Before student Pekka-Eric Auvinen, 18, went on a tragic shooting rampage at Jokela High School in Finland last Wednesday, he not only posted a video on YouTube predicted the massacre, but also played his last round of Battlefield 2.
I got WAY MORE playing hours on BF2...
Lets not add BF2142 :)
Now when my copy of COD4 comes I'll pour hours in it XD
Anyway on topic. Its annoying blaming it on games. The problem probably came from the attitude of people towards him at school. Maybe he was bullied even my the headmaster. Yes bullying comes from teachers too! What you except if it got out of hand? Now Mr Jack Thompson would blame it on games. What would he do if he was in same situation as he was?
..do you really think that is an amusing statement? Like really? You are one sick F**k for saying anything of that sort. maybe one day you'll understand the feeling of losing someone for no reason in the way that those people were lost. c0ck
Stop living in the past.
1.1 and 1.4 reported as offensive. So damn ignorant.
just should kill them self's or kill those who were very bad to them and then kill him self's but not fair to kill people who has nothing to do with him or didnt hurt him badly!! any way i am against killing!! he should just beat them up with his fist or a metal fist with sharp needles!
what is up with people these days....
What teenagers don't play video games nowaday?
Bubbles for you!
The game didn't motivate him to mass murder, he did it because he had issues.
If I was about to go on a killing spree I would play Barbies Horse Adventure before just for the f*** of it lol!
Please Jack Thompson stay away from this. What's up with kids and parents now?
Considering that kids become parents quite easily these days, you can deduce that:
- these kids were stupid
- stupid kids who suddenly become parents also become stupid parents.
- becoming a parent doesn't entitle you automatically to become a good parent, and people tend to think the contrary...
- stupid parents are models for their kids, with a high chance of the kid becoming a stupid kid.
- it's a vicious circle.
Sad that every point you made was quite true, I know a lot of stupid kids and their stupid parents. You'd think it would be the logical thing and well just natural human progression to grow up and accept responsibility for your offspring, I guess not everyone thinks like that. A while ago you'd be shocked to see rotten kids without manners, these days I'm quite shocked to see the opposite. Spend some time on Live and you'll know the former very quickly.
So he played BF2 so wat !! there are millions who have played the BF2 series including me and it never made me wanna go out and shoot ppl. We had a school stabbing here in the Netherlands a few weeks back, it had nothing to do with games, the guy who was stabbed was bullying the boy with his m8`s for months a few days before he was stabbed he had put out a ciggy in the boys face so its no wonder he snapped.
How long before we see a mothers against battlefield 2 campaign, i have played battlefield 2 for years and never once thought of of killing masses of people. I bet he watched Lost, listened to Shakira, Ate Corn Flakes... yadda yadda yadda, just the normal things that teenagers do these days, most serial killers and mass murderers are not teenagers anymore but in there 30's and 40's and never play these games so why do they get the blame as soon as a teenager kills.????
It's suppose to be one of safest countries in the world, and now it's going to have Jack Thompson.
I agree, its odd for this to happen in Finland. Kids stay out playing all night because its so safe.
Usually these stories come out of America
They are just trying to find something to blame for him killing all those people and doing what he did...It wasn't the game that did it.... It was reported by his friends that he was a supporter of Stalin and Hitler and believed in "Natural Selection" meaning he was going to kill anyone who he saw not worthy of living....he was a freak and he was willing to die for his beliefs...
Everyone plays video games now a days so you can't blame it on video games. That's like saying he wiped his a$$ with Charming before the rampage and trying to blame Charming. Sad to here this though.
Did he watch TV while growing up? Maybe the fking cartoons are to blame. Who knows, I've been playing BF1942 - 2142 for last 5 years or so and i haven't event dreamt of killing anyone. Only after a long gaming seesion i sometime dream about playing the game in my dream.
I heard he loved movies like full metal jacket and apocalypse now.
Why would that have any less effect on him then games would.
Not saying that games or movies had anything to do with this nut case killing people but it begs the question why are people like jack Thomson always only after games…
Sounds like the guy had issues. It's a shame that gaming will be blamed and this guys obvious mental unstability will be swept under the rug.
looser that got no brains.
It says "humanity is overrated" on his T-shirt. I kinda agree, but one shouldn't go kill innocent people because of that, wow.
Oh, and @1.1 mikeslemonade, that's a lame joke, man.
Apparently, he ate apples before the murder. So it is now clear that we must remove apples from the market.
Im from finland and i know that this was nothing to do with bf2.
This guys idols were Hitler and Staling, he really had some issues.
Some say that he was bullied alot and that he was a loner.
I read his net diary and he said "the other masses are nothing compared to my godness","i must eliminate the weak","this is totally political attack so dont blaim my friends/parents or the movies that i watch, the games that i play, the music that i listen"
"Humanity is overrated" on T-shirt - LOL
At least the guy have a sense of humor, gotta admit that shirt is cool. Where can I get one of those?
What kind of loser turns the gun on himself after? Face the consequences you school shooting pansies.
No matter how deranged this kid was he was still impotent until he got his hands on a .22. So would someone please tell me why it was so easy for him to get one and bring it on school grounds. There are some serious social failures here that we need to look at before we blame video games. Funny thing is if he hadn't been playing Battlefield 2 he might have went off the deep end sooner. I find video games relaxing and challenging at times, but they never make you want to kill someone. There is a disconnect between what is pixelated images on a screen and real life. Haven't you always felt more pumped up after an good action movie that a video game? I guess gamers are just easy to pick on these days!!!!!
That guy is a douche bag, I mean why did he have to film his self playing BF2.......damn fool. This will give ammo to people like JT. It doesn't even really bother me that killed 8 people, what bothers me is the fact he just had to play one more round of BF2, so that everyone could see. Idiot.
I never said that video games were the problem, did I? Let's not jump to conclusions, or assumptions. I was merely stating, that this will fuel the "Antigame" Campaign in a new way.
How does wanting to play a game one last time before going on a killing spree make the game the cause of the crime?
is it even important to mention that he played the battlefield game? that's so freakin irrelevant. this idiot is a lonely loser geek. if he played battlefield before he went and did what he did, is not even worth mention. pathetic.
Yes it is worth mentioning, because now a new wave of "Antigame" crap is going to come through. And it won't end for a while, now they have this psycho, who plays a video game for the world to see before killing 8 people, then himself. No, what I stated is not pathetic. I don't care about people that I don't know, I care more about the gaming community getting a bunch of sh!t, than I do about 8 lives. Maybe That's just me. I know it's terrible when someone loses their lives to senseless murder, but you have to realize people die everyday. There are I don't know how many people who get murdered for things like a dollar. I can't help that fact. It happens everyday. What I will complain or get worked up over is the fact that, we will have to ender all kinds of sh!t because, this kid had to play a game before going on his killing spree. I just rationalize.
and killing the weak. way to go you f'ing idiot. the ppl who you despised you became when you killed yourself....weak jerk face.
and finland is very saturated with guns. i read about how they are 3rd in the world (iirc) in gun ownership, behind the usa and i forget the other. yet, finland is a very safe nation. the mindset of a country leads to its violence....and the mindset of my usa scares the crap outta me.
Here comes Jack Tohmpson, Hilary Clinton and Joe Lieberman on their anti gaming soapbox.
Auvinen described himself on YouTube as a “cynical existential, anti human humanist, antisocial social Darwinist, realistic idealist, and godlike atheist.”
That's all I needed to hear to know this guy is a nut-job. Video games my ass, he knew what he was doing with or without video games.
that was what explained it all for me. The kid had issues and that's the reason he did this.
The sad thing is that, as we already see, his gaming will be a main thing blamed for this. Why? Because it's the one thing all the people around him, who likely were witness to a LOT of warning signs that he was unstable, will be able to blame without blaming themselves.
Maaan, Jackie is gonna' be all over this.
I just wish that they could make some kind of message to Jackie Thompson in their videos, stating that the video games didn't do this, he did.
Somebody really gotta hire Alteir or Agent 47 to take care of that wanka'.
this is a relevant as say oh he watch the simpsons the night before or a rerun of battlestar. they're squarely trying to put the blame anywhere but where it belongs.
What can you expect?
Battlefield MC is a great game, to bad ou don't have it. :-) Silly Droids don't you know games are for Xbox.
This dude had serious issues from the begining I bet the media *coughs* "Jack Thompson, Hilary Clinton" is gonna spin it and make it seem like games have a bad influence on the youth minds...
exactly. These politicians will do anything to get elected. best thing they can do is say stuff that makes the parents of psychotic children feel like they are not the ones to blame. "if i'm elected, your kids can watch all the violence on TV they want, they can listen to parental advisory music, but i'll be damned if they can play a video game"
if you're going to go on a rampage please don't point out that you love video games on youtube.
you're giving the gamers a bad name.
Maybe they should point out his favorite artist is bob marley (so they can also blame weed) and his favorite TV show is Simpsons so they can blame comedies and destroy all the things that i love.
i used to defend music so much on the subject of influence. Now i realize it is partially the music. it's also these networks like MTV. all they do is glamorize being stupid, and shallow, and self centered.
watching TV does nothing for your brain. and listening to pop music just enhances to idea that being a self-centered moron who knows nothing of human emotion is a good thing.
The truth is we have more and more of this acting out not because of video games and violent movies. It's because the only forms of entertainment that truly exist n an affordable, readily available way are things that are utterly worthless for the soul. and no, i'm not religious (in fact i'm agnostic) but the fact is that by not encouraging deep thought, and caring towards other people, people begin to feel isolated and alone, then they put out that negative vibe to everyone causing themselves to become more regressed. Eventually, they have nothing to live for because they have no human contact and no concept of being a thoughtful, caring person.
it's a shame that the things that should be taught to us by our friends and family are becoming less and less important. and then the religious families become more and more radical is the media up-plays the fact that it's not the families' fault, it's the children's entertainment.
i guess i went on a small rant there, but i'm getting really tired of being surrounded my mindless individuals who think (maybe implying they think at all is a bad idea) all there is in life is bling, money, and me me me.
if people grew up worrying more about making this place into heaven instead of how to get there when you die, we probably wouldn't have so many school shootings, brawls, gang wars, etc... don't blame the games, the games are fun and we enjoy them. No sane person who racks up a buncha frags in halo then wants to rack up a buncha frags in real life. When you're dead, or in jail, you can't brag about how much you own at video games.
"Youtube killer played battlefield 2 before mass murders"
He also played Youtube before mass murders...I blame Youtube.
retards man...people are crazy in this world and everyone tries to find something to blame......why not blame the people who are crazy? instead of looking for a reason....
because then politicians would run outta bogus crap to try to scare you with so you vote for them.
now let's ban all books and rock music!!!/sarcasm
183 hours of play? Seriously?
That's hardly enough to call it the source of his killing.
I have over 500 hours clocked in on Devil May Cry 3 and it's a single-player story that lasts maybe ten hours.
I have over 1000 hours on UT04', I'm sure.
183 hours is NOTHING compared to what most gamers have on like Half-life, Counter Strike, or Halo. I mean, I probably have at least THREE TIMES as many hours as this kid had on Battlefield.
They can't and won't blame this on video games. Think about it. The gaming industry hasn't lost one yet. They probably won't.
My prayers go out to the family and friends of those killed or hurt.
Honestly lets go back like 500 years.When all forms of entertainment were totally different.People didn't blame anything,it was just life.Think about how much more barbaric people where back then.Public Hangings,Impalment,People used to keep heads on spikes for trophys,Hell if you lived past 35 you were like a god.I love how people say "oh he played violent video games or Listen to death metal or Loved horror movies" so he must be mentally unstable.Whatever happened to people just being F*CKED UP IN THE HEAD!!!!
sorry i double posted
It's sad. It's not videogame's fault, he made a bad choice.
Sympathy to the families of the victims.
Jack Thompson has failed us all
why do idiots like him have to exist!
It's not the games that made him kill those innocent people.
It was his beliefs.
Get over it.
I found out that every killer atleast One time in his/her life sit on the chair..
so prevent people to do that.. for sure we will have less killers..
Jack Thompson should attack the water business.
Seems like he was an intelligent kid. Humanity's best and brightest always seem to go off attempting to exterminate humanity...
i guess he was just far too sane to see value in an existence that inevitably is shorter than 110 years.
DONT BAN GUNS BAN VIDEO GAMES U FKERS /sarc
If he coudn't get access to guns what would he kill people with knives? or Maybe Battlefiled DVD?
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