With so few AAA new IPs announced for this year and next from the Microsoft camp, is the company now relying on Kinect and third parties to deliver new experiences for Xbox gamers?
I would say so. Don't know why either. It's clear Sony shows desire for new ip's, and new ip support. Yet with Microsoft there's a very heavy hesitation shown. It's almost as if there going the safe route, and less of the risky/taking chances/trying new and unnattempted things/ route. Sort of sad.
Not afraid, just unable. It is clear that Microsoft is interested in Kinect(but even that isn't doing so well after the initial big sales) so who cares about the fanbase that got us here? They're taking teams like Rare and Lionhead and putting them on Kinect. Heck, they're putting Crytek on Kinect. Problem is, the vocal minority (a.k.a forum dwellers) are doing nothing but singing Microsoft's praises while instead the fanbase should be standing up and expressing their discontent with Microsoft's future direction.
I don't think they're unable to. I think at this point in the generation, they're just coasting. Developing a new IP is costly and a gamble. It's clear they're depending heavily on established franchises like Gears of War, Halo, Forza and Fable. Microsoft seems to be playing it safe.
Microsoft has some good IPz (Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable, Crackdown, Alan Wake) and don't be surprised if they help Xbox 720 win the next console war!
I don't like the fact that they are taking less risk, but you have to look at the bigger picture! They came into the gaming industry pissing away money. They opened a bunch of studios to make new ip's, which most of them went nowhere! The hardware issues cost them a lot. Basically, they realized they jumped in too fast and needed to slow down. Now their leadership is becoming a real problem because it seems like their main direction is to make motion control games and add entertainment features. It's true that multiplat games do better than 80% of the exclusives on any console. So their logic in that area is sound. But the fact that they believe that they can keep relying on the same few games is just crazy! They can't keep riding Halo like it's a Mario franchise! The time is now for them to buy something! Buy Crytek, they have the old Free Radical team which made all the old Rare games fun! Buy Epic games, Cliff B has to have more creative talent tham the majority of the MS staff and could probably bring some stuff back to life! Hell, they could even bring Ninja Theory back on board and let them do Kameo or something... they would be far better than Rare at this point!
point it would be dumb to start new IPs! This gen is over why would you release a new ip on a system thats on it way out? Save that trilogy for the next gen! Kinect games cost 10 million or so AAA hardcore cost 20 million or more. Kinect and current series enough to hold them til the end of this gen
You're stupid if you say it's a waste for new IP's now. The best time for a new IP is at the beginning and near the end of a consoles life cycle. Making a new IP at the beginning means that early adopters don't have much choice when it comes to buying games, so if you make the go to game for the consoles launch then you game has a great chance of retaining a dedicated fan base, and a pretty good amount of sales. Making a new IP at the end means you have a greater audience to sell to, and as long as a new console isn't on the horizon (as in a couple of months away) then your IP should be just fine. And if your IP is great then you have a dedicated fan base looking forward to your next game on the next console, and the next release is usually a show piece for what the console can do.
I'm sure they are working on it secretly just give them more time. Takes time to make something good.I'm sure the next coming up gaming event they are going to show something.
Dedicatedtogamers "It is clear that Microsoft is interested in Kinect(but even that isn't doing so well after the initial big sales)" Isnt doing to well after the initial sales???? Your kidding right. Have you seen last months NPD figures. 507000 360s sold in 1 month doubling Wii and PS3 sales.
@Easily The best That number was proven to include all the "FREE" Xbox 360's given away with the Dell laptop promotion (buy a $600 laptop get a free 4GB 360). Kinect hardware has sold well. Software not so much. I'm sure he was talking about the software.
What are you talking about, Call of Duty Annihilation is exclusive.
It's all about the money and building the M$ empire. Sony has invested a great deal of money on games but it's basically been a bust in the eye's of the bean counters. When Greenburg ( what happen to him??? ) comes out and says Halo 3 sold more than all Sony exclusives COMBINED, he's echoing what is being said in the M$ meetings. Why should they dump millions on exclusives and assume all the risk when third party is out selling all the exclusives on PS3. M$ has said they want to be like Nintendo, NOT Sony...that is what they are doing with Kinect. If Sony were to start out selling M$ by 2-3 million annually, you would see a change...it's not happening. If Resistance or KZ or Uncharted out sold Halo, you would see a change...it's not happening and doesn't look like it will either. Look at how much money M$ spent on Kinect chasing Nintendo...hundreds of millions. Look at Turn ten chasing GT...Forza 4 has millions and millions invested BECAUSE they are chasing GT and need the extra money and R&D...have you seen Forza 4??? M$ is a publicly traded company like most and BY LAW, they have to turn a profit and that is why these guys never sleep. Make it about the money and M$ will drop billions in a heart beat. Skype turned down Windows 7...lol...big Stevey B took that personal and now it's on.
Boom And for you fanboys out there: It is no different than Sony following the money. Give me a break. The difference is simply strategy. Sony relies and promotes about their exclusives vs MS focuses more on third party support which by the way Sony last 2 gens had BOTH third party and exclusive advantage for those systems. MS isn't afraid of anything and this article sounds so childish asking that question about a multi-billion dollar company. MS recognized what Sony didn't this go around. They took advantage of what Live offers and consumers seem to have made the choice as to what they prefer. The third party games simply do better than exclusives period. Infamous 2 just did okay for June NPD. It didn't push console sales. MS has been increasing and the top seller for the last 12 months straight. Even after the Wii price drop and they have YET to drop the price of the 360 AND they proved that Kinect is not the 32X everyone claimed it was going to be simply due to history. It is a different world folks. 6 years and still going strong. I say that is a win win for all the consoles that are still around. People have so many options and simply benefit. Some of you fanboys just need to get off exclusives d*ck.
It's obvious by now Microsoft is much better at advertisement than Sony. Look at all the games an Exclusive 360 player has missed out on. The only people who ever made Sales an issue were 360 fanboys and we all know it... Let's use logic. 360 fanboys created this "war" and they've set the rules the whole time. Now all of a sudden exclusives don't matter wow!!
Well of course 360 exclusives sell more. There are less of them to choose from. Sony has more exclusives meaning consumer's money is spread out more.
They need new IP's. But yet when I mention this, I either get disagrees or bubbles taken away. People don't like the truth, it seems. And inside_out, your argument is delusional. Exclusive games is what keeps a console alive. When those games dry up, the system dies. Microsoft needs to focus more on their gamers rather than a money trail, afterall, people are buying their system. When will any of you get it? Back in 2007, it was about graphics and games. Now all of a sudden, it's about sales and a Microsoft empire. What-a-joke. EDIT: Hey, GENIUS. Sony may care about profit, just like any other company but at least they place gamers first because they want the money FROM THE GAMERS. What has Microsoft been doing? Catering to soccer moms and people who only care about shooters?! They have no new IP's. They need NEW IP'S. You know how long I wanted for a KIller Instinct 3 and YET they won't allow Rare to create a new one or at least reboot one of their old franchises? It's ridiculous. This article has a very good point, despite the source. People are starting to question the direction Microsoft is heading. Maybe you should too. Stop making excuses for Microsoft already. It's not working anymore.
sorry redhemi. I disagree. Seems like the excuse of 'microsoft is doing fine' has blinded some. Not all but some. People are caring way too much for sony ms and nintendo when they get jack sh!t for their misplaced compassion. We are in this for games and more importantly our pleasures. Im just a bunch of zero's and 1's to sony....They dont care about my life but they do cater for my interests than more MS or Nintendo do. MS and their fans keep telling us how profitable the 360 and live is and how sony are struggling yet that same struggling company still produces games, keeps studios running and produces new hardware. All i want is games and support. Their position is irrelevant to me because I gain nothing for any of them being in 1st 2nd or 3rd and proof of this is where most of the goty's have been..thats right the 'last place' console. It used to be said that the more consoles sold the better the dev support. So where are all ms's 3rd party exclusives. We're in july; No non-kinect retail exclusive released this year. IF they earn so much surely they could maintain and fund a couple more studios so that the spread isnt so heavily balanced in kinects favor (kinect sports 2 instead of killer instinct by rare for example). It is always about profit but thats NOT my primary concern now is it. I play with a pad NOT a calculator. I'm also bemused as to why people now think MS's next console will fly out of the traps with exclusives when we can see how hard its getting towards the end of this gen for 3rd party ones to be viable. Dev costs will probably be higher and without the foundations Nintendo and sony have its likely to be a similar situation to the one we're currently facing and thats them relying on multiplats and xbl titles. Studios dont just get purchased then produce; they need time and support so you build from the gen before like sony and nintendo did. MS are not building but that doesn't mean they're not a success but it does hurt SOME of those who got them where they are now. I'm not a casual type so I'm not speaking for their type. I'm speaking for the guys who used to love, demand and laud exclusives because they were extra games that usually pushed the devs and hardware harder than the middleware multiplats that separated one console from the next. I'm sure MS could take a few more risks but it seems many n4g members are ready with excuses why they shouldn't and that's sad if you really think about it. We shouldn't make excuses for any of em.
Kinect was way more of a "risky/taking chances/trying new and unnattempted things/ route" for MS. They invested heavily into Kinect in the hope of it extending the life of the 360 and from current sales numbers it has worked.
For me personally when both Sony, and Microsoft release their next respective systems I will not be buying Microsoft. The reason why is they have very little exclusives that im interested in (gears, alan wake, and splinter cell). I buy these systems for the games that define them, but when you running the same games (exclusives) that im not interested in there's no point in me purchasing said system. There refusal to take risks, ride the same damn games over and over, and trying to shove casual crap down my throat has completely turned me off about this company. To me instead of trying to push the industry forward it feels like they want to stay stagnant, or set it back all for the sake of money.
when it comes to games, I think Microsoft is sharing similar philosophies with Activision
Now thats tapping in to the ex-Wii market. Aside from that, I think MS only puts money in to things it thinks it will made loads of cash from. Some first party devs do produce poop. Ergo, they only have a few first party devs producing games...
This is the first Msxbox-world article in a long time that actually makes sense. Hence why I posted it. I've ignored all their other crap for a while now. On topic: It's risky business but Sony are like the leaders in taking risks, and the rough with the smooth with new IPs. Fair play the them I say. PS3 gamers can only win, Xbox gamers can simply weep or buy Kinect.
They started the the gen so well, willing to take risks like Kameo (which i liked and was the first game i bought). Now, its like a cheap PC with some exclusive live games
Sad part is they told Rare to cancel a Kameo sequel....and a perfect Dark one, I'm pretty sure a Conker sequel titled Conkers other Bad Fur Day
It's not that Microsoft is scared it's because they have a reputation to having the best titles that tend to overwhelm other games Microsoft need to have good balance unlike Sony where you can make a you can make decent game and deliver because you don't have to worry about PS3 exclusives stealing the spotlight like say a Gears or Halo because there isn't anything on PS3 that is raising the bar so Microsoft knows that a new exclusive has to be the best of the best because it's harder to be succesfull in the Xbox 360 where the big dogs are at where as the ps3 you don't have to worry about being overshadowed by their lame exclusives
Now that has got to be one of the most pathetic comments I've read in a long time.
Absolutely pathetic. Grow up. You clearly are an idiot.
Yeah that's a disagree and a bubble popped.
Probably one of his alternate accounts, to further bolster his trollish ways. Hey Jijoro, this is for you. I don't usually post this because it's trite to do so these days, but you really deserve this one, pal:
On another article, someone commented (and I quote): "uc3 is much better than gays of war 3" They got 14 Agrees and 11 Disagrees. What do you think of that?
"isn't anything on PS3 that is raising the bar" Meh another blind fanboy, God knows why they hold so much praise for M$. This is the reason why they can coast on few titles with little to offer, people like this....
Wow, damage control and a really bad attempt too. :o Are you guys this crazy to not demand exclusives from Microsoft? Exclusives where you can play five times because they're that damn good?
why do I have 1 bubble and you 2?
Jijoro is it?you either a ms employee or the biggest ms fanboy ever,to come out of your mouth and say such a stupid comment like that...GROW UP!!!
I think its more to do with the upkeep of the studios that produce and develop these games. Its probably cheaper to buy exclusivity and timed exclusivity and to market them than to fund 'aaa' games. The article mentions alan wake but why would ms expect a game like this to sell halo numbers. If this is the reasons MS dont try anymore then that sucks for all of us and i do mean that. I've still got my alan wake and was pleased to buy it new but games like that with no multiplayer tend to get sold off and picked up by 2nd hand buyers. Though many people hated on it, it was games like that that kept my 360 relevant because all my multiplatform games were purchased for my ps. @ Jijoro you didnt have to start crap and some of those 'lamer' exclusives you speak of were goty's Seems you're circular reasoning has already given MS excuses to move how they're moving. We shouldnt have to make excuses for sony nintendo or microsoft...They pay us jack sh!t so pay us with more of what we want. Games.
I really am getting weary of the lack of new IP's, I mean come on MS, get some new ideas going!
Not really, MS invest alot into all areas, e.g. disc based, downloadable and motion controller + services. As for investments in to AAA IP's - MS opened a new studio (Zipline - I think) to work on a new AAA FPS IP , Lionhead have a second project , EA have a secret project for E3 2012, Yu Suzuki is making an exclusive beat-em-up, Class 3 , Ryse, Rise of Nightmares, Draco, Diabolical Pitch,+ Akai Katana. Then there's regular stuff like Gears 3, Forza 4, Alan Wake 2 and Night Springs, Project Gotham 5, Halo Anniversary, GoW Exile, Steel Battalion, Haunt, Fable: Journey, oh and Halo 4. And then there's other stuff like Ms splosion man, Vampire smile , Trouble Witches, Deathsmiles 2 , ilo Milo, Bullet Soul, Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet, Bastion , Fez , Fire Pro, Trenched, Nin 2 Jump, Gunstringer,Hybrid, Kinect Sports 2, Dance central, Skulls of the Shogun, Once upon a Monster, another exclusive South Park game + a lot of great indie games as well, and Shadow Complex 2 is gonna happen!!! + Sega have more Kinect exclusives - (one of which is rumoured to be a Nights game, + Crytek are apparently making Timesplitters 4 as an exclusive.) And then there's Witcher 2, Secret World, and Minecraft as 'console' exclusives. This isn't a complete list - it's just stuff I like and am interested in. + I'm not bashing anyone's console, I'm just saying X360 does have exclusives, and if you add them to the total amount of great multi-plats on the way, there's more then enough games to keep people happy. Yes, there are Kinect games on the list, some of which will have controller support, but a good game is a good game regardless.
Most of those other games are third party developed titles and the AAA MS ones are just words at the moment. Hopefully something more solid is announced regarding them at Gamescom'11.
I think MS strategy is pay the developers for exclusives or exclusive contents (it can be permanent or timed). The strategy has worked so far in the NA market. So I don't see them changing gears now. They could also be saving some for the 720. Who knows.
True , although that seems to be the way MS operate. It probably works out cheaper then owning your own studio, but then again it doesn't guarantee future exclusivity. That said, I'm pretty happy with what MS have achieved this gen.
Nah, they're probably just satisfied that at this point in the console cycle they've put out enough of them, hence mostly sequels in 2011 - both on 360 and PS3, it's worth noting.
I don't know if MS is afraid. They just don't need new AAA exclusive IP right now. Look at the sales (US especially), they are doing well. This is mainly off the back of Halo, Gears and Fable, and the launch of Kinect. Why would they spend money investing in new IP when their existing IP is selling by the bucket load, and a lack of new AAA IP is not hurting hardware sales. I don't agree with this as a strategy, and I think Xbox is already feeling quite a stale brand even though they are only one and half generations old in the industry.
Exactly why leave your "bread and butter" when it still works. Milk it till the consumers gets tired of it. For the hardcore this may sound really annoying but for the casual... well... they don't seem to mind.
They are not afraid, they just know they don't need to invest in new IP's (apart from Kinect ones) The die hard fans will buy whatever little is dished out, more profit gained quicker... M$ needs to man up and provide it's core market with more variety to sink their teeth into.
Yes. The last time they did this, we got Kinect. Microsoft has never been the company to innovate games.
I just realized the article is saying that Alan Wake sold poorly but it actually sold 1M copies... so how can that be poor? o.O
It's not Gears of Wars sales. It's sad that a game's considered a failure if it doesn't get 9/10 scores or sells more than 2 million.
correction, if it doesn't sell more than 6mil. Some xbox trolls consider the Resistance, Killzone, LBP franchise (to name a few)failures because they are shy of breaking 6mil.
Because back in the day when development costs were so much lower and gamers expectations lower, or the market less cramped, 1M sales was good enough and worth bragging about. Yet in today's market, 1M is simply not enough to be deemed a success. With the amount of money MS poured into Alan Wake's development (how many years was it being developed) and its marketing 1M just wasn't enough and the game failed. Did you see how fast it dropped in price at retail not long after release?
MS considers any exclusive that doesn't do Halo or Gears sales numbers a fail. They used to have the most and best exclusives during the first half of the gen, now they've given up due to games achieving little to moderate success only (Splinter Cell, Alan Wake) I blame Too Human, that game sucked so bad and cost so much money. Someone should check if Dyak has any off-shore bank accounts!
why dont people count the great xbla exclusives? trenched, splosion man, ms splosion man, shadow complex, toy soldiers, trials hd, Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2, monday night combat, Dead Rising 2: Case Series, the Dishwasher series, the Banjo series, Raskulls, hexic, ilomilo. I know I'm missing some the 360 has plenty of exclusives
because they read the article
I personally think the reason the exclusives Have slowed down lately is because they are saving them for the Nextbox next year.
Bunch of MS trolls defending and praising MS to no end. This article is a 360 fansite calling out MS you trolls. Trolls best defence is MS sales figures and exclusives don't matter.
I WONDER WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF SONY HAD A PRICE CUT AND...sorry for the caps lol.but what would happen if sony passed ms and the sales department?then what would youll be defending?something to think about
Forza, Gears and Halo -series are pretty badass indeed but PS3 has more variety and more IP's to choose from. They're both great, get over it fanboys/bots.
ms needs new ips and so does Nintendo(who has been recycling the same IPs for over 20 years). Microsoft actually has a few (lost odyssey, shadowrun, killer instinct, kameo,crackdown, perfect dark, alan wake, project gotham racing and banjo kazooie) but for some reason they are only in halo and gears when those other Ips I mentioned are already established. lets just hope ryse isn't kinect only
Well MS was consistent last year, at the beginning of the summer of 2010 Alan Wake, Splinter Cell (Spring), during the summer Crackdown2 the last quarter of the year Halo Reach and Fable got released so last year was a good line up its just after Fable got released MS hasn't pumped out anything else going into this year, its dry. MS aslo doesn't have that many studios so that alone hinders MS attempts at announcing a healthy line up of games is not very likely. I just hope right now MS is investing in opening up new studios for the new console. (Hope)
New IPs? At this point, I think 360 gamers would be happy with sequels. Why hasn't MS dug up any older franchises like other companies? They don't have too. Monthly NPD sales figures show that the people buying their consoles don't care about games built specifically for that platform. As long as there's a CoD/Madden/Halo or Gears every year, they don't need great games like Alan Wake and that is sad. You can't blame MS for sticking with what works. Blame the diehards and ignorant masses for rewarding MS's minimalistic approach to gaming with 500k units sold every month and millions of Live subs collected annually... It's too bad this didn't work for the Dreamcast..At least that system did die on me.
In this economy it's better to play it safe as a company. You know your mainstays like Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable are all going to sell millions and millions of copies. You also know that games like Call Of Duty are going to get you tons of money without any risk whatsoever. June saw the Xbox 360 sell 500,000 units, clearly the only people worried about new ips or "exclusives" are fanboys of other consoles. We saw what happened with Alan Wake, probably one of the top games of 2010 and hardly anyone bought it. I mean yes it picked up some steam late and won a ton of awards but having something in development for 5 years and then to only have it sell over a million copies isn't exactly going to inspire me to go out on a limb again.
Thing is, with new iP's their extremely risky and expensive.
I think they're just busy blowing money on things that screw their playerbase over. 1. Timed exclusives - What a stupid idea. The game is coming to your platform anyway, why shell out money just to make sure that people on other platforms can't experience it for a few months? 2. Kinect - Lamest, most overpriced and limited peripheral of all-time as far as I'm aware. 3. Lots and LOTS of Marketing - Sure, it works, but those millions and millions of dollars that Microsoft spends (which is way beyond what Sony does) could be spent on GOOD GAME like LittleBigPlanet. Sony rocks at making sure funds go toward satisfying customers, not using dirty tactics.
Well said and bubbles up.
"Sony rocks at making sure funds go toward satisfying customers, not using dirty tactics." From what I've seen, Xbox 360 customers are FAR more satisfied than PS3 customers. One group is actually playing games and enjoying their console while the other group fills the comments sections with bitter and hateful comments, grasping on to any tiny little thing to put down Microsoft and/or the Xbox 360.
@ jleack 1. Timed exclusives. If MS can sway a multi-console owner into purchasing the game on the 360, then that will create a larger community thus swaying other players to also purchase the game on that system. Not to mention, it shows strength on that console and will help entice other developers to either have the game exclusive on the 360 or prevent it from being exclusive on other systems. It then also causes more consumers to buy XBL subscriptions to play the game online with. There are many reasons as to why MS getting either exclusive content or timed exclusive that benefit MS and gamers. 2. Kinect being "lamest" is YOUR opinion which is all said and good, but it is NOT fact. Kinect has sparked sales for the 360 which means there is a demand for Kinect. Over 10 million units sold is no laughing matter. Your "awareness" lacks in proper research and comprehension as to WHY MS created and launched Kinect. Your comments about Kinect seem ignorant and are in line with the typical fanboyish comments made by those in which we dare not speak of that plague this site. 3. Marketing. You said it yourself..."Sure, it works". So then where is the issue? You just admitted it works. Marketing creates product awareness and helps sell your product to customers. Every corporation has a marketing budget. They determine how much money the are going to put into marketing a product or service in expectations how much net profit the product or service will generate back into the company. MS have several exclusive IP's that have generated more sales than LBP. Why would they give up those sales for an IP that would generate less sales? Sales are an indicator of demand for that product. If there are more sales for Game A than Game B while both games are priced the same, then the consumers have voted with their wallets which game they prefer, thus, to them, which game is better. It's funny how it's ok for Sony to buy up developers so that they can't create multiplat games but it's not ok for MS to purchase times exclusives or pay for exclusives. Typical Sony fanboy hypocrisy mentality. Nothing outta the norm on this site. LOL and then gets a "well said and bubbles up" comment. So sad.
Sony has a higher invested interest in new IP's. Unlike Microsoft, Sony, can more easily create movies based on movie franchises which can help spur on aditional profits.
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