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Submitted by Proeliator 1089d ago | opinion piece

Battlefield 3: Evidence That Current Generation Consoles Are Horribly Outdated

OXCGN:

"Battlefield 3 is looking to be shooter of the year, and an all-time classic to set the precedent for what will be a very deciding decade of interactive entertainment.

"As a gamer who owns all of the consoles and who builds (and loves) the PC platform, I can’t help but feel pity for those who will be playing the title on a console.

"The PC version will run at true 1080p HD visuals, have support for 64-player multiplayer scenarios, and features unrestricted map size.

"The console versions, on the other hand, will run at sub-HD 720p, support a maximum of 24-player multiplayer, and have cut-down maps.

"Let’s face it: this is clear, blatant evidence that the current generation of consoles are horribly outdated, and are hindering what gaming can aspire to ascertain." (Battlefield 3, PC, PS3, Xbox 360)

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omi25p  +   1089d ago
Then you look at Uncharted 3 and Gears of war 3 and realise games this gen can still look amazing.
Pandamobile  +   1089d ago
At 720p and 30 FPS, lololol.

They can add all the fancy shaders, and lighting effects that can to console games, but resolution is arguably the most important thing when it comes to a visually pleasing game, in my opinion. I'd take BF2's graphics at 1080p and 60 FPS, than BF3's console graphics at <720p and <30 FPS.
powerofcell  +   1089d ago
Haha you PC gamers have no clue what you are talking about. The cell is a very powerful chip.

The real reason why PS3 isnt doing all games in 1080p yet is because Sony doesnt want devs to be able to take full advantage of the PS3s hardware yet.

"We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that (developers) want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so then the question is, what do you do for the rest of the nine-and-a-half years?" explained Hirai.

I agree with Sonys strategy, how would we see progress if all the hardwares potential was available on the first year of launch.

Edit: i see PC and Xbox gamers disagreeing, sucks to be stuck with outdated hardware, No cell no bluray, no RSX hahaha.
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JsonHenry  +   1089d ago
I wonder if powerofcell really believes that or if it is just a troll account?

Back on topic- Just because UC3 and Gears3 will look good on consoles doesn't mean that the consoles are not outdated. I don't think it a takes a genius realize that hardware that was lagging behind when it was launched is outdated all the more 6 years later.
PRHB HYBRiiD  +   1089d ago
so what if is at 720 30 fps they STILL look amazing and play very well i don't need 1080p to enjoy my game.
TheIneffableBob  +   1089d ago
Yeah, this is pretty evident in Resistance 3.

The post-processing effects and lighting in that game are beautifully done, but as a compromise the significantly cut the resolution. So the game is blurry and edges are blocky.
powerofcell  +   1089d ago
It doesnt really matter if BF3 is Sub HD on console. Most of us PS3 gamers actually prefer the blurry look. 1080p is just too sharp for my eyes.

Also its not like we wont be getting a 1080p option, i wouldnt be surprised if afew years from now a HD remake is announced on the PS4, at which time we will be getting the option to buy the game in 1080p, i say its a win win situation. We get to play the game in 720p today and get to play it in 1080p later, PC gamers are stuck in hi res land and have no options.
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Proeliator  +   1089d ago
@powerofcell Clearly, you are trolling. Your arguments are laughable.
SoapShoes  +   1089d ago
@Panda, they still look GREAT though. Resolution is good, but not the end all be all. I can play a game from 2000(Tribes 2) with ultra high resolution on my PC but it still looks like ass.
iamgoatman  +   1089d ago
@powerofcell

"Most of us PS3 gamers actually prefer the blurry look. 1080p is just too sharp for my eyes."

For the love of god don't say that too often, knowing this site it wouldn't take too long before people start repeating it and actually believing it.

On topic, despite consoles still knocking out some good looking games they're now getting a bit long in the tooth, 720p 30FPS has been the standard this gen but times change and hardware moves on, and the consoles need to as well.
badz149  +   1089d ago
@Panda
"I'd take BF2's graphics at 1080p and 60 FPS, than BF3's console graphics at <720p and <30 FPS"

seriously dude...just for the sake of trolling or what?

see the video below and many more on YouTube and even a child can see that BF2 looks like shit compared to MANY MANY games on consoles this gen! even Conduits on the Wii looks miles better!

http://youtu.be/aaqztgYn-L8
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Pandamobile  +   1089d ago
Problem?

When you line up a game running at 1080p on a 1080p monitor at 60+ FPS, then show a game that obviously has better graphics than it running at <720p on a 1080p screen at 30 FPS, one could argue that the older game at a higher res and FPS looks more visually pleasing because of how crisp and smooth the picture is.
Ravens20  +   1089d ago
Except that nobody cares about PC gaming. It's basically irrelevant "lololol"

Frame rate and all that stuff that makes the game look more pretty, doesn't make the game more enjoyable

It's still the same game.
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HeavenlySnipes  +   1089d ago | Well said
WTH
How do I have less bubbles than powerofcell?
Ducky  +   1089d ago
"Frame rate and all that stuff that makes the game look more pretty, doesn't make the game more enjoyable"

Please tell me that was sarcasm.

Frame-rate has a pretty big impact on how enjoyable a game is.
Hockeydud19  +   1089d ago
If console gamers dont own a pc then their happy with what they get and dont worry what a game looks like on pc. Pc gamers likewise. Pc gamers are always trying to shove their powerful rigs in peoples faces, but hey. If you like having to pay hundreds every few months to get the best graphics be my geust. Ill be using tht money to get the games i want.
Pandamobile  +   1089d ago
I haven't touched the internals of my computer in over two years and I can max run BF3 on max settings at 1080p and 40-60 FPS.

Oh, and guess what, I can also afford to buy all the games I want, plus tons of great indie titles on Steam.
SilentNegotiator  +   1089d ago
"720p and 30 FPS, lololol"? The snobbery never ends. It's not like 720p is unsightly or 30fps is unplayable. You're simply mad that console gamers are playing all of the games/series that used to be exclusive to the PC. If pretending like us getting games and being "demeaned" into playing at 720p30fps makes you feel better, good for you.
+1 immature for all of your comments.

OXCGN is ready for a new console? Shocker. /s
If there's any site plenty ready to see another system rushed out and pushed on us with billion dollar marketing campaigns, it's OXCGN or PX360.
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ZombieNinjaPanda  +   1089d ago
@Ravens

Clearly trolling, but I'll play along.

You're completely full of crap if you think no one cares about PC gaming.

/Done
Clarence  +   1089d ago
@Pandamobile
Well good for you. Its obvious that developers are making more money by bring games that once were PC only to consoles now. You can have all the graphics you want, but the truth of the matter is all these FPS are selling way more on consoles than on PC.

Thats without 1080p and without 60fps.
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starchild  +   1089d ago | Well said
The truth is, unless you own every single game platform you WILL miss out on good games.

But most of us don't have the time or the money to play EVERY good game out there. It's more about picking the platform, or platforms, that best suits your tastes and needs.

For me, most of the games I like tend to be multiplatform games. So whichever platform gives me the best experience with those games (in this case, the PC) is the platform I will tend to prefer.

The PC enhances my experience in quite a few ways: modding, better graphics & performance, better online options, etc.

I really have a problem with people who act like there is something wrong with caring about graphics or performance. They always insinuate that PC gamers care more about graphics than gameplay, which frankly is a load of crap.

Gameplay and story are of course the core of any game, and good graphics are never going to turn a bad game into a good one.

That said, once you have decided that a game IS worth your time, what is wrong with wanting to experience it in its most pristine and refined form?

It's like telling people they shouldn't care about getting that HDTV or Blu-ray player they are thinking about because it's "all about the movies". Well, duh, it's all about the movies, but that doesn't mean that you don't want to experience said movies in a more aesthetically pleasing way.

There is nothing abnormal about wanting to move from that 27" standard-def tube tv to a nice big-screen HDTV, nor is there anything wrong with wanting to experience the games you love with the best graphics and performance possible.
lMHl  +   1089d ago
she's got it, you got it, whose got it?, we got it!!!
GrandTheftZamboni  +   1089d ago
"I'd take BF2's graphics at 1080p and 60 FPS, than BF3's console graphics at <720p and <30 FPS."

Have fun. I'd rather play the game on my comfy sofa than at my desk.
Morbius420  +   1089d ago
@ Starchild
I can't believe you have only one bubble...have another.
net123456  +   1089d ago
Lol Powerofcell is clearly not a ps3 fanboy he just mocks PS3 fanboys. Its very sublime in the comments I read until now but here he showed his true intensions . Those commens where to much this time. Tune it a little down if you want to still pass as a PS3 fanboy.

BTW the blurry look most of the time doesnt come from low resolution but from quincux AA they blur the whole image to make jaggies disappear like in assassins creed that really looks ugly on PS3 so blurry its not even funny. I still have to decide whats worse. having no AA or having quincux AA. Infamous 2 would be pretty if not every edge would blink like a neon sign if you move. Resolution doesnt add that much to visual quality if you dont have a huge screen or sit 10 inches away. 32 inch 2 meters away and its hard very hard to tell if 1080p or 720p the further you sit away from your screen the smaller the screen is the less you are able to see the difference until its physically impossible to tell the difference at all. The blurry pictures in consoles have less to do with resolution and more with AA. Sometimes its even used at purpose like in Infamous where the picture is blurry until you start the electricity then it becomes clear. I can live with 720p what honestly bugs me is the size of maps getting cut and just1/3 of online players thats a reason to wait for a ps4 version or to buy it for pc. the ps3 comes to its limits mainly due to lack of Ram which cant be compensated by the Cell unlike a weak gpu.The Cell is the last part aside from bluray thats not totally outdated. Ofcourse 2xBluray and a chip with a mere 235 Million Transistors is also outdated but not as extreme as the rest of the Hardware.
Bonobo12345  +   1089d ago
LOL powerofcell, That made my day!.

OnTopic, We have had this article many times before(pretty much), I'm sure people know how old the consoles are, and they must know by now how nice a game looks at 1080p and at 60FPS.

I own a pretty beastly PC and I love playing most multi platform games on there, Its lovely having smooth motion and less jaggies. But playing the same games on console does not hinder my enjoyment of the game and I regularly find myself having some good old Uncharted and Killzone sessions. I am still very impressed with the graphics. Its all still pretty damn good If you ask me, and why some people feel the need to put consoles down constantly is beyond me. Yeah consoles are old, why are you advertising such a blatant fact to people that either already know, or are just going to deny it?

For all you non PC gamers out there I would say, don't let these articles get to you, Don't fret about the version of the game you get. Know that it's still damn good and the games are rarely on 'lowest settings' as some people would like you to believe. After playing extensively on a game the differences become meaningless.

I will get battlefield on my PS3 first because of the fact that all my immediate friends only have PS3's and I will want to enjoy this great game with them, and I will not be dissapoint.
Likewise for a game like Skyrim I will get it on my PC because of the stream of MOD's that is sure to follow (and the pain of installing them)
I love it all....
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stu888  +   1089d ago
get me a £200 PC that can run BF3 to the spec the PS3 is, then we'll talk.

To all Console gamers, when the new consoles come out, I guarantee that the loud mouth PC gamers will go back to that shit hole they crawled out of.

Consoles F**K THE WORLD!
Kurt Russell  +   1089d ago
I can't believe anyone is wasting their time arguing with powerofcell...

If you respond to a troll comment, the troll wins.
lil Titan  +   1089d ago
all it shows is that some developers are not willing to find a solution to make things better. DICE is a great development team but there aim is pc players so why would they invest time and more money in making the console version on par with the pc game when console gamers are used to taking shit and getting over it. pc gamers b* tch until they get what they want they know how to come together and get what they want
powerofcell  +   1089d ago
@liltitan

Pc is progressing too fast which isnt necessarily a good thing. people dont get to enjoy what is out, before they know it something better is out. this sort of sucks because u never know what best pc has to offer.

As a PS3 gamer i can safely say uncharted 2 is still one of the best looking games. this is so cool, its so predictable. i would feel so out of touch if something better was out all the time. All of this new stuff coming so soon must be hard on the pc gamers.
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frostypants  +   1089d ago
30fps is plenty. What is this obsession with 60fps? It's sorta nice to have but the impact is minimal in anything less than fast-moving racing titles.

Pushing for 60fps in a shooter is a waste of processing power. On my PC, I always push for the most detail possible whilst staying above 25fps. If I'm at 60fps, it means there are detail sliders I need to crank up (or, it's just an old ass game).
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Ducky  +   1089d ago
"Pushing for 60fps in a shooter is a waste of processing power."

O.o?
What games do you play?

30fps is horribly low, especially for multiplayer First-Person Shooters.
High frame-rate is essential for precise aiming, especially in engines where game-engine calculations depend on the frame-rate (such as CoD).
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Substance101  +   1089d ago
Lol frosty too late for damage control, 30fps is terrble for FPS games.

Its like a constant bullet time effect lol.
Shepherd 214  +   1089d ago
MGS4 and Halo 3 run at 640p. Wanna fight about it?
subtenko  +   1089d ago
who the eff cares? dagon some of you PC gamers are so stuck up! You upgrade your PC's constantly, its like all you care about is graphics. If that is indeed the case then if you dont have at least ONE other console, your missing out on exclusives. Thats why there is a system called the ps3, xbox360, and nintendo wii....

I enjoy both PC gaming and home console gaming, I dont have a high end PC tho so I dont play the games with top-notch settings :/ least I get to enjoy diversity.

Agree or Disagree if you Agree
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gaminoz  +   1089d ago
@ omi25p

I agree. Though I'm no expert it seems that they can always squeeze a bit more out of the systems if they try.

I don't like sitting at a PC to game, and so don't buy PC games.
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Pandamobile  +   1089d ago
They're running out of stuff to squeeze, (that's what she said) as a console is a fixed system with fixed limitations.

They are homogenous platforms with 6 year old technology. They need to go.
Hufandpuf  +   1089d ago
You really don't have to sit at a PC, there are ways to hook up your desktop to a tv screen.
DERKADER  +   1089d ago
Yeah, it's called an HDMI cable. The same way you would hook up a console to a TV.
Corepred4  +   1089d ago
PC are for nerds, lol. When do you hear people at work talking about graphics card, etc. No people just say whats your psn/tag so i can tea bag you. simple.
Moragami  +   1089d ago
Yeah Corepred4, I'm sure all your coworkers at Burger King don't talk about PC's and they do talk about psntags.

Face it, most people aren't smart enough to build a PC, or master a PC game.
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frostypants  +   1089d ago
Yes, there are ways to hook a desktop up to a TV.

The problem is there is no way to do so with dignity.
kramun  +   1089d ago
'The problem is there is no way to do so with dignity. '

What do you even mean by that? How can you not do it with dignity? Can you only hook a pc up when you're wearing your underpants or something?

Lol, you're a funny one frosty :P
Bonobo12345  +   1088d ago
I have my PC hooked up to my HDTV and I sit on my bed. Problem now is I have yet to find an effective way of using a mouse on my lap.

I am getting owned at BF because I have my mouse on a notebook, and it's not super smooth, also the position is never good for precision....
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miDnIghtEr  +   1089d ago
since when is 720p sub HD?
Organization XII  +   1089d ago
Actually, I've been gaming at 1280x1024 (that's higher than 720p) since the year 2002 when I first bought a PC to game on.

Nowadays, 720p is a joke in PC standards, so no it's not really a high-definition resolution. And once you try a game in complete 1080p glory on HD TVs/monitors, trust me, you wont revert back to the outdated blurry excuse of an HD res, which is 720p.
Hicken  +   1089d ago
@ Organization XII
That's like saying that since we have HD, sub-HD color TV is the same as black and white...
badz149  +   1089d ago
@XII
"And once you try a game in complete 1080p glory on HD TVs/monitors, trust me, you wont revert back to the outdated blurry excuse of an HD res, which is 720p."

wow, not even to play games not available on PCs such as PS3 or Wii exclusives? dude, you're not a gamer, you're just a graphic whore!
Ranshak  +   1089d ago
Wii exclusives run better on the PC so you can cross that out ;-) lol
miDnIghtEr  +   1089d ago
@Organization XII

How many people are pc gaming on screens bigger than 47 inches? You can't even see the difference from 720p to 1080p on screens smaller than that. Or maybe 42 inches. not sure which one it is.

Point is... how many PC gamers are using screens that big to see a slight difference between 720p and 1080p? not many at all.
abczby  +   1089d ago
While Uncharted 3 and Gears of War 3 are definitely very beautiful games...
They don't look much different when compared to their predecessors.

We're definitely in need of new consoles from Sony and Microsoft. I want Gears of War 4 to look like Unreal Engine 3's "Samaritan Tech Demo."
Bladesfist  +   1089d ago
Wont ever happen on consoles, Not even on PC for a while. The PC for the samaritan cost multiple thousands.
andibandit  +   1089d ago
we will once Sony opens up for access to all the SPU's and developers learn how to program for the PS3.
net123456  +   1089d ago
@Bladesfist

Here we go again. The Samaritan Demo could have run on a cheaper Hardware it wasnt optimized at all so they went the brute force way. Id Tech Ceo is confident (google it) that aslong as the consoles provide an usual power boost in line with Moores law they will be able to ship games in that graphic (with significant improvments over the time). Pc can ALREADY make Samaritan Demo graphics if you could optimize it on one gtx 580 they said it in the interview following the samaritan demo.
hiredhelp  +   1089d ago
How do these posts get threw. it makes gamers like me who play on pc and console. look like cocks we saying consoles crap.
Well thats way i took this article.
My response is speak for yourself. dont try to compare pc to consoles how many times have we got to say this.

there games that are made purely for 1 system. for consoles' called exclusives and its thanks to thoes games that uses the consoles power to make games that cant be compared to pc. because its there own game designed and made around the consoles hardware and limits. and some the stuff they have produced are amazing.
bf3 is multiplatform. its offerd console owners a chance to get involved with a awsome fps game with one of the best engines this year so far.
And still people have to find some BS to knock consoles. stop being a ASS.

now i feel much better.. :-)
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iPad  +   1089d ago
I'll stick with console. I dont have to worry when a new CPU or GPU comes out, RAM memory, or even I picked up a wrong part.
fullmetal297  +   1089d ago
OMGZ I GOTTA UPGRADE EVERYTIME I SEE SOMETHING NEW GRACE BETWEEN MY NUTSACK. Yeah right, I've had my HD 5850 for two and half years now and it still plays games like a beast so enough with this upgrade every year crap and come up with something new already.
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phinch  +   1089d ago
Ive had my ps3 for 4 years now and plan on having it for ever as they will never be able to not play ps3 games....
f789790  +   1089d ago
@iPad
Using your incompetence of picking the wrong part as a reason for sticking with consoles is idiotic. I have a 3870 and it plays everything on high. Meanwhile AMD is up to the 6000's. I'm 3 generations behind and doing just fine.

@phinch
You'll have a ps3 until the ps4 comes out then.... you have to upgrade to play new games. Upgrading a pc costs around $300 when you have all the other parts (drives, power supply).
awi5951  +   1089d ago
@omi25p you forgot to add in a small area lol.
lMHl  +   1089d ago
I think Uncharted 3 and gears of war 3 look terrible and should realise who there fucking with and
GO HOME! before skyrim and battlefield 3 gutter stomp there stupid asses
hiredhelp  +   1089d ago
Thats Mature !!
captainjy  +   1089d ago
@Powercell, you win. I'm replying to your idiocy. Really dude, we are about 5 years into the life of the PS3 and you're trying to convince people that Sony doesn't want devs to use the super, mega, nuclear power of the mighty PS3 processor!??!?! Next you'll be chanting, "2012 is Sony's year!" Give me an effing break.
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raWfodog  +   1089d ago
You didn't know that his posts were being sarcastic? I know it's hard to tell over the internet.
gamingdroid  +   1089d ago
I'm really sad that the leap from console to PC is so big now. It is blatantly obvious, that consoles are far behind the curve. No questions about it.

Unfortunately for us, there is just not enough competition so we won't see a new powerful console for a while.

PC's has it's weaknesses, but nobody can argue that if a game is on PC and consoles, PC always wins in the performance department.

I love the convenience of my console (and will stick by it), but it is WHAT IT IS! Want the best looking game, get a PC!!!
showtimefolks  +   1088d ago
could careless
i am perfectly happy with current consoles and i am in no hurry to spend 400-500 for a new consoles

maybe we can't get pc resolution but i still think games look above average

and just because game doesn't run 60fps doesn't mean its bad. insomniac went from 60 to 30fps for all their upcoming game because they said they could get better results

the only thing i dis like about pc gamers they act like they are the only ones supporting gaming when its the other way around
Ducky  +   1088d ago
"could careless"

> Isn't it: couldn't care less?

"i still think games look above average"

> Above average compared to...?

"the only thing i dis like about pc gamers they act like they are the only ones supporting gaming when its the other way around"

> So pc gamers are the only ones that don't support gaming? O.o

They're complaining that the current-gen has hit a roadblock, both in visuals and performance... but you want to delay the next-gen because you don't want to spend the money of a new console.

Which one of these two groups do you think is the bigger supporter of gaming?
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showtimefolks  +   1088d ago
FatOldMan
so if we do a poll of 1000 gamers more will say no to a new console now. What's all this noise about is whenever a new pc game comes out which will look better and play better on pc we start to see article of we want new consoles

BF series has always been a pc series so its no surprise it look better on pc its suppose to.

one thing i did not understand is when dice said on pc version each match can have more players and their reason for consoles not getting as many players believe it or not was because pc crowd asked for it much louder than console gamers

so really for a game that will do better on consoles sales wise just because we not lot asking for it doesn't mean we don't want it

end of the day you want a new console wait for wii which is suppose to be next next gen i guess i will wait for ps4 and next xbox in next 2-3 years since these consoles are still selling for 300 bucks and long away from selling for 99
Kurt Russell  +   1088d ago
I'd say yes to a new console. I don't mind too much if it does end up being a couple of years away, but I would rather the next generation sooner than later.
BadCircuit  +   1089d ago
I personally can't afford to buy new consoles all the time- I want to spend my money on games! If that means my game isn't quite as good as the PC version, I don't care.
theonlylolking  +   1089d ago
Save up the money. Game consoles should not be held back just because some people dont have the money at the time.

I am sure most of ya'll saved money when ya'll were kids to get that must have toy, game, doll, etc... Well now you should do the same.

@PandaMobile
True to that.

@gaminoz
New consoles do not come out every 2 years. I am not saying focus your savings all on gaming.

@Omi25p
Gears 3 does not look better than Uncharted 2 so why did you list gears 3? Oh wait I know, it is so you dont seem like a fanboy and get marked as trolling.
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gaminoz  +   1089d ago
Right, so he should save up money to buy a console that will only be good for a couple of years because the rate of progression with tech is so fast that there could be a new console every 2 years!

If this worked financially for game console makers, then they'd have released Xbox 780 and PS4 by now. Not everyone can focus their entire savings on gaming. Some have families and living to pay for.
gaminoz  +   1089d ago
Ummm theonlylolking

If you read carefully you would have noticed that I say they didn't come out every 2 years (and that it obviously didn't work financially for console makers to do so).

I probably wasn't clear enough: the idea that we should keep up with PCs means that we'd need upgraded consoles every few years...not on a long cycle like the moment. That is just not going to happen. Who wants a slightly more powerful same console?
omi25p  +   1089d ago
So i dont seem like a fanboy? You think im a ps3 fanboy??? Well i think i have now been called a fanboy for eversingle console and everysingle game. FYI Gears 3 looks amazing
Omar91  +   1089d ago
Badcircuit & gaminoz: THANK YOU! for all you graphic whores out there, listen to these guys. they know what there talking about.

I personally do not want to waste money buying consoles every 2-3 years just because the PC version is slightly better in graphics. that's why they are constantly upgrading there PC's and spending hundreds of dollars. power to them if they can, but some of us just cant spend hundreds of dollars upgrading our PC.

bubbles to you to for having common sense in this site.
Hockeydud19  +   1089d ago
You my friend are a wise man lol. Games are wat im worried about.
tunaks1  +   1089d ago
looks like everyone has become a graphic whores...

You people need to spend less time studying the pixels, more time playing the dam game.
Pandamobile  +   1089d ago
What studying of pixels. We humans are visual creatures. Games are a lot more immersive when you don't have blurry graphics with edging artifacts and low resolution textures.
Imalwaysright  +   1089d ago
In survival horros sound helps you immerse more in the game than pretty graphics.
fullmetal297  +   1089d ago
Explain blind people.
ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1089d ago
Well, a game designed to have HD Graphics, then is meant to be played in HD, right?

DICE are graphics whores?
Ja555on  +   1089d ago
DICE are certainly not graphic whores, this is their first game that has had its graphics so highly acclaimed, but that does not mean they made bad games, I love Battlefield
tunaks1  +   1089d ago
"Well, a game designed to have HD Graphics, then is meant to be played in HD, right?

DICE are graphics whores? "

yes a dev company is who I was referring to -_-

quit worrying about the dam resolution, enjoy the game.

"What studying of pixels. We humans are visual creatures. Games are a lot more immersive when you don't have blurry graphics with edging artifacts and low resolution textures. "

actually Silent hill was a lot more immersive due to its lack of onscreen Eye-candy; creating a actual sense of isolation and dread. If you complain about this gen as having blurry graphics, your beyond repair.
Pandamobile  +   1089d ago
@Ja555on
Shows what you know. Battlefield 1942 and 2 were pretty much the creme de la creme of multiplayer graphics in 2002 and 2005.

Every major installment has been groundbreaking.
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ALFAxD_CENTAURO  +   1089d ago
@Ja555on
'' this is their first game that has had its graphics so highly acclaimed''

No, did you saw the Graphics of BC2 on PC using DX11?
Ja555on  +   1089d ago
@ALFAxD_CENTAURO
Are you serious, I have played the sh!t out of BFBC2 and I love it, but I certainly wouldn't boast about its graphics, there are plenty of better looking games.

Lol, sucks your all out of bubbles, I guess that's what happens when you don't know what your talking about.
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Bladesfist  +   1089d ago
@Ja555on Were not talking about your DX9 console version, The DX11 version of BC2 at 1080p looks stunning
MysticStrummer  +   1089d ago
Yeah a lot of gamers these days really have lost sight of reality. They think the icing (graphics) is the cake (the actual gameplay). Having said that, BF3 is a game that should put to rest the whole "consoles are holding PC gaming back" BS. The article itself makes no sense when it says consoles are holding back gaming after detailing the PC version's advantages. The lower player count and smaller maps are my complaints. I don't give even half a damn about the difference in resolution.
ExitToExisT  +   1089d ago
who said bf3 will be sub hd on consoles???
Proeliator  +   1089d ago
The article has a link to where it was stated.

Link: http://www.gamesthirst.com/...
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ExitToExisT  +   1089d ago
720p is not sub-hd it is hd
1080p is full hd
640p is sub hd
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theEx1Le  +   1089d ago
Actually to TV manufacturers anything >560p can be sold as "HD", given than previous tvs outputs were locked at 480p.
bozebo  +   1088d ago
"The PC version will run at true 1080p"
Or higher... if you want.
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dkgshiz  +   1089d ago
With out a console you miss out on a lot of games.
TheDivine  +   1089d ago
True i couldnt miss out on all the 360 or ps3 exclusives way too many great games. The same thing is true of pc gaming though it has even more exclusives, cheaper prices, free indy games, emulators, exc. The graphics and res people say dont matter dont imo, its the icing on the cake along with 3d and eyefinity. Il game on anything and everything my budget allows however if you dont have alot of cash though a console is the way to go. For 100-200 you get a 360 which can play bf3, skyrim, dark souls, and even metro 2033 which is a bit** to run. The games are still as fun imo but if you can play all and enjoy the perks why not.
Shackdaddy836  +   1089d ago
Without a PC you miss out on a lot of games too...
stu888  +   1089d ago
What? name any AAA PC title and I guarantee it'll be on console at some point in the future with the exception of Total War.
Ducky  +   1089d ago
^ Starcraft2?

A game being on consoles doesn't always mean much.
TF2 is on consoles, yet compared to the PC version, it plays very different.
The Battlefield series also play differently on PC due to increased player counts.
Games that support mods also can change a lot, such as the Wanderer's mod for Fallout3.

So there's a fair bit of experiences that can only be had through PC, even if the base game itself is found on other platforms.
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bumnut  +   1089d ago
Arma series ?
StayStatic  +   1089d ago
PC Games are above AAA titles
evrfighter  +   1088d ago
Guild wars 2
Star wars the old republic to add a couple more
I'll stop there as I hate writing lists of games no one cares about.
malol  +   1089d ago
i like my consoles alot
but i have to admit when it comes to power and performance its all PC
no one can deny that
Imalwaysright  +   1089d ago
Yes but power and perfomance dont make any game more fun!
peowpeow  +   1089d ago
Makes it that little bit more immersive/aesthetically pleasing
bumnut  +   1089d ago
Thank you for adding a sensible comment, I feel like I lost 10 mins of my life reading the idiotic comments above.
nickjkl  +   1089d ago
but its so annoying ot read it all the time

at least the 360 vs ps3 is interesting since they are both fixed platforms

with totally different architectures competing against each other in an all out war of

parallelism ps3

and tried and tested gpu framework xbox 360
Inside_out  +   1089d ago
Oh no, not a pixel counter...O_o
.
I have a question...this is the PC version of Battlefield 3 running on high settings...um...what exactly is there to be jealous of...looks like a launch title on CONSOLES...

http://youtu.be/0MgQMoPwGwM

So you have all the consoles and then you drop this less than complimentary comment...

" Those boxes in your living room are pieces of crap "...

...Wow, but tells us how you really feel...lol...it gets better...

" Don’t get me wrong (although I know many will): I love my consoles to death "...O_o...

..oh sure you do, when they are not being crap RIGHT???

" I can’t help but feel pity for those who will be playing the title on a console "

Go right ahead and " feel pity " but I have a feeling that those gaming this fall on consoles could care less about the PC or a spasmatic like yourself.

Let me know when your PC can play Resistance 3, Gears Of war 3, Forza 4, Uncharted 3 and Halo Anniversary. ;)

There's no 2 PC's the same. EVERY PC player will experience a different version of Battlefield 3...hopefully, yours will look like the version in the beta being played RIGHT NOW.

PC...Wats dat. :/

@prophylactic... Couldn't wait huh...lol...

" stupidly critiquing "..I'm sorry, it's obvious you. The truth hurts, wait till the game launches. :)

Here we go again with the alpha footage. That game will look EXACTLY like that. The beta is for, bugs, glitches and other reasons peanut, NOT GRAPHICS 10 weeks out...0_o...new to gaming???

Nextdly ( O_o )...a good PC...what exactly is that???

The lighting, the clunky animations, the basic color palette, bugs and gliches...lol...it's all bad and nowhere near the fidelity of the pre-E3 fantasy PC footage...watch and see...only a couple more weeks now. It will launch with 2 or 3 patches not because it's running great.
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Proeliator  +   1089d ago
Elaborately bigot response, so let me point out a few flaws in regards to how you're stupidly critiquing the author.

First, that's ALPHA footage of MULTIPLAYER. Those graphics are FAR from final, and MULTIPLAYER visuals are always less than the campaign. Do some research.

Nextly, a good pc CAN play those, no problem. Watch your wording.

Lastly, a LAUNCH TITLE? HA! You're so silly. Know what a launch title looked like, most likely before you could use a computer? http://www.youtube.com/watc...
SoapShoes  +   1089d ago
Not always, they are the same in Killzone as the campaign but you are right in 99% of games.
StayStatic  +   1089d ago
"consoles could care less about the PC. "
ah so you care some then ? dirty troll
04soldier  +   1089d ago
I definetly won't feel sorry for pc elitists when I'm playing dark souls, bf3 and twisted metal this coming october. They'll be the farthest thing on my mind...

I hate to bring this up.. but talk all u want about sub hd grafix, but there's a reason developers have shifted pc exclusivity towards the consoles and that's pretty simple more $$$.

There are far more consoles out there than there are up to date gaming Pc's.

Disagree all u want but console verions sales are going to dwarf the PC sales...
rogalik  +   1089d ago
Reading your retarded comments hurt my brain.
bumnut  +   1089d ago
No one cares about your comments, except the other members of your special needs class.
Hufandpuf  +   1089d ago
I play on 360 and I have to say that PC is the next true step in gaming. It might have faded away in recent years with consoles taking center stage, but I feel that PC will reclaim it's place as the industry leader just as when Half-Life and counter strike were popular back then.
MysticStrummer  +   1089d ago
...and then the next consoles will come out.
BakedGoods  +   1089d ago
Not really. The PC thrived during the huge SNES -> PSX -> N64 days. If PC can figure out how to make PC-only titles, they could all co-exist and succeed.
Hicken  +   1089d ago
So... since when is 720p sub-HD?

On another, related note, this is why console gamers don't like PC gamers.
MysticStrummer  +   1089d ago
Hey... at least this is a game that will appear on PC. I lost two bubbles by calling out PC trolls in articles about console-only games.
Hicken  +   1089d ago
I don't have a problem with PC gamers. I have a problem with their "Consoles are old and their graphics aren't as good" mantra. I mean, it seriously seems like those are the only things they ever talk about.

Hell, I got plenty of disagrees, but the only person who said anything said something positive.
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cr33ping_death  +   1089d ago
hmmmm have many awesome games on consoles or 1 or 2 awesome games for the pc while everything else seems to be sh!t????? ill go with consoles thank you very much..... im not a graphics whore so.......
Ve_Chuy  +   1089d ago
Ps3 always has had horrible graphics definition need some antialias
abczby  +   1089d ago
"shooter of the year, and an all-time classic to set the precedent for what will be a very deciding decade of interactive entertainment"

Quite a bold statement for a game that has yet to be released and who's campaign we know little to nothing about. I'd wait until it's actually released to call it an "all-time classic."
Imalwaysright  +   1089d ago
Common sense awards you 7 disagrees. Gotta love moronic fanboys.

@ PIayStation below so true all PC elitist fanboys care about is graphics and perfomance. They dont care about story, gameplay, soundtracks, interesting characters, having fun... everything that makes games an art. You will notice that all they talk about is resolution, frames per second and how inferior consoles are compared to PCs ! I actually know elitist PC fanboys that spend more time tweaking their PCs than playing games.
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PIayStation  +   1089d ago
It's not easy to have a defending argument with PC gamers when most of what they are attacking is in their field. Yes consoles are outdated, and it shows, but it's not just graphics that you can argue about, its everything else inside the machine, from amount of memory to the gpu power, consoles do lack, and you'll hear this until the next generation consoles come, and even by then most Gaming PC's would be 2x more powerful
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OdinX  +   1089d ago
While it's undeniable the tech is horribly outdated, it's up to the devs to make use of what the systems currently have. If people don't like the way the visuals look on consoles, play on PC.

I'm holding onto the fact that consoles are getting more and more expensive to buy, not to mention games, and the cost of living is also increasing. I, myself, am a gfx whore, but I can't afford to but spend 1k on a PC as much as i'd like to.

With that said, Battlefield 3, while not as good as PC in terms of gameplay and gfx, is and still will be a GREAT experience on any console; just look at BFBC2.
RaptorGTA  +   1089d ago
Yes the consoles are old but I have just as much fun on them as I do with my pc. As long as bf3 looks and play well ill enjoy it on my console..tho I will also be playin on pc...because who can say no to 64 player maddness
cra2yey3z  +   1089d ago
Wow what a stupid article! Why dont you stop whining if your not even going to play it on a console and hype the game to beat mw3 this year. Screw call of duty!!!
blackburn10  +   1089d ago
Strange how Rocksteady said the opposite by saying how good Batman:AC looks on a console. I wouldn't mind a new console either but do we really need to rush it after what happened in this gen? I really don't care how BF3 looks because it obviously looking to be another flat, uninspiring short SP with a boring conviluded story with emphasis on MP with will most likely have to be patched a million times to fix every glitch, hack and cheat that they somehow missed the first time around and that the reviwers will ignore.

Maybe you should stop the techno babble and the specs chanting. I don't need R3 to look as good as BF3.I just want it to be good game. A few technical hiccups and slight graphical blurs are irrelevant.Tired of PC snobs.They are as annoying as trolls or fanboys.Consoles have disadvantages the same way PCs do. Why can't you just let us play them in peace?
BeastlyRig  +   1089d ago
@blackburn10
What we call visually impressive is unimpressive to some..

But they also said this!

"I've always been a console player, but this game makes me want to be a PC gamer. What we play on is the PC build more often in the studio and it just looks amazing ... We try to develop them [360 and PS3] in parity, but the PC build has a life of its own."
- http://arkhamcity.co.uk/vie...

99% of impressive console games are linear & use mlaa aa to stay at 30fps @ 720p..
maxmill  +   1089d ago
This topic is so played out
Ashriel  +   1089d ago
"at sub-HD 720p"

lol, yeah right.
Sub-Zero85  +   1089d ago
I remember when they did an article comparing Battlefield 3(PC version) and Killzone 3 in graphics ...... it wasnt that far apart Killzone 3 is neck and neck with Battlefield 3(PC version)..... games like Uncharted 1,2,& 3 , Heavy Rain , Metal Gear Solid 4 , God of War 3 graphics are incredible .
Funky Town_TX  +   1089d ago
Heavy Rain?
Please not that game.
gijsbrecht  +   1089d ago
Killzone 3 is still the most impressive fps graphics wise. I haven't seen any evidence until this date that BF3, even the PC version, will outdo it. KZ3's MP is a graphical marvel, in my opinion.
vandal GAB  +   1089d ago
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Bob570  +   1088d ago
Crysis 1 was launched 4 years ago. It's graphics look at least as good as Killzone's and it actually has a good physics engine.
ATi_Elite  +   1089d ago
All shall kneel as the PC Elitist speaks.....
The editor wrote a Flaimbait article that really has nothing news worthy to talk about. He must be desperate for web hits!!!

PC this console that blah blah blah.....are you serious? Everyone by now knows the dealio with Console vs. PC hardware so system bashing is a waist of time.

and actually the WIIU if it uses a modified version of AMD HD 4870 (so far as slated) will be a huge step up in graphics over the PS3/360 cause the HD4870 can do DX10.1 at 1080p with 2xMSAA very easily while maintaining 30fps with 1Gb Vram.

If that's too complex for you well I'll put it this way....The HD4870 can run Crysis maxed out in 1080p with 2xMSAA and that's a HUGE jump in console graphics from right now.

So the writers comment of "The WiiU being just a little more than current generation boxes" is TOTALLY wrong when you can go from doing barely 720p to now being able to do 1600p in which the HD4870 is capable of plus the HD4870 can do MSAA.

So that's just my two cent on Flaimbait article and I'm looking forward to the new consoles and hopefully the WIIU keeps the HD4870 cause that card was a Beast back in it's day.

please rise and enjoy your games....lol :)
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Funky Town_TX  +   1089d ago
1080p is true HD?
"The PC version will run at true 1080p HD visuals, have support for 64-player multiplayer scenarios, and features unrestricted map size.

"The console versions, on the other hand, will run at sub-HD 720p, support a maximum of 24-player multiplayer, and have cut-down maps.

720p is HD. 1080p is not true HD it's full HD. Go tell all the TV makers that their 720p HD TV's are not HD. I'm not much of a Battlefield fan but I may give this version a try.
DaTruth  +   1089d ago
The worst part is "TrueHD" is actually 1080i, if you want to get technical!

1080p is "FullHD", 1080i, 720p and 1080p are all recognized HD standards!
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Killman  +   1089d ago
Wow the PC elitist group is in full force. You know whats funny? Consoles are out of date as soon as you buy them!
3GenGames  +   1089d ago
1080p is so outdated, 1080p trifinity is the only way to play since that's the limits of consumer electronics right now, especially because I want to spend 3x as much for 2x the experience today! Math works out perfectly there guys, trust me. /s

It's not that PC gaming isn't amazing. It's just that some people don't have money spilling out of their mattresses just for it.
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Ranshak  +   1089d ago
Console gaming is actually more expensive then PC gaming, once you consider how expensive console games are.
3GenGames  +   1089d ago
Not really, once you put in the fact you'll spend $700 on a gaming PC and $350 for a console setup.
Ranshak  +   1089d ago
Yes i agree but then factor in that every game bought on console is more expensive.

At launch most console games are 10-20usd more costly then PC versions. most gamers buy 1-2games a month by the end of the year that difference alone is 200+usd, by the second year PC is already cheaper and giving you better quality of gameplay(plus its doing alot more then just playing games).

next factor in that PC games prices fall real quick, websites likes Steam and D2D give insane discounts, new games tend to cost between 10-15usd within 2-3 months of launch, something that just doesnt happen on console.

When you factor this in PC becomes cheaper much quicker. Also you dont need a 700usd PC to outperform console. 500usd PC will still play most games at 1080p, while the 350usd console will only play 5% of its games in 1080p with little to no AA.

Pc gaming being expensive is a myth, its actually the other way around.
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3GenGames  +   1089d ago
1-2 games per month? Hah, I but games nearly once, sometimes twice a year. But yeah, it's comparible at launch, but we're talking 5+ years after launch, they're super cheap now. And yeah, steam gives good deals, but you'll be hell bent on getting someone like me to not buy physical copies over steams cheaper price. I'd buy a $40 disk before I buy a $25 download. Sorry, I just don't believe in the cloud, or trust in companies.

And it is a way overblown statement, PC gaming doesn't cost a grand if you know what you're doing. But it still takes a $700 PC to start up. Although the flip side is you also have a damn good computer too, so it makes it hurt less to blow that.

And I dunno about you, but even though I want to get a new PC for BF3, I'm content with every game on my Xbox 360 playing on my 720p television, without any flatscreen lag from up scaling and that crap they do, it's awesome. I love the quality consoles still put out, actually.
Ranshak  +   1089d ago
If you only buy 1-2 games a year then it probably doesnt apply to you, however it just means you could be enjoying alot more games thn you currently do so. 2 games on Xbox 360 a year = 120usd, on a sale during steam the same money would buy you 6-8 games.

Since you game on the Xbox 360 you forget to count you need to play 50-60usd every year, just to go online. That adds up too.

there are about 3.5million peopleonline on Steam alone during peak times, thats more people then XBL or PSN has at peak times. Just because you arent willing to buy games online doesnt mean the world isnt :)

I personally bought about 6 games on steam this summer, all of them put togehther cost me about 100usd and most of them were 2-3 months old. Had i bought the same games on console i would have ended up paying in excess of 300usd.

Sorry dude, but PC easily wins cost argument.

Another thing to consider, once your warranty runs out and something goes bad on your console, u need to replace the entire system. What happens on PC? you just replace the part that went bad, hence in the long run PC goes even cheaper.

Furthermore what happens when the next gen arrives, all those games you bought for thousands of usd this gen, may not be playable on the next console, with PC BC is pretty much a given.
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DaTruth  +   1089d ago
"2 games on Xbox 360 a year = 120usd, on a sale during steam the same money would buy you 6-8 games."

Console games go on sale too!
Substance101  +   1089d ago
@datruth

Are those console sales anywhere as good as the sales on Steam or D2D?
04soldier  +   1088d ago
i dont know why ppl always bring up steam when they talk about Pc being cheaper bcuz it isnt..
Listen.. when u buy the game on steam , u give up your rights to resell the game. U may catch a sale on steam for those games but what about new releases??

Are u gonnna wait until the publishers decided to throw u abone with a pity sale months after its release..?

I buy the game week 1.. finish it and resell it $30-40 dollars online (via glyde or amazon)

That so called wallet raping game I bought only cost me $20-30 dollars in the long run.

Meanwhile every game u download has ZERO resell value because u cannot sell someone a download... :/
thespaz  +   1089d ago
Who cares! Play it on the system that all your friends are on.

Consoles:
Cheap
Easy to Setup (no configuring)
Turn it on and go (quick boot)
No need to upgrade hardware to play latest games
I love controllers (my opinion here)

PC
More expensive
I feel the need to upgrade all the time to get the most out of the newest games
Keyboard and mice are uncomfortable (to me)
Mouse is too twitchy (to me)
I know you can use a controller on a PC, but I'm not going to want to use a controller against everyone else who's using a mouse online.

For me, my console is still going strong. I love not having to mess around with graphics settings and trying to get the highest framerate possible with the best graphics possible and constantly needing a better video card. Also, on a PC, you have an OS to deal with as well... with updates that sometimes break other games.

I'd rather just buy a game that I KNOW is made specifically for my PS3 and know it's going to work as good as the developers want it to.
Hockeydud19  +   1089d ago
So when LIMBO comes to PC I have to pay around $500.00 for a gaming rig to get the best experience?
OsamaOnCrack  +   1089d ago
this is why i hate pc gamers.........

ohhh look my game looks better. - pc gamer

ME - fuck off its the same fucking game.
ninjagoat  +   1089d ago
People are still so narrow minded when it comes to what a PC can run a game at when they start sounding off about 1080p lol, theres displays that destroy that on PC atm.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Its stupid to even try comparing why dont people just get on and play there games and shut up ffs. I get some sick graphics on my PC but it don't stop me enjoying either my PS3 are xbox360.

To many petty kid fights up here. Why not enjoy where we are going in games and take it day by day. We all in on this ride together tbh and as far as i can see its a ride thats aint stoping anytime soon..
lMHl  +   1089d ago
have some of my bubble gum :) then we can be friends :)
ndl1531  +   1089d ago
seriously this dude thinks 30 fps is bad? all games this gen are 30 fps and great and most people cant even tell the difference between 1080 and 720. sure there are less players and smaller maps but im willing to forgive that i know consoles have limits but you pc geeks act as if were getting garbage yes the pc will be superior but consoles will be fine also.uncharted 3 . mass effect 3 .bf3 . are my most wanted cant wait . all you pc geeks always cry about "1080 60fps " well uncharted 2 got many goty awards and "SHOCKER" it ran at 720. 30 fps. its called funfactor. playability . story . pacing . you pc geeks stay loving your 1080 and 60fps while i actually play great games.
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trollkill  +   1089d ago
lol very true indeed. My most wanted games are not even multi plat and pc gamers cant play them on pc. Notably Uncharted 3, Resistance 3 and idk if dark souls will be on pc but thats def. another one. My games on my 50 inch samsung 3d television with surround sound looks awesome and im happy enough!!!! Albeit yes pc is a pc s o they can always upgrade their specs and have better looking games and rigs but ill rather play on console online any day and have a blast with UC3 like i did with the beta tht i enjoyed and loved more than many complete games ive played in the past.
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Ares84  +   1089d ago
Don't pay attention to PC gamers. They always think of themselves as someone superior to console gamers. It's always been like that. I used to game on PC but I just don't like to, to be honest.

I think PC gaming is a shallow experience compared to consoles since PC's aren't dedicated gaming machines unlike consoles. Plus consoles are much more comfortable and hassle free compared to PC gaming.

I'll be just fine with my console version of BF3.
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