From the "PS3 can't get a publicity break" file comes news that the system's Blu-ray load times will be slower than the DVD speeds of the Xbox 360.
Well of course. The 360 has always had the edge when it came to the games.
Hmmm...the 360 has ALWAYS had the edge when it comes (not came) to games. Funny, most of these MS [email protected] don't even realize that the PS3 isn't even out yet, yet they feel they can already judge the integrity of the ps3s software. Typical BS!
What you fail to realize young hispeedsoldier (ironic cause the platform you blatently are a fanboy of has slow loading) is that the edge i spoke of was that the 360 has the better games. And yes i know i said nothing new, but sometimes those damn fonyboys just have to hear it again.
Yes, game loading speed is slower on the PS3 Blu-Ray drive, which is why the PS3 uses cacheing to hard drive - this was all announced some time ago and is common knowledge!
I hate when stuffs gos slow, but this won,t stop me from buying a PS3.
Takes longer to load the games up because the games look so good :D
it takes longer becuse they are using a slower BR drive
we know 360 rocks ,no need.we just some bastards waiting on the ps3 ,if it`s fine with u ?
Blu-ray read speed is constant from any part of the disc where on DVD it's a maximum read spead.
With the 360's DVD (CAV) drive, the read speed is 12x at the outer edge of the disc but only 6x at the inner edge of the disc. Programers get around this by putting information that needs to be read faster on the outer edge of the DVD, so it will still be faster than Bluray. Bluray reads at a constant rate but only beats the 360 drive at its slowest speed. So unless Sony uses a 4x bluray player, load times will most likely be longer.
"A 12x CAV drive like the one in the 360 will be 12x speed for around 15% of the outer disc, that figure is peak performance. The closer to the inner ring it gets the slower accesses get (5x speed on the inner ring) - probable average: around 8x speed. Another interesting thing seems to escape everyone is that the 12x DVD drive in the 360 only reads dual layer discs at a maximum of 8x speed. As it was in single layer, the 8x speed is peak performance. The 2x speed BD drive performs quite well in this case: a BD25 on PS3 fares better than a DVD9 on the 360. The great majority of 360 games are and will be pressed on DVD9s. Another interesting point with existing CLV BD drives is that they do not have the dual layer penalization with DVD dics. If a BD drive is rated to read DVDs at 8x, it will read dual layer DVDs at 8x as well. This is why Sony is comfortable with its choice and knows it will hold its own against MS's choice in the DVD format." http://ozymandias.com/archi...
I read a lot of off the top of the head statistics around here without any official references. Can some of you people start putting where you are finding this information about drive performance and everything else. So that we can read them from the Official source instead of quoting a bunch of 10th generation hear say. Thanks
Why do people post stuff like this it will only start a flame war...
the PS3 comes with a STANDARD HDD in every box.
the ps3 will load much faster. transfer rate is not the only one. the max transferrate will rarely be reached on the xbox360. but what ppl forgot is the seek time of the drive, and there is blue ray a lot faster !! wait till tgs and you will see it !!! as if sony would make such bs, hahaa poor lemmings.
I don't see how blue ray would be faster as it's just a disk like DVD. Yes it can hold a lot more information but loading times would surely be down to the console itself. Anyway you can invest in your Paystation, i think i will be holding onto my 360 for a little longer thank you
i really think that you only say those things in order to "provoke" others since i hardly see anyone arguing that loosely as you ;) on to some more technical matters: seek time would be important if you had lots of small files scattered throughout the layout. Once you find your data and start copying incrementally seek time is meaningless. And believe me when i say that developers can layout the files the way they want on their respective optical medium. other than that i hardly believe that the ps3 will have such a low seek time (can't find any sources backing your claims btw) that it would negate the effects of slow data throughput. in the end developers will find ways to optimize towards their target platform but that is not ours to discuss isnt it? from a pure technical point the ps3 might suffer from long load times.
BD is not the same as DVD in some respect. The standard "DVD" spins slowly at first, while the BD spins at a constant speed at all times. just my 2 cents
if we would have a constant spin on a blue ray disc we would get different read speeds from the beginning towards the end. lets say that that the disc spins 5 times per second and has a radius of 10cm with the data starting at 2cm. lets say that every mm we can store 1Byte of data. thus we would compute 5 ( amount of spins per second ) x length of the circle computed by 2 x radius x PI so at 2cm (beginning of the CD) we read 5 x 2 x 2 cm x PI = 62.8316 cm = 628.316 mm so we could read about 628 byte per second lets see how fast we can read at the end ( 10cm ) 5 x 2 x 10 cm x PI = 314.1593 cm = 3141.593 mm which is about 3141 Bytes/Second which is alot more than the 628 bytes we could read at the beginning. but i think you meant constant read speed instead of constant spin. for constant read speed the spin is higher while reading the inner part and getting slower while reading the outer parts.
as i described above the Blu-Ray uses a variable spin in order to archieve constant read speed which has a negative effect on seek time ;) in order to find your data and effectively read it you need to find the correct position and spin the disc with the correct speed. spinning too fast or too slow and you will read faulty data. So you not only have to move the Laser you also have to adjust the disc speed which isnt a very fast thing to do because of the discs momentum.
Non one believes anything you just typed. Can you show us something that supports your bogus claims? Next Gen isn't suppose to be SLOW. Thats pitiful. And most of the Blu ray space will be mutliple languages and extra non game content. lol..... When will sony fans realize they put blu ray in to push their formatt. Not for games. If you don't believe me, here is a link that should open your eyes. Jump In. http://ozymandias.com/archi...
how comes that people try to argue about technical details? There are 2 basic problems i see with that: 1. Most of the ones arguing have to rely on information provided by 3rd persons. They normally dont check the source and just claim it as a fact. In really love to discuss technical stuff as some people might have noticed by now. So i really enjoyed the discussion between ozymandias and Mark DeLoura. 2. Technical facts say nothing about the value of a console. The old Dreamcast was a pretty powerfull machine and if it would still available ( and would have a DVD addon ) it would most likely position itself between PS2 and XBox from a performance point of view. Still this console went down the drain unfortunately.
RE: "First of all, multiple languages on a disc is a big deal(See your entry on mod chips for import games). It contributes greatly to Sony's statements that the PS3 will be region-free." It'll be interesting to see what happens here. Having multiple languages on a disc doesn't necessarily mean the disc will run in every region. It's pretty simple to region code a disc at manufacturing time - in which case the game would use the appropriate language and only that language. I still believe region coding will be a way of life for all of the next-gen consoles... guess we'll see in a few months!
PSZero THIS IS DYING!
Another M'S attack omg they should worry bout there product not attacking. they havent beat PS1 PS2 dumb4ss M'S. whoever believe rumor is a stupid moronic. this is not official just another s2pid M's attck .360 fanboys laugh all yo want your just jealous hahahahahahaha . Get it Got it good
So when Sony says that Blu-ray is required for next-gen that okay but when microsoft shows facts of disc load times it's BS. Stop being arrogant and let's say both companies are trying to sell the most amount of consoles as possible. If 2 out of the 3 next gen console makers are sticking with standard DVD and only one is using next gen disc and it also happens to be that that maker is sony and owns a majority of stock in Blu-ray and stand to take profits in the billions if blu-ray is mainstream. I think you should question sony's intentions with this next gen system that they are building. So does sony really care so much about developers making biggers games that the only option that sony thought of was using blu-ray at the expense of slower loads, more expensive drives and experimental (new) drives that have only entered the consumer market. This issue could have easily been solved by releasing bigger games on multiple disc like in the past. I wonder why nobody at sony thought of that, maybe because this gives sony a chance to create a new format and hopefully monapolize the market and get some easy money. Think about it if single discs are actually that important that why not go with HD-DVD which is proven technology and is officially released by the dvd-forum, oh wait sony wouldn't make money from that. People think twice first.
ps3 loading times are slower than the 360s but not by alot, so u will have to wait maybe 5-10 sec for a game to load since u put the disc in.
5 to 10 seconds? This is next gen, the xbox 360 already takes 15 to 20 seconds and since the ps3 drive speed is 55% the speed of the 360 load times appear to be a good 30 to 40 seconds. It's pretty long, count for yourself.
360 DON'T USE STANDART HARD DRIVE PS3 USE STANDARD AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA . SEING IS BELIEVING .... M'S SHOULD WORRY BOUT PS2 PS3 IS NOT EVEN REALEASE YET THEY ALREADY SCARED LOL. 360 WILL END UP 360 BACK TO XBOX LOL THATS Y THEY CALL IT 360 TO GO BACK A XBOX .
get your folks to re-enrole you in 1st grade, 'cause you sure didn't learn to communicate when you were there the first time.
360Lagman is obviously an inner city thug who doesn't know proper Enlish or spelling skills. Honestly, I'm not sure how he can afford a PS3.
http://www.gamespot.com/pag... the first chart needs some more thinking to understand the numbers but the second chart is the one you want to look at ;)
generally load of the ps3 wont over 20% faster than or slower than the 360. even tho dvd dont have a constant transfer rate, devs for the 360 bypassed this by putting the largest files on the outter rim of the disc and the smaller files on the inner rim of the dvd. this has been done on nearly all disc based games.
"in order to find your data and effectively read it you need to find the correct position and spin the disc with the correct speed. spinning too fast or too slow and you will read faulty data. So you not only have to move the Laser you also have to adjust the disc speed which isnt a very fast thing to do because of the discs momentum." seeking would not be if there constant transfer speeds. which means everythign on the disc "should be" sequenced, instead of being placed on different parts of the disc to improve performance
you cant sequence game data like you could sequence an audio cd. of course you can improve it by a huge means but you still have to jump over the cd in order to find all the neccessary data needed for gameplay ;)
I can only imagine... the disaster if the PS3 will rely on the hd to prevent load times. Imagine you have 20 games; it is not like you can replace the HD. If some XBox 360 gamers are complaining about not having enough space with the 360 HD (While they can buy more than 1) now think about the PS3. This is not necessarily a good thing; the PS3 should be able to load game faster not slower (w/o the use of another device), this also translates to higher energy bill, and more heat. This is a problem if you are planning to download any content or have lots of games. Do the math, if you have lots of games or use the PS3 to download new content from their online service you will run out of space very fast. Let’s see which one is faster looking into your PS3 HD to see what you want to remove in other to load a game you want to play or Switch a DVD game after 40 hours of game play (4 years from now when games don’t fit on regular DVD and have to come in 2 DVD).
putting the game data in whole could solve this. and when it come to a point where the game would need to seek previous data. i believe that the dev's for the PS3 just had put multiples of the same data on the disc. hence the 22GB on Resistance.
so it generally comes down to two points of view i think: 1. Have low loading times due to compression and a slightly slower seek time but in exchange data is scattered more 2. Have low loading times due to sequencing data with the effect that you may have the same data multiple times on your disc. Compression helps here too. :D
Even if it is just multi-languages and extra content, that is still better than just the plain game that you are getting for your MID-GEN console the 360, which only has dvd(I laugh everytime I think about that, DVD for "Next-Gen",LOL) a current gen medium.
If you go to the Playstation.com specs page, you'll notice that they've taken off the drive speed information for Blu-ray. http://www.us.playstation.c... The scrivener dude (PS3 insider) talked about how Heavenly Sword was loading within 4~5 seconds, and when he asked how the Devs could get that much data loaded in such a short amount of time they gave him "if I told you I'd have to kill you smile." http://genmay.com/showthrea... Think that Sony realized that 2x was a little too limiting and wanted to give devs even faster load times than they anticipated? I'm not sure if it's even a possibility since the cost of the system is already pretty high. Then again, this is a long term investment and the costs are only going to decrease as time goes on.... What do you guys/gals think?
i do find that weird. WTF is going on. unless, yes. Sony is finally using their site to tell us new info. and this new secret is an updated specs sheet on the site, and u have to look for it. Almost like a Viral Marketing Campaign, except you have to look throught the site and find the clues as to what the launch will bring and everything. I also find it strange how in that article they said yea the 360 drive is faster than the ps3 drive, yet they said that the BD25 drive is better than a 360 DVD-9 drive. Id like someone to figure that out. But yea, ive been gone all weekend and this is just weird to read and come back to.
I wonder if a day is going to go by were there isn't some bad news about the ps3? they should have had more playabe demos on ACTUAL ps3's(not dev kits, or pcs behind curtains) and e3, then they could have avoided all this negative publicity by having some actual proof.
i wished that ppl would a. ease off on bringing the PS3 down, and b. ease off on saying that 360 sucks, cause it doesnt. But yea, im hoping that come TGS and after, it should moist likely be good news from then till launch. Hopefully, they get it together, or else they wont have much fanbase behind them at all. Sony better be glad they still have people behind them.
Even after all the lame BS news, and the Lame Xbox Fanboys, etc... I'm still waiting to get ONLY* a PS3 and i know tons of people that are the same way, Even with all this bs going around PS3 will be the Console of CHoice! And thats all that really matters. CHumps!
Its new techie. Of course it will load slower. Same happened to DVDs they havent reached the speed of CDS. So Stop complaining fanboys and wait till NOVEMBER 17. WELCOM3 CHANG3!!!!
I really couldn't give a crap about disk read times. It's all pathetic. I never notice how long my game is loading for other than the odd game with a boring load time. Besides, the Xbox 1 introduced Hard drive caching as standard, and the developers rarely ever used it. What makes you so sure the developers will even use caching to improve the Bluray load times? that kind of thing takes time to program, and not alot of developers have time. I'm not buying a PS3 because I don't like the games, the console is too expensive, and I hate the whole Bluray scam. That doesn't make the console terrible. Fanboys aren't even annoying anymore, they're just funny. The average Fanboy is too stupid to warrant actually arguing with them, arguing with a fanboy is an insult to my intelligence. I'm just going to sit here, enjoying my xbox games, sipping my drink, and laughing at the Fanboys sitting around making stupid arguments they didn't even have the brain to come up with. Remember that next time you quote a Microsoft or Sony slogan, or run off you favorite Ken Kuturagi keynote quote.
I second that opinion. Its just one thing, as long as the drink is beer, then ill join you. LOL. But yea, ill just watch and post comments regularly.
Is loosing fans by the minute/hour/day. Yes there are those waiting for a PS3. But there are many MORE not waiting and not interested mainly due to the price but also all the bad news and very very low buzz. E3 2006....quiet....The games convention in Europe....Quiet. Fact is Sony will never have the market dominance with next gen consoles again. They are like Michael Jackson in the 80's. He was at his peek. Now he still sells but no where near his prime time. Sony's prime time has came and went. They still have their die hard fans...but Microsoft has stolen the thunder and excitement away from Sony. All you have to do is look at E3 2006 and the Game Convention. MS stole the show in both cases. And is still selling at a record pace. Selling more and more "Every" quarter. I would have thought the sales would slow up the closer to the ps3 launch. But they have actually picked up and continue to sky rocket. I know this because my Cousin works at EB games as a manager and he said that at their last district meeting....They mentioned that the 360's are selling out at record pace. And the hype has been building and with the release of Madden and Saints Row, Console have been flying off the shelves at a faster rate than prior. Wait till Gears of War hits....WOW...MS is the unstoppable force. Sony's hype has dwindled away....A high price with no excitement...coupled with constant bad news can do that to you.
I swear you get funnier every day. 360s selling out at a record pace?! lol Yeah, I guess that's why there's so many available. I guess that's why MS refuses to show sales figures for the console and only states how many they've 'shipped'. And even that number keeps getting pushed back. MS could've stolen Sony's thunder, but they squandered their one-year head start. Too bad for them. Mostly all the gamers I know are waiting for PS3 because they want the best, and a few want the Wii for RedSteel and Metroid (plus the supposed cheap price helps). The 360 on the other hand tends to get badmouthed...a lot. Even the 360's future killer app, Gears of War, made a few of them laugh once they saw the gameplay vids. =/ I'm totally serious about that, which is why when you say "The crowd went wild, stood up, and started cheering when they showed the Gears trailer at my theater!"...sounds so damn ridiculous. Come on, you're not fooling anyone.
Damn,If The Real Deal says so, it must be true ;) he has all these relatives that provide him with inside information, he claims that excitement for the PS3 has been falling (I don't normally follow the polls, but the PS3 has been rising in anticipation in japan and all over the world over the Wii, which was so far ahead of the PS3 after E3, contrary to what the real deal claims)and according to him and TheMart, two people we know have unquestionable, nonaligned opinions ;) Gears of War will be THE GAME to win the war for MS over Sony. I don't want to sound biased, but after PS3 is released (or maybe just after TGS) and the public experience the PS3 software. everyone but the devout Bill Gates a$$ lickers will say "gears of war WHAT!!!" and everyone will know that now we have truly entered the next generation of gaming. The 360 is an alright system but it is not next-gen.
Xbox fanboys like real deal and the mart dont want to hear that.They dont want to face the facts that xbox is'nt popular anywhere in the world except in the us.Ps3 is going to outsell xbox again,but i guess they will have to find that out in time.
sony is going to feel the cold shoulder of the consumer...as the consumers have a choice [email protected]$600 or a 360+2-4games for the same amount...forget the $5oops3... as for all you loyal fony fans all 5 of you who got hit with hype that dont think the 360 is next gen...kiss my oblivion,doa4.kameo... and this november gow...scda...forza2... only thing hotter than these 3 is halo3... ps3/slow br drive sounds like fony...
If people wanted a pathetic xbox 360 they would have brought one already and not left pyramids of them in every store, but they did'nt cause they are waiting for ps3.
Jules, you and TheMart must be some race of super intelligent space monkeys that can predict the future!!!Damn I wish I had the fortune enough to do that (hey dude, could you also tell me what tommorows lotto numbers will be, please!! I'll cut you in on it) all kidding aside, these 360 loyals refuse to accept the fact that price IS NOT the only deciding purchase factor for consumers (because they know that price is the bulk of what the 360 offers) and that Gears of War is the Holy Grail of software that will secure the future for MS. Nonsensical flaming is all these people have. I know its hopeless but they'll wise up in the end(BTW Forza is a complete GT rip off, and Kameo is what was overhyped and underdelivered, not Sony)
SO IF A FUTURE GAME COMES OUT THAT SHARES ON-LINE 3 COLLABARATION LIKE FINAL FANTASY (XBOX&PS2) THEN IF A(360) STARTED 6 AT THE SAME TIME B(PS3) WHICH GAME PLAYER WILL MAKE IN THE GAME FIRST. OBVIOUSLY GIVEN THE ARTICLE I KNOW THE ANS. AND SO DO YOU. 0 THE ANS IS RIGHT INFRONT OF YOU.
...for as far as anyone can say, with only 4x DVD, no HD-Drive and only 32 mb RAM, PS2 ran Colossus, Jak1,2&3, god of war, Primal and Ghost Hunter etc. perfectly that had seamless worlds, also that the new Rogue Galaxy is said to have no loading times at all...most of the above games are dual layered and above 8 gb in size, so as a 6 years old system can load and display hi-quality textured, seamless games without any difficulty at 4x speed, more efficiently than Xbox or PC(both having more RAM and a HD-drive but no seamless worlds, only streaming pop-up worlds without dynamic loading technology, so lo-quality textures), so why would 2x BD rom WITH an HD-drive falter in this area ?! NAH ! no one can say Sony didn't thought about that, disc reading speed and capability is no problem at all here because history says so !
with all the negative publicity,I wonder how anticipated this console would be had it not carried the sony playstation name? seriously, had this been the General Election home entertainment system, same features/specs, but not from the makers of the PS2, would anyone still be wanting it? I'm not putting it down, my curiosity just gets the best of me. Even die hard fans have to admint the constant stream of negative news has got to make you think every now and then.
31.1 - dude. DJ - 1 Hour ago I swear you get funnier every day. 360s selling out at a record pace?! lol Yeah, I guess that's why there's so many available. I guess that's why MS refuses to show sales figures for the console and only states how many they've 'shipped'. And even that number keeps getting pushed back. MS could've stolen Sony's thunder, but they squandered their one-year head start. Too bad for them. Mostly all the gamers I know are waiting for PS3 because they want the best, and a few want the Wii for RedSteel and Metroid (plus the supposed cheap price helps). The 360 on the other hand tends to get badmouthed...a lot. Even the 360's future killer app, Gears of War, made a few of them laugh once they saw the gameplay vids. =/ I'm totally serious about that, which is why when you say "The crowd went wild, stood up, and started cheering when they showed the Gears trailer at my theater!"...sounds so damn ridiculous. Come on, you're not fooling anyone. Thats a post from you above. I had to laugh at your pathetic response to the "TRUTH". E3 and the Game Convention is a Gage to the excitement of consoles. The 360 stole both shows winning just about every award. I'm not making the hype up. Its well documented. The 360 recieved "25" hot titles at the Game convention while the ps3 only had "6". And MS did release how much the "SOLD". Here is the link again...since you keep spreading lies... http://www.gameshout.com/ne... Ok. Now that we got your first lie about shipped out the way...let me address the rest of your silly little posting...lol...lol...lol Yes, there are some fans waiting for a PS3. But there are way more fans buying the 360 and it being their first MS console. I know this because my cousin works at EB and he gets many customers who come in complaining about the price of the ps3 and saying that they have to play Madden Next Gen and don't want to wait and pay more for a ps3. Sorry if that surpises you but it shouldn't. Just about every annalyst say that the 360 will win over market share and in the best case scenario for sony is to tie MS. That backs what my cousin said. Sony Fans are jumping ship every day. Is that hard for you to understand. Its really common sense. lol... Get a clue buddy. lol...lol...lol The 360 only gets badmouthed by the few sony fans left like you. Even PS3 editors from several news sites recommend their readers to get a 360. Thats the ultimate form of flattery. When an editor for the competition recommends its competitor. So who cares about you and gametime. lol....lol.... You guys are last gen guys. We left you behind last Novemeber. Just play your ps2 and get your ps3 if you can find one and be happy. Just know that you are a rare and dying breed of gamer. The "Lame" Fanboy. lol...lol...lol.... On this site picking sides. lol..... People take my posts as bashing the ps3. And they lie. I just love the 360. Is that possible? To feel highly as PS3 editors do about the 360 and still buy a ps3 for the games? Is that ok by sony fanboys? Or do you have to pick sides and act like idiotts? And I'm the Real Deal. Everything I say is TRUE. You don't have to believe it. You don't have to like it. The truth hurts sometimes. And yes..."Gears of War" is the game. But don't take my word. Read all the previews from editors that have played it. Or look at all the awards it won at E3. lol..lol...lol....I'm sorry Reistance didn't win anything. I'm sorry no one cared about that game. I'm sorry the ps3 at this point has not one game that can compete with Gears of War. I'm sorry all the games you thought was exclusive are coming to the 360. The only game to win anything for the ps3 "Assasins Creed" is coming on the SAME day as the ps3 version. And all you sony fanboys kept saying it wasn't coming or it was timed exclusive. "NOT". lol...lol...lol...Thanks Microsoft.
The company has strong momentum for the Xbox 360. In its fiscal fourth quarter, which just ended June 30, Microsoft sold a quarterly record high 1.8 million game consoles, raising its total sales to 5 million globally. Microsoft has sold 3.3 million of the popular game machines in the U.S., 1.3 million in Europe and 400,000 in the rest of the world since its Nov. 22 launch last year. During the holiday quarter last year, Microsoft sold 1.5 million Xbox 360s, increasing sales to 1.7 million during the first three months of this year. http://www.gameshout.com/ne...
Sony fanboys are gasping for air. I say Fanboys. They need good news and are willing to say anything to gain an upper hand. TGS is a few weeks ahead. If MS steals their thunder again i can see alot more 360 selling
there is at least 1 billion people within all of those regions the XBOX 360 is in right now. now let if even only 40% can afford to blow $500 this still 400 million, and only 150 million of which are interested in videogames. and from wut you just posted that means 1 in 30 purchased a 360.....
"IF" the ps3 has some playable demo's like news states at TGS. then i believe the show is going to be a be tug-o-war. i be very interesting to see if the ps3 is as really bad/good as everyone thinks it is
i was a sony fan. if you look back at my posts when i first joined here you will see that i felt like many other sony fans. but i gave in. the high price of the ps3 and the low to no buzz at this years e3 pushed me to get the 360. i never had an xbox and i now konw what 360 fans are so excited about. the 360 is great. i still might get a ps3 but i doubt it. many of the games will be across both platforms and ps3 just has not one good looking title coming at launch. i have lots of friends who have jumped in with the 360 as well. me and all my friends were sony fanboys to the fullest. but that price is killing us. thats too much once you buy a couple games. also on Cnn i saw a news flash today saying that 360's are suprisingly selling out still across the world. its not a suprise to me. what every microsoft ships, sells within a few days. the hype is out of this world.
Thats a beautiful success story. I'm glad you "Jumped In". You are not alone buddy. Many people are Jumping In. Its the cool thing to do now. Saints Row, Madden 2007, Dead Rising. Just those three games alone are pulling in "New" fans. You see, there are 24 million xbox fans that are waiting to either save money to get a 360 or for one to be available. They "ALL" will jump in. But the good thing is, in the meanwhile MS is pulling "X" sony fans every day. Its New "IP" like Saints Row and Dead Rising that are creating a buzz with gamers. Word of Mouth is the best when it comes to Classic Games. Then you got "Gears of War". WOW. Thanks Microsoft.
no not really...dont get so worked up your high on sony hype...get a 360 kick that habit...as for holy grail game mine is halo3...not gow if i were a highspeedsonyfan i wouldnt mention halo3 either...just pretend halo3 wasnt there... dont think i dont give credit to sony on some things though shadow of the collosus....wow...god of war...no ninja gaiden...but great...legend of dragoon... i dont know the future but i learn from my mistakes and will not likely buy a ps3... halo3 #1 soldier hail the cheif...
for the PS3, its gonna be awesome. The King is arriving on November. Remember Remember, the 17th of November.