Skyrim Looks 'Way Better' On PC, Almost Went Next-Gen - Dev

NowGamer: Bethesda's Todd Howard has dropped facts on Skyrim's development at QuakeCon

[NuclearDuke]

Colour me surprised. I was sure that the consoles would have much better graphics than the PC version!
- Wait....

[hamoor]

The jump between oblivion and SKYRIM is very big!
Almost the biggest jump in graphics this gen along with uncharted 1 to uncharted 2 jump.

[Substance101]

Well lets not forget PC version will also be getting mod support, which will make the game look even better.

Even if console version has mod support, consoles are already maxed out when it comes to the graphics department, hence i wouldnt expect to see hi res texture mods for consoles. Imo PC versions just gonna look better as time goes on.

Its just not about the graphics though, PC version also will be running at a smooth 60fps.

[mrmikew2018]

It is? I'm excited for the game like everyone else. But it doesn't look that much better than Oblivion.

[arjman]

It would be after 6 years lol

[Arnon]

Oblivion to Skyrim is a much, much... much... bigger jump than the Uncharted series.

@Holdmedownma2008

What?

Oblivion:
http://students.guildhall.s...

Skyrim:
http://i751.photobucket.com...

[SasquatchXD]

@Holdmedownma2008

What?

Oblivion:
http://fc09.deviantart.net/...

Skyrim:
http://cdn.gamerant.com/wp-...

[TheIneffableBob]

Technically, it's not a huge jump, but Skyrim's art is much more consistent in quality than Oblivion's and the direction is better too, imo.

[nycredude]

Are you guys serious? It is only a big jump cause oblivion on pc AND consoles looked like ass! Glitches galore and the faces come on? 4 voice actors?

I know the game will be excellent but I just hope it doesn't glitch left and right. I'm getting it on pc btw. I hope they sort out the gamepad support cause the first one sucked in that regard.

[Shinuz]

@nycredude

What?
I didn't know Arena had gamepad support.

[AKS]

It should look significantly better on PC, but it will still be an awesome game on consoles.

Console versions -> awesome game
PC version -> awesome game with even better graphics and animation

Win-win situation for everyone.

[jessupj]

It's a pity I can't somehow collect trophies while playing the PC version.

O well, guess I'll get both.

[Anon1974]

Yeah, it might look great on YOUR PC's. That, of course, is the catch. At least with consoles you can be guaranteed that what looks good on one PS3/360 is going to look the same on another PS3/360. You don't have to worry about it. With PC games I'm always left wondering "Ok, will mine look ok? Do I have to turn off half the features to run at a decent frame rate? Can I run the game at all?"

The majority of us don't have PC gaming rigs so it's always a crap shoot wondering if a game is going to turn out ok. I don't have to worry about that on my consoles, and I'm all for no hassle gaming.

[socomnick]

reason to get it on pc is not only better graphics but.

+ faster load times
+ no pop up
+ Way way better graphics
+ 60+ frame rate

and best of all

MODS

can't wait for the realistic arrow mod that makes arrows hurt depending on where they hit and you can make people bleed out from arrows etc.

[powerofcell]

@darkride666

I know lol, these PC gamers just dont get it.

With console we know its gonna be low res, 20-25fps, no mods, we know what are getting :)

With PC so much uncertainty i mean sure 3-4year old pcs may play this at max settings but thats uncertain.

Most of us console gamers would rather take a confirmed low configuration with no options to change things, then say a high to max setting for a 3-4year old PC. Just soo much uncertainity and options it almost hurts my brains.

[Anarki]

do bears shit in the woods?

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

Someone should do a video showing which one takes the longest to start playing.

[BulletToothtony]

i guess since the debate that ps3 has better graphics than the 360 some buttsore people simply switched to PC better than consoles to feel better about themselves.

Are we gonna have a "this game" is better on pc from now on, on EVERY new game that comes out, cause there's been one of these articles every other day since about a couple of months ago.

[AKS]

@BulletToothtony

I've been confused as to why the disparity in graphics need to be pointed out. I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised that the PC version has better graphics. The BF3 submissions were especially strange.

[Arnon]

Making a gaming rig that outperforms a console isn't exactly hard. Just because there's a max setting, doesn't mean you need to reach it.

Most of the settings on the PC version will make it a nicer looking game than on the console. The only person to blame about not having a gaming PC over a console is the person complaining.

[RedDead]

It's not really a surprise, but the 360 version is lead platform, so you wouldn't expec the PC version to be THAT much better, just the extra rez etc

Yeah not counting the mods anyway, of course mods will rape everything else

[Substance101]

High res texture mods say hi.

[pr0digyZA]

probably have longer draw distance with less pop in of sceney, I have oblivion vanilla on PC and xbox totally different, not even with mod support. When I played on my 360 grass was flat after a certain point, yet on PC there wasn't any of that except in the far mountains (before mods of course)

http://www.gamespot.com/fea...

[Jocosta]

Not sure what you mean by mods will rape everything else. Are you suggesting that Joe Blow wanna be is a better developer than the developers themselves?

[radphil]

"It's not really a surprise, but the 360 version is lead platform, so you wouldn't expec the PC version to be THAT much better, just the extra rez etc "

A constantly changing and upgrading platform not much better than a static hardware platform?

Ugh...what happened to logic.

[STONEY4]

"Not sure what you mean by mods will rape everything else. Are you suggesting that Joe Blow wanna be is a better developer than the developers themselves?"

Graphics wise, yes.

Morrowind:
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Oblivion:
http://tes.ag.ru/oblivion/m...
http://www.tesnexus.com/ima...

[TheGameFoxJTV]

LMAO A console lead platform on a Bethesda game! LMAO, who do you think this is?! Bioware?!

[InNomeDiDio]

Skyrim visually better on PC!? What a suprise! PC>Consoles according to Graphics. When will people finally see this? Still get it for console.

[Merivigian]

Because games are funner on a 48" than a 12" screen...

[vil311]

@Merivigian
Heard of HDMI and gamepads for PCs?

[kramun]

@Merivigian

There's no such word as 'funner'.

And you can easily connect a pc to an hdtv.

[InNomeDiDio]

"Funner" ... where did you get this from?

[vickers500]

@vil311

Gamepads don't work very well on pc. Go and install the motionjoy drivers for your ds3 and play two games like Bioshock and Call of Duty 4 with the ds3 on your pc.

Then after that, go play those two games on a ps3 with a ds3. There is an extremely huge difference. Gamepads are only a viable alternative to consoles on CERTAIN games, and when I say certain, I mean very very few. There are only a few games in which it works PROPERLY.

[andyboy13]

@Merivigian Yea because my 27" 1080p monitor is soo 12". Also, 27" from 2-3' away looks bigger that 48" from 8-10' away imo... You have have a way larger FOV and still feel natural.

[vickers500]

"Anyway, you obviously don't have a gaming PC, because if you did, you wouldn't complain about lack of controller support for a first person shooter. In other words, you don't know what you're talking about."

So just because I prefer using a controller for FPS, that means I don't know what I'm talking about? I can't prefer a different method of controls other than keyboard and mouse? Are you really THAT offended that people have different tastes and opinions as you? Holy crap dude, get some help.

And yeah, I do have a gaming PC. It's not top of the line, but it's enough to run most of my games at high, and I've been buying a sh*t ton of games from steam on the sales, so yeah, I do know what I'm talking about. Add me on steam and look at the games I've purchased if you want proof, my username is the same as my steam name.

I also recently bought a 360 gamepad, and while it works better for more games, it's still NOWHERE near even close to working properly for even 30% of PC games.

So your whole argument about simply using a gamepad on a PC is bullsh*t, as it's not a viable alternative to consoles.

Until developers implement native and proper controller support (has to feel the exact same playing with a pad on both console and pc, which right now it doesn't), then I and a lot of other people wont consider switching to PC primarily.

Controllers simply don't work very well on the majority of PC games. You may think I'm wrong for wanting to use a controller to play FPS (even though I'm not, as controls are entirely subjective, but I wouldn't expect someone as immature, disrespectful and ignorant such as you to understand that concept), but if I'm to switch over to PC, which I really wish I could as it has a lot of advantages over consoles, then every PC game (barring the RTS/MMO genres) must have PROPER controller support, and as I will repeat myself again, proper means using a controller on the pc version must feel EXACTLY THE SAME as using it on the console version.

[Bonobo12345]

@Moragami

I prefer the DS3 for FPS's, I like the greater sense of immersion.
Your statement is immature and childish, "only a retard would try to play FPS's on PC with a Playstation controller"

echoing vickers's sentiments, when I see a comment like that I know that I'm dealing with a particularly immature individual... I have been trying to get motionjoy to work with battlefield BC2 on PC for the best part of an hour now, and it sucks... Its not a simple task especially if your 64bit, you have to disable force driver option at start up..... even then the analog sticks fail to work.. A PC is not = all controllers. If you want to play with a PS3 controller at least, just get on PS3.

I prefer a gamepad for FPS's, why? because I find it more immersive.

"Anyway, you obviously don't have a gaming PC, because if you did, you wouldn't complain about lack of controller support for a first person shooter. In other words, you don't know what you're talking about."

Maybe if you'd try using a DS3 on most games you would see the problem at hand, but instead you judge through your pre twisted pathetic ideals.

[Holeran]

You sure you didn't mean "more funner".

[Getowned]

my pc screen is 24" and i find it almost too big because im so close to it...with a pc you don't need a 40" screen but if i really wanted to i could hook up my pc to my 46" 1080P HD Plasma Tv but i like the way my pc is set up the only thing i would change is get a better chair and not a wooden one...but i have a job so thats next on my list..

[Arnon]

FPS titles with a DualShock 3... ugh... what a broken concept. PC gamer here. If I had to use any controller for my PC, it would be a 360 controller, or nothing at all.

Also, yes. You can easily plug in a PC to a gargantuan TV. You know what's funny about doing that? Your console version on the TV will run at 720p or less native, and have it upscaled to 1080p, while the PC will have it at native 1080p on your TV.

[mastiffchild]

@arnon-I used to game exclusively on PC when it came to shooters and used a keyboard and mouse for years but the thing is I moved to console for shooters because K/M ISN'T immersive for me anymore AND on consoles everyone has the same tech and, by and large, uses the same control input resulting in a better test of skill and a fairer test of skill.

Would I murder EVERYONE if I used a mouse? Yes. Yes, but just because an input is most effective doesn't mean it's the BEST. I got very suick of never knowing if I won or lost purely because my mouse was worse or better than the next guys or whether the other guy had painted out the backgrounds to highlight enemy players and so on.

For SP games I also prefer using a pad these days(the only time I use a mouse is playing TF2 on PC)where it makes sense and that's most shooters to be frank because, again, a mouse is TOO effective and with it aiming on two planes gives my gaming a very artificial feel(for me)so it's not a case of someone being some kind of noob for wanting to use a pad.

Also, I've used a DS WAY more than a 360 pad(which I don't like much) so why must I use a pad I don't like to please you?

I keep a rig because I like to keep up with what#s available and possible but i also like to get lost in my games and, for me, that usually improves with a pad and as I also work a lot at my ONE desktop I diobn't always want to game on it AND the missus dioesn't like it invading the living room and as such I can't hook mine up to a big enough screen to sit back and relax like I can with the consoles-and I wouldn't miss Brawl,wouldn't miss Gears and wouldn't miss Uncharted or Wipeout or any of the other console only series I love just because I have to use a pad.

I just think PC gamers let themselves down with this thought that the only right way to play any game with a gun in it is with K/M when it isn't true. In terms of fairness and a test of your own skill it's misleading on PC and I don;'t find a mouse as immersive even IF some of that is down to it making human leads seem superhuman ion what they can do-a victim of the input's own quality in a way. It's not like console only gamers laugh at PC gamers who don't use a pad for fighters or platformers, now is it?

[Bonobo12345]

@mastiffchild

I could not have put it better, my feelings exactly.

I Love gaming on my pc but the kb/m hinders my immersion a lot of the time. For me that's more important.

[vickers500]

"I could not have put it better, my feelings exactly.

I Love gaming on my pc but the kb/m hinders my immersion a lot of the time. For me that's more important."

Same here. With a controller, I forget that I'm holding a controller and get completely immersed in the game I'm playing.

With a mouse and keyboard however, I'm ALWAYS reminded that I'm using a mouse and keyboard, and if you lose your left hand position on the keyboard, you either have to look back down at your keyboard or feel around for that little nub that sticks out of the F key so you can reorient yourself, which kills the immersion even more (and yeah, I know how to type without looking and that crap).

[SonyPS360]

Exactly.

Still, certain fanboys will still get angry and try to refute it in a comments section.

[Sgt_Slaughter]

Okay, PC gamers Vs. Console gamers in 3...2...1... GO!

[Cmpunk]

im surprised that this can fit on the xbox

[starchild]

Yeah, and I'm especially surprised that it can work on the PS3, considering its RAM constraints.

I'm getting it on the PC without a doubt.

[beavis4play]

if you can't troll any better than that - why try?

[Iroquois_Pliskin]

hmm what RAM constraints?

[reynod]

You would have to be a blind fanboy not to consider 256MB of ram a limitation. Lol even 512MB is very small. Before someone screams PS3 has 512MB of ram, yes we know it does however its split which is a huge limitation.

[cee773]

the ram can be used as one so its 512MB same as 360 people just a lil more work at best for developers

IMO sony should of gave the ps3 at least 512 system 256 video, it would have been the biggest edge over the 360. PS3 released a year later and im pretty sure the system ram was cheaper by then.

So microsoft & sony stop bein cheap with the damn ram it better be plenty next gen.

[evrfighter]

Actually ps3 is limited in that anything pushing 256 mb of ram can't be done. It means 360 can put out larger amounts of memory while you have to split it in half on ps3

[BrianG]

@Cee773

Your right about the RAM, 512MB is 512MB.

But the system RAM in the PS3 is XDR RAM. That is already more expensive than DDR3 RAM and is much faster.

EDIT: System RAM being 256MB of the total 512MB.

[Ranshak]

@briang

You do realise that the System Ram on PCs is not used for any graphical tasks. Its the Ram on the GPU thats used for graphical stuff.

A 4 year old GPU like 8800GTX which launched along with the PS3 has a memory bandwidth of around 90GB/s.

The Cell is much talked about for its graphics ability, now please realise the Cell must use XDR RAM for its graphics. XDR on the PS3 rated at about 25GB/s.

Now compare that to the 8800GTX from 4 years back and we infact come to a realisation that XDR ram for Graphics is infact very slow.

8800GTX infact came with DDR3 RAM. Conclusion XDR isnt really faster then DDR3. Graphics memory specifications do not equal system memory specifications, Hence we note when DDR3 is used on Graphics cards dating back to the time when PS3 was launched DDR3 was infact much much faster then XDR.

[SonyPS360]

You just had to get the consolites started on the tech-talk, didn't you?

You're better off having a discussion about rocket science with a 4 year old.

[Bladesfist]

CLEAR UP!

PS3 has a combined 512 mb of ram

half of this can be used for graphics and half can be used for other tasks.

Xbox has 512 mb of ram

The developer can choose to split this in whatever ratio he chooses.

[Voxelman]

I can't wait to see just how much better.

[andibandit]

If developers would learn to code for the PS3 and if the last couple of SPU's were unlokced, there would be nothing to wait for.

[Voxelman]

What? Modern PCs are many times more powerful than the PS3. And they are less likely to show PS3 footage than PC footage...

And as for the disabled SPU the reason it was locked in the first place was to improve yields as ~20% of CELL processors had a defective SPU so they decided not to use one so they didn't have to trash as many CPUs. If they unlocked it 20% of PS3s would instantly fail so it's not going to happen EVER!!!

[meetajhu]

inb4console'port

[wallis]

This makes me excited to see it on PC.

By the time you throw in things like user made texture packs and addons we're gonna be looking at one gorgeous game.

And I'm glad because frankly the graphics of this game have so far been... okay. Although don't get me wrong I love the elder scrolls and I'm gonna love skyrim, I did kind of feel that it was a shame that due to the current console's desperately long life cycle the next elder scrolls wouldn't be next-gen graphics.

[pr0digyZA]

If we saw a next gen elder scrolls we probably wouldn't believe it was real shots from the game.

[tdrules]

my god the TESNexus owners better get some more servers ready, this is the first time an Elder Scrolls title has been available on Steam day one.

[Letros]

Oh man, I can't wait to see the creative mods for Skyrim! Better graphics are nice and all on PC, but the real deal are the mods!

[Fishy Fingers]

Community should have a ball tinkering with this.

[Cpt_kitten]

wow some big news a game originally made for the PC looks better on PC.....shouldn't this be common sense who really cares, it looks amazing on the consoles aw well and is gonna play just as fine so we all win here no reason to start a freakin console war out of a game we all can play and enjoy

[wallis]

It's not originally made for the PC. The elder scrolls games have always been fair to all platforms.

In fact skyrim was made for consoles and ported to PC. Bethesda have said so themselves, but they did it for oblivion too and to be fair they're more than happy to include day one mod tools and a fair amount of graphical optimization.

So yes this is big news actually, and no it's not common sense.

[Cpt_kitten]

.......go learn your elder scrolls history 1 and 2 were only on the PC and were text based RPG's

been playing them since the beginning

[Stately Gentleman]

Arena and Daggerfall were no text based rpgs.

[hassi94]

Wallis I think was questioning that you said the game was originally made for the pc. Now you're saying the series was originally made for PC. The GAME, Skyrim, was developed on Xbox then ported over to PC and improved.

[hamoor]

Somewhat off topic

But I want a gaming pc but I don't know much about what to buy and such and where from?

[Substance101]

Well first tell us where are you staying, usually if you are in the US or Europe getting these parts is very easy, specially making one yourself can be very cheap.

PM me ill help ya out on a build.

[Letros]

Visit our thread hamoor, we'll be glad to help.

http://forums.n4g.com/Offic...

[hamoor]

bubbles for you.

i live in uk by the way.

and ill try to ask in the thread you linked.

[tdrules]

Best UK retailers for parts are Scan, ebuyer, and occasionally Overclockers.co.uk

[Si-Fly]

@hamoor : I bought my gaming pc from Overclockers UK in April, absolutely love it and they have a great team of guys working there to advise you if you tell them your budget and what you'll be playing.

[Huntmaster17]

I hope this helps a bit.

http://i1002.photobucket.co...

[MrDead]

.... whats the point of this article?

[trikster40]

You can't have a game coming out on both PCs and consoles without talking about how much more awesome the PC version is. You must not have read the N4G terms of agreement?

Next up: Rage.

[Hozi89]

So where the NEWS in this article...I am 100% sure everyone knew this already.

[BeastlyRig]

- http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Sidewinder-]

lmfao! xD

[ElementX]

It would be funny if it came out for WiiU and it blew the PS3/360 visuals away.

[Substance101]

Why would it be, PS3 and Xbox 360 are very old. Would be a shame if the Wii U version wouldnt out perform them significantly.

[ElementX]

Well everyone seems to think that the graphical power of the WiiU will match that of the PS3 and 360. Nobody really expects it to be vastly superior.

[bozebo]

It will be vastly superior. Infact, if they wanted to make the graphics hardware equally as bad as 360 and ps3 they would have to spend MORE money, because chips that weak aren't being manufactured anymore.

[limewax]

not true, they buy rights to manufacture such chips themselves. If they want the rights to an 8 thread IBM and use 512ram so be it, its not an impossibility...... I mean do you really think gamecube-power chips were being manufactured when the wii released?

[susanto1228]

Right about the time I get home I will get
Intel's newest E Core 6 quad series
12GB of ram
2 TB
and Nvidia's TOP Card...

Already have=Samsung 46" 12HZ LED

doubt it if console's can match that maybe the
new consoles coming out but even that will be
outdated because PC technology is wayyy to fast
for consolels...

SKyrim>Uncharted 3...sorry fanboys it's true.

[xX_Altair_Xx]

What u just specified there would cost £1500+. Would a console that costs £300-£400 when new ever have that type of cost base? Doubt it. Last I checked Sony/MS/Ninty were in the console industry to make money.

[Pro_TactX]

The cost does not matter to those of us who can afford it.

[xX_Altair_Xx]

@ Pro_TactX

I think u misunderstood my comment - the cost would matter to the console makers. Sure the price may not matter to some people. But can you see 50m PS3s/360s being sold at £800+ and still Sony/MS making a huge loss?

[Pro_TactX]

No I don't suspect that consoles will ever be as expensive as gaming PCs. The console manufacturers cater to people who just want to plug in their machines and play their games. There is absolutely nothing wrong with just wanting to play.

The PC crowd is just a different sect of people. We don't mind spending more money for a better experience. PC hardware manufacturers cater to us. Console manufacturers cater to console people.

I just think that making comparisons to price is pointless. We don't mind the price.

[Substance101]

Altair even if someone were to buy a 1000usd PC, the PC is much cheaper then console in the long run. This is because games are much cheaper on PC. Console gaming is expensive.

Just 1 steam discount is enough to make a 1000USD PC cheaper then console.

[xX_Altair_Xx]

@ Substance101

I see what you're saying; but that is subjective since it depends on how many games someone buys; I rarely buy games day one and do not pay full price. I'm about to buy AC: Brotherhood on PS3 for £12.

[reynod]

@Altair

Not buying games day one further puts the advantage in the PCs court, why?

Because console games dont drop in price quick enough, they stay high for a long period of time. PC prices on the otherhand drop fast and within 2-3months of release most games are already on discounts on Steam or D2D. Hence buying games not day one scews things further in the PCs favor.

What about BC? by the end of the gen you may have bought 1000's of USD worth of games, you dont even know if those same game will work on the next console, you may end up having to keep multiple machines just to play your old games then also rebuying those same machines if any of those fails. With PC pretty much any old game will be run by a current machine, heck any console game aside PS3 and Xbox 360 is also playable.

[bozebo]

I dunno about you guys but gaming has been a lot cheaper for me since I moved to PC (bought a graphics card).

[MrDead]

Unless what you listed there costs £200 why compare?

[Grip]

why in hell u want 12GB of ram ????... 8GB will do more than fine..

[DA_SHREDDER]

Why would you even need 8 gigs? 4 gigs is overkill if you ask me. BTW, does anyone know if this is coming to Onlive?

[goku32359]

thats like saying apples > oranges. cant we just say that they're both gonna be great games?

[trikster40]

Here is the unfortunate thing for you: 99% of games are made FOR consoles these days due to user base and lack of piracy. So even though you have a supercomputer than can launch a space shuttle, you're still bottlenecked by consoles. Sure, your graphics card will give you sharper textures, better AA, and more FPS, but in the end, the PC version is using the exact same information but just has the ability to handle it better.

In the end, the game is the SAME. You can get mods for the PC to extend your playtime with the game, but most gamers will beat it and move on. Console gamers will move on to Uncharted and Gears of War, and PC gamers will move on to SWTOR and Diablo 3 (OOH can't wait for either of those!)

The key thing to take away from this is that consoles and PCs offer different experiences, and these experiences don't make on definitively better than the other. I plan on playing thru Skyrim on my PS3 because I enjoy the controller and my 7.1 surround sound on my 60" TV and trophy support, then I will probably get the PC version later for mods.

[Bladesfist]

Your an idiot. "99% of games are made for consles" WRONG! Probalbly more like 10% if you count all pc games through all generations, mobile games and portable games, Still only counting pc vs one console and their will be more new releases on steam alone than on your console.

"PC version is using the exact same information but just has the ability to handle it better. "
Yes sometimes we do get screwed over and get a shabby port but that goes both ways as sometimes you get a game ported from pc to consoles and it dont work as well. BF3?

"...but most gamers will beat it and move on."
Pcgamers are very different to console gamers in this regard and a lot of pc gamers stick with one game for a long time. CSS? Starcraft? How old are these games yet they still have bigger communities than any console title released in that time period.

"I plan on playing thru Skyrim on my PS3 because I enjoy the controller and my 7.1 surround sound on my 60" TV and trophy support, then I will probably get the PC version later for mods." And here is what made me realize your an idiot or a troll. Hook your pc upto your 60" TV and sorround sound. IT WILL perform better and run the game at 1080p... What kind of gamer uses trophys as an excuse to buy a game on a platform thats weak.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I saw a clip of the Howard demo at quakcon. He stated it was the 360 build and you heard audible groans from the crowd. I think he had to say that otherwise the crowd might turn on him. I mean its pretty obvious pc versions will look nicer by sheer resolution alone. This game is going to be epic.

[death2smoochie]

"skyrim looks way better on pc"

[listenkids]

I heard that PC will make the most money for them with this game, oh wait.

[BabyCarlos]

Like The Miz would say: Really? Really?! I mean c'mon. Skyrim looks shit. I mean, not shit. But if you're honest, it doesn't reach out for the graphics throne, because it can't. It's not even better than Harry Potter.

[Inside_out]

.
I don't think anyone that has seen the 360 version will be disappointed...take a look...

http://youtu.be/9ov2FTXRSxM

There are no two PC's the same, the experience in the PC community, much like Battlefield 3, will be different among all the users where as the 360/PS3 console version will ALL have the same experience...BIG DIFFERENCE.

The console is plug and play, while the PC community is plug and PRAY it will look half decent.

[Letros]

What?

[BattleTorn]

plug and pray! that's hilarious...ly true!

whenever i game pc i spend more time fiddling with performance and mods than actually enjoying the game for what it is.

Go vanilla!

[caboose32]

Oh man, he really believes what he is saying?

You make the people of this earth look naive and idiotic.

[bozebo]

Most of them are though...

[caboose32]

Haha, completely true.

You get a highfive and bubble.

[1PC2PS33360]

any pc from the last 4 years with a $75 graphics card will DESTROY the console versions!

And by destroy I mean utterly and completely obliterate the console version which will be dirty sub-hd, plauged with jaggies and pop-in, run at a very slow 20-30 frames per second and have have low resolution textures, agitated shadow flicker and much much shorter view distance, less depth of field, like all console games.

The pc version will be the game as the devs intended it, the consoles are ALWAYS a compromise of vision.

Again, any 4 year old pc with a $75 GPU will CRAP on the ps3 and 360 version!

and, just so you know, there are well over 270 million pc's that meet and exceed those specs, what is the size of the xbox360 community?

Maybe 20 million if you subtract all the broken ones !

http://www.firingsquad.com/...

[caboose32]

Yea completely agree with you. People don't seem to understand that with most of these new games coming out, you only need a computer about 4 years old to run it MUCH game better than a console can run it.

They seem to think that you need the absolute HIGHEST end pc hardware to beat a 6 year old piece of tech. But no, thats not the case. It's completely ignorant to think that.

But when it does come down to it it is the actual gameplay that counts, and I have more fun with my pc. My brother gave me his PS3 for my birthday and I just get bored with it so damn quickly. I don't really know why.

[swinesucker]

Lol. A 75 dollar card even today is really nothing to shout about. 4 years ago a 75 dollar card was exactly what IS IN the ps3/360. You are delirious if you think some shitty card from 4 years ago is going to destroy anything. I have a gaming PC and I didn't spend 75 dollars on my card or I could barely play anything decent and that was two weeks ago.

The consoles are what they are. But you are full of shit. 4 years ago you would need a 200 dollar card or more to properly shit on consoles and a bunch of RAM as well.

Even with a modified 6870 IceQx Turbo I am still amazed at what they get out of games like KZ3 and U3.

[ATi_Elite]

Waiting to see HD video of Skyrim PC so i can compare it to The Witcher 2.

but right now TW2 is just flat out all around better.

waiting to see more!

[TABSF]

The Witcher 2 may have better graphics however

The Elders Scrolls III: Morrowind
The Elders Scrolls IV: Oblivion
The Elders Scrolls V: Skyrim

These games have changed RPGs forever, I would easily put it every Bethesda games ahead of The Witcher or other such as games Dragon Age.

[ATi_Elite]

1. How can Skyrim change anything when the game isn't even out yet!!

2. If you have played The Witcher 1 or 2 you would know that they are classics and every bit as good as The Elder Scrolls. Some prefer the The Elder Scrolls some prefer The Witcher.

so go buy a real PC and play them instead of being a console fanboy cause by your comments i already know you have not played TW1 or TW2.

[bozebo]

Oblivion changed RPGs forever? What?

I'm pretty sure it didn't, though it is a fantastic game.

[neogeo]

I want to play this on the new Sharp Elite TV. Best TV ever made!

[maxmill]

No duh

But if the game looks like crap on console, thats their fault

But from what ive seen it looks great

[SITH]

But if? As if there are no video or pics of skyrim on consoles. It is the PC footage that is rare. What the heck do you think you have been seeing since the first skyrim vid was made public? Gameplay on the Xbox.

The game looks great on Xbox.

[maxmill]

you clearly didnt read the end

jeezus

[SITH]

And you clearly don't know how to establish a subject and maintain consistency in what you said. You reffered to consoles and never left that subject. But expect people on this forum to assume you did? Quit being cryptic and say what you mean. Your a big boy now use your big boy words and well formulated sentences. People here want to read what you have to say but you got to say it effectively.

[SephirothX21]

The game looks great on 360. I'll be playing it on PC but it will be an excellent game on all platforms.

[barb_wire]

I wonder what type of "anti-piracy" protection Bethesda puts on the PC version?

I'm still getting it for the PS3, my PC won't to be up to muster to play it as intended..

Either way, I can't wait.

[beqerel]

very strange , lol
if xbox cost 3000$ maybe would have better graphic

[Angrymorgan]

what???^^

[zero_cool]

Well they could of ran skyrim at 60fps on the consoles just look at rage on the consoles it runs at 60fps without any performance hitches.

[zero_cool]

Also the developer team working on skyrim can scale the game's resolution at native 1080p on PS3 they don't have to upscaled the game's resolution & or run the games resolution in sub hd that's entirely the developers choice.I mean the the developer team working on skyrim can be polish the visuals more without sacrificing anything to match the higher resolution because there's plenty of flexibility,performance & capabilities on PS3's hardware to get the job done it's just some developers are too lazy to put in the extra work it's not rocket science after all!

[kramun]

Do you really believe all that crap?

[swinesucker]

PROLLY DOES.

[death2smoochie]

"Also the developer team working on skyrim can scale the game's resolution at native 1080p on PS3..."

So why is it that NOT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY GAME ON THE PS3 that is graphic intensive runs NATIVE 1080P if as you claim developers are just lazy and it's easy and it's not rocket science to make games NATIVE 1080p on the PS3...A Super Computer you keep telling everyone on N4G?

So that makes Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerrilla Games, and Santa Monica Studios and all the rest of the PS3 1ST/2ND party studio developers lazy then as ALL those PS3 games run 720p native?
They must be stupid lazy developers then because not ONE of those games MADE by those companies (that happen to be Sony's graphical power house games) runs NATIVE 1080P? Not a SINGLE ONE.

So zero_cool, you must then say those Sony 1st/2nd party developers are lazy then because they can't do it....are you saying this? That' what you stated above:

"because there's plenty of flexibility,performance & capabilities on PS3's hardware to get the job done it's just SOME DEVELOPERS ARE TOO LAZY to put in the extra work it's not ROCKET SCIENCE after all!"

Yup...You just called all those Sony 1st/2nd party developers stupid and lazy as all those games they made for the PS3 run 720p....

And RAGE is a totally different type game than Skyrim and the reason it will not run at 60fps on consoles.
You are comparing Apples to Oranges once again.
Don't you get tired of believing all the Sony PR about the Cell and other PR talk Sony yapped about in 2005, 2006...I await you to post your Tech demo links and papers about this that were dated in 2005,2006...
And like others have said:

Do you actually believe all that crap you type?

[Snowii]

hurr durr console hardware sucks pc rulez!

*gets intant agrees*

[Angrymorgan]

^FAIL^

[Snowii]

why?:P

[Angrymorgan]

errm...no instant agrees maybe??!

[cervantes99]

Man there is a lot of console hate lately - must be the end on the current generation.

I would love to get back into PC gaming, but the games I like to play are not on the PC.

Uncharted, God of War, Gears, Halo, MGS, Ratchet & Clank, etc...

[1PC2PS33360]

how many times can you play uncharted or god of war, those games are 12 hours and done, the multiplayer in uncharted 2 was fun for me for about 10 more hours then back to the rental store.

I always rent console games, they
have hardly any replay value, except demons souls, halo reach, killzone 2 and lbp2, i own no other console games, there is no point!

My PC collection numbers over 500 games, about 180 on steam alone...Why???

PC games get better with age, people mod them, convert them, community patch them

look at gtaiv...it looks better on pc right now than any games on next gen console will look for the first 2 years....look at dooom 3 with the recent mods.....looks better than any xbox360 game

look at the mods for things like crysis 1, theres about 500 hours of single player mods, oblivion same thing

Neverwinter nights 1 and 2 could be played for the rest of your life and you wouldn't have time to try the tens of thousands of mods people have made

Point being, a pc game, at least a quality one like skyrim, is an investment in the life of the game, the first time you play it on day 1, you play the developers version, later, maybe even a year or two, you say hey.....let's see what the community has come up with and BAMMM

You're flying on the back of the biggest baddest dragon skyrim has seen, with uber texture upgrades making the game look better than ever before and new locations and weapons to play with

Then 4 years later, there are complete and full games that are better than the original skyriim for free all over the web for you to enjoy, meanwhile console gamer just have the same old thing that they bought day one :(

[Laika]

maybe that doesnt bother people... like me.

pc games have been fun for me, but console gaming just feels better to me. if you really only go back to play games for graphic mods then you are really proving the point that pc gamers care for nothing but graphics. with a graphic mod its still the same game you have played before.

i go back and play old games all the time, it doesnt need to be improved to draw me back. i go back for nostalgia, the story and just the overall fun of the game. if you need mods for everything maybe you have add

[mttrackmaster38]

All you just talked about were how pc games have superior graphics, proving that's all you care about. And just because you don't like most console exclusives doesn't mean other people don't.

[SP3333D-O]

Prove it, Bethesda! Give us some comparison stills and gameplay footage!

[1PC2PS33360]

what is there to prove, every multiplatform pc game looks better than every multiplatform console game by a GIANT margin just with higher res textures, hiigher resolution and more anti aliasing alone, then add in true dynamic lights, soft shadows, better framerate, no-pop-in, no screen tear,

Every single game from the last 20 years is BEST on pc!

[SP3333D-O]

I agree. I just want them to give us an earlier look. :)

[yamzilla]

The truth comes out, two months ago they were saying besides resolution and higher texture count the would be similar and I knew it was BS!!!

And I also stated that they wanted new hardware for it but were like,
"Shit, these console manufacturs are not gonna release new hardware and our PC version of Skyrim is almost done, let's just to a super low res-sub-hd, pop-in filled port for the 360 and ps3 so we can cash in!"

The PC version will DECIMATE the console version with great prejeduce!!!!

[Ve_Chuy]

Console always has had horrible graphics when u see the screenshot in gamessites it looks awesome but when u see the game playing it looks horrible blurry graphics lack of antialias and the games sometimes lag horrible for example go and watch some Killzone 2 screenshots in gamespot and then wacth the game running it doesnt look the same image , I have a ps3, Xbox 360, and Pc, Pc isnt the most popular platform but is the best for play, you can play with mouse and keyboard or play with controlers, u can chat in msn, facebook, check websites and even make ur fuckin homework while playing just have to press alt+tab while in a game, you can do so much things, besides the graphics that are awesome every multiplatform games always look better on the pc "Dragon age, GTA IV, Call of duty, Battlefied, Assasin Creed, etc and I bet that if Uncharted 2, Resistence 2 or God of War would be on pc it will look better, and rembember that pc has exclusive games as well, just to mention all strategy game starcraft, age of empires, warcraft, down of war, company of heroes, etc, and the MMo games, Maybe it is a little expensive if u want play Max quality but it worth the money

[Laika]

the same could be said for pc gaming. the screenshots for that never look as good as the game playing. i thought the gtaIV graphic mod looked really good so i looked up videos and it didnt look nearly as good as a still image of it.

[Modestmex]

The game will be great on all platforms period. but a just a tad better on PC.

[walken7]

Tad better?

[Modestmex]

better graphics, mods yeah.

[walken7]

notice I didn't have a problem with the "mods" comment gcolley, now you're the one missing the point. Anyone in their right mind who has a pc that will run this game better than a ps3 will get it for the pc, especially if, they played oblivion on pc.

[walken7]

I think you're missing the point. The PC should be able to blow it away. I love my PS3, but my $800 dollar PC can kill my PS3, and I'm about to upgrade my VC and RAM for Skyrim.

[gcolley]

what point? graphics? is that your point? do graphics equal everything? his point is it will BE great on all platforms. if you can't enjoy a game unless it is on super high settings then that is your problem. i myself prefer great gameplay

[iNFAMOUZ1]

Ok that's it I can't take it anymore, we need new consoles already !!!!!!!!!!!!!! bring on the next gen I say.

[powerofcell]

Negative Cell is not maxed out yet :P

[Bladesfist]

You sir are an idiot. The PS3 only has 256mb of ram available for graphics. Thats what needs upgrading.

[walken7]

What video card will run this maxed settings, at 1080p?

[Ulf]

You know its a 580 GTX or *maybe* a HD 6990. Why would they shoot for anything less?

[walken7]

I'm running a Radeon HD5830 right now, wondering if I should upgrade now or wait for benchmarks after the game is released.

[1PC2PS33360]

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

that right there (for $134) will make the console versions look a gen behind, anything higher and you will be able to pump up the anti aliasing and draw distance to really make it shine

[Ulf]

My advice would be to get a GTX 460 for another $25 ($160 from NewEgg) -- 150% the texel & shader performance of the 550 Ti for not much more. The only advantage the 550 Ti has over the 460 is pixel fillrate, and that only comes into play with monstrous monitors -- as in the beyond 1080p kind.

If you have a monitor like that, you should just bite the bullet and get a 560 Ti or a 580, or your per-pixel performance will degrade, just to fill the extra pixels with less interesting results.

The GTX 460 is the 2nd or 3rd best nVidia card available, performance/price, only slightly to the $60-$70 more expensive 560 and 560 Ti, and its definitely the biggest bang under $200. A 550 Ti, OTOH, is bested by a 9800 GT, when it comes to texels, and you can get one of those for about $80 new.

EDIT: Walken's 5830 HD clobbers a 550 Ti, when it comes to texels. There aren't many cards that beat it, outside of monsters like the 6870, or the 560 Ti and its betters. Some of those cards he might need a new cooling solution and PSU for, as well.

[Ulf]

Considering that this would be on $2000, 12GB RAM, 750W PC hardware, and next gen consoles may only be a couple years out, I'd have to say that this actually DOES look "next gen" -- because the next gen just won't be as big an upgrade as the last, due to tech advancement issues.

The PC titles coming out in the past couple years is what the next gen of consoles will look like, folks, if we're lucky... except the Wii U, of course.

[Huntmaster17]

Interested in building a PC then check out the link!

http://i1002.photobucket.co...

[TitanUp]

most games support 360 controllers now which works just like playing xbox,pc graphics are great and steams community is top of the line can't go wrong with pc gaming oh yeah don't forget to connect your pc to a 50 inch hdtv

[DOOMZ]

Still going to get it for my 360 though... I enjoy Achievements, chatting with my LIVE buds & just hanging on the couch playing on my 60 inch...

[Jacks_Medulla]

Same here. I understand the graphics will likely be significantly better on the PC; however, all of the footage they have shown so far has been on the 360, and it has all looked amazing. For as much time as I expect to sink into this game, I think I would rather be on my couch anyway.

[Toman85]

Im in my couch playing PC, PS3, X360 and Wii on a 46", no problems there. For me its the PC version I will buy since I have a quite nice PC :)

[parasit3]

isnt the console crowd convinced that PC is more powerful and graphically stronger than any console?

[Bolts]

Considering the fact the same console hardware that was powering Oblivion is still in use today, it should be bloody obvious the PC version should be better by a long shot.

[WorldEndsWithMe]

QuakeCon: Come for the games, stay for the long winded speeches and PC gamer chest thumping.

[madcowz64]

I would love to get it for PC but unfortunatley if it looks really good my laptop will struggle to run it, I mean I can run most current gen games on high(ultra if I'm lucky), but when it comes to Crysis 2 or The Witcher 2 I'd say medium at the most. I'll just buy it for 360 to be safe.

[Rashonality]

just give us a game with good foundations (animation and the A.I) and the community will take care of the other stuff (Models, Texture, even new missions and TC), the animation looks great in the video demo that got leaked , but we need more footage of the city and NPCs so we can really judge.

hmmm, so i'm in a position of doubt, but i'll just have to wait and see.

[air1]

But will the pc gamers actually pay for it?

[Snowii]

i dont see why cant you have a console and a pc

i play pirated copies of single only games on my pc

and multi on ps3 :D

[gcolley]

stating the obvious. this is just trolling for hits and all the fanboys take the bait once again

[mamotte]

But's always like this! How can people be surprised by it?

[tee_bag242]

Ill get it on PC only if it supports controllers. Otherwise Im going to wait to see which is better out of PS3 or XBOX. My Gut says XBOX at this stage but Oblivion was substantially nicer on PS3.

[annus]

'If' it supports it? You are on a PC, if it doesn't work download a controller emulator and input the controller settings yourself.

[tee_bag242]

Annus thats what I do mate. I'v been replaying Morrowind with a 360 pad on PC for petes sake and its awesome but I seriously hate the f@#k around setting up games sometimes. Newer games shouldn't be excused. By now, they should all have Plug and play support like Valve do.

So Yes - If it Natively supports it on PC ill be getting it

I Don't mean to sound aggressive (I know your only trying to help - your point is valid) but you shouldn't be so surprised that this the draw card for me and many people with consoles. The standardization usually causes a lot less sleepless nights tinkering on the rig.

[SuperSaiyan4]

again...Yes of course PC version will look better BUT that depends on your setup. Those who prefer playing on consoles have various reason to why they prefer console version of games such as its cheaper to just play it on the console, no messing about with having to get or wait for patches because they game doesn't run on their PC, their pc isn't capable and they dont want to spend loads of money on getting a pc or parts in order to keep up to date in order to play pc games on the highest settings.

An AMD Radeon HD 6870 will play most games on the highest settings but that graphics card alone costs around £140...

I recently built a new PC as my last one which lasted around 7-8months died, my 9800gt died then the bios went on my motherboard and I had a high quality parts setup! So now I have just spent another £500 building a new system.

[Ranshak]

First console isnt cheaper lets get that out of the way :) console games cost alot more then PC versions. Yes console hardware is cheaper by afew hundered usd however a single steam discount is more then able to turn that advantage around, later on everygame bought makes PC more cheaper.

Consoles need patches too and even firmware updates. In a case where the console maker or developer delays the patches console gamers are handicapped and cant do anything on their own. PC gamers on the other hand can get work arounds.

You dont need to spend loads of money to build a PC its only few hundered more then a console :)

Yes 6870 costs 140GBP but then the games it plays are much cheaper then console versions. you dont need to pay all those online and royaltities to MS and Sony anymore.

If you did build it recently, what happened to your warranty? Consoles fail too, in fact console failure ratio is higher then PC. When consoles do fail and you are out of warranty you need to replace the entire system there are no fixes to remove the component that went bad. With PC if a GPU goes bad and you are out of warranty, then its only the GPU that you need to replace, hence maintainance of a PC in the long run is cheaper. I dont see how you dont have you warranty if you built your PC 7-8months ago. Also the fact 9800GT is atleast 4 years old, why buy such old parts when you only built the machine 7-8months back? specially if you claim to have spent 500GBP(800usd) which is a lot of money to make a PC.

Sorry but either you are simply trolling or simply got butt raped by someone who sold you an old PC with no warranty, no reason you should have bought a 4 year old GPU with the sort of budget you claim to have spent.

[Lord_Sloth]

No shit it looks better on PC, Captain Obvious! You computer elitists are fucking stupid!

...And trolls!

[MrJack223]

10 things Todd Howard would never say:

1. We've given you less less things to do in Skyrim.
2. We've decided to scrap the dragon-theme-thingy, they really didn't work out.
3. Skyrim is the new Mass Effect.
4. I have no idea of how to sell my game to the audience.
5. I actually don't have any clue at all as to what's going on in this weird game right now.
6. You now have guns and lasers instead of a lousy bow to play around with.
7. The console version of Skyrim will graphically outshine the PC version.
8. Skyrim will be coming exclusivly to "Wii" in november.
9. There is no "Skyrim".
10. We sold our souls to EA.

[outwar6010]

ohh i see what you did there lol da 2 did suck

[outwar6010]

i want to upgrade my pc for this game would getting an xfx 6850 play this game at high settings?

[reynod]

Price difference between a 6850 or 6870 is only 15-20usd i would recommend you get the 6870 its an awesome GPU and will play anything maxed out.

[outwar6010]

in the uk the price difference from the store is £50 (generally we pay 2 to 3 times more honestly i think about flying to usa for like a day and buy a shit load of stuff )

[devilhunterx]

2 questions:

Does PC have a "gen"?

Do PC gamers actually play games, or just keep tweaking their settings for an extra FPS.