Battlefield 3 will "probably" ship with an online pass system, DICE's Patrick Bach has told GamerZines, but there's still some confusion over how the team plans to implement it.
Doesn't matter.. Buying this game new as I do with every game I'm interested in. If you don't buy the game new where the developers and publisher get what is rightful theirs you don't deserve to play the online part of the game anyway.. Just my thoughts..
Pretty much this. Going to buy the game day one brand new. Won't effect me.
This just keeps getting better.
"The vast majority of games published by EA within the past year, however, have shipped with an online pass system which blocks second hand users from accessing the game's online multiplayer unless they purchase a pass from Xbox Live Marketplace or PlayStation Store at an additional cost." WTF! Xbox Live is gonna have this online pass stuff too now? Damn, I thought they just did that for Madden lol (Didn't know of the other previous EA titles that had a online pass since I always buy new).
I'm buyin it day one too, but it will effect me. In BF:BC2 I liked rampaging with the ol' Carl Gustav so much that I made an alt account named 'Uncle Carl' just to have fun an do stupid shit. But no. 'Uncle Carl' didn't have the VIP code... -_-
if you have more then 5 ps3's it will.
Better yet, try lending the game to your friend! Ahhhh, can't play online? That's OK, you will be supporting the publisher whom last quarter made a paltry sum of $232 million profit last quarter, up from a tiny amount of $176 last year. EA only claims to be the largest publisher in the west! http://www.thesixthaxis.com... You do want to support the industry don't you?
nothing confusing u buy new which i will u get the online pass. u buy used u buy the online pass
I don't like these online pass systems. If it didn't exist more people would be there for me to play against online. For example Dead Space 2... The multiplayer is a little tacked on but also a bit of fun, there are also less and less people playing it... If those who bought it 2nd hand would be able to play online then maybe those who payed would get a bit more life out of it. EA are greedy is all, they're making plenty of money - they'll always want more.
Won't affect me as I'm getting it on PC. Poor console only gamers.
"Going to buy the game day one brand new. Won't effect me" - DRM affects everyone, legitimate buyer or not. @gamingdroid How dare you attack our wonderful little mom and pop store known as EA! lol Exactly, though, it will keep you from lending to friends, playing it on a friends' consoles, etc. Even if it allows for 5 or whatever uses of the code....that's still a limited use. If you have more than 5 or 10 or whatever friends, it's a potential and highly unfair problem.
I'll buy it new too. Amazon for me.
i always buy from amazon free release date shipping for prime and they dont charge tax also games can be $55 before there released so i save a lot
Yeah same I'm going to buy it new. Don't know which platform tho.. (x360, ps3 or PC??? :S) Prob all of them eventually hahahahahha
I have a bunch of disappointed PS3 friends, but BF is meant to be played on the PC. Send out the lynch mobs!! Smaller rooms, smaller maps... no KB/Mouse support all spells out PC purchase for me.
The reason im not buying it for pc is cos of keyboard and mouse it sucks cant aim with it , and with a gazillion of buttons on keyboard
I have a x360 controller wireless receiver thingy. Even though ill get trashed but oh well... still havent decided which platform im going to get it for.
@MrPatriot You're as bad as the Wii people who said there were too many buttons on the ps3 and 360 controller.
dont care... BF:BC2 is the only game i own since it launch... and i have inverted 500+ hours Worth full price!
Yeah but what if my son wants to play also, on my PS3 system, with my game that I bought new. It's not a used game but it seems like I will have to buy him a pass in order for him to play online. Free multiplayer was one thing PSN had over Xbox Live and it seems that are effectively getting rid of that.
How are they getting rid of that? Xbox owners have to pay the online fee AND the online pass together if they buy used. PSN is still free so you just have to buy the online pass which is $10 usually. Also, why don't you just let your son use your profile to play if you're so concerned about paying for another pass?
No, you won't. Once you activate it on a system, it works on that system.
@ raWfodog Idk if you know, but you'll have to play for the online pass from the Xbox marketplace as well if you buy used. I think some previous EA titles have had the online pass for both consoles for awhile too. Edit: Also true what Biggest said, you don't have to continue paying for a new pass for multiple sub accounts as well. It's system based, so if you use your friend's PS3 or Xbox360, you will have to pay for another.
@Biggest It wasn't for NFS: Hot Pursuit
@radphil - Yes. It was.
That weird because my brother has fifa 11 and he activated his pass on his system and then sometimes he would use my system to play and didn't require a new pass cause he would use his account on my system.
@Urrkia55 - I meant figuratively getting rid of free PSN if you have 5 used games that each required $10 online pass. You see, it's now technically the same as Xbox Live. And I know XBox Live will also require the pass but I don't play on Xbox Live so that doesn't concern me. I was just focusing on PS3. I may not be aware of all the details but I thought that each user had to pay for an online pass even if they were all on the same system. If I'm wrong, good. But I haven't seen anything yet that said otherwise.
The online pass will work for all accounts on your ps3. Just like when you buy DLC it works for all accounts.
@JellyJelly Then apparently their system had a mess-up, because the last 3 codes we did worked on an account basis, not system basis.
Buying a game new isn't the issue for me, I buy all my games new and the only time I ever bought used was out of print games. Even then it has only been a handful of time. On the flip side, this is directly reducing the value and freedom of your game. They essentially just took something existing claimed they needed compensation, yet their profit was $200 million last quarter, as an excuse to charge you more. I'm boycotting games that have an online pass. I don't see Activision charging me for a pass, instead they give you a premium service then asks for more money. If you want to support them, it is a free country and capitalism rules (even if I don't like the result), but don't spout nonsense about developers need their cut. They got their cut when you bought the game the first time!
Has there been any announcement on dedicated servers yet? I *believe* BC2 had dedicated servers on consoles, and I would expect them to have dedis with BF3 as well. It could justify the online pass a bit then since they're at least providing a service.
Nice post. I'm usually against anything activision does but they got it right. Even used copies is more exposure. I wouldn't go as far as saying a lot of what makes cod successful is all the exposure it gets through the used, borrowed, and rental copies. I like how publishers are now assuming they got a instant hit and will milk it for all it's worth. ea's worst enemy is ea themselves and it's been this way since bf2142
Ill buy this game new no question there. But im still not in favour of this online pass. or anyother Pass. It wasnt a issue 10 years ago its not a issue now. If you think its fare thats your right. im lucky i can afford new games but for thoes on tight budget have to wait till the game drops in price or buy second hand cos thats all they can do. then thats why im against it. its not the devs loosing money they get paid there salary like everyone else. its about greed and punishment from the big bosses upstairs. that want to squeeze them extra pounds or dollors. cant beleave im saing this makes me old but ive been gaming fr 26 years. so i know the devs arnt loosing money but greed has changed the past generation for the worst.
very very well said there. if you buy battlefield 3 used you deserve to be punished. BUY NEW
I'm perfectly fine with an online pass for this game. I'm purchasing new anyway to support the tremendous work Dice have done.
if they want a shot in Call of Duty's market share, they definitely should not even be thinking about an online pass for this game. BF4? Maybe. But right now, you want to draw in as many people as possible. Online passes, block that. Just my thoughts though.
Except DICE/EA already makes money by selling it to stores. The stores are what is hit hardest because with the online pass they get shit on when it comes to used games sales as well when they're the ones that bought the stock in the first place
yep... this hits the nail right on the head.. anyone gotta a problem with it, go play a used version of Mario Kart and GTFO...
Buying it day 1 anyways. Battlefield 3 will get in the way of exams, not the other way around.
Already paid in full at one of my local gamestops ..... cant wait !!!
it makes sense for dedicated servers on consoles i would pay for an online pass every month to have dedicated servers on mw3!
Yeah go on... keep saying stupid things like that until companies start to notice and get ideas about how to charge us even more money... I am buying the game day one, and will not be complaining as it is the same price as normal... but I certainly do not want to keep paying extras for different things.... Pay for it new, get your dedicated servers... never pay another penny except for DLC if it is good enough to pay for (such as Vietnam BF:BC2)
It's ironic you all would say that, because an online pass is already effectively limiting your freedom to use the game. At least, providing you with dedicated servers is an extra most games on consoles don't offer. Instead, they removed your freedom, repackaged it as a lesser version and essentially sold it to you under a disguise of compensation (read profit). I don't mind value-add... I do mind value-retract!
@gamingdroid I am not saying I agree with the online pass, in fact I agree with what you are saying, I just mean that I will be buying the game new and as it will not actually be costing me more I will not complain... doesn't mean I like it! But my comment to jbamg55 was because he was saying he would pay for an online pass every month for dedicated servers, my point was saying that is just the mentality that games companies want people to have. He might not be serious (or maybe he is), but it is just a stupid comment that doesn't exactly help keep us from paying more for less in the future!
JBAMG55 YOU ARE DESTROYING GAMING!
I just hope they make the Pass and the Preorder bonuses separate codes. I just hate when people that don't preorder still get the bonuses. That is just me, but however they do it. I will still buy day one.
Yes because you're one of those hipster kids, right? "If they have it it's not FAIR! I want to be special!"
No dude. Why state something as preorder bonuses and then have those that didn't preorder still get the extra content. What is the sense of preordering if those that didn't still have get the extra content? No reason to call it preorder bonuses then. If they have it, it's theirs. It's not a problem. I just don't like when Publishers call it preorder bonuses and those that don't preorder still get them. Hell I can pick up a copy of any limited edition 3 weeks to a month after release and still get the extra content. No reason to preorder. It's not the gamers fault it the publishers. If you look at it like how I'm looking at it; it's good for the gamer ans developers but still bad for Devs since for every limited edition sold, that is one less DLC bought from them. Those that disagreed with me are the ones that don't preorder but still want the pre-order bonuses. My favorite preorder bonuses are the ones that come on the receipt.
I hate online passes..
In soviet Russia Online Passes hate you!
just buy the game new and support the developers
It's not that, its when i decide to go play a game with an online pass at a friends house, when i download my gamertag for some reason the damn pass won't work.. I know its to combat the frigging used game sales, but if then they should just just give more incentive for buying the game when its released.
I always buy new but now it seems that if my son wants to play BF3 online on my PS3 with his account, I'll have to buy him an online pass. Like I said in my earlier post, PSN's free multiplayer advantage over Xbox Live will effectively be done away with if more and more games adopt this approach.
Stop with the spam lies. Once you activate it on a system, it works on the system. If you have multiple consoles, activate it on multiple consoles. Sony allows five. I'm pretty sure EA will stay close to that number.
@ Biggest Lol, I know right (Trying to make out like this is just on the PSN). I mean I'm pretty sure the folks who buy used on the Xbox 360 are gonna see that they have to pay so what's the point? Hell, past EA titles have had passes on both consoles as well.
Developers make the most profit when it drops to 30-40 dollars. Even Valve said this.
but not on used games
Hopefully people don't use this as ANOTHER excuse to start complaining about the game. Every EA game, almost, has an Online Pass. Eventually almost every game will have them, so we have to get used to it. Don't want to buy the game for full price, but still want the online? Wait for a sale or wait for the price to drop.
Or maybe make a positive incentive for someone to buy your game new, instead of detracting.
Well, they have that map pack that you get. But I guess that's a pre-order bonus, so that doesn't count. Positive incentive ... hmm ... you won't have to buy an Online Pass?
Not buy an online pass? Not good enough! *flips table* On a serious note though, it's this mindset that the companies try to make you set out as a bad guy by wanting to shop at a cheaper price. I wouldn't be surprised if a company like Activision starts taking more severe methods, like system-linking games, since at this point it's somewhat like that but with online functionalities. That is coupled with the fact that 1/2 the times companies are now rushing games, because they have to meet publisher timeframe demands. As far as the passes, it's the basic DRM method, except it takes from the active features of a game instead of shutting you out at start-up.
Where is inside_out? Maybe the PC camp already killed him, but that is off. Anyway, I was expecting this, but I got my BF3 copy preordered with some neat plus content, I´m buying games new anyway, so I don´t really care and BFBC2 VIP had some good maps, hopefully they follow it.
. Another reason to walk right on passed any EA product. Imagine paying for this game full price and finding out it's worth half the original price before you even leave the store...O_o A worst company than EA will be hard to find. The kids acting like EA is losing money after have already made money selling the game once are as dumb as they come. I hope EA loses millions and the 200 million Activision is suing them for would be a great start.
online passes are only used by greedy developers who wants to milk their customers. If you buy any second hand good, you dont need to pay extra to the manufacturer. Why should games be different? are pre order bonus Bs not enough to get people to buy new? Gotta get that online pass huh? bastards/
i agree there,even tho i always buy new i hate entering in codes just to go online ect or having to share an accnount..but i will pobably get this game for pc not sure yet.
also... consider this. they claim the online pass is so that they could pay for the server costs etc. this is a lie. If i buy a game, the online play for that copy should be guaranteed for a lifetime. If i sell it to you, it should be transferred to you, because i wont be able to play the game. so if you buy a used copy, only 1 person can play online not 2. therefore the devs are full of shit.
yeah I 100% agree ..but i find half the time as well the codes don't even work i got rock band 2,BFBC2 and a few outhers all new and each time i had to get a new code i don't know if it's bad luck or someone made a keygen and stole my codes.
i'll buy it new but that doesn't mean that i agree on the online pass , ihate it , if i bought the game used i payed for it , i didn't get it for free , if some one sell the game it means he didn't like the game so he don;t want to play it any more and it's not right hiding it , he will give another person to try it.. this is stealing , they had the money of the disc so they shouldn't take more , not for the campaign or the online , they got the money of the game ..
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for fuck sake those greedy bastards
Every game that has an online pass should at the very least have dedicated servers. Bad Company 2 didn't just have no dedicated servers, it also has some of the worst servers iv'e ever seen (PS3 version)