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Submitted by Cal664 1490d ago | news

Notch: Bethesda are suing us, here’s the full story

Notch: "A lot of people want more details about what is going on, so here is everything I know:

First of all, I love Bethesda. I assume this nonsense is partly just their lawyers being lawyers, and a result of trademark law being the way it is.

About half a year ago, our lawyers recommended us to register “Minecraft” as a trademark, so we did. I had voted against it initially, but we did it anyway. Better safe than sorry, and all that. At the same time, we also applied for “Scrolls”, the new game we’re working on. We knew of no similarly named games, and we had even googled it to make sure. I’m not even sure if you CAN trademark individual words, like “Scrolls”, but we sent in the application anyway." (Bethesda Game Studios, Industry, Minecraft, Notch, PC)

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pangitkqb  +   1490d ago
I love Bethesda, and am a huge Elder Scrolls fan, but if this is legit, they need to pull their heads out of their litigious asses.

Only a jackass thinks that trademarking/copywriting every word is reasonable. There really is room enough in the creative world for everybody.

Best of luck to both companies and the games they produce.
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JsonHenry  +   1490d ago
Pfft. They patent our GENES in this country. Why can't they patent a word?

Yes, YOUR genes that God gave you are being patented by companies. NOT the process in which they isolate them BUT YOUR ACTUAL GENES.

Don't believe me? Google it! If you can patent a GENE then what can't you patent?
humbleopinion  +   1490d ago
Absolutely right - Only god didn't give you you genes, evolution did....
Or is this some kind of religious nonsense psuedo-science creationists are pulling now?
Craptain_Steel   1490d ago | Off topic | show
Heartnet  +   1489d ago
You couldnt patent a Gene othwerwise if u patented the Gene that gives us Blonde Hair you could sue any1 with blonde hair.. wouldnt stand up in court.. which makes ur theory invalid
JsonHenry  +   1489d ago
Oh really, Heartnet? - http://www.reuters.com/arti...
gaffyh  +   1489d ago
I don't think Bethesda's suit will hold up in court.
ultrapepe  +   1489d ago
Only altered genes may be be patented. In order for anything to receive a patent it must first be proven that what is being presented was created by the people presenting it. So this means that yes genes are being patented, but those are not "our genes" they are altered genes.
gamingdroid  +   1489d ago
@ultrapepe
"So this means that yes genes are being patented, but those are not "our genes" they are altered genes."

What if those "altered" genes happen to be the genes that was given to me at birth? Can they sue me?

It's kind of like patenting random social security numbers. Because it isn't in use, doesn't mean it won't be in use.

PS, I didn't give you a disagree, cause I don't disagree.

@gaffyh

Minecraft can probably afford lawyers, but that is the problem of the court system today. Any moron lawyer with two quarters, can send you a piece of paper that would cost you tens of thousands for no reason at all.
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SephirothX21  +   1489d ago
Let people believe in God if they choose to. I personally don't but have no problem with whatever fairy tales people like believing in.
thesummerofgeorge  +   1489d ago
"The implication that you could own the right to all individual words within a trademark is also a bit scary."

^^^ This.

And on a side note: This ---> "God doesn't exist"
gamingdroid  +   1489d ago
@SephirothX21
"Let people believe in God if they choose to. I personally don't but have no problem with whatever fairy tales people like believing in."

I only have issues with religion, when they constantly tell you to convert or how you should be.
Micro_Sony  +   1490d ago
Tell that to Apple who think think that the word app store belongs to them.
evrfighter  +   1490d ago
they lost that battle thank goodness.

I'm still lost as to what kind of person actually went through the trouble of filing all this paperwork thinking a game called scrolls is infringing on the elder scrolls...

perhaps this person has some major beef with trees and is one upping environmentalists?
beastgamer  +   1490d ago
Well its like how Apple trademark their name Apple Inc.
App Store was something they wanted to call their selections of applications and since app is abv for application that can't be a trademark since companies use it, so they came up with app store and since it wasn't know or no one had that idea, Apple got it, no i find this one BS because Bethesda trademark The Elder Scrolls, not Scrolls. It's like how Microsoft wants App Store which is something Apple made up, a phrase but not a word so they can't claim app. So its like Microsoft just wants to use that name since they feel it brings success. Bethesda probably feels the same. Which I think is retarded.

I don't know what I just wrote o_O
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gamingdroid  +   1489d ago
@beastgamer
I don't know what you wrote either and some more paragraphs would be nice.
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Kee  +   1490d ago
So I couldn't use the word Warfare in my game? Or Rings? Or Derby? (just some random examples but you get the idea) Or any other single word that's ever been in a game title?

That's lame and if this lawsuit goes through, the whole trademark system is a shambles.
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gamingdroid  +   1489d ago
Next thing, you can't use the letters either!
Bull5hifT  +   1489d ago
Kart, Super, III, GOW, i always thought God Of War shoulda Sued Gears of war.... Call Of Duty Shoulda sued Call of Juarez, Would Kenturkey Fry'd Chiggen be Sueable?
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palaeomerus  +   1490d ago
Change the name of the upcoming game to "Scrolls: $#@# Bethesda, and the lawyers they rode in on, right in the Ear! "

Some useful synonyms for "scroll" might be parchment, annal, chronicle, codex, writings, scripture, manuscriptum, vellum, papyrus, canon, octavo, folio.
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Pikajew  +   1490d ago
Hope Notch wins. Elders Scrolls and Scrolls are to different name. I doubt Bethesda copyright the name elder and scrolls differently, they copyright elder scroll as one word. Looks like we cant have a game called super elders

Bethesda will lose a lot of sales for doing this to an indie company.
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Cajun Chicken  +   1490d ago
Realistically, this situation doesn't suprise me. Look at the Fallout IP deal between Interplay and Bethesda, the agreement was for Bethesda to buy the IP on the conditions that Interplay could make a MMO of Fallout, (which was originally their IP before bankruptcy) and now what are Bethesda clamiming?

...That they can't use Fallout insignia such as Nuka Cola and other ingame products. Add to that, apparently Interplay's timespan to make the game is up soon and what are Bethesda doing?

...Trying to sue Interplay to gain the rights to make their OWN Fallout MMO.

Disgraceful. It's almost like they planned it from the start.
Horny Melon  +   1490d ago
Except that last I heard it is likely that Interplay will win and if they do they are likely to win back the rights to Fallout.
Ardorme  +   1490d ago
Bethesda owns everything Fallout now and the agreement was, as you said, that Interplay would be allowed to make a Fallout MMO.

As it turns out Interplay is broke (again!) but continue to use the prospect of a Fallout MMO to continue on and potentially gain funding to continue on with a nearly non-existent project.

Zenimax, tired of waiting around for something that at this point will never happen have been trying to use litigation to force Interplay's hand, allowing them to develop the MMO in-house.
Horny Melon  +   1490d ago
Actually Interplay has a functioning alpha (documents submitted to court as evidence) when Bethesda told them to cease and desist, at this point the game is on hold due due to court proceedings.

What the court will be deciding is the validity of the contract. If the contract is determined to be null and void the rights to fallout revert back to interplay.
ElementX  +   1490d ago
They shouldn't lose any money. The developers and the lawyers are completely different entities. Just because some corporate lawyer wants to be a jerk doesn't mean that the developers should suffer from less sales.
Shinuz  +   1490d ago
All i have to say is fuck Bethesda!
Micro_Sony  +   1490d ago
I have reported you for bad language.

No need for those words on here.

Edit @ below: Your telling me to grow up because I told some one that he did not have to use a bad word to get his point across....my 13 year old brother visits this site and I dont want him seeing stuff like that.
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Zikron  +   1490d ago
I wish I could report you for posting unrelated garbage. This isn't Disney, grow up.
fr00ty-wizenhymer  +   1490d ago
Dude, your brothers 13? I'm pretty sure he not only heard the word fuck, I'm sure he uses it. Don't try to shield him from reality.
TheBeast  +   1490d ago
My thoughts exactly fr00ty. If he is "13" ten bucks says he knows every swear known to the teen kind.
Kishin  +   1490d ago
@Micro_Sony fuck off :)
Quagmire  +   1490d ago
Reported for being FUCKING off-topic.

Anyways, stick it to the man, Notch! Hope you win the lawsuit, a pretty stupid one at that.

Since when is Oblivion and Skyrim constantly referred to as THE ELDER SCROLLS: OBLIVION/SKYRIM?
TheTwelve  +   1490d ago
Dude, that's like Kojima suing Epic Games for having "Gear" in the title of their games.

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limewax  +   1490d ago
Santa Monica didn't have much to say about the 'Of War' thing either
TheTwelve  +   1490d ago
lol
OcularVision  +   1490d ago
I swear God of War came first.
Micro_Sony  +   1490d ago
@Above - Nope War Gods came first
War Gods is a 1996 fighting arcade game. It was created by Midway Games and was eventually ported to the Nintendo 64, PlayStation and Windows in 1997.
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limewax  +   1490d ago
Conceptually gears came first, but yes god of war released first, this was my point, they didn't raise an issue with Epic even though the name is so close and the acronym is exactly the same
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ElementX  +   1490d ago
Facebook wanted to copyright Face and Book.... so this isn't the first time
CrimsonEngage  +   1490d ago
By their logic VALVe should sue Morgan Freeman for having the same last name as Gordon.
MorbidPorpoise  +   1490d ago
Shouldn't it be the other way round? :P
YogiBear  +   1489d ago
Yes, I believe Morgan Freeman was in development long before Half-Life.
oddexarcadia  +   1490d ago
Bethesda should really bring it down a notch.
YYYYYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH HHHH!

I'm not sorry for that horrible joke. XD
BeastlyRig  +   1490d ago
They're also suing The Old Republic for using 'The'.
hilyou  +   1490d ago
now thats really getting out of hands, come on! bethesada! come on, this is pretty stupid!
ElementX  +   1490d ago
Or bring down a notch?

even worse joke :P
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Servbot41  +   1490d ago
I can't feel sorry for the person who ripped off Inifiniminer, charged for it, and got away scot free.
Chocoboh  +   1489d ago
Ah, jealousy will get you nowhere my friend. He has millions in the bank and I couldn't care less either.
NewVegasTroop  +   1490d ago
fuck interplay and their MMO, fallout should remain as a single player experience, not to mention that it will break the fallout canon just like tactics and brotherhood of steel, obsidian FTW!!

Topic: this is stupid, having rights of a word is stupid and shouldn't be allowed, seriously WTF? you minecraft guys shouldn't be going through this trouble.....
crackerface_whitey  +   1490d ago
I hope the Bethesda lawyers get in a car crash and suffer there horrible injuries for hours and then die in hospital
Kamikaze8  +   1490d ago
I dont think theres any legitimacy to Bethesda's case.

Btw, "Bethesda are suing us"? Haha
blackhammer  +   1490d ago
It's silly.

Gears of War. God of War. It'd sound like, in a situation such as this, that one company would have sued another for using "of War."

Just... silly.
YodaCracker  +   1489d ago
Dawn of War
Theswweet  +   1489d ago
If this actually gets past the court... I will have lost all faith in man-kind
YodaCracker  +   1489d ago
I have already lost all faith in mankind. And apekind too.
Bay  +   1489d ago
Might as well sue any game with the words "The", "And", "Of" and any games that have numbers in their names.

Oh no! Gears of War 3/Fable 3/Uncharted 3/Modern Warfare 3 have the number 3 in them! Let's sue.
Human Analog  +   1489d ago
I have been thinking of copywritting, and trademarking the Alphabet. I hear it is still available.
Hozi89  +   1489d ago
And this is 1 of things I hate about America. You all are so weird. It's a fucking word, not the same title as the name of your game Bethesda, but you still wanna be royal dickheads?

and the other reason is that Patenting Genes crap...that's really gay if they do that in America. You all should repent immediately and maybe God(Jesus, Who really does exist)will have mercy on you all.

No offense to the Americans who are against this crap.
UnwanteDreamz  +   1489d ago
At least in the US we learn to read. They are being sued by a Swiss Lawfirm. From the article......"Today, I got a 15 page letter from some Swedish lawyer firm".

Go talk shit about them sport.
Hozi89  +   1488d ago
Hey, I'm not here to argue. All I'm saying is that Bethesda is an American Studio and if not for them then there lawyers wouldn't be doing this.
chadachada123  +   1485d ago
I'm down-bubbling you for trolling, since I think that the only reason you're putting in the bit about God, and Jesus being "god," is for trolling purposes.

Your first statement is the equivalent of saying "And this is 1 of the things I hate about America. BP is a British company, and if not for them, then their lawyers wouldn't be doing this."

(Fixed your spelling of "their," too.
danielle007  +   1489d ago
This is ridiculous. Team Notch, for sure.

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