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Why I Couldn't Care Less About RAGE

Gaming Irresponsibly writer, Franco discusses why he isn't buying in to the hype of RAGE. At least he isn't yet.

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fluffydelusions2280d ago (Edited 2280d ago )

Yeah because ID didn't define FPS or anything /s Article is total rubbish.

agentxk2280d ago

He explains that id will be the reason he actually checks the game out.

fluffydelusions2280d ago

His reasoning is pretty lame imo.

I_find_it_funny2280d ago (Edited 2280d ago )

incoming...

Why I Couldn't Care Less About Someone Who Couldn't Care Less About RAGE

edit/ gamingirresponsibly is on my list of Top 10 wortless N4G submitter websites and I will submit an article about it

agentxk2280d ago

look forward to reading it!

Sub4Dis2280d ago

i do think rage is probably going to be a lot like fallout. however, fallout focused more on the RPG elements. rage focuses on the quality gun-play and the AI. i haven't played rage yet, but if it delivers on what it's advertising, it's going to be a really good game...regardless of what games it is similar.

wicko2280d ago

What a baby, always someone bitching and moaning that game X isn't completely unique.

He also forgets that Rage was in development before both of those games, and was actually shown before Borderlands ever was. I also don't recall anyone going on about how fresh and innovative it was. Even in id's video series they've released, they've said you know what to expect from us, we make shooters.

FriedGoat2280d ago

I personally hope it will be great, i've been playing ID games all my life and upgrading accordingly for new releases. One thing that worries me about this is it doesn't seem at all original. Borderlands rings a bell.

ReservoirDog3162280d ago

I kinda think it looks like bland. No trailer has wowed me yet. Probably cause I don't let graphics sell a game for me.

Maybe it's the best* game* ever* but none of the previews have caught my eye yet.

Maybe it's better that I don't buy into the hype and when I finally play it, I'm absolutely floored?

But all I know is that the graphics and engine stuff that they brag about so much just bores me to tears. I just don't care about 60fps and unique textures. It's like a watching a movie only for the detailed props.

Either way, I'm sure it'll be good but it's at the bottom of the list of the 147,000 games coming out this year.

BulletToothtony2280d ago

i'm not saying that it's will be a bad game but when most of the praises come from the developer it's kinda hard to believe the hype or what he's saying.

Even companies with great records have messed up once in a while.

I hope for carmack's sake that his mentality has evolved cause it's been a long time since quake.

MaxXAttaxX2279d ago (Edited 2279d ago )

...It doesn't seem very interesting to me.
It's a post-apocalyptic FPS.

How is the story/characters?

inveni02279d ago

Can you please show me some video where Rage is focusing on AI? Everything I've seen shows terrible AI and absolutely no physics engine. Graphics aside, Rage is one of the least promising games I've seen in a long time (besides Deus Ex: HR).

Cerberus292279d ago

I know I'm gonna get a TON of disagrees, but I actually feel the same way about RAGE. The graphics engine looks incredible but the gameplay just looks meh, and the whole post apocalyptic thing has been done more than enough already.

paintsville2279d ago

Wow. This dude is lame. ID/Carmack are/is legends of the gaming world. This game will be the biggest thing sine Doom.

inveni02279d ago

Yup. And I love that I got disagrees, but no one cares to actually show me something. If I missed something, I'd like to see it. I don't want to miss out on an awesome game just because I'm misinformed.

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dangert122280d ago

i think this game is being overly hyped
are well back to socom/wkc

stu8882280d ago

what does that make the hype for BF3 then?

Godmars2902280d ago

The same thing if not more so because its a 3rd installment. And there are already enough FPS on the market.

Solid_Snake-2280d ago (Edited 2280d ago )

i cant believe you just called rage over hyped then went back to socom lol.

talk about irony.

least rage will turn out to be a good game.

if anything id say it hasnt had enough hype.

dangert122279d ago

socom is a good game just stop comparing it to older games and see it as its own

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ryhanon2280d ago

Meh. It looks like it's shaping up to be a good game, no way to know for sure until we play it though.

That said, I'm not buying into the hype either, if only because I think id is one of the most overrated developers ever. Sure, they were the big dogs back in the day with Wolfenstein 3D, Doom (most overrated game *ever*), and Quake, but what have they done that's mattered in the last 15 years? Next to nothing, that's what.

While everyone else around them has been pushing the medium forward with interesting gameplay mechanics, systems and story-lines, id has done nothing but try to remain on the cutting edge of technology. And they've arguably fallen behind on that, with developers like Crytek, Dice, Epic, Naughty Dog, and others all taking the lead in various ways in that regard.

What exactly does id do that's worthwhile?

Everyone is hyping this game up... why, exactly? Because it's the first time id has ventured outside of their lame corridor shooters to make a game that features open environments and vehicles? Well it's about time they've started doing what other developers have been doing for nearly 20 years. Way to keep up with the industry, id.

Ducky2280d ago (Edited 2280d ago )

... Crytek's latest shooter was more or less a corridor-shooter. Only thing you can really credit Crysis2 with is visuals.

Dice is known for its MP and can be credited with doing destruction correctly in an Mp setting.

Epic has been... making corridor third-person shooters? I've never bothered playing a Gears game, so I wouldn't know. Though they have beatn iD in terms of engine-licensing.

NaughtyDog is leading the way in story and animation with Uncharted, but it still is a highly-scripted corridor-shooter.

That's not really a whole lot of advancement going on there. Especially when you look at FPS games. I was recently playing Quake2, and it was depressing how little things have changed... and in some cases have degenerated.
It appears that gameplay is progressively being sacrificed for cinematics.

Don't know why you picked a 15-year period for iD's achievements, as most of the quake games fall in that time period... and asside from being a great series, the quake engine also has a heavy influence on gaming today (Valve and CoD) as well as e-sports.

Doom3 was also quite big at the time because it was one of the first times a proper lighting/shading model was used.

As for why Rage is being hyped, I'm hyped because, irrespective of who's developing it, I love the art design and I've liked what the game previews have shown. Seems others have liked it too as it has received quite a few awards from various showing at E3.

ryhanon2280d ago

My references to Crytek, Dice, Epic and Naughty Dog were all in terms of technology, not the differences of the experiences they produce. I felt I was pretty clear on that with the original comment, but here's the clarification for you.

I picked a 15 year period because in the last 15 years they've done bupkis. Most of the Quake games (all of them, actually) do fall in that period, you're right. But other than the first Quake, none of them have been particularly innovative or remarkable in any way.

You cite Doom 3 but the only thing you have to say about it is the lighting model. Again, more technology. I'm not saying id isn't any good at developing games with cutting edge technology, I'm saying that's literally *all* they are good at. Their games have been completely unremarkable in every way other than the technology they employ. They haven't even done anything outside of the realm of first person shooters in uhm... ever?

My point is, 20 years ago id were the big kahunas because they were pretty much the only technologically cutting-edge developers around. Or at least the only wildly successful ones. These days though, there are vastly more developers capable of producing games that are just as impressive technologically as id's, but that are far more impressive in other ways, be that in terms of mechanics or story-line or whatever.

I'm not boarding the hype train for this game because of that. Will it be technologically awesome? Yeah, probably. At least for 6 months until the next capable developer (of which there are *several*) comes along and out shines them.

The more important question should be, will the game be any good? It certainly looks decent, I'll give it that much. Provided the reviews aren't shockingly bad, I'll probably even pick it up at some point. But will there be anything about it, anything at all, that makes it stand out beyond visuals? I seriously doubt it. They've proven themselves incapable of making a compelling experience for the last 20 years and I don't expect this to be any different.

NeoTribe2279d ago

Id started fps but they also havnt made a good fps since they started either. I hope its a good playthrough but im def not buying into the hype either. Seems like a fallout or borderlands without rpg elements. Lets hope for the best.

hassi942279d ago

I sorta agree with the article. It doesn't look like a bad game - but nothing seems to excite me. Various trailers and nothing has given me that hook that makes me say 'I want to buy that game'. Recently for unreleased games; I HAVE had that hook for Battlefield 3, Bioshock: Infinite, The Old Republic, Deus Ex: HR and Arkham City.

joab7772279d ago

He is right. When a game or games r successful, they should never b duplicated or borrowed from or implemented into new ips. No game should ever try and build off of, refine, or perfect other games ideas. Every game must b entirely unique in every facet or its garbage. In this case, have fun, as visor games are like every other form of media, or anything consumer based, they are most times an attempt to improve on prior ideas. I'd love to see which games he does love, so I can explain the lineage of said games and how his argument is falwed. But, I imagine he is just trying to piss ppl off. Seems to b the rage lately.

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agentxk2280d ago (Edited 2280d ago )

While I don't buy in to everything he says, I will say that I bought Borderlands thinking it was RAGE after seeing some previews of it at QuakeCon. I forgot the name and saw the game and thought it was it.

solar2280d ago

Borderlands was overrated. RAGE, i can understand the hype because its id's first new IP in forever.

JeffGUNZ2280d ago

Borderlands overrated?! That game is amazing. Sure, I think Rage will be outstanding, but Borderlands was such an addictive experience.

vortis2279d ago

Does RAGE have 492,252,234 guns of every single type you could possibly imagine? I don't think so.

That alone made Borderlands pwn.

Man, I still can't forget my street-sweeping shotty that fired like a machine gun. That thing was beastly...all black too.

theonlylolking2280d ago

Rage has worse graphics than MW2 so obviously no one should care about RAGE because graphics are EVERYTHING!!!!! 0_o

iMaccaPro2280d ago

I would really love to hear you explain how RAGE's graphics are terrible? Because you obviously haven't a clue. I'd think about comparing the graphics between a linear game and an open world game next time. I seriously don't think this game is getting enough hype.

FAGOL2280d ago

He was being sarcastic

J5Feedback2279d ago

Was his sarcasm not evident?

Thecraft19892280d ago

lol you idiot range is probably going to be one of best graphical multiplats this generation so your smoking crack.

iMaccaPro Its not openworld anymore thanks to the 360.

Zynga2280d ago (Edited 2280d ago )

It is not because of the 360. Its because of this.

http://gamrzz.com/news/carm...

So stop the BS with the 360's fault on its limitation and what. >_>

Zynga2280d ago (Edited 2280d ago )

Sorry double post.

qwertyz2279d ago (Edited 2279d ago )

@Thecraft1989

you ps3 fanboys are ignorant. the ps3 and 360 both have litle processing power and the same amount of ram(512mb) so what are you talking about ? the ram is the reason rage isn't open world do some research before talking smack. kilzone 3 is a 40gb game yet its linear as hell, uncharted 2 is 25gb yet is terribly linear as well yet crysis 1 is 6gb and its environments are bigger than that of all your stupid exclusives combined.. look at infamous 2 its a 6gb game and the environments are also small. ram, processing power and memory bandwidth dictate how good a game can look AND how large environments can be and consoles are lacking in ALL these areas even bulletstorm on pc looks better than ANYTHING on console lol a 2006 high end pc is more powerful than ps3 and 360 combined that just goes to show how crappy your consoles are.

about your crappy cell even a 2006 core 2 DUO(not even quad or extreme) would blow it out of the water you know there's more to a cpu than single precision compute power ? how about addressing the cells weaknesses such as
1) weak ppe( instruction decode rate can bottleneck the spes)
2) weak branch prediction(spus only use static branch prediction which is the most simplistic and crappy form the ppe hs a 3 way branch unit but its not enough to keep up with all the spus)
3) low amount of HIGH latency L2 cache(complete fail)
4) in order execution(which is highly inefficient compared to the out of order execution cpus from 2006 onward utilize)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
5) spus not being able to access RAM directly(they have to rely on the ppe which is already slow) which is another bottleneck

The cell has alot of weaknesses it can't even stand against a core 2 duo and you really think it can match current sandybridge cpus ? lol thats a good one. technology hasn't been asleep for the last 5 years. intel and amd are not stupid if the cell architecture was that powerful we'd be seeing something similar in our pcs today but are we ? NO. You want to know why steve jobs turned down the cell for intel cpus ? because he is a very brilliant man.

www.netlib.org/lapack/lawnspd f/lawn185.pdf

there is more to a cpu than just single precison computational power thats what alot of people fail to realize.

even mr tretton admits that all the above are weaknesses of the cell. look at his reply when I listed the flaws of the cell.

http://n4g.com/news/807666/...

"I think you were missing my point while trying to school me on things I know about. "

the flaws of the cell are so numerous that he couldn't even deny it lol. 2006 pc>>>>>>ps3/ 360. PC FTW

the cell just like the 360s cpu is a piece of sh*t

nightmarex1212280d ago

Well they also putting a lot of work with ai, their ai probably going to be the best every in any game.

a08andan2280d ago

I think he is being sarcastic :P

mttrackmaster382280d ago

Well, apparently you weren't obvious enough with your saracasm.

Congentleman2279d ago

You fail at sarcasm. No one ever even implied RAGE had bad graphics, or graphics worse than MW2. In fact, if anything, RAGE's graphics are OVERhyped, as people are saying these are some of the best graphics ever, when they're just... good. Not even great. Better than, like, MOST games. But not even in the top 15. The article has legitimate complaints, and you obviously read none of them. You're practically parodying yourself at this point- if I were to generalize, I would say that Rage's graphics are the reason a lot of people are hopping on board with it, although not the majority. The majority think that because it was being worked on before Fallout 3 and Borderlands, that it's still utterly original. To their credit, it is: however, that does not change the fact that those 2 games have already been released, and everyone else has a point in that we've already played through the notable points of Rage.

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Cal6642280d ago

Hopefully Rage isn't going to be a straight up rip off of Borderlands but it's starting to look that way. The article is an opinion piece at the end of the day and he makes valid points.

Angels37852280d ago

I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty sure RAGE has been in development even before borderlands. I remember hearing about this game even before borderlands was announced.

NukaCola2280d ago

Everyone thought it was a car game like 4 years ago, but nothing solid. What it is today is a huge shock. I for one want it because it's like B-Lands/FO. This looks more shooter focused, and this sexy @ 60 frames in an open world adventure is awesome. Game is 3 discs on 360. How is that going to work?

Thecraft19892280d ago

NukaCola the game is not open world anymore !

kamakaz3md2280d ago

its just not cell shaded... of course people are gonna respect it and say its not borderlands... the game engine is amazing and the graphics and AI are spectacular. Seems to me tho that the gameplay is bout the same as borderlands. I also find it funny its almost the same gameplay elements, FPS and driving. Im not to excited about it, cause ive already seen this kind of stuff with F3 and borderlands. Theres just regular people out there who get excited over anything.

Inside_out2280d ago (Edited 2280d ago )

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Interesting...Everything he said could be said about ANY game made. What was funny to me was how he picks all the different features and compares it to games that have them...what he forgot is this game has ALL those feature in ONE game...He was too busy hating to notice...O_o

At this point, a completely original game is impossible and while some games are more creative than others, I don't get what this guys problem is.

The vehicles will be feature in multi-player. They claim you won't see the same enemy types twice meaning each area will have it's own AI. They make a point of telling you it will run at 60 fps, but I guess that's somehow bad because you heard GT or Forza does the same thing...0_o...The graphics, to me are incredible and the more I look at them, the more CGI animated they appear...just incredible detail to everything. I didn't think much of it but when you sit and stare at it, so much work went into every little thing.

People like this will never be satisfied. Wait for the game and see if there isn't anything of value. The game hasn't even launched and you basically criticizing the trailers. :/

btw...not a fan of the bragging that willits and Johnny C do but the game looks great...I hope the console version hasn't been gimped.

SweatyFlorida2280d ago

Rage was made for consoles so you can bet its gonna be to its maximum potential on them (give or take between PS3/360)

wiggles2280d ago

I was thinking the same. Except for a few games, everyone has borrowed something from someone.

Eiffel2280d ago

@SweatyFlorida

ID are PC developers so you're dead wrong on that statement. It's a PC title porting to the 360 and PS3.