d ago
@ friedgoat, don't you have to install the game in pc as well?
MaxXAttaxX  +   1130d ago
John Carmack said he RECOMMENDS the 22GB install on 360. And when he recommends something, you do it! lol
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Virus201  +   1130d ago
I like how you attempted to make the 360 out to have a worse installation then the ps3. The 360's install isn't mandatory.
gaden_malak  +   1130d ago | Interesting
My god, who gives a crap.

You don't have 8GB on PS3, you don't play it.
You lose a disk on 360, you don't play it.

Settled? Both consoles have downfalls to the methods. You can stop with your console dick measuring contest.
jetlian  +   1130d ago
Biggest
the reason ps3 is smaller is because MS makes a dev do a full download. In the 90 min video he said he wished MS was allow them to do bits and pieces.

Also most multi disk games don't force you to do every disk! you could just do disk 2 or 3
MaxXAttaxX  +   1130d ago
A lot of people here got too sensitive over what 'dc1' said.
Right, Virus201?
badz149  +   1130d ago
8GB??
my god...Borderland is just over 3GB the whole game compared to 20-22GB of RAGE! what is this monstrous thing packed in it? textures? uncompressed audio? Full HD fmv or something? that is just ridiculous!
zeddy  +   1130d ago
@units if you want a smooth experience and not have to swap discs then it is mandatory.
seinfan  +   1130d ago
@zeddy
you still have to swap discs if you install on a 360. I had to with LA Noire.
perdie  +   1130d ago
@fluffydelusions

"I've installed bigger lol"

thats...what...she..said..... ..
NukaCola  +   1129d ago
Well John Carmack said that the game will be best in this order:

PC > 360 installed > PS3 > 360 uninstalled.

The game will run the same across the platforms but you you'll notice things on both that stick out better than the other. The PS3 has an 8gig mandatory but it'll run better than just the 360 version without the install, but if you are like me, I would install the whole damn file and allow the 360 version to run at it's best possible settings and then when you max your achievements, then delete the extra data.

On the install for PS3: The Bluray reads different than the DVD drive. It's slower so multiplat game devs do use the install to allow it to perform the best they can, and in this case it looks like it'll be amazing. 1st party devs have managed to get Uncharted 3 qualiry running with no install at all, but still... Rage looks phenomenal.
starchild  +   1129d ago
Dang, 8GB is a full tenth of my hard drive capacity. Actually, I don't think I even have 8GB left.

I would have to delete stuff if I was going to get this game on the PS3. In this case, though, I am getting Rage for the PC.

With all these huge mandatory installs on the PS3 it's almost like you HAVE to buy and install a new hard drive.
insomnium2  +   1129d ago
I'm wondering how many discs will the x360 version have? It's not like the data can be overly compressed to fit on 2 discs since it has to be able to play without an install. 2 DVDs would make the game pretty much unplayable from disc with the pop ins and such right?

Ontopic: 8 Gigs? Pretty much but I have plenty of space on my 250GB slim left. No worries for me.
Solidus187-SCMilk  +   1129d ago
I like how you say if you loose a disk on 360 you cant play it for a downfall, that makes no sense. If you loose the disk for ps3 you loose the entire game, instead of only 1/3, its actually better to loose just 1/3 a game, lol.

But really thats a lame reason anyways and not a drawback of either.

The problem with 360 instal is that it is the whole game and is huge 22 gb that alot of people dont have, but it is optional and will improve performance alot. You could instal all or just 1 disk at a time and change and play off the next disk and then instal after that session. But many will just play off the disk as not everyone has 22gb free, or even 9-10 gb for 1 disk.

Space is less of an issue with the PS3 instal, I delete stuff on both all the time anyways but
the problem with the ps3 mandatory instal is that it is right away and you have to so it first before you play at all. I usually play a new game off the disk, then install on 360. Also, many of my ps3 games dont have any instal at all or they are alot smaller than this 8gb one. You pretty much cant bring this to a friends unless they are cool with waiting for something that isnt COD to install 8 gigs.

I will wait till the comparison sites compare the ps3 with the 8gigs installed to the 360 running off the disk(LOT etc). If its close at all either way I will play it on 360 with it installed.

I would rather just play on PC since I would be installing either console version anyways, but my PC is too old now.
insomnium2  +   1129d ago
@solidus

Yeah I get what you mean. It is a pretty long time to wait for the install before being able to play but I don't think it's that bad. I usually put the game to install while putting the kids to bed brushing their teeth and all that. If there's NOTHING to do meanwhile it installs I usually let my anticipation grow and browze the little instructionsbooklet through while waiting. I really don't see where there's a problem with mandatory installs on PS3.

If you want to turn it around and say "well people always bash multiple discs on x360" I'm going to tell you that you must've misunderstood the problem with multidiscs. Ill tell you.

There are many games out there that devs will not put on multiple discs. Sportsgames for example or openworld like GTA. Those types of games are limited by the available space on DVD because they will not put them on multiple discs for obvious reasons. THAT'S the problem with x360 and it's DVD drive. That's what I've been telling atleast. On RPG or games like that multidisc is NO PROBLEM AT ALL. You'd have to be a fanboy to say so. Sure it might seem a little last gen with multidiscs but that does NOT limit certain games that they are multidisc. It's games like Tekken or SSF4 or racing games that get problems with multidisc.
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Foxgod  +   1130d ago
360 always installs the full game.
But like others mentioned, its optional.
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ExitToExisT  +   1130d ago
8gb mandatory install >> swapping 3-4 discs
cobblestone19  +   1130d ago
1- 8GB is not that bad. Ps3's ship with large HDD's for a reason.

2- The 360 has a 22GB install. As Jac5al said:
The 360 install may not be mandatory, but your 360 is going to sound like a jet engine if you don't. Which can shorten the life span of your DVD drive. + longer loading times.

3- You and easily delete stuff off of you Ps3 or upgrade you HDD.
cobblestone19  +   1130d ago
Disagrees but no reply? WTF?! You guys, everything in my post is true. Why are you disagreeing with me? o.O

And with no reason/response? So annoying!
Bonobo12345  +   1130d ago
If I just hold my hands over my ears, hopefully these facts won't be true in the morning.....
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_Aarix_  +   1129d ago
Your getting disagrees for trashing 360. They dont sound like jets as they used to. The slims are whisper quiet and thats an understatement.
gamingdroid  +   1129d ago
...but if you install the game on the Xbox 360, it will be even quieter than the PS3 with the disc spinning.

Do you know the part that wears out fastest on a console? That's right the moving mechanical spinning disc drive!

It will probably take less time to get you going on Xbox 360 than on the PS3 if you just start with disc 1 only.

So there are benefits too, not just drawbacks. However, I would hardly choose what platform to buy a game for based on the installation size or number of discs. It would be where my friends are, what platform I prefer, controller choice, online network features, the community size and sometimes if the game significantly performs better on one or the other. Yes, the latter do go both ways.
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Me_My  +   1130d ago
8Gigs!!!? Damn that would have never happened on MW3 Thank God Activision is leading the gaming industry.
Colmshan1990  +   1130d ago
That's because you can beat the single-player in less than 5 hours, on veteran.
(That is assuming it's the same length as MW2, and not shorter)
MariaHelFutura  +   1130d ago
Personally I've never not bought a game based on the install size. More devs should do them like mgs4 did them.
Nitrowolf2  +   1130d ago
Um no that would be a terrible idea and much worse then switching disc.

If you meant it as a one time thing with segments then yes, but MGS4 has you re-install after each chapter
zeddy  +   1130d ago
naa i orefer to just get it out the way at the begining.
seinfan  +   1130d ago
TERRIBLE. I hated that it would wipe away the install for the act you previously played and you'd have to wait there a few minutes. Switching discs would be a faster option. Nitrowolf is right that it would be better as a one time thing with segments.

@cgoodno
I wish I had a third bubble! That isn't the limit of the disc itself, though. The read time on the optical lens is slow. Faster Blu-Ray drives are already on the market. PS4 should have an even faster one.
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Crazyglues  +   1130d ago
And this is why that 500GB hard drive has been the best thing I ever did to my PS3...

Every new game coming out always seems to have a mandatory install, thank god one day long ago I just said. "you know what let me just put a bigger hard drive and save myself some pain in the future"

and it's been paying off big time, I don't even think about space, I have a lot of games on the hard drive, ME2 and Borderlands, huge games and a lot of installs and I still have like 365gb's of free space...

So this will be no problem...

Highly recommend upgrading that hard drive people, you will not regret it..

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gw4k  +   1130d ago
WOW! 8GIGS! HOLY CRAP!
cgoodno  +   1130d ago
Mandatory or not, I'm going to be very happy to have this installed on my HDD. I'm assuming many people will be similarly happy to have faster load times and less pop-ins on the 360 as well.

Glad Sony didn't limit them to the usual <5GB amount. Would be nice to have the option to install the full game on the HDD, but I assume most of what is left is audio and cutscene data and not texture data.

Installs are only increasing in occurrence in this age of gaming. It seems disc media is never going to be able to keep up with the need to process higher quality graphics.
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gamingdroid  +   1129d ago
I'm actually kind of sad they lifted the install size. Personally, I own the MGS4 LE PS3 with a whopping 40GB hard drive.

I can't bring myself to violate my PS3 by opening it and upgrade the hard drive. It is one of my coolest looking consoles in sleek gunmetal grey and supposedly less than 10k of them where made for the US market.

I simply don't have enough hard drive space and this might be a trend moving forward. Also, what about the people with 20GBs PS3?

:(
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cgoodno  +   1129d ago
@gamingdroid: Agreed.

I have the same issue with my 360. I have the old 20GB 360. Now, my choices are to play the game in the manner that greatly increases the chances of a RROD (it's out of warranty) or delete HDD space to install 1 or 2 discs at a time.

This is the main reason I'm primarily a PS3 gamer, because I work to maintain the life of my 360 and I it was cheaper for me to upgrade my HDD to 500GB ($60 sale a few years back) than my 360 HDD or even buying one of the newer 360s which have the RROD issue minimalized.

It is definitely a trend moving forward, as I said above. Disc media is unable to keep up and maintain hardware integrity compared to the ability for higher quality graphical assets to be streamed at a higher rate.

I'm very surprised that the next gen isn't going to be flash card based for game distribution, personally. I do think the next generation will move towards installing more data onto a HDD and a bigger focus on digital distribution in order to circumvent disc media limitations and weaknesses in hardware.
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beastgamer  +   1129d ago
This is what I want to know, Why does games like uncharted, god of war, resistance use no install and looks awesome and loads fine. What Sony got some special shit going on?
JsonHenry  +   1129d ago
I'm still not sure why so many people complain about having to install a game to the HDD.

And I also laugh at all the people bragging about how they upgraded their HDDs to larger ones or even SSDs. You all have a little bit of a PC gamer in you after all. :)
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firemassacre  +   1130d ago
8gb, that's not bad, at first when i seen the headline i thought it said 21-22 gb! that would be a problem.
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ballsofsteel  +   1130d ago
tell that to 40gb owners. luckily i upgraded my HDD but i feel the pain for those who haven't. It was a constant chore having to great space for some of the bigger games. I can deal with 4gb installs but 8 is ridiculous i can't think of a game outside of DC universe that was that high. Infact i downloaded borderlands and it's DLC a few week ago and it doesn't even add up to 8gb
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despair  +   1130d ago
yea I suffered through the chore of making space on my 40GB until I finally gave up and installed a 320GB HDD in it. Best decision I ever made.
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MaxXAttaxX  +   1130d ago
8gb should fit in a 40gb PS3.
Delete old game installs, demos and stuff you don't need anymore.
rod_furlong  +   1130d ago
Gamers wondered this? Not this one!
Cajun Chicken  +   1130d ago
WHOA. Jesus. Time to replace my 60gig.
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Ser  +   1130d ago
Haven't gotten around to upgrading my hard drive size.

No worries. To save room I'll just delete the game data after I'm done playing the game. What's the big deal?
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CynicalVision  +   1130d ago
Thankfully I have storage to spare, 500GB upgrade last week. :3
Jac5al  +   1130d ago | Interesting
The 360 install may not be mandatory, but your 360 is going to sound like a jet engine if you don't.

Which can shorten the life span of your DVD drive. + longer loading times.
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StrongMan  +   1130d ago
This^^^
fluffydelusions  +   1130d ago
The new slim models don't make any sound whatsoever just like the PS3 slim. And I don't want to hear it because before I got my PS3 slim I had a 60gb and it was loud too.
Zechs34  +   1130d ago
I too agree with this. I have a Slim 360 and a 60gb PS3 in my main room and the 360 is super quiet. The PS3 however sounds like a damn vacuum.

In my bedroom though its reversed. I have the PS3 slim and an old 20gb xbox. Its quite amusing really.

I will be getting Rage on PC and PS3 but I sincerely hope that the 360 version doesnt play or look like crap without that recommended installation by Carmack himself.
limewax  +   1130d ago
360 slim still sounds like a plane taking off, Always do the full install, even if you do it disc by disc, Like the guy above said, its very worth it.

But no 360 slim is loud as hell until you install, then yes it is pretty quiet
iNFAMOUZ1  +   1130d ago
No I have the slim and had the slim ps3(stolen), the slim 360 is quieter from experience.
videoxgamexfanboy  +   1129d ago
Not sure what ver xbox ur playin on but my slim xbox is as quite as a church house mouse.
lazertroy  +   1130d ago
Sears have 500Gb HDD for $44.07 with free shipping

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/...
thawind  +   1130d ago
thanks 4 tha info .............yes yes..hehe
belac09  +   1130d ago
that sucks i wont have enough room. ive tried to switch to my 60 gb hdd but for some reason it wont work.
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Lionalliance  +   1130d ago
8g, not bad.
ginsunuva  +   1130d ago
Don't play pc games on consoles.
solar  +   1130d ago
like playing CS. im gonna feel bad for those mates.
Bathyj  +   1130d ago
Why not? Look at all the console games that go to PC. Practically 90% of their library.
ninjagoat  +   1130d ago
no hassles on a 500gb hd tbh :)
hot111  +   1130d ago
You can install disc by disc on 360,no need for full install.
MasterCornholio  +   1130d ago
Meh not a big deal. I bought a PS3 with 320 Gigs so i am not going to have a problem. And for people who whine about some PS3 owners not having enough space. Just delete some demos and videos and you will be fine.

People who use the PS3s mandatory installs as a crutch to bash the PS3 with. Are just a bunch of stupid fanboys. Just like those who bash the 360 because of its DVD9 disks.
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Series_IIa  +   1130d ago
I've still got like 100gb free on my 160gb PS3, over 90gb on my 250gb xbox HDD and about 1TB of space left on my PC so I'm good for all platforms.
cardgenius  +   1130d ago
Oh no!! What will my 250GB HDD do?!?
sak500  +   1130d ago
It's not a matter of how big the installation is on ps3 but how much time it will take. earlier 2 ~ 4 gb used to take anywhere from 20mins to 30mins for 8 gb are we talking about an hour? Btw any option to fully install the game on ps3?

On 360 on disc can install in 7~8 mins. You can have the option of:

1. Playing straight up w/o installing - immediately
2. Playing after installing disc 1 - 7~8 mins wait
3. Full install - about 21~24mins
Silly gameAr  +   1130d ago
Do you sit and stare at your screen while you're installing? Sounds like that would be boring. And, I think you're exaggerating those install times a bit. 20 or 30 for 4 gigs? Try 5 to 8 tops.

That's my personal experience anyway. Plus the less wear and tear on my system, the better so it won't hurt to take a few minutes out of my precious game playing time to install.
solar  +   1130d ago
console games shouldnt require an install. that's a "PC thing". at least that's one of the gripes we hear from console players.

console games should be "insert disc and play"
ChipChipperson  +   1130d ago
As long as the game is great and more than 8 hours I'll make space for it no problem. This game is gonna be awesome.
Skate-AK  +   1130d ago
Ehhh 8 gb isnt bad at all.
BeastlyRig  +   1130d ago
What up with all the ps3 installing?
Peaceful_Jelly  +   1130d ago
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Game0N  +   1130d ago
i literally have 8 gigs left on my 120g slim. Time for another slim!
TheCampfireSong  +   1130d ago
or an HDD upgrade..
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shoestring  +   1130d ago
Its not common knowledge, but before even the PS3 first came out, 360 has originally intended to have mandatory installs as well, which was something that actually requested by a lot of devs. Microsoft however requires that none of their games not to require to have mandatory installs (even though the option to install them anyway was added later in an update) And thank god, because their proprietary 120GB for $150 was simply bullshit

People act as though mandatory installs on PS3 are required EVERYTIME you re-insert the cd back into the console. And if its a question of HDD space....well then whats stopping you from simply putting in a 320GB, 500GB or up to 1TB HDD in your PS3?
SnukaTheMan  +   1130d ago
dam 20 gigs on the xbox...
thats insane...I would get it on ps3 but I am only going to get multiplatform games on xbox and exclusives on ps3.....demon souls is a bitch but i am loving it.
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OooHJohnny  +   1130d ago
That's exactly why MS doesn't release exclusive games anymore...
banjadude  +   1130d ago
lol, what a vicious cycle. Every time a AAA (going based on hype of course) game releases on the PS3 and has a mandatory install, we always see the same people at each other necks in the comments section.

Look, the reality is, this is okay for people who have large hard drives, and for those that don't, it's not hard to free up some space any ways. And, once again, Sony has given us the great option to upgrade our hard drives using non-proprietary stuff.

Edit: Myself? I'm getting this for PC... just doesn't feel the same playing an ID game on console, plus I just got a brand new computer!
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