DICE: "We hadn't expected anyone to reach lvl 50 in BFBC"

Patrick Bach and Lars Gustavsson talking about Battlefield 3, what went wrong in the Bad Company games and what has changed.

[trainsinrdr]

Dice obviously underestimated the might of the lifeless gamers.

[bumnut]

+1 bubble

[Solid_Snake-]

activision know your gonna get 10th prestige. it says in the manual: to gain 10th prestige please play a few games till some annoying kid messages you with an option for a 10th prestige lobby. join and pay him with your soul and hey presto.

[HINDERIZATION]

i actually worked my way up to 10th prestige in modern warfare 2 but decided to stay at 9th since everyone thinks you hack and shi+ on 10th...

[PRHB HYBRiiD]

@hinderization lol what? that's like running a marathon and then just quit at the finish line.

[nickjkl]

i only played until i got to an emblem i liked

[PRHB HYBRiiD]

its really hard to level up in bc2 im at 34 and it takes forever to just go up one level....i kinda like it that is hard to level up but once u reach level 23 or something u already unlocked everything so ur basically done with mp... i hope they don't implement a prestige system that would suck .

[F7-]

PRHB HYBRiiD

Game play time?

[PRHB HYBRiiD]

@ F7-
113 hours 8 minutes skill level 199

[BLuKhaos]

@PRHB HYBRiiD

Lmao dude you telling me? I've been playing BFBC2 since day one and I have about 367 hours of gameplay time yet I'm only at level 45!

[PRHB HYBRiiD]

@BluKhaos fuck -.- and i had a bit of faith that i would reach level 50 before BF3 came out..i think i might make it to 40 lol

[XI_-Minty-_IX]

Your score-per-minute determines how quickly you're gonna hit 50. I got there at around 250 hours because I played extra aggressively and tossed out ammo boxes everywhere I went and had an SPM of 350. Nowadays (at 550+ hours playtime) it's back down to 330 because I'm working on platinuming all guns.

[wicko]

Yeah, almost rank 30 after 75 hours. I hope BF3 is the same way, I'll try for max rank this time. Score per minute for me is 225 - never really worried about it to be honest.

[Ares84]

I know what you mean. I'm at rank 40 and it takes 250thousand points for the next rank. Thing is I got all pins and medals so the big points are gone. All I can rely on now is getting gold and platinum stars for the guns and it's not much. Every 100th kill gives you a new star for a gun. It takes a LLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOONNNNNNGGG time to level up now.

[Danielmccue]

From the description :

"(skip the shit part with the german boy talking and jump right to 5:30) "

How the hell was this approved?

[frostypants]

I see all these level 50s and cannot believe anyone could play the game enough to get there.

Does playing Rush get you points faster than Conquest? Beause I play Conquest exclusively, and finish #1 on my team about 25% of the time, and in the top 3 nearly 100% of the time, and I swear I'd have to play for 3 hours a day every day for the next 6 months to get anywhere near level 50. And I'm level 36 right now.

A game of Conquest can take 30 minutes, with the highest score typically being around 2500 or so. Yet I've seen people with scores of 4500 after a 15 minute round of Rush. DICE needs to balance this out in BF3.

One thing I've noticed though is that as a result of this slow progression, many of the people who are level 25 or so tend to be just as good as the level 50s. Level 50 just doesn't mean much.

[Ja555on]

I'm level 50 and I always play rush, a good way to get point is to play cold war as a medic and just put down medkits where most of your team are and revive anyone who dies, no rambo reviving though

[NewMonday]

i do think rush gets you to lvl50 faster.

medals also stack the score, if you constantly do different stuff your points will double from the medals.

[showtimefolks]

while COD any noob like me can pick up and play i tried to get into BC2 and got my ass handed to me but when i tried play any COD instant kill streaks lol

so to me COD might me more fun but if i know i want to be good BC3 is where i am gonna be at

[seinfan]

I swear I have seen this comment almost exactly on some other article on this site a while back.

[Chocoboh]

I got to level 50 I think General of the Army if that is level 50 I'm not sure cause I haven't played the game in ages lol

Time Played 3d, 20hr, 20min, 22sec <-- pulled from my profile which I haven't checked in ages

[chak_]

20d 3h 48m :D

On that account, still have more + 120H of beta.

And no BF3 key :(

[NewMonday]

33d and still going

[MidnytRain]

@newmonday

I don't see how anyone can put in 33 days of a game in.

[NewMonday]

i'm addicted, i play it daily

[phinch]

Just out of curiosity how old are you? and are you in full time employment, because i enjoy my gaming and i can clock up some hours, but thats an awful lot man

[bozebo]

33, wow. Most days I've had in a game was about 23 in CoD4 across xbl and PC and I played at a competitive level. 150 000 Kills, mostly in S&D.

33 though... amazed. I have a friend with over 50 in WoW but that game actively tries to waste time...

[radphil]

@MidnytRain

I have 26d for TF2, so it's not unrealistic. And this is with a full time job too.

[MidnytRain]

Maybe I just don't play as relentlessly as you guys, lol. I saw a guy near the top of the Uncharted 2 leaderboards that put in over 100 days. It's probably more now.

[NewMonday]

i'm 32 with a full time job and a family, the game is always on.

[KingZFlipper]

I had a guy on my friends list who played 54 days of MW2. He stopped playing it July 2010, Eight months after the release of MW2. THAT is insane!

[evrfighter]

im pretty sure i put almost 200 days in FFXI

about 80'ish in WoW

[Veeger]

745 hours (31 days) and I won't stop until BF3. Nothing compares to BF. I got my lvl 50 a year ago in about 300 hours.

[Gazondaily]

I really can't wait to see how consoles pull of jet battles in BF3.

How is the map going to be drawn? Will the draw distance be really bad? I doubt it because that would be really jarring and take away from all the efforts made on the visual side of things.

Just playing BC2 today, I look around and I see huge maps, lots of attention detail on distant surroundings such as frigates, scripted jets flying over head shooting on the ground etc and I think- BC2 was really a stop-gap or test for battlefield 3.

I honestly cannot wait for this game. I really hope its great.

[Motorola]

Consoles wont have a problem with the jet battles.. It's not like they are taking the same graphics from the maxed out PC version, so they might not have to dramatically decrease the draw distance.
This worries me because using a Keyboard and Mouse for flying vehicles never turns out well...there's always that one guy that doesn't know how to fly it and they waste it...

[bumnut]

You can use a stick to fly aircraft in battlefield games.

[Motorola]

I know but too bad you can't just use a 360 controller....

[HAF912]

you can use a 360 controller. where did you get that you cant? I played with a guy the other day who said he was doing it. Following his method, i was able to get my ps3 controller to work.

Google is your friend.

just dont try aiming with it lol... thats slaughter.

I still prefer kbm as i got good at flying with that now... but you do have the option.

[bozebo]

kbm works well with the huey in vietnam but I can barely fly the ones in normal bc2 >_< - only need the UMP anyway :P

The flying in san andreas on PC with kbm is great, and so is star wars battlefront 2. I recall bf 2142 being a bit bad for flight controls, but EA's junk servers wouldn't save my progress so I stopped playing that game before I had a chance to learn.

[Wenis]

Planes in BF1943 worked great. I have no doubt jets in BF3 will be even better.

[Trunkz]

I played 1943 on the PS3, it's possible for jets...

[frostypants]

BF:1943 on the consoles had aircraft and they worked just fine. Jets in BF2 were faster, but not a TON faster, than the WW2 fighters in 1942 and 1943.

As long as they keep the speeds down to a reasonable level, they'll be fine on the console maps.

What I'm worried about is the 12v12 limitation. If they offer planes AND choppers on the same map...say, 2 jets and 2 choppers per side...do the math. 2 jet pilots, 2 guys in the attack chopper, and 5 guys in the transport chopper...that's 75% of the entire team up in the air at a time. I'm worried that the air/ground ratio will be screwed up a bit on the consoles if they don't properly limit the number of air vehicles available per map.

BF1943 didn't have this issue as it only had fighters (i.e. no helicopters).

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Jet battles on a console will be a hell of a lot easier that a mouse with a keyboard. Of course pc's have the option of flight stick. It will probably work just like front lines fuel of war did.

[CrimsonEngage]

They didn't expect any too? It's not hard. All you have to do is be good at the game or have no life.

LVL 50 in 3 months here.

[theonlylolking]

I take it you are saying that you are good at the game?

Everyone has a life and has a right to do what they want with their live. You should not judge someone by what they do with their life but because you are not http://www.jameszimbardi.co...

And remember, have nice day

[CrimsonEngage]

Preach to someone else. I don't give a damn.

[bozebo]

Or play medic a lot...

[hiredhelp]

My jaws still on the table from the last video i seen. Roll on october.

[Wuu]

Epic qoute: "Press X to win, we don't believe in that tape of skill"

[DoomeDx]

Great interview with Bach.

The second interview with Gustav? Nothing new

[Solans Scott]

I can see that I'm going to lose a few hundred hours to this game.

[Pro_TactX]

I wish people would stop posting these translate.google.de articles. They are barely legible, so what is the point?

[social_friendster]

I've been asked to delete the original source and replace it by a translated version. Originally I just embedded the video so you can view it right ahead. Don't blame me:)

[GrumpyVeteran]

Bought BC2 on release, 385 hours played.

Rank 34 I think.

[hiredhelp]

Pro_TactX

The point is if you read the the writing before watching the video you skip to ware the guy explains. you get to listen and watch new footage and learn more about the game. thats not been shown b4. but i understand the translation. but not everybody who has news are expected to be all english spoken.

[Pro_TactX]

I don't expect all news sources to be English speaking sites. I do however expect to be able to read anything posted on an English new aggregate. Therefore I do not see the point in submitting articles from sites that do not service the English speaking masses. I have nothing against non-English websites. I am sure they provide great information to the people who speak whatever languages they service, but they do not really have a place here.

The translation from Google does not help a lot either. It is a complete mess.

[LoneWanderer09]

I hope that they dont add a prestige mode THAT WILL SUCK.
In COD:MW2 and COD:WaW i never prestige, because is just dumb and pointless.

[RioKing]

Good for you. I have prestiged, and enjoy the better rep. and higher number of classes :)

To each his own..

[wwedx]

I really hope BF3 has more unlockables or a prestige system in this game once you reach like 24 you unlocked everything and the game just got boring because of that.

[Hufandpuf]

It takes over 400-500 hours to reach lvl 50. I bought the game when It came out and I still haven't reached 50 yet.

[KRUSSIDULL]

Nah, took me like 200 hours then I stoped playing until Vietnam and played another 100 hours im at 304 hours now and have stoped playing.

http://bfbcs.com/stats_360/...

[F7-]

Disagree. Playin for fun and lvl 50 reached in +/- 290 hours (270 + 20 VIETNAM)... SPM 309 ! :)

[spektical]

lvl 50 in bfbc isnt as hard as bfbc2... i've played 27 days now.. and rank 47 >.> i still have like 1 million points to go??

psn extravegant..

[F7-]

Game play time? (hours)

[spektical]

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[spektical]

not 27 days haha.. i exaggerate.. i think im at ~15 days

[xVeZx]

been playing bfbc2 almost 250 hours only level 38 lol

[GirlsGeneration]

Good interview

[Truth]

I play medic class about 90% of the time and get roughly 3500-4000 points a game. I'm lvl 40 right now and I level up at least once every few days. But yeah, it's takes a looooong freaking time.

[GamerPS360]

i am lvl 48 now. I'll prolly hit 50 by the time bf3 comes out.

[Robotronfiend]

Maybe they should have spoken with the Warhawk Devs. I hear maxing out in that one is a big time commitment also.

[EL Lanf]

Im rank 49, and only something like 30,000 off 50, and 1 kill away from G3 Plat... I'd take it easy until BF3s out, but my Xbox live golds going to expire in a week... And this after around 400 hours of play, though I'd be there already, if I wasn't the only one of my friends who knows how to fly a blackhawk properly... pilots don't get rewarded enough.

[GoldPS3]

They should go up to lv 100 then. You can lv up fast by playing the objective in. Some people be on the other side of the map, caring about they own stats. You get most of your points playing as a team. I like to get in the action. You get killed more like that but if me getting killed more helps the team win then that's all that matters to me.

[Raven_Nomad]

They probably figured people would stop playing such a terrible game long before they reached that mark.

[zinkabassy]

Very good and informative interview,.. Incredibly important questions.

Thanx !

[RonXD]

Leveling up does not take long in Bad Company 2. I love how people try to say the only ones that can do it our people with no life.

Once you understand that leveling up can be made easier by earning bronze/silver/gold/platinum stars on your weapons, you will level up much faster.

[ILikeTurtles]

Dice & Sweden ftw :D

[StarWolf]

i never got past the first level thing in cod:mw before trading it in and never picking another cod again

[Afreelunch]

I've seen some total shit lvl 50s. Guys who try to communicate by shooting their squadmates, guys who can't clear a base, guys who bunch up on me at a flag & make it easier for the bad guys to take us all out at once if they get the chance... makes me wonder how they got there in the first place.

[Bladesfist]

I know what you mean

[dkgshiz]

I'm at rank 30 right now. I have 78 hours put into it.

[Orionsangel]

Sorry CODMW fanboys, but BF3 is on another level!

[AO1JMM]

I never did....

I am sitting at level 35 and have been there for quite a bit of time now.

[TABSF]

German Brad?