Over 85 people were killed at a shooting yesterday in Oslo, Norway. The shooter – Anders Behring Breivik, opened fire at a youth camp, shortly after setting off a bomb which killed 7 at a government building.
Bull F***ing S**t
It'z all over the web lol, appears to be true.
Not disputing that, just not sure I believe what the guy is saying as how the he'll could MW2 train him to kill.
media will blame the games yet again, its sad because last time i checked MW3 cant equip you with a real gun and a police officer's uniform where did he get the skills/knowledge to create/obtain a bomb? games dont train anyone to do that
@Mint: He simply used it as a training simulator to help with actual operations. Not creating bombs. I can see how that would work in a way but not very effective.
Oh boy. Countdown til the news jumps all over this and claims all video games like this should never be made. Dumb
the biggest give away is that he learned to run really fast with just a pistol and a knife and he was knifing people from 10 feet away!
The AI in COD sucks. No real-life applications can be made from it.
Unfortunately this is probably another staged terror event. The guy who did the shooting was apparently a Free Mason, and strangely enough, just like 7-7-7 in London, Police had been conducting bombing exercises in the area just a couple days before the blast. http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... http://www.youtube.com/watc... Don't be fooled by these idiots that are "so called analysts" on places like CNN and Al Jazeera, who are already trying to say that AlQueida is responsible without knowing any of the details so far.
How would this guy now that MW2 is a great simulator until he carried out the devastating attack. There are things MW2 does not teach you abd actually gives you the wrong impression. If anyone of you have fired a rifle standing up knows its not particularly easy. Also what tactical knowledge do you gain from MW2 all you need to do is run a round shooting
... if it had been a radical muslim, they would have blamed islam... .... but this guy called himself a radical conservative christian, and obviously THAT can't be blamed (!), so they'll blame his hobbies, like gaming....(!)
probably "No Russian" was a better training for what he did if Fox News finds out about that level gaming will be in the spotlight like never before
Wonder what perks he had equipped. Probably should've had Ghost on so he'd be harder to find. But seriously it'd take ALOT for the media to just blame a computer game. He carried this out on his own and made the bomb on his own free will. Only the SMALLEST percentage could even be associated with the computer game.
If games like this are banned, it will be a violation of free speech, it will take a huge chunk out of an entire industry, and many jobs will be lost. This is a terrible situation, but he is one player out of millions that played MW2. You know what else could be a great military simulator? Playing paintball. Why not cripple that industry too. While we're at it, let's give everyone a giant John Travolta-like bubble to live in so we're all protected from outside harm.
@ Yi-Long Um, you know Conservatives and Christians are hated in the western media, right? Like, REALLY HATED. Yeah... I'd just like to point that out a bit.
If games affect people this much, then we should be expecting a massive influx of individuals who begin to attack pigs with birds.
He probably used "No Russian" to train his mindset to not give a F
@mynameisEvil "Um, you know Conservatives and Christians are hated in the western media, right? Like, REALLY HATED." You know who is actually treated with a lot of hatred and discrimination right now? Muslims, gays, and atheists. And do you know who often lead the charge against these groups? Conservatives and Christians, yet they love to play the victim role of a supposedly oppressed, mistreated majority. Regarding the liberal bias myth, that explains why the supposedly most liberal news station MSNBC keeps canning their highest rated analysts when they are outspoken about progressive causes. Olbermann was ranked #1 on their network when he was sacked. Cenk Uygur was ranked #2 on that network and was just fired. And radio is overwhelmingly conservative. There is very little progressive interests covered in the corporate media (Fox, MSNBC, and CNN). If you want to actually learn about the news media, you should study the journalists of the 60s and 70s. Look at real investigative journalism and see just how far we've fallen. You might also benefit from checking out news stations in other countries like the BBC (far from perfect, but compared to the awful US "news" stations, it is a massive improvement). The US corporate news is horrible and isn't telling you about some crucial issues.
so i guess he was camping and or running around commando with shotguns this gotta be fake
no way that dude can have that good of a K/d he must of hacked the leaderboard... i mean really? a 90/0? thats ridiculous, if it was real he would have stopped at 25 and called in a tactical nuke.
@youngkiller- I can't tell if that was just tasteless humor or if you actually don't realize this guy killed 90 real people.
No sh!t i know the guy killed 90 REAL people, and i didnt need N4G to tell me that. it was a joke. not about how killing people is funny but merely referencing the fact people think it was a video game that made this guy do that, i was saying that if it was a video game he wouldve been doing those things. jeez didnt know everyone had to be a stiff on here
I never understood how playing video games with a controller can make you a better shooter. Shooting an asult rifle with accuracy is hard as hell and handles nothing like a console controller.
thats one hell of a killstreak
i would really love the chance to shoot a real gun, see if i do shoot as good as i do in mw2.
I know. From the prone its quite easy but from kneeling and especially standing it is so hard to be accurate
@The_Claw Thank God he didn't use his nuke. lol. Sorry. Had to be said.
Yeah....there wont be anymore FPS games sold in Norway. They'll be banned.
if so, then I wish I live in Norway
No way, Norway is incredibly liberal. Apparently the guy could only serve 21 years or so under the current legal system. Under the circumstances it'll probably be extended though. And anyway, mainstream news aren't focusing on the fact he played video games since it is really not important. His political views are far more dangerous than a quick game of CoD.
kills 90? he probably got lucky with care package and got dogs or chopper gunner.
its hard to make a case for games not desensitizing players towards violence when you read comments like this. congrats. you're a poster child.
It's not games that desensitise us it's every day life. There's so much bad stuff going on in the world who cares if someone is light hearted about it.
What an idiotic comment. Trying to make a joke on the expense of 90 murdered people.
Fuck off, you wanker. You're not funny. It's easy to laugh at something like this until you experience it for yourself. No doubt you'd be hiding in a bush with shit running down your leg crying for you ma. Ballbag. That doesn't just go for you. That goes for every other dickhead on this site trying to make a joke about it.
Yeah serious guys this type of kidding around is not cool at all. These aren't digital characters, these are 90 real life human beings who died and and had families, lets try to show a little respect.
@The Killer yeah man, am being curse like hell witha simple comment from gaming site,some people act clean and wanna play hero ..those people are killed by their country man,a native Norway guy..in the other hand poor innocent muslim people are being bomb everyday by people from "other country" just to get their hands on oil field..and i can tell most people back home make fun of it.. they even make fun of it at late night show..
@the killer, There's a massive difference between turning a gun on almost a hundred innocent youths and having the inevitable innocent deaths as a by-product of war. I hope you can see this difference.
@Fez, the massive difference is that around 2 million iraqi women and children and men died and many more suffered and tortured while in Norway only 90 people died! 90 vs 2,000,000!! thats the huge difference! and in afghanistan the deaths in 10's of thousands and the sad thing is that the airforce is deliberately targeting civilian targets and even kill women and children who took refuge in caves! u all pretend the white blood is precious while the muslim blood is cheaper than water! and if war justifies killing civilians then who justifies the starting of war in the first place? and dont give me 9/11 excuse!
You're gonna have to give some very good evidence for the assertion that innocent civilians are being specifically targeted because that is a massive claim... bombings of civilians may have happened, most probably by accident, but I don't think it is the normal tactics used. The occupying forces have no chance of making things better if they don't have the support of the people. Those tactics would not give them that support. Edit: And anyway, what did you expect people to be condemning in an article about the killing of 90 kids? You don't read a headline and think 'That's awful, they should be condemning x,y, or z instead'... I have no idea why you brought this up in the first place?
@Fez, well i just read some weeks or months ago, US or NATO forces raided a cave in afghanistan and killed all the women and children who took refuge in that cave because their homes were being bombed! and u say u dont think the military would use such tactics because they need to capture the hearts of the people? well what if they want to punish civilians a village for their support for Taliban? does that make sense? or kill the civilians and women of the taliban fighters so they hurt them? does it make sense? or make revenge operations after they r attacked by taliban, so the taliban learn a lesson not to attack them or else they will kill their women? there could be so many justifications on why do they target women and children! as for providing the facts, well its all over the internet except western media sources! for example go to presstv.com or aljazeera.net/english or what ever, anything except pro western propaganda media! search in wikileaks, search in human rights or activist reports on the war casualties in the muslim countries etc there r many way how to find the sources or evidence!! however nowadays u cant prove anything anymore! all media lie! so if u want solid evidence u will not find exactly! but in that case, u must also not believe anything from CNN and the likes of it. but trust me, i hear in presstv and other news every day civilian casualties in iraq and afghanistan!! its not news for us anymore! u can send me a private message if u want to talk more! click on my icon/avatar and search for PM in the top right corner.
he also played Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age 2. big effing deal. i bet he watched violent movies and read violent books too. i hate the media so damn much
The shit storm that is going to result from this is going to be the stuff of legends. If we thought that the combination of the Doom/Columbine shooting was bad...look at this now. What a deranged lunatic.
well it's true! he did use as training so what can you say?
It is true? You know him? You saw him do this with your own eyes?
And lets not forget he created a facebook account just days before he supposedly did this. And it took the cops over 90 minutes to respond to the shooting. AND no one knows this guy. Also just like in the London bombings the police were doing bomb response exercises a couple days beforehand. All of this on the heels of our own CIA releasing a video saying the newest threat is not muslim but "right wing" white people literally just two days before. Pushing an agenda much?
If people keep approving shit like this someone will start to listen and it wont be long untill games will be governed but idiots who no nothing about them and we will all be playing viva pinata
This just proves how stupid he was, as MW2 couldn't be further from a simulator.
TO EVERYONE GETTING MAD The media is not saying this HE said this himself in his manifesto, they are simply reporting what he said himself, so why the mad?
Yes, everyone knows he said this, but people are pissed because of the reaction the media will inevitably have. It enrages me that 1 deranged individual could potentially send the fps genre back to the stone-age.
Fox news is the number one media news channel that hates violent video games. They really going to talk about this, once they know about it.
Good thing this guy didn't train on the ArmA series
@ AKS Nicely said , you got it spot on..So this terrorist is a christain...but if it was a muslim headline " ISLAM KILLS 90 + PEOPLE "
we as a gaming community get the blame oh a kid drove his parents car blame gta now this. Where were those parents who let them take the key? why don't people ask those questions? I played MW2 along with millions yet none of us went on a rampage to kill innocent people why? because maybe we just play games for well games and not take them to heart general media can blame us all they want bottom line is there are some sick minded people in this world. ....................... I drive a cab in new orleans my friend was shot 8 times and killed because the guy didn't want to pay the fare he didn't even rob him he just shot him and ran away when caught the next day he said he never intended to pay he knew he was gonna shoot him the moment he got in 24 years old black kid who was let out on a bail for 1st degree murder before he killed my friend and he had other drug charges now can we blame games for that too? my friend has a 16 years old daughter what was her fault in all of this? when NFL and NBA players are fighting over millions they need to under how little a average joe makes and how much he has to put up with end of the day blame games all you want parents should never buy their kids any adult video games i have seen parents buy COD for their 10 years old kid because the dad wants it more than the kid.
HERES HOW VIDEO GAMES TEACH PEOPLE TO SHOOT step 1) Hold left bumper step 2) Hold or tap right bumper That really teaches you how to shoot a gun!!!
BAN MW3!!! BAN MW3!! Lets see what happens if some one complains enough. Call all the soccer moms and tell them how MW3 will make their child a looney! lol, this will be an interesting case for college studies. Could this negative publicity affect the gaming sales of COD, or will it make it stronger? If people believe this story, will they still like/support/buy COD or will they actually dismiss it? Find out on the next episode of DRAGON BALL.....er..*cough* I mean N FOUR G!!!!!!! *guitar music plays outro*
That's like saying you train to be in the NFL by playing a lot of Madden. Who ever can seriously believe that is fucking retarded.
thats crazy man this guy is messed up he should be hung
This is just nonsense! I am Norwegian and get offended by all this crap. That guy is a christian fundamentalist, and is a part of the group, Knight Templars. That he sometimes played that game is not related at all! Just read hes 1500 site article posted the day before he terrorized my country and this gaming nonsense crap should end.
Where did you get the Christian fundamentalist and Knight Templars info?
Here is what the BBC has on this. Look about halfway down the article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/w...
^^Ok. I see now. I couldn't find that on CNN for some reason. P.S., His youtube video really screams "crazy"...
He's a Templar? Someone shouldve assassinated him then heh...heh.... *ahem*
I didnt see anything in that link that directly confirms he's a Christian or a Knights Templar. It says he's a neo-Nazi.
@examer ´´A picture is emerging, gleaned from official sources and social media, of a right-wing Christian fundamentalist who may have had an issue with Norway's multi-cultural society´´. http://edition.cnn.com/2011... also on youtube (and all over the internet) is a film-or a trailer-made by him called ´´Knights Templar 2083´´.
@bloody Again that really doesnt say much. He use to be part of the FrP but that doesnt make him a Christian fundamentalist. Neither does putting Knights Templar in the title of a vid makes him an actual Templar. There are only 2 organizations I know of today that use that title. One is a degree of Freemasons and the other is a non profit charity organization. I doubt he was affiliated with either.
'I am the Norwegian delegate to the founding meeting in London, England and ordinated as the 8th Justiciar Knight for the PCCTS, Knights Templar Europe. I joined the session after visiting one of the initial facilitators, a Serbian Crusader Commander and war hero, in Monrovia, Liberia. Certain long term tasks are delegated and I am one of two who are asked to create a compendium based on the information I have acquired from the other founders during our sessions. Our primary objective is to develop PCCTS, Knights Templar into becoming the foremost conservative revolutionary movement in Western Europe the next few decades. This in relation to developing a new type of European nationalism referred to as Crusader Nationalism. This new political denomination of nationalism will become the foremost counterweight to National Socialism and other cultural conservative political denominations, on the cultural right wing. Everyone is using code names; mine is Sigurd (the Crusader) while my assigned mentor is referred to as Richard (the Lionhearted). I believe Im the youngest one here.' i do not know if that makes you happy since it is exerpt from his manifesto but it is as good as i could find atm.
it doesn´t explain if it means branch of OSMTH(which i doubt) or part of allegedly freemasonic Temple Knights(thus him being Christian).maybe they (he supposedly attended meetings of EDL,extremely far right organization,distancing themselves from nazism,btw)just tried to start a new branch,more extremist.which could be confirmed by this:In a 1,467-page document that contains chilling details of his preparations for Friday’s attacks, Breivik outlines his UK links, claiming he met eight other extremists from across Europe in London in 2002 to “re-form” the Knights Templar Europe – a group whose purpose was “to seize political and military control of western European countries and implement a cultural conservative political agenda”.
@bloody So then some guys created their own organization and called themselves Knights Templars? Well thats different. Also in his manifesto he describes himself as a "moderately" religious Protestant. So I guess he is a Christian (even if not a fundamentalist). What bugs me though is why a moderate Christian would take such extreme measures.
You didn't see it on CNN.. because not all news agencies report the same info.... something like Knight Templars could be left out for religious reasons... Fox, CNN, MSN.... they all cover the story... but they all present the story to the public in different ways... different views... watch or read the news and learn what is going on... and from there make your stance... but never truthfully follow the judgement that is assumed by the person writing the article...