Notch: Bethesda are suing us, here’s the full story

Notch: "A lot of people want more details about what is going on, so here is everything I know:

First of all, I love Bethesda. I assume this nonsense is partly just their lawyers being lawyers, and a result of trademark law being the way it is.

About half a year ago, our lawyers recommended us to register “Minecraft” as a trademark, so we did. I had voted against it initially, but we did it anyway. Better safe than sorry, and all that. At the same time, we also applied for “Scrolls”, the new game we’re working on. We knew of no similarly named games, and we had even googled it to make sure. I’m not even sure if you CAN trademark individual words, like “Scrolls”, but we sent in the application anyway."

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pangitkqb2664d ago (Edited 2664d ago )

I love Bethesda, and am a huge Elder Scrolls fan, but if this is legit, they need to pull their heads out of their litigious asses.

Only a jackass thinks that trademarking/copywriting every word is reasonable. There really is room enough in the creative world for everybody.

Best of luck to both companies and the games they produce.

JsonHenry2664d ago

Pfft. They patent our GENES in this country. Why can't they patent a word?

Yes, YOUR genes that God gave you are being patented by companies. NOT the process in which they isolate them BUT YOUR ACTUAL GENES.

Don't believe me? Google it! If you can patent a GENE then what can't you patent?

humbleopinion2664d ago

Absolutely right - Only god didn't give you you genes, evolution did....
Or is this some kind of religious nonsense psuedo-science creationists are pulling now?

Heartnet2663d ago

You couldnt patent a Gene othwerwise if u patented the Gene that gives us Blonde Hair you could sue any1 with blonde hair.. wouldnt stand up in court.. which makes ur theory invalid

gaffyh2663d ago

I don't think Bethesda's suit will hold up in court.

ultrapepe2663d ago

Only altered genes may be be patented. In order for anything to receive a patent it must first be proven that what is being presented was created by the people presenting it. So this means that yes genes are being patented, but those are not "our genes" they are altered genes.

gamingdroid2663d ago (Edited 2663d ago )

"So this means that yes genes are being patented, but those are not "our genes" they are altered genes."

What if those "altered" genes happen to be the genes that was given to me at birth? Can they sue me?

It's kind of like patenting random social security numbers. Because it isn't in use, doesn't mean it won't be in use.

PS, I didn't give you a disagree, cause I don't disagree.


Minecraft can probably afford lawyers, but that is the problem of the court system today. Any moron lawyer with two quarters, can send you a piece of paper that would cost you tens of thousands for no reason at all.

SephirothX212663d ago

Let people believe in God if they choose to. I personally don't but have no problem with whatever fairy tales people like believing in.

thesummerofgeorge2663d ago

"The implication that you could own the right to all individual words within a trademark is also a bit scary."

^^^ This.

And on a side note: This ---> "God doesn't exist"

gamingdroid2663d ago

"Let people believe in God if they choose to. I personally don't but have no problem with whatever fairy tales people like believing in."

I only have issues with religion, when they constantly tell you to convert or how you should be.

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Micro_Sony2664d ago

Tell that to Apple who think think that the word app store belongs to them.

evrfighter2664d ago

they lost that battle thank goodness.

I'm still lost as to what kind of person actually went through the trouble of filing all this paperwork thinking a game called scrolls is infringing on the elder scrolls...

perhaps this person has some major beef with trees and is one upping environmentalists?

beastgamer2664d ago (Edited 2664d ago )

Well its like how Apple trademark their name Apple Inc.
App Store was something they wanted to call their selections of applications and since app is abv for application that can't be a trademark since companies use it, so they came up with app store and since it wasn't know or no one had that idea, Apple got it, no i find this one BS because Bethesda trademark The Elder Scrolls, not Scrolls. It's like how Microsoft wants App Store which is something Apple made up, a phrase but not a word so they can't claim app. So its like Microsoft just wants to use that name since they feel it brings success. Bethesda probably feels the same. Which I think is retarded.

I don't know what I just wrote o_O

gamingdroid2663d ago (Edited 2663d ago )

I don't know what you wrote either and some more paragraphs would be nice.

Kee2664d ago (Edited 2664d ago )

So I couldn't use the word Warfare in my game? Or Rings? Or Derby? (just some random examples but you get the idea) Or any other single word that's ever been in a game title?

That's lame and if this lawsuit goes through, the whole trademark system is a shambles.

gamingdroid2663d ago

Next thing, you can't use the letters either!

Bull5hifT2663d ago (Edited 2663d ago )

Kart, Super, III, GOW, i always thought God Of War shoulda Sued Gears of war.... Call Of Duty Shoulda sued Call of Juarez, Would Kenturkey Fry'd Chiggen be Sueable?

palaeomerus2664d ago (Edited 2664d ago )

Change the name of the upcoming game to "Scrolls: $#@# Bethesda, and the lawyers they rode in on, right in the Ear! "

Some useful synonyms for "scroll" might be parchment, annal, chronicle, codex, writings, scripture, manuscriptum, vellum, papyrus, canon, octavo, folio.

Pikajew2664d ago (Edited 2664d ago )

Hope Notch wins. Elders Scrolls and Scrolls are to different name. I doubt Bethesda copyright the name elder and scrolls differently, they copyright elder scroll as one word. Looks like we cant have a game called super elders

Bethesda will lose a lot of sales for doing this to an indie company.

Cajun Chicken2664d ago

Realistically, this situation doesn't suprise me. Look at the Fallout IP deal between Interplay and Bethesda, the agreement was for Bethesda to buy the IP on the conditions that Interplay could make a MMO of Fallout, (which was originally their IP before bankruptcy) and now what are Bethesda clamiming?

...That they can't use Fallout insignia such as Nuka Cola and other ingame products. Add to that, apparently Interplay's timespan to make the game is up soon and what are Bethesda doing?

...Trying to sue Interplay to gain the rights to make their OWN Fallout MMO.

Disgraceful. It's almost like they planned it from the start.

Horny Melon2664d ago

Except that last I heard it is likely that Interplay will win and if they do they are likely to win back the rights to Fallout.

Ardorme2664d ago

Bethesda owns everything Fallout now and the agreement was, as you said, that Interplay would be allowed to make a Fallout MMO.

As it turns out Interplay is broke (again!) but continue to use the prospect of a Fallout MMO to continue on and potentially gain funding to continue on with a nearly non-existent project.

Zenimax, tired of waiting around for something that at this point will never happen have been trying to use litigation to force Interplay's hand, allowing them to develop the MMO in-house.

Horny Melon2664d ago

Actually Interplay has a functioning alpha (documents submitted to court as evidence) when Bethesda told them to cease and desist, at this point the game is on hold due due to court proceedings.

What the court will be deciding is the validity of the contract. If the contract is determined to be null and void the rights to fallout revert back to interplay.

ElementX2664d ago

They shouldn't lose any money. The developers and the lawyers are completely different entities. Just because some corporate lawyer wants to be a jerk doesn't mean that the developers should suffer from less sales.

Shinuz2664d ago

All i have to say is fuck Bethesda!

Micro_Sony2664d ago (Edited 2664d ago )

I have reported you for bad language.

No need for those words on here.

Edit @ below: Your telling me to grow up because I told some one that he did not have to use a bad word to get his point 13 year old brother visits this site and I dont want him seeing stuff like that.

Zikron2664d ago

I wish I could report you for posting unrelated garbage. This isn't Disney, grow up.

fr00ty-wizenhymer2664d ago

Dude, your brothers 13? I'm pretty sure he not only heard the word fuck, I'm sure he uses it. Don't try to shield him from reality.

TheBeast2664d ago

My thoughts exactly fr00ty. If he is "13" ten bucks says he knows every swear known to the teen kind.

Kishin2664d ago

@Micro_Sony fuck off :)

Quagmire2664d ago

Reported for being FUCKING off-topic.

Anyways, stick it to the man, Notch! Hope you win the lawsuit, a pretty stupid one at that.

Since when is Oblivion and Skyrim constantly referred to as THE ELDER SCROLLS: OBLIVION/SKYRIM?

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