Carmack: Doom 4 Is So Big It May Not Fit On PS3 Bluray Discs

John Carmack of id Software warns that Doom 4 is likely to contain so much data that it may not fit on discs, not even Bluray.


The Turkish website from which the information was pulled have re-translated the quote from Carmack so that it now reads: "There is a decent chance we will fill the PS3 Blu-Ray with more data than we ship on DVDs for Doom 4". This means that the PS3 version may contain more content than the Xbox 360 version, not that it may not fit on the PS3 Bluray disc. Slight error in translation, big news still though!

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aviator1892196d ago

This game is going to be insane. I've got the same amount of anticipation for this as much as I have for half-life ep 3.


An excuse to make shitty console versions? They got 120 gig blurays now, but even so...50 gigs not enough?.....come on. Uncharted 2 was 23 gigs and that was a masterpiece

Ducky2196d ago (Edited 2196d ago )

... except size has nothing to do with how good or bad a game is.

It's like saying that a 1000-page novel is better than a 500-page one.

Perjoss2196d ago

lol at the disagree of FatOldMan's comment!

There are many DS games with 10/10 score and they have TINY file sizes, I think they cap out at 256mb and go all the way down to 8mb :)

turgore2196d ago

Remember, the ID tech 5 engine takes A LOT of space. Just look at Rage.

blitz06232196d ago (Edited 2196d ago )

So use 2 blu-rays... and 10+ DVDs?

Solid_Snake-2196d ago (Edited 2196d ago )

yeh and uncharted 2 was linear with fake back grounds. could be done on the xbox on 1 disk. the blu ray wastes resources and makes the games look bigger than they actually need to be.

as for carmack...yes you are one of the greatest devs out there...but god are you ever happy with anything. every other dev company is managing amazing games this gen so just get on with it.

just because your games take a whole gen to make it doesnt mean we should have to worry why your late to the game.

MidnytRain2196d ago


Nothing you said made any sense...

I mean, if you have mountains hundreds of miles away in the background, why would they actually render that. THAT would be a waste.

Mc Fadge2196d ago (Edited 2196d ago )

@FatOldMan and Perjoss

I believe REDHULKSMASH is referring to console versions getting lower resolution textures and models which would take up less space.

To take FatOldMan's analogy and improve on it - It's like having a 1000 page novel and having an abridged version at 250 pages. Sure the story's the same, but there's detail missing.

BubbleSniper2196d ago (Edited 2196d ago )

fail Hulk. Id has been working on new ways to develop games since Rages inception(before that even), breaking free of the norm. Doom 4 will showcase something so awesome that i can only refer you to Google to look up what Doom 4 is about.

I am expecting something major. and if Id is saying that Bluray is not enough then Kojimas words just got echoed from someone else's mouth

badz1492196d ago (Edited 2196d ago )

but everytime I read a comment from Carmack, he sounds more and more like Peter Molyneux!

Disccordia2196d ago

Sounds like it'll be a next gen game for sure

Arnon2196d ago

More like...

"I'll release it on PC, and wait another gen for the consoles to catch up."

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zag2196d ago

It's only the textures being super size so you'd be talking about 3000x3000 size textures.

Only the PC GFX cards can handle those textures, and even then you need the 3+gig ones to make any use of them as each one will be 500meg to 1-2gig in size.

people with the PC version will upgrade the texture in mod packs but I don't know if it's worth it really.

IF the game is going to be 20+ discs and you have 5 blu-rays who is going to bother with downloading 100+ gig game just to grab a few extra textures that only people with the very top of the line PC GFX cards can use.

pixelsword2196d ago (Edited 2196d ago )

"Solid_Snake- + 6h ago
yeh and uncharted 2 was linear with fake back grounds. could be done on the xbox on 1 disk."

...Yet, it seems that Uncharted 1 can't be done on the 360...?

At any rate, Carmack has already gained my respect for being honest about rage losing one faction because of the 360, so I am not doubting that he telling the truth in terms of a PC-equivocal-looking Doom on the PS3 (as Carmack said people said Rage looked like a high-end PC game, so I'm assuming that Doom will be an improvement graphically).

Yet, let us see how many discs it will be on the 360, seeing that one standard BD is equal to five DVDs. If Carmack is as rock-steady honest as he was for Doom, 360's Doom won't be on two DVDs.

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Sugreev20012196d ago

@ FatOldMan

I absolutely agree.On Topic,I'm really not enjoying these John Carmack interviews.His boasts are getting rather annoying day by day.I prefer console gaming to PC gaming,though I used to game on PC a lot as a kid in the 90's,and many of my all time favorite games on it were usually made by Id software.In fact,as a developer,his comments should solely be on the game he's making and what he's bringing to the table...but without knocking down on other companies,especially since his product is not even on the market yet.He might be a legend,but we are not forced to like him.

Exoil2196d ago

@badz149: Remember though that up to to this day, Carmack has always delivered.based upon his hype for his games.

That's a hell of a lot more than you can say about Moleneux!

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jeseth2196d ago

LMAO... Yeah Right.

Then how many discs will the Xbox 360 version be? 8 Discs?

SOunds like developer inadequecies to me.

seinfan2196d ago

It's probably uncompressed audio. But this supposed size does pose a problem for PS3 games because the PS3 can only read up to a dual layer disc.

DeadlyFire2196d ago

Well its more than likely they are just hinting at disc formats they believe Sony and Microsoft will be picking up for next generation of consoles. Like 120 GB Blu-Ray and HVD discs for Xbox 360? Maybe 3D Disks. Their aim is likely to push for 100+ GB disc format towards Sony and Microsoft.

a08andan2196d ago


Well if it is too big, it hurts!

paintsville2196d ago

Well ps3 has to get extra content to make up for the ps3's pitiful performance. Dropped frames, torn frames, dumbed down effects, etc. I mean Carmack already said that PS3 was SECOND best console and 360 was the BEST console (FACT). Oh it's a good day to be a 360 gamer.

Achtung2196d ago

not even remotely true

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SilentNegotiator2196d ago (Edited 2196d ago )

DOOM 4 must have a LOT of hallways.

When you suggest that, all I can imagine is a bunch of id tech employees discussing their next game; Someone then suggests a more opened up Doom 4 with less corridors, everyone looks at each other seriously, and then all of them simultaneously burst out into laughter like on a TV show.

Chnswdchldrn2196d ago

for all we know they may be making the game truer to the older Doom games, with far more open environments full of a bounch of demons, which would indeed take up more space than a corridor shooter like doom 3

STONEY42196d ago

Last I heard in an interview (with the writer I think) about a year or two ago, it was taking place on Earth, and you would go through cities and such. I'm guessing more open environments would also go along, since it's not like Doom 3 where the whole game is spent in a research facility.

SilentNegotiator2196d ago

Don't worry, STONEY4, they'll make sure that the buildings and rubble make convenient paths.

BlindGuardian2196d ago

blu rays can have multiple layers, they can do 5 layers now, that's 125 gbs

xCaptainAmazing2196d ago

Ya but more layers means more problems. It's bad enough the PS3's drive can only pull in data at 2x read speed. 5 layers deep you would be seeing awful read speeds and major performance issues.

A newer blu-ray drive would likely be able to compensate with higher read speeds, but they can't exactly just put a new one in. Would have to wait for next gen.

Rhythmattic2196d ago (Edited 2196d ago )


PS3 standard drive is no slouch..

So I don't have to type it, heres a link..