360 Magazine: The war is already being waged. Let's take a look at the combatants...
Xbox has more graphics. It probably has the most graphics ever. It has more graphics than graphics.
lol. I see some people are taking you seriously already...
I know, annoying isn't it?
Getting Better my friend... at least I can understand you.
Never go full retard.
It's not often something written in a forum makes me laugh buddy :)
Are you OK Dude ?
I can't wait to play a new Halo game and Gears game on MS's next gen console.
we don't want ur Sh!t that comes out every year.. all i want my Persona :( this gen
Next-Gen War?........ grow up
You grow up. There's a war going out there man. you weren't there, man, you weren't there... (stares off for a thousand yards)
My war ended with the Atari ST and Amiga wars of the early 90's, a lot of floppys lost their lives. You can never go back to being the same person after seeing all that carnage, you can drown out the screams with tizer and lucozade but they never leave you. What I read on here is a load of kids flicking each others balls because mummy got them a different system. This is no war.
AHAHha dailynch LOL @ "FLICKING EACH OTHERS BALLS" that was funny.
MS has already won the next gen, by having DX11 as standard.
by the time DX12 will come out
So Microsoft won the next gen by supporting their own proprietary APIs? Really dude? Obviously Microsoft will support their own platforms. What does this have to do with who "wins"? It would be like saying "Sony will win because only they will have Cell technology". It's not a logical comment. There's nothing magical about DX11...it's just an API suite that Microsoft happened to create for themselves.
Really? you're that shortsighted? What, exactly, are sony going to do when all the major developers have years of coding to dx11 on the PC then have to port to whatever they use on the ps4 which is different? All the dx11 games that are being made for PC will run on the nextbox [assuming it's a dx11 box] and will be peachy, with *very little to change*. If you have, for instance OGL4, then there will be many features requiring changes for that. Change will be hard to push when the development of these massive titles are so highly budgeted. Optimal conditions will be the ones that the games were developed to, dx11. Anything else will be a ported afterthough, and we've seen how "well" the cell's done with that this generation haven't we? This means that any exclusive studios left will be wondering why, again, they're selling their product to a chunk of the potential audience and not the whole of the audience when it's so expensive to make the games. The *only* people who'd be cutting edge on the ps4's custom solution will be the only people not getting their money's worth from their productions. Economic dead end; change direction; go multiplat; dx11 as standard, ms box preferred. playstation brand will suffer further erosion. feel free to PM to discuss. :) NB cell was one of the worst business decisions ever made. Fortunately it was balanced by one of their best - bluray included.
@edhe I almost agree with you, but the fact is Sony's exclusives mostly do sell well. No not Halo or COD numbers, but well enough to be making a profit. And not everyone in the gaming industry is all about the massive numbers. Sony's first party devs don't have to worry about the money side of things, they let Sony worry about that.
@Frostypants I think he is referring to how the Wii U only put in a DX10.1 card, which means it is limited to around OpenGL 3.0. And what many people can't grasp is that the higher API's a video card can support (DX11 or OpenGL 4.0) this means they have more features and capabilities which meet the standards that DX11/OGL 4.0 requires...
so? sony has opengl 4 as the standard.
That comeback was as well thought out and strong as a mouldy banana.
@edhe With that one short sentence he provides just as valid an argument as your whole previous essay/post.
wiiU has won by having OpenGl thats comparable to DX11 go check Nintengen its been confirmed and guess what OpenGl graphics is more powerful than DX graphics because its more scalable and its got all the newest graphics features as they come DX only has what it has thats it OpenGl has had Tesselation 4 about 3 years now i know 1st partys from nintendo will make graphics that make 360/720 fans weep
You're seriously saying you think that WiiU will be more powerful than the next Xbox or PS? That's rubbish. The WiiU is roughly the same power as current gen consoles, whereas the industry is already saying that the next Sony/Microsoft machines will be "At least ten times that power." Irrispective of DX11 vs OpenGL. The next Xbox/PS will be have ten times or more the grunt of Wii-U. What you're saying is pure fantasy.
My God, you people need to quit..... THE POWER OF THE WII U WAS NEVER CONFIRMED. You people keep going around saying it's only slightly more powerful than the PS3/360 when NOTHING has been said to indicate such a thing. You're pulling it out of your asses. The exact OPPOSITE has been hinted at, and that's that it'll be much more powerful than the PS3. You just keep saying it's only slightly stronger because that's what you're WISHING would happen.
^ like you said no specs have been released. i dont care if DICE came and said wii U looks way better than ps3/360. until i see it, its a bunch of rubbish free propaganda.
Ever heard of punctuation?
The WiiU doesn't even beat the PS3, so there is no way in hell it can beat the PS4/Next Xbox. The WiiU isn't even in the competition for next gen, it's one generation late. We should have gotten this instead of the Wii back in 2006.
The WiiU is going to fail and fail hard. It doesn't have the casual appeal or the easy-to-market hook (look everybody, motion controls!) that the Wii had, and it will take a generation or two for Nintendo to win back the core gamer audience.
The thing doesn't even have a hard drive. It only has a 8GB flash memory. They plan to offer gamecube games as downloads as well as DLC and expect us to stock it all on 8GB of flash memory? I don't know what's worse, the WiiU in 2011 not coming with an HDD or the xbox 360 in 2005 not being released with wifi.
Woah who said that? The WiiU specs haven't been released and I'm predicting it will be slightly stronger than the PS3.
PEOPLE, EDUCATE YOURSELVES. OpenGL and DX are API's and there are different versions. A video card/GPU must have certain ABILITIES AND FEATURES to be compliant with higher versions of DX and OpenGL. Typically, a video card that supports DX9 (360) WILL ALSO WORK with OpenGL 2.0 (PS3, OpenGl ES 2.0 more specifically). DX10=OpenGL 3.0 DX11=OpenGL 4.0 360 won't do opengl due to SOFTWARE (In other words, 360 is limited to DX9 due to MS's SDK, and the PS3 is limited to OpenGl due to Sony's SDK), same goes for the PS3. Both video cards in the 360/ps3 support both DX9 and Opengl 2.0 The Wii U, STRANGELY, is only getting a DX10.1 card (OpenGL 3.0). And yes, that is still better than both PS3 and the 360. So the Wii U could very well be behind the new xbox/PS (DX11/OpenGL 4.0). But it is DEFINITELY ahead of the current systems
Can you please point me to where it states the WiiU will only have a DX10.1 card, confirmed by nintendo?
You won't get a true confirm from nintendo till a non-nda party gets close. On top of this we are looking at a custom r770 which few have that gasp* supports dx11 and OpenGL 4. The big deal is tessalation, computing shaders are not going to used as much yet it seems. Yet ms is hyping a lot now and ati got some plans for them. Keep poking around you'll get it right and then nintendo will spill the beans. Also it funny you guys think a x1900 is close to a hd4890. You guys don't look at specs much do you. The API are not better or worst they are just ways to access features.
Beat me to it, +bubz for educational post some people build such strong arguments on such little base knowledge.
@theEx1Le http://www.tomshardware.com... Here is the article, Nintendo won't be confirming anytime soon, if at all. This confirmation comes from AMD. @scissor_runner The R770 series is a DX10.1/OpenGL 3.0 GPU architecture. Unless you are trying to say it isn't DX11/OGL 3.0, grammar is a little tough to understand, no offense: http://en.wikipedia.org/wik... Also, yes, APIs are ways to access features, but if the card is not DX11 compliant, it means it is MISSING the features to access, that is the point of saying what versions it can support. When people say a "DX11 card" they mean that it is a card with all the features and capabilities that the DX11 standard requires to be compliant as DX11.
Even assuming that were true, I can't see that controller being comfortable for any length of time...
OpenGL is actually lagging behind ATM due to most of the supporters insisting on maintaining exact backwards comparability. While tessellation has been available in OpenGL for years it is worthless for games without hardware acceleration. Hell the Dreamcast had faster tessellation than OpenGL... While OpenGL is more flexible hardware support trumps software and DX has the biggest market share so hardware is optimised for DX features so DX performs better, so OpenGL has to limit themselves to features that have been added to DX or use slow software solutions, just like OpenGL developers moved from the old tessellation solution to the hardware accelerated model that DX11 used. Sony trumps OpenGL with customised APIs tailored to the hardware like they did with the Vita. But MS will use a custom version of DX just like they did with the 360, the API they used for that was actually closer to DX10/11 than 9 and several of the features they first used on 360 ended up in 10 and 11 including tessellation.
Wii U Is 6 Years Late (7 When It Releases)
Graphics. PS3/Wii U/Xbox NextBox LOLSTFU Xbots. NextGenThisGenThatGenWhichGenI sBestGen? PeeSee PSP can't you see that my opinion is superior? Back on topic though, you're wrong matey. Even if I could take a person with zero grasp of the importance of punctuation or grammar seriously, what you're saying is laughably ill-informed. Please don't post anything, anywhere, ever again.
Removed comment, I misread your comment. MY BAD! :D
This article had almost nothing to do with its title. The article was about game engines, but it really didn't say anything. It's almost like the author started writing before he understood what he wanted to say.
you are not suppose to read the article! you are suppose to make assumptions on the headline! like the rest of us on N4G! your making us look bad!!!!!
I wonder if the next gen will actually have another console war like this gen had? Its safe to say that the console war from this gen has ended a while ago. Yes you will get a few stray fanboys spewing metacritic scores and sales numbers but its no where near as bad as it was in the earlier years of this gen where almost every comment section of every gaming website or gaming related youtube video was an ongoing fanboy battle. There is barely anyone still making PS3 vs 360 videos and uploading them to youtube, nor any "discussions" on forums about the superiority of one of the consoles. I wonder if it is because people just realized how retarted and pathetic they looked like to everyone else or becasue they just got bored? Either way the console war is arguably over. In the recent years it seems to have been replaced by a console vs. gaming PC war. so It makes me wonder.... after all the crap that went down this gen.... will we see another war?
somebody is jealous of the playstation
I wish I was a Playstation :(
I hope it's not Crytek's engine, it runs like shit and must be hard to program for seeing how Crytek couldn't get its flagship tittle, Crysis 2 to run properly on consoles - PS3 was sub HD and 360 has that disgusting grain bug and lines across the screen. Gears 2 and Uncharted 2 have better graphics engines. Even rockstar engines are more impressive.
It's obvious the truth resides in the moronity opinion. and 25% is a significant percentage of consumers.
"The Next-Gen War Has Already Started" yeah....on pc. devs are deep in battle one uping eachother on pc, on console, everything looks the same since 2007-2008 720p, jaggies, pop-in, screen tear, low res textures, sure there are a few standoout titles that look good for 6-7 year old tech, crysis 2 xbox/ps3, uncharted 2, god of war 3, castlevania and...... and......??????? not much else cannot wait for new consoles, i have had my 360 (actually it's my fourth one) since 2005, 2005!!!!!! ps3 (second one, 60 gb fat dies about 1.5 years ago) I have had since 2006 they are dust collectors now, just like the wii, maybe take the ps3 out for demons souls once in a while, bought a way better quality bluray and now the ps3 just sits there. @gypsy are you high?? rockstar games, lol, your joking right?? Crysis 1 on low settings in 1024x600 looks better than ANYTHING rockstar has ever done!! and uncharted 2 and gears 2 looked great 3 years ago, they look ancient to me now! that uncharted 3 beta looks 5 years old!
There's ALWAYS a PC gamer talking about "Our graphics look better." No shit. You get new graphics cards ever year or so, if not more frequently. You can update parts whenever you want. A CONSOLE IS A CLOSED SYSTEM. I, honestly, take more enjoyment out of watching developers continue to pull new performance out of 6 year-old hardware than just looking at the graphics. Oh, before I forget: yet again, another PC gamer talking graphics, graphics, and graphics. Doesn't matter how good Gears or Uncharted looked to you: you can't play either without their respective system. So, seriously, shut up.
Another PC Elitist and not a gamer. I have a 2k $$$ i7-950 PC and a PS3. For all the super duper PC graphics, guess what games I play on my PC - CS 1.6, TF2 and Starcraft 2, thats it. Guess how many games I have for my ps3 - about 25.
you kinda wasted your money then, because a $400 pc would run those games I have a i7 2600k, sli 570's and 8gb ddr3 and a ps3, 360, ds, iphone, wii know what i play....? The witcher 2, empire total war, shogun total war, starcraft 2, bfbc2, metro2033, resident evil 5 and 4 with mods, rift, baldurs gate 2, stalker c.o.p, gta iv with those bad ass mods, devil may cry 4, blood bowl, civ 5...ect....ect and guess what, thats just stuff i am playing currently know what i play on my ps3???? blurays xbox360...lol....nothing till gears 3 iphone, when pooping ds...nothing wii...lol...i dont even know where it is... know how many game i own for my ps3/360....like 4...they were used and super cheap...i rent console games dude,... no mods, lame ass peer to peer multiplayer...no replay value consoles were cool like 3 years ago
Perhaps I have, but I wanted a „future-proof” PC, atleast for the near future and I didn’t skimp money on the „non-essential” components i.e. PSU and mobo. Besides, I don’t live in US, here you pay double the prices of US with half the sallary.
Yes, I know Witcher 2 looks/is superb, no denying that, but I haven’t played it, because I still haven’t managed to beat the 1st one. Not saying the 1st one is bad, just somehow haven’t hooked me yet.
But the point is, I play games and not systems, and I don’t care for graphics. Graphics are just a bonus, nothing more, nothing less.
First thing I did,when I got my PC, I installed Crysis – went WOW!, about 20 min. later – Quit game.
You all can brag about PC graphics this and that, but if the gameplay sucks then I don’t care. Thats why I’m thinking of getting Battlefield 3 on my PC, due to the fact that multiplayer will be gimped on consoles, even if my friends are gonna play it on PS3. I’m sorry, but I can’t justify PC as the ultimate gaming experience, just because the grafix ar awesumz. Even if the game is multi, I will choose the ease of a controller, my friends, trophies and almost hassle free playing over graphics anyday of the week.
And if you only have 4 games between a ps3 and a 360, then you are missing on a lot of great games.
Hah, funny, guess what I do with my PC most of the time, besides browsing the web, I watch full hd movies/animes, just because I don’t have to worry about file formats not working with my PS3.
Sorry Wii-U already won haters.
What does everyone keep "wínning" round here anyway? Why has the WiiU been winning "haters"? WHY and WTF?
How does uncharted 3 look 5years old.
Metrodx11 looks good, but not that good. A corridor shooter.
Crysis 1 looks good, but it's just trees man, and when it came out, people struggled with it.
Point is, alot of games that people play on consoles are not on the PC.
And seriously dx10 wii u. ROFL. Hardly worth talking about.
As for graphics yam.
Crysis is just pushing tree's man all day long. RDR was made with consoles in mind, as was GTA'S.
There's alot more going on in GTA then crysis.
The Xbox and PS4 are going to lose to ColecovisionX the next best console.........eh the WII U will be like last gen by 2014
i will quote the comment on the article page: "It is precisely these engine designers who are the loudest voices calling for the so-called “next-gen”, machines, which we do not need. There is a lot of wishful thinking going on about the “next-gen” and their supposed power, which is being stoked up by vested interests such as those mentioned, aided and abetted by many journalists, who just want something to get readers excited. In a world where most gamers do not know, or do not care, that the majority of titles that they are playing run at 720p, rather than 1080p, how much traction are graphics, which are only somewhat prettier, really going to have with them? Are they going to change the machine they play on or fork out hundreds of dollars for slightly better textures, shaders or more anti-aliasing? If they really cared that much about graphics, they would all be playing on P.C.s. The game engine designers have got themselves trapped on a treadmill and are trying to hype up the importance of small steps forward in order to try and drag the rest of us into their obsessive, graphics-geek world." i think it sums up what is happening very well...
Thank you for putting my thoughts into words cause that does sums up what THQ.Ubisoft, Dice, and Epic are trying to do and I gotta say if anyone like sony or microsoft listens to them then the Xbox and Playstation would me their end due to Stupid developers
If you believe in a "console war" then you already lost. Go back and make some YouTube videos about "how your system is better" This 360 site is not helping to let this whole console war thing go. Lets just play games
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