Next year’s Adreno GPU will “take mobile gaming to a new level of console quality graphics,” claims Qualcomm’s Raj Talluri – and will match the PS3 and Xbox 360 for gaming performance.
The next generation of handheldwars is here
with battery life that will last 5minutes!!!!!!!!!
Sounds like it's going to be a very expensive phone.
dont talk about tech if you dont know what you are saying. the fact that you got 29 agrees shows how much people on this site know about tech. parts get more efficient as well as more powerful over time.
considering the tech in both the 360 and ps3 is over 5 years old. The turn around time for new cpu/gpu and tech is roughly 6-8 months. Or at least, it used to be. Shrinking what is in the mainstream down to fit into the mobile market has been pretty steady.
@far east Its funny that people will pay 499-999 for a tablet/phone for gaming.....Yet let a console be priced the same way its a tragedy. People hated that the Ps3 was sooo expensive but the Iphone was similar priced and it was 100% acceptable #doublestandards
@HAF912 Well, if you really know so much about tech, then how come you're unaware of the increasing problem of transistor leakage? The smaller the transistors are the more they leak, which means they are less efficient than they could have been. Right now some kind of breakthrough is needed to get smaller and more efficient transistors.
People don't buy tablets for gaming, lol.
HAF Tell that to my galaxy S2 that guzzles power within about 2-3hours of constant use.
Qualcom makes a large part of the chips right now for smartphones, so I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing. You know, your company doesn't get worth $90 billions producing [email protected] So no worries about battery time. It's like people said, OMG a handheld with the graphics of PS2 is going to have low battery life in 2004.
Anarki: what the hell are you doing with your Galaxy S2 if it only lasts 2 - 3 hours? seriously??? i use mine at work with the radio on 8 hours straight non stop, including facebook and internet surfing and messeging/calls, and when i come home, i still have 2 - 3 hours left! not counting the fact that i listen to music when i ride to and from work, so you can ad an hour to that. and yes, mine is a galaxy s 2
My battery barely lasts normally. I don't get how they plan to have EXTREME gaming on it.
I was playing gunbros the other day and the battery was only lasting a couple of hours lmao
Think its fair to say new consoles are needed now. When mobiles catch up to consoles, its not a good thing. Especially when mobiles have been eating on the consoles plate. People keep talking about battery life, but there have been advancements in battery designs such as nanocell tech. And there will be more in the future.
You think your Iphone is hot? Well my phone starts on....FIIIIRRRRRRE!!!! AHHHHHHH!! IT BURNS!!
the battery life wont last 5 mins but lets just say i couldn't watch a full movie on it the pone would either over heat and shut its self down, or just die. Battery tech while its advancing is still at a crappy level we should have devices by now that could stay on for 48 hours on 1 charge with active use ex texting, online surfing and etc.
Remember Peter, with great power comes great responsibility. And by that I mean, unless we see games like Uncharted or even Call of Duty on a tablet instead of $5 apps, it's doesn't matter how powerful these tablets or phones will be. The developers are going to be the driving force. Take the PC for example, EXTREMELY powerful hardware yet still only a handful of games actually to take advantage of it. Console gaming isn't going to be replaced anytime soon.
@anarki i completely agree with you i have a droid 2 and the minute i jump online to browse, use netflix, or play a simple puzzle game like words with friends my battery drains immediately. for me to use any of these 3 things i have to keep my phone charged. also does anyone notice when you do use any app or browse the web the phone gets really hot?
gaming droid you are forgetting ps3 slim was pushing 120 degrees with killzone 2
Even with top notch graphics their still phones. How can a mobile be a better gaming machine then something created that is solely dedicated to gaming. Short answer is it wont be better then a hanheld that is only created for gaming. I'm not saying not worth owning,
Not only that but gaming these days on a handheld is insanely hard with touchscreen controls.
It's not hard to believe after 6-7 years this is possible.. I think one day mobile will pass consoles.. ipads & 1nm gpus & 20w 6 core cpus will have less heat & more power! & will be upgraded every year! While consoles will be a 7 - 10 year upgrade.. Can't wait for ipad 20! or consoles will probably be like onlive by then.. Only took them 4 year since the iphone 1 to match consoles great! btw I haven't seen physics this good on consoles yet! - http://www.youtube.com/watc...
20nm is a barrier for battery powered devices, due to electron loss issues that cause constant power drain at manufacturing process scales below that. Mobile electronics are going to stop evolving by about 2014, for that reason, unless someone comes up with an amazing solution for the physics problem at hand, or comes up with a fantastic new mobile power source to replace batteries. Desktop chips can continue to evolve down to about the 10nm range, where similar physics issues get in the way. Even so, Desktop electronics at the 14 and 10nm scales will consume enormous amounts of power, due to the same electron loss issues that would plague mobile devices at those scales.
They might be as powerful as the 360/PS3, but you won't be seeing Crysis, Metro, Fallout and the likes releasing on mobiles, so what's the point? How many mobile owners will want to pay $60 for a game that's way too complex for them to understand, when they can kill 5 minutes of their time with Angry Birds and Doodle Jump?
"I think one day mobile will pass consoles" ....What?
http://www.youtube.com/watc... oh if you only knew what you were talking about, this forum would be a nice place. show me iphone do this and ill throw both my pc and consoles out the window. oh and you showed off a tech demo... we have alot of pretty tech demos out there
Samsung Galaxy s 2!!!!
I have one. It is a beast :)
I have a Samsung Galaxy S 1. ***Sadness***
I have it also and the battery life is poor when you're playing games... idle is fine..
Thing is, would I want to play full on harcore console type games on the way to work? No. I'd probably stick with something casual e.g. Doodle jump...console level graphics not required there :P
This is why consoles should take their time and advance their tech from the current generation FULLY to another level for their next generation console.. Now...Im not gonna mentions any names here, but yall know what Im talkin about x} Agree or Disagree if you Agree
Doesn't matter, my Macbook Air pwned my PS3 in performance last November. That's hard for me to swallow.
PS3 out PSP is almost a ps2 PS4 out Vita is almost a ps3 (not complaining at all btw)
Well touch gaming has it's limitations and I'm not getting any tablet for gaming purposes or any other for that matter....
But mobile GPUs can also find their way in smartphones like the Xperia Play, which actually has physical buttons. Also interesting, if what he says is true, by the end of 2012 or in 2013, smartphones and tablets could be more powerful than the 3DS and the Vita CPU and GPU wise (as smartphones adn tablets already have much more RAM than any of these systems). If HTC or Smasung (or any other Android phone manufacturer) were to release a smartphone similar to the Xperia Play in 2012/2013, they could potentially be real contender in the handheld gaming market, at least for the more casual customer, and all that for a lower price than the Vita thanks to subsidisation.
lol most phones on the market are already graphically superior to the 3DS
"If HTC or Smasung (or any other Android phone manufacturer) were to release a smartphone similar to the Xperia Play in 2012/2013, they could potentially be real contender in the handheld gaming market, at least for the more casual customer, and all that for a lower price than the Vita thanks to subsidisation." this ^ But the main reason they would be good is because Android is an open platform, developing for 3ds or psv means nint/sony have a say in it and you have to pay them royalties on sales; same as console vs PC.
They also have there advantages, for instance what's better to play a tactics game like Final Fantasy Tactics on, or a Strategy game like Command and Conquer? They are also completely capable of offering the same experience as controller, on game's where fast precise movement is not insanely important like turn based J-RPG's. And don't tell me games like Angry birds play better on the PS3 with the analog stick. Anyway my point is touch screen controls aren't worse there just different. It's like asking PC gamers do they think controllers are accurate and do they like to use them. Alot of PC gamers hate controllers and can't stand them different strokes for different folks. Edit: typo's
Simpler games(Angry Birds, Doodle Jump, Plants vs Zombies) do have an advantage in mobile devices, but when playing FPS or action games the experience will never come close to that of a controller or a keyboard and it's not because of preference but more of reliabilty and control, just try playing CoD or BFBC2 on a phone or tablet.
I'm speaking mainly for myself here, but my point is often you struggle more with the controls on touch gaming than more traditional gaming. Also the relatively small screen on most tablets isn't what I'd prefer for most of my gaming. Tablets and smart phones have their use when travelling or in short sessions. But there is a point when the better graphics don't really have a large impact on these small screens. A dedicated mobile gaming device will have advantages over these smart phones for some time. And if they designed Angry Birds for more traditional controls it would probably control better when played on PS3/PSP. Angry birds have a fairly simple game play anyway as many touch games do...
When you get twin joysticks and shoulder buttons call me. Until then consoles and handheld gaming systems for me. Graphics are pointless without control.
Totally, totally true. How many PSP gamers craved and begged Sony for a PSP with dual analogue? And how many rejoyced when the Vita was announced sporting that exact request? It makes all the difference, and when you don't even have a single analogue stick, that is even worse. Who cares about high-end graphics when the gameplay is completely sucky because of a limited control interface? Don't get me wrong there are some great mobile games, but they're not in the same league as the ones on dedicated gaming machines.
Exactly all these graphics yet you are unable to control a character in 3d space.... Whats the point? Beautiful point and click and swipe adventures?
We have near playstation 3 quality graphics on a mobile gaming device it's called playstation vita!
Shame Sony finalized in 2010 because you just know the iPhone will have better graphics, luckily though the only people who develop on iPhone do 2D games and the ones that are 3D don't even look as good as PSP games (excluding the ones on rails)
Objective-C is a terrible language to develop in (with regards to performance), and OpenGL ES isn't exactly high performance, either. There are a lot of factors that stop a generic mobile device from being able to compete with a dedicated gaming handheld, given the same hardware. That said, I even doubt the iPhone 5 will match the Vita's CPU and GPU at all. It will likely be on par with the iPad 2, but in a handheld form factor.
Also, anything made by Apple is extremely overpriced.
iPod touch is extremely fairly priced. Especially the 4G with the retina display and 720p camera.
keep telling yourself that, tried comparing it to other similar devices?
power is good but what good is that power if the best its gonna see is angry birds?
exactly. Even if it was true there would have to be games that use it. Console games will always be bigger than mobile games. We have games that dont fit on a dvd that holds 8+ gigs. Do people really think that anyone would want to DL a 8 gig full games on a phone if they could? They need to start making more quality games specifically for these devices if they want to compare it to console gaming.
yeah, but there still phones and will never count as a gaming device especially if its an apple product
. No surprise " IF " you have been following WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING for the last few years. New consoles are needed NOW, but greed and power corrupt so while I was convinced that 2012 would be the start of a new gen...I'm not convinced anymore that it will...sad really. Everything says it will but Epic coming out and saying that the 360 has more to give is a red flag and after all their talk about needing new hardware, it's a complete reversal that tells me that at the very least, we might see another Gears game THIS gen...I hope not.
It's that difficult to understand? the ten year life cycle for the PS3 doesn't mean it'll not be a new console before that cycle ends, the PS2 had a ten year plan but it's selling now, it's in the market for more than 10 years, the PS3 was released in 2006, that was the sixth year of the PS2 life cycle, come on dude, it's not that hard to understand...
Come on man he's a troll no point in trying to teach them they never learn.
No need to follow what anyone says, least of all you. When the ten year lifecycle was first brought up, I knew what it meant and so did all my gaming friends. I don't feel the need for a new console yet, but maybe that's because of the console I bought. If you need better graphics to enjoy another Gears, I'd say Gears isn't all that great of a game in the first place. OT - It doesn't matter to me how advanced the graphics on a phone get. I do very little gaming on my phone and that won't change.
I thought you were just a BF3 troll, turns out you really are that dimwitted
It's not impossible to match the graphics but can deliver both graphics and gameplay? Also without any dedicated buttons these multipurpose devices will always be lacking the proper interface for smooth gaming.
Even if mobile HW achieve that kind of "power", still don't have resources like Console Manufacturers have, mobile gaming is becoming popular bu it'll get to a point in which it'll be over-saturated with the same kind of mini-games...
I think the lighting in uncharted 1 in different area's was amazing, water and snow in uncharted 2 and in uncharted 3 water again has been upgraded and sand now. Graphics will never drop off, there will always be something new somewhere. I have an HTC phone, but i don't use it for gaming. Not really my thing. My son has psp and will have a vita soon enough. But unless a phone has analogue sticks, full use buttons then why would you bother. I know sony has the psp phone. So maybe see where that goes.
Thats great with GPU power..but without physical buttons its still gonna be a pain to play...or maybe Im old fashion. ..you kids get off my lawn!
I can't stand touch controls for gaming.
Sorry, this just isn't true, unless you qualify it by stating that, given that mobile devices typically cap out at around "540p", the per-pixel workload that these GPUs could hande could work out to about the same as rendering a 720p image on a PS3 or 360. The Qualcomm Adreno 220, despite being awesome, is not even one quarter the GPU that the PS3 or 360 have. The 320 isn't due out until very late 2012 (more likely it won't hit retail until 2013), and I sincerely doubt it'll be able to match the PS3/360 GPU even then... although certainly it'll be close. Maybe half as powerful. With half the pixels to work on (960x540 == 518.4K vs 1280x720 == 921.6K), I can see where the statement might be "true-ish". It could probably deliver the same quality, *per pixel*.
Don't even begin to talk about the tech-specs. No developer will even try to develop games that really push the hardware if they can only sell the mobile phone game for $5 at most.
"all aboard the hype train!"
as we approach manufacturability @ 22nm the material set of construction totally changes and performance, while reduction of heat will make these types of graphics very doable + the addition of a new display type... cant wait..
DA if you blind DA, you have no idea what I am talking about.. I just build this stuff....LMAO
to bad theres no console gameplay, controls, depth. Graphcis are worthless by themselves
dont be stupid, the future is hear, expect to see manufacturers take advantage of this power very soon