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Nintendo's creative decline

Eurogamer: It's been an unhappy 48 hours for Nintendo. The 3DS price is being cut by a third, Satoru Iwata's cut his own salary by half, and shareholders have cut the Kyoto company's share price by a double-digit percentage.

There are a lot of things that bother me about this. For one thing there's personal loyalty: I grew up playing Super Nintendo games, I bought a Japanese GameCube on 14th September 2001, I banged the drum for Wii Sports back when everyone was dismissing it as a mini-game compilation, and while my reasons were mostly to do with residual playground bias, I was one of the only people who didn't declare Nintendo mad when it first revealed that its next handheld after the Game Boy Advance would have two screens.

At the time I didn't really understand why the DS was a good idea, but now with the benefit of hindsight I do.

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Stealth2k2332d ago

What are the 2 highest ranking, most award getting games of the gen again?

Oh thats right. Mario galaxy 1 and 2.

Would you dare say these werent creative?

NewMonday2332d ago

Nintendo should just forget about hardware and focus on what they are good at, making games.

fear882331d ago

@Stealth2k

You did not read the article at all. The author specifically mentions Super Mario Galaxy as a must play game but was not as "creative" as Super Mario 64.

He is talking about how Nintendo needs to create games that are far more creative like when Luigis Mansion and Pikmin were released.

They need to innovate on their ips and create some new ones. At this point if they keep making more Mario Karts and Mario Parties, there will be brand fatigue and people will move on to other companies and ips.

Its that simple and that is what the author described.

Maybe you should read instead of covering your eyes to ignore the current situation.

Its not like Nintendo won't get out of this, they will. Its how they will get out of it that they are highlighting.

IMO its just the media dramatizing the whole price drop just like they did when the PS3 was overpriced and had few games. No different.

I am confident that Nintendo will turn around and I expect it sooner than most people think.

If anything, it might be a good idea to get some of that Nintendo Stock.

pixelsword2332d ago

To Say Nintendo isn't creative is a fat load; they are just as creative as Sony or Microsoft in terms of software, so that's just a stupid thing do say.

On the other hand about it, as sad as I am about hearing bad news about Nintendo, if it makes eurogamer sad, it can't be all bad.

Knushwood Butt2332d ago

On the same note, to suggest they are MORE creative than Sony and Microsoft is also a 'fat load'.

Why is Mario Galaxy 2 more creative than Uncharted 2 or Gears of War 2? Why exactly??

IAmTheTruth2332d ago

Highest-scoring game of this generation is Grand Theft Auto IV.

Most awarded game of this generation is Uncharted 2: Among Thieves.

Actaully.

Stealth2k2332d ago (Edited 2332d ago )

The better site says otherwise

gamerankings

WII Super Mario Galaxy
Nintendo, 2007 97.46%
77 Reviews
WII Super Mario Galaxy 2
Nintendo EAD Tokyo /Nintendo, 2010 97.12%
54 Reviews
PS3 Grand Theft Auto IV
Rockstar North/Rockstar Games, 2008 97.01%
60 Reviews

Gamerankings counts every single review while meta critic doesnt

nickjkl2331d ago

yep guys lets quote websites that support our agenda

is there a neutral site we can use

The Great Melon2332d ago (Edited 2332d ago )

I was actually disappointed with Super Mario Galaxy. While there are a wealth of levels, each level seems to pale in depth than those that were in both 64 and Sunshine. Maybe nostalgia is clouding my opinion, but I hope I will enjoy Super Galaxy 2 more than I did 1 whenever I get around to playing it.

Just to note I really enjoyed Sunshine because Nintendo did something pretty different for a main entry in the Mario franchise.

Knushwood Butt2332d ago

Yeah, I agree that Sunshine deserves credit for actually trying to be a bit different.

Unfortunately, it was also buggy and surprisingly unpolished for a flagship Nintendo title.

I still beat it though. It actually had some challenge too.

Torkith2332d ago

Mario Galaxy 97/100
Mario Galaxy 2 97/100
GTA IV 98/100

From Metacritc

As for awards, can't find any solid sources on that but I would be very surprised if Mario Galaxy 1/2 had more awards than Uncharted 2 or even Mass Effect 2.

Stealth2k2332d ago (Edited 2332d ago )

The better site says otherwise

gamerankings

WII Super Mario Galaxy
Nintendo, 2007 97.46%
77 Reviews
WII Super Mario Galaxy 2
Nintendo EAD Tokyo /Nintendo, 2010 97.12%
54 Reviews
PS3 Grand Theft Auto IV
Rockstar North/Rockstar Games, 2008 97.01%
60 Reviews

Gamerankings counts every single review while meta critic doesnt

Orionsangel2332d ago

It's 3d Mario again. Except this time there's no gravity. That doesn't seem very creative. That being said I enjoyed them a lot. I don't think creative is the issue here. It's more like lack of new ideas and the new ideas they do have aren't enough to get everyone on board like the Wii.

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metsgaming2332d ago

Make new IP's nintendo do it now and make them good !!! Oh and try to make 1 or 2 that aren't cartoons.

kneon2332d ago

I guess those disagrees come from people who are heavily into recycling, something that Nintendo excels at :)

jacksonmichael2332d ago

Nintendo IPs are like ACDC songs. Some people can't get enough of them. Some think it's just the same thing over and over, for decades.

kneon2332d ago

I remember hearing ACDC say in an interview that all their albums sound pretty much the same because that is what people want to hear. Nintendo seems to have the same attitude to game development.

The Great Melon2332d ago (Edited 2332d ago )

While not a new IP, Metroid's 25th birthday is nearing. Where is the love Nintendo?

news4geeks2332d ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't nintendo's last new major IP (not a wii sports type game) pikmin back in 2001? Pretty lame if true.

jacksonmichael2332d ago

Flingsmash, last year. Terrible example, but it is another one...

DNAbro2332d ago

pikmin was the last IP that anyone cared about that came out of nintendo. I know they released a game with a wiimote last year that was a new ip but nobody bought it.

axisofweevils2332d ago (Edited 2332d ago )

Endless Ocean.

New IP. 2 games.

Of course, it's probably not the type of game the Hardcore want but it kept me playing for 500 hours.

Knushwood Butt2332d ago

Steel Diver?

Captain Rainbow?

Wii Music?

Erm, yeah.

Midori2332d ago (Edited 2332d ago )

2001 (post Pikmin) - Animal Crossing
2002 - Cubivore
2003 - GiFTPiA
2005 - Battallion Wars, Chibi-Robo, Nintendogs, Clubhouse Games, Brain Age, Big Brain Academy, Sennen Kazoku
2006 - Rhythm Heaven, Odama, Master of Illusion, bit Generations
2007 - ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat, Slide Adventure MAGKID, Flash Focus, Endless Ocean
2008 - Fossil Fighters, Captain Rainbow, Disaster: Day of Crisis, Soma Bringer (I think, not certain)
2010 - Fluidity, Xenoblade, FlingSmash, Zengeki no Reginliev
2011 - Pandora's Tower, The Last Story, Steel Diver

Think of them what you will and decide which of them are 'major' or 'hardcore', but there are some post-Pikmin IPs. I think Animal Crossing would be the top contender for 'major', since the DS and Wii titles sold over 3 million each.

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wirapuru2332d ago

As a developer I think 'evolving' a software usually brings a much better piece than creating a whole new one. It makes better all the good of it and lends the ugly to the trash. That's why Nintendo franchises, IMO, give the most mature and creative modern games.

BUT they just don't seem to be able to release anything new. If you see a good rating/review about a Nintendo game you can bet your week budget that it's about a remake or a no.2, 3...

I don't know, I just don't like the sound of it, seems like the beginning of an end =/ in a huge company scope, I mean.

pcz2332d ago

ok, mario galaxy was good. some genius moments, but it doesn't give me the same feeling mario 64 did.

wii fit was good, it was genuinely different.

so was wii sport, that is classic.

wii music is shit

by this point all the wii series of games staring miis were getting tedious. but miyamoto insisted we liked them... no! miis are shit!

miyamoto needs to get back to making real games instead of this garbage he has been force-feeding gamers the last few years.

ChickeyCantor2332d ago (Edited 2332d ago )

He stopped making Wii-franchised games since resort.
( fact is he just supervised it, didn't really do much)
Are you having jetlag?

pcz2331d ago

hmm, we'l see what they do with wiiu then. i'm sure those shit miis will be back. even on the demo they had a corny looking mii game. its already rumoured wii music will return too.

games like pandoras tower do give me some hope though, i wish they will stick to those games.

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